350D vs 20D

[soupdragon]

Anybody else notice something of a social divide between owners of the affore mentioned.

[Loki1117]

I would say that it is human nature to automatically believe that whatever you buy is the best. A 20Der may say that they got more capabilities, a 350Der (Rebel XT) may say that they got comperable capabilities, but saved money. Either way, the "Proof is in the pudding." I try to look more at what their pictures are like and /or comments they make, rather than equipment they own.

So, is there a social divide? I would say that it exists only between those who do not feel adequate about their own skills. Of course that is the psychology major side of me talking. It's just like any other activity.

[Ronald S. Jr.]

We've all seen people get some amazing shots with a P&S, and seen some people get ungodly horrible shots with a 1DsMkII(hard to believe). Equipment isn't important. There's someone who can make anything work.

[kaitanium]

yep. its not your equiptment (although it can help a bit) its all about the photographer and his eye and creativity and using what hes got. if i was super talented it wont matter if i use a P&S vs a 1dmkII.
i really notice no divide and i agree with Loki1117, people with no skills will rely on their equiptment, more expensive for these type of people the better, to bolster their image (for lack of better words).

[soupdragon]

You're probably right but I can't help feeling that people look upon my 350D as being an amateur device.
And yes, it does make me wonder whether I bought the "right camera".

[nitsch]

You're probably right but I can't help feeling that people look upon my 350D as being an amateur device.

Hehe, so if there is a social divide between 350D and 20D owners, where do we 300D owners stand?! Oh the shame! :o ;) :lol: LOL!

I'm sure someone once said "It's not what you've got, it's what you do with it!" :D

[swiftybilko]

Anybody else notice something of a social divide between owners of the affore mentioned.

..between the big-handers and lickle-handers?

I tried the 350D but it was w-a-y too small in my hands.

Previous comments about what you do, and not what you do it with are quite right.

[Mike Smith]

I get the same feeling. Some 20D owners want to put the 350D in the same class as the 300D. But in reality the 350D and 20D are very similar in their capabilities, and both of them a huge step above the 300D. I don't doubt that the 20D is a better camera, but I doubt very much that it's a better value. And if I ever hope to get some good lenses, I'm going to need to save money where ever I can.

[etaf]

Bob Atkins comparison
http://www.bobatkins.com/photography/digital/eos_digital_rebel_xt_vs_20d.html

[kaitanium]

You're probably right but I can't help feeling that people look upon my 350D as being an amateur device.
And yes, it does make me wonder whether I bought the "right camera".

id screw what people tell you and feel satisfied about your purchase since even though its marketed as a low end device, it still can do much of what higher end models can do. wow those poeple with your composition skills and then they wont have anything to say about your "ametuer device" ;) . im totally satisfied with my 300d, people can look down on me all they want ill just wow them with good shots :p

[etaf]

its just a tool - I know photographers that get great pictures consistantly out of there compacts, they just know the limitations of the tool and dont try to exceed it.
the 350D has a huge range of scope to take pictures with the correct lenses.
If you look at the comparison between 20d and 350d and then ask how often I would need that for the pictures i want to take.
When I went digital I delibratly went for a compact canon PRO1 as I did not want to carry all the lenses etc around as i used to with the Film EOS System I had. I again I understood what those limitations would mean.

so out take lots of photos and enjoy........

This picture went to print from a 300D
http://www.dpforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2724

I'm sure there are lots on this website to

[soupdragon]

Well that's another thing that rubs the fur the wrong way when people say the 300 does not hold a candle to the later models.
From what I have seen the 300 is more robust than the 350 and as for performance, unless the pictures are printed beyond A4 the difference is negligible.

[MazerRakhm]

Nothing better than showing up to a football game with the ol' 300D. It get's me some wonderful looks from "experts and critics", but takes nice pictures. It's done me proud, and those "experts and critics" that judge my photography without actually seeing a picture can go jump in a lake.

And for a few of them, I've seen their pictures, and me and my 300D have nothing to fear.

In other words I agree with; etaf, kaitanium, and Ronald S. Jr., it's just a tool, or a means to an end. The camera isn't going to take the pictures for you, it still needs an operator, and the better the operator the better the picture. All the models mentioned are capable of some stunning pictures in the right hands.

[kaitanium]

w00t. so have no fear soupdragon =P. so sling that 350D over your shoulders and carry it like a lady carries her purse proudly everywhere!

[Big_B]

I always want a new camera. The thing that stops me buying one is the question "will my photos really look better with my new toy?". The honest answer is invariably no

Unfortunately that sort of logic doesn't prevent me from spending lots on lenses :)

[bachscuttler]

..between the big-handers and lickle-handers?

I tried the 350D but it was w-a-y too small in my hands.

Previous comments about what you do, and not what you do it with are quite right.

It ain't small when you start sticking bits on it :D

http://www.steve-perks.com/gfx/forumposts/IMG_8416.jpg

[RobKirkwood]

It ain't small when you start sticking bits on it :D

http://www.steve-perks.com/gfx/forumposts/IMG_8416.jpg


Beat me to it!

Since I added the grip, people are convinced I've bought a new camera.:D

[bachscuttler]

Beat me to it!

Since I added the grip, people are convinced I've bought a new camera.:D

Do you find it's too heavy for the keyring now? :lol:

[bachscuttler]

Hehe, so if there is a social divide between 350D and 20D owners, where do we 300D owners stand?! Oh the shame! :o ;) :lol: LOL!

I'm sure someone once said "It's not what you've got, it's what you do with it!" :D

Let the end result be the deciding factor!

[Loki1117]

Okay, here comes my psych side again... Soupdragon, sounds like you suffer from "cognitve dissonance." That is when you buy something (like a digital camera for instance) you opt to save a few bucks instead of spending your life savings. Then afterwards you wonder if you shouldn't have spent a little more. Of course if you had spent your life savings you would be asking yourself if you wasted your money. :lol:

[Moppie]

If I can own an A80 and feel confident useing it, get some very nice compliments on the photos Iv taken with it, and spend a two whole days now shooting with a bunch of 20D owners and not once feel, or be made to feel a lesser person then I don't think you have anything to worry about owning a 350D or even a 300D

[soupdragon]

Okay, here comes my psych side again... Soupdragon, sounds like you suffer from "cognitve dissonance." That is when you buy something (like a digital camera for instance) you opt to save a few bucks instead of spending your life savings. Then afterwards you wonder if you shouldn't have spent a little more. Of course if you had spent your life savings you would be asking yourself if you wasted your money. :lol:

So it's nothing to do with my un-balanced diet then, phew! I was worried I'd have to give up lasagne or curry or something:D

[soupdragon]

Beat me to it!

Since I added the grip, people are convinced I've bought a new camera.:D

Yes, it is much sexier with it's trousers on.

[joe_elway]

EOS 350D + BG-E3 Grip, EF-S 18-55 f/3.5-5.6, EF 75-300 f/4-5.6 III USM, Glock 27 (for subjects that need a different kind of shooting)

That lens sounds like it's fun to use. :D It brings a whole new meaning to this 350D Vs 20D debate as I've only used the Glock 17.

[Ballen Photo]

Anybody else notice something of a social divide between owners of the affore mentioned.The short answer? Not really.
I prefer to enjoy the images created by the afore mentioned devices that are a direct result of the capabilities of the person holding these and other image making tools. ;)
-Bruce

[Jon, The Elder]

You are abolutely right ! I gave my wife the 300D and she really enjoys it - For one BIG reason - she learned (really learned) HOW IT WORKS !

There is a huge difference between just 'owