Canon/Nikon talk from dpreview.com

[Hellashot]

Below is from a post in the Fuji forum of dpreview.com. Now might be a good time to buy stock in Canon? :)


FF CCD bother only who doesn't have it. Nikon can try all the marketing spins they can
BTW you are just the beginning of a new wave of people moving from Nikon to Canon. It is becoming unstoppable. Either Nikon does something urgently or they are in big trouble. The trouble will be masked in revenue for a few years by the growing digital market but in terms of marketshare it is very sad for Nikon. (although they made the trouble themselves)

[MDJAK]

I consider myself lucky to own a ff camera. I love it. Shame on Nikon for not making one.

Wait, on second thought, I'm glad they don't. I'd rather see Canon woop 'em.

[Krapo]

Even if we obviously like Canon a lot here on the forum, I really hope that Nikon will get a grip soon and propose an alternative to the 5D or 1D MkII N for the sake of... Canon customers!
Competition is always good for the consumers, whether it comes from the price war or technology battle.

I don't think that Canon is going to half the price of FF cameras if they are the only one on the market.

So let's light a candle for Nikon :)

[elTwitcho]

I'm not sure I agree with those conclusions the author made but anyway, I would agree with Krapo. Not just for the sake of competition, but I would like to have multiple companies trying to produce the best camera around, because the odds of someone making a truly great camera are increased as a result. I won't even hesitate to buy another company's camera if they're making one better than Canon's at the time of my next purchase. My only concern is getting the best camera and seeing one company rise as the only option for camera purchases gets in the way of that.

I do think Nikon will stick around though, they're not exactly a new company that might come and go overnight...

[Coco-Puffs]

Nikon should use Giorgetto Giugiaro to design their camera again. If that happens...nah, id still stick with Canon :p.

and as everyone is saying "competition creates better products"; business101.

[soupdragon]

Retrospectively, the Nikon D70 killed the 300D and if they bring out a D whatever with 8mp it will probably kill the 350

[primoz]

I agree totaly. I don't really care about Canon vs. Nikon stuff. I'm not emotionaly attached to Canon, so I don't care who "wins" or who is "better". For me it's just work tool and nothing more.
But I do hope Nikon will get a grip and put out competitive products... lot of them! And not just Nikon but also Olympus, Sigma... I don't know... even Sony and Panasonic, more the better. Anyone remember Kodak DCS cameras for $20.000+ ? I sure wish something like this won't happen in future. And only thing to prevent this is to have competition on market.

[CyberDyneSystems]

Retrospectively, the Nikon D70 killed the 300D and if they bring out a D whatever with 8mp it will probably kill the 350

The 300D has outsold every other DSLR in history, including the D70. So I'm not sure what this statement means?


I like Nikon and hope thay are able to continue to compete..
The world NEEDS two top level pro SLR systems,. for many reasons. With Minolta and Pentax floundering,. and Olympus just getting started,. Nikon remains the only toehr choice.

[PhotosGuy]

Olympus just getting started,. Nikon remains the only toehr choice. I've heard of good, choices, & bad choices...

[CyberDyneSystems]

dislexia (dilsexia?) "other" was the intended choice :)

[soupdragon]

The 300D has outsold every other DSLR in history, including the D70. So I'm not sure what this statement means?


I like Nikon and hope thay are able to continue to compete..
The world NEEDS two top level pro SLR systems,. for many reasons. With Minolta and Pentax floundering,. and Olympus just getting started,. Nikon remains the only toehr choice.

Ok, let me re-phrase that.
Here in the UK the 300D enjoyed a fairly long life span in digital years however, the minute the D70 was released it was hailed the greatest thing to ever hit the consumer digital market.
Places like Jessops could not shift a 300D for love nor money, the only reason the 350D knocked it into a cocked hat was the appeal of 8mp over 6.
Had Nikon responded with an 8mp consumer slr it would be a different story today.

[Krapo]

I think that the entry level (350D, D70, Minolta 5D...) is the one where the manufacturers will more likely recruit customers, because it is the one where most of the SLR newcomers will fall into.

If you don't already own equipment, you just care about which camera is the best for your current needs.

The problem is different if you already have several lenses, possibly some expensive ones. Will you consider switching to Nikon just because they have released a 12MP FF camera that could shoot at 5fps, when you already have a bunch of L glasses calling for a new Canon body.
Some pros would, and Nikon is suffering a lot from that at the moment.

But most of us (I am just an amateur) would have to stick to Canon just because switching to another brand would be much too expensive.

So I think that the 'prosumer' market is much more captive than the entry level one.
My guess is that it is even more captive than the pro market, since it can be worth for a pro to switch to another brand if it means to be better in what he does (sport, for instance).

[Sean-Mcr]

I find the canon V Nikon debate ridicules personally. For the life of me why anybody would care about canon beating Nikon is beyond me. Nikon is a fine camera maker with a great history and it is better for us all if Canon, Nikon and other's push each other to their limits. That way we all win;

[UncleDoug]

For the life of me why anybody would care about canon beating Nikon is beyond me.

Everyone seeks to feel good about their decisions in life.
One way to validate ones existence and choices is to proclaim in a like minded group, "look at me and the choice I made. Isn't it a good one?!", and you get a reconfirming answer/boost from the group.
And conversely, if you are chastized by a group for your choice it can be expected that you would defend your position with a bit of zeal and getting up the dander of the chastizors to make you feel good about your choice. Or submit and switch over to the "oppositions" side.

[Sean-Mcr]

Putting your child in the right school, taking the right job or having the guts to leave the wrong one are important issues in life and some support on such matters is important.

I envy anybody that has the time to ponder on such debates, and at the same time, a little baffled by them:)

[JohnnyG]

Putting your child in the right school, taking the right job or having the guts to leave the wrong one are important issues in life and some support on such matters is important.

I envy anybody that has the time to ponder on such debates, and at the same time, a little baffled by them:)

I kind of feel the same way! There are more important issues in life.

Nikon is an excellent camera company and so is Canon. There are also other excellent camera companies and probably always will be.

I think that Nikon will hang around no matter what they announce next!

[soupdragon]

I find the canon V Nikon debate ridicules personally. For the life of me why anybody would care about canon beating Nikon is beyond me. Nikon is a fine camera maker with a great history and it is better for us all if Canon, Nikon and other's push each other to their limits. That way we all win;

I don't think anyone is debating canon vs nikon on a "best camera" basis.
The topic of conversation appears to be one of corporate strategy (to me anyway).

[Sean-Mcr]

I guess i was responding to the "I'd rather see Canon woop 'em" line

That,aside. There's other's that think Nikon are doing the right thing

http://www.luminous-landscape.com/columns/sm-oct-24-04.shtml

[soupdragon]

I guess i was responding to the "I'd rather see Canon woop 'em" line

That,aside. There's other's that think Nikon are doing the right thing

http://www.luminous-landscape.com/columns/sm-oct-24-04.shtml

I must have missed the bit about canon whoop ass.

[Sean-Mcr]

It's all harmless fun to the most part matey (as you know), but some guys on dp review ect really do take it to heart:)

[UncleDoug]

I guess i was responding to the "I'd rather see Canon woop 'em" line

That,aside. There's other's that think Nikon are doing the right thing

http://www.luminous-landscape.com/columns/sm-oct-24-04.shtml

I'm glad you posted this link. Realy gets you thinking about lenses, image coverage at the sensor, how much of the glass area are you realy using, etc...

[Sean-Mcr]

I loved Mike johnstons articles for luminous landscape. Sadly, his final one ended last month

[ACDCROCKS]

I think (actually know) that canon is the best camer you can buy, colour reproduction, ISO Noise, FPS, Better glass etc. I'm one of them Canon newbies, immigrated from Nikon

[UncleDoug]

I think (actually know) that canon is the best camer you can buy, colour reproduction, ISO Noise, FPS, Better glass etc. I'm one of them Canon newbies, immigrated from Nikon

Preaching to the choior.:D

Seriously, how long had you been shooting w/Nikon?

[ACDCROCKS]

Preaching to the choior.:D

Seriously, how long had you been shooting w/Nikon?
3 Years, It casught up.now it's costing me $3,000 in Jan lol.
I have 25,000 shutter releases on the d70, which is 1 Year old. I think Nikon is 50-100,000 Shutter cycles...My boss said this to me "I know you don't want to hear this but, I would recomend you switch over to canon" :),At that very secong, oh crap, whats' my dad going to say... thats how it all began... Before that, I almost purchased a Nikon 70-200MM 2.8 VR... Canon is a totally diffrernt system ( a good thing), though turing which way to zoom is still a physical challenge to me j/k :)... Then more more as I used one for work, the more and I got use to it, ( little too use to it), the Nikon D70 looks like a toy, the 20d looks an SLR, a tool.

