10D and Infra red?

[CyberDyneSystems]

I had heard three things;

1) Some digital cameras won't work woth an Infra red filter.

2) The 10D won't work with an Infra red filter.

3) If you take a picture of you remote control and you can see light from it,. then you CAN use your camera for Infra red shots.


I can clearly see the light from my remote in the pictures I took with my 10D.

So ,. can it "DO" infra red?

What filter should I use.

[Christel]

I´ve done a lot of infrared shooting with my trusty old PowerShot Pro70. Since then I´ve had two other digicams, but still used the Pro70 for IR.
When I bought the 10D recently and paid 150$ for a 092 filter I was really looking forward to some great hi-res IR pics.
But no. It won´t work. I´m furious - I mean honestly! What a piece of ...
Anyway I will not give up. Maybe it´s a question of white balance settings?
Would love to hear if others have found a solution to this problem.

My advice to you would be to hold on to your money for a while :)

[Longwatcher]

I still have not recieved a good answer from Canon on IR range of 10D.

The research I have done though is that it has very little if any IR capability.

The Hoya R72 lens which operates in the 720nm range seems to work, however any lens over 830nm (filters light which is under 830nm) appears to not work. This should include the 092. The problem with the Hoya R72 filter is it lets in a small amount of red spectrum as well, so you may not actually be getting IR spectrum light, just the high end of the red.

To confirm IR use you will need a 750nm or gretter filter.

My best guess is the 10D has a range of 350-780nm, so it should work with any filter that lets in light in those ranges. UV ends at 400nm, visible from 400-700, near IR 700 to 1200nm. [note: some sources change visible to IR at 720nm or 750nm]

As to the remote control.
First - I do not see into the IR spectrum (or at least I don't think I do), but most of my remote controls transmit a light that I can see with my own eyes (I only have two that don't). A lot of newer remotes operate in a broader spectrum including a portion which is in the Red. As well, some operate only in the longer wavelengths that are beyond any reasonable visual spectrum digital cameras ability.

If however, you can not see the remote's light, but your camera can, then chances are that it at least can see longer wavelengths then you can, possibly IR.

I am waiting until I have an oportunity to visit a well stocked camera store, so I can try out several different filters and demonstrate for myself. That or hold my breath for Canon to reply :-)

[Christel]

Thank you very much for the reply!

I hope you will let us know if Canon get back to you on this?

I have to admit I´m very disappointed and consider getting rid of the camera, but I guess I should have done my homework before I bought it...

[thomascanty]

One other possibility is available. The Infrared Emulation Photoshop action on Fred Miranda's site. It's only $8.50, and does an amazing job of making any picture look like it was taken with IR.

[Christel]

With all due respect, you can achive exactly the same effect for free by converting to red channel in Photoshop :)

[thomascanty]

Christel wrote:
With all due respect, you can achive exactly the same effect for free by converting to red channel in Photoshop :)

Yes, I'm sure that's the basis of his action, but it does a few other things as well. I haven't really looked at it to see what else is involved. Shouldn't be too difficult to figure out on your own, I suppose.

[slejhamer]

Christel wrote:
With all due respect, you can achive exactly the same effect for free by converting to red channel

"Exactly the same" is a bit of a stretch. :)

This is a much better method, and free too, and very easy to make into a PS action:
http://www.peimag.com/pdf/pei00/pei1200/eveningpei1200.pdf

But if you want false-color IR pics (http://members.cox.net/mschlesinger/places/infrared%20gazebo%20%234_std.jpg) find a used G1, or one of the older Nikon coopix cameras - both work well for IR and can be found cheap.

[P.C. Plod]

Christel

Sorry to disappoint you but you are wrong. The red channel is nothing like an IR simulation.

Fred Miranda's action is closer but still deficient.

The D30 has much better IR sensitivity and gives good results though. One good reason for keeping mine.

[Christel]

[quote]P.C. Plod wrote:
Christel

Sorry to disappoint you but you are wrong. The red channel is nothing like an IR simulation.

Well my point was that Fred Mirandas action isn´t either...

There´s nothing like in-camera IR

[P.C. Plod]

My point too. Looks like we agree on something.

[Christel]

I recieved a confirmation from Canon today - neither the 10D or D60 have infrared capabilities.

Say hello to a new Nikon convert...

[thomascanty]

Christel wrote:
I recieved a confirmation from Canon today - neither the 10D or D60 have infrared capabilities.


Olympus said the same thing about their C-30??Z line of cameras, but hundreds of people, myself included, were able to get satisfactory results anyway.

A few weeks ago I ran across a photo gallery from someone who had a handful of nice infrared shots he claimed to have done with just a 10D and a Hoya 72 filter. I wish I could provide the URL, but I didn't save it.

[Christel]

Yes, the 10D should work with a 72 filter, but that is not what I call infrared, because you get a considerable amount of visible light in the pic.