[UncleDoug]

ACDCROCKS,

I don't want you to take this the wrong way but let me impart a bit of advice.

When you say that you "actually know" something to be true, watch out.
Especially when it comes to a point of opinion rather than empirical values that can be compared.
That statement will come back to bite you someday.
It did to me many years ago.

You seem like a smart and driven young man.
I'd hate to see your enthusiasm get you into bad situations.

If you want to get ahead in this business, sit back and learn. Soak it up.
Let others make the bold statements, where "they" end up looking like the north end of a south bound moose.
Analyze the statements and ask your self, "Does this actually make sense".
If it does, say so.
If it does not, challenge the living heck out of it!
Take your knowledge and show the world what is up, don't tell them.

Something about actions vs. words........:D

[ACDCROCKS]

ACDCROCKS,

I don't want you to take this the wrong way but let me impart a bit of advice.

When you say that you "actually know" something to be true, watch out.
Especially when it comes to a point of opinion rather than empirical values that can be compared.
That statement will come back to bite you someday.
It did to me many years ago.

You seem like a smart and driven young man.
I'd hate to see your enthusiasm get you into bad situations.

If you want to get ahead in this business, sit back and learn. Soak it up.
Let others make the bold statements, where "they" end up looking like the north end of a south bound moose.
Analyze the statements and ask your self, "Does this actually make sense".
If it does, say so.
If it does not, challenge the living heck out of it!
Take your knowledge and show the world what is up, don't tell them.

Something about actions vs. words........:D

otherwise "pick and choose your battles" andthink about what your going to say, I gotch ya. :)
I was reading Sports SHooter, A guy was shooting a Nikon D2X, he was mad about the ISO Noise output. A few photographers were next to him, using Canon, he was impressed, he went out and bought $13K in canon. The only thing he missed is the low light focusing in Nikon

[Jesper]

Yes, ofcourse Canon is doing great and they are the leader in DSLR land, but the long-rumoured Nikon D200 seems to be getting more and more real. Have a look at the photos here, they don't look as obviously fake as others I've seen earlier: http://nikond200images.blogspot.com/

Let there be a Nikon D200! Let Canon have some serious competition, so they don't get lazy and ask any price they like for their products!

Nikon has pretty much committed itself to the DX format (1.5x crop), even in their high-end DSLRs. I don't think Nikon will produce a full-frame camera anytime soon. That D200 could be serious competition for the 20D, but not for the 5D.

[ACDCROCKS]

Yes, ofcourse Canon is doing great and they are the leader in DSLR land, but the long-rumoured Nikon D200 seems to be getting more and more real. Have a look at the photos here, they don't look as obviously fake as others I've seen earlier: http://nikond200images.blogspot.com/

Let there be a Nikon D200! Let Canon have some serious competition, so they don't get lazy and ask any price they like for their products!

Nikon has pretty much committed itself to the DX format (1.5x crop), even in their high-end DSLRs. I don't think Nikon will produce a full-frame camera anytime soon. That D200 could be serious competition for the 20D, but not for the 5D.


I think there just tryinh to get up-to date still from the 20D let alone the 5D. Nikon will probably never have a 5d( I could be wrond) becasue of their good production/ profits from the DX lens series.

[JohnnyG]

I'm not sure I agree with those conclusions the author made but anyway, I would agree with Krapo. Not just for the sake of competition, but I would like to have multiple companies trying to produce the best camera around, because the odds of someone making a truly great camera are increased as a result. I won't even hesitate to buy another company's camera if they're making one better than Canon's at the time of my next purchase. My only concern is getting the best camera and seeing one company rise as the only option for camera purchases gets in the way of that.

I do think Nikon will stick around though, they're not exactly a new company that might come and go overnight...
I feel exactly the same way! Competition is good for all of us. It always is.

Without competition, Canon or any other camera company, will not progress. Why would they need to?

I also feel that Nikon is a great camera company and will stick around for sure. They have too much at stake not to.

[ACDCROCKS]

I saw that Nikon made the D200 official, I wonder what's Canons Alternaitve to this? ;)

[Jon]

I've said it before. I'll repeat it here. Whenever Noink officially announces the D200 is coming will be plenty of time for Canon to start designing the competition, and still beat the D200 to market, with a superior product.

[UncleDoug]

It's not so much the product, but what you do with it.
Both are fine camera systems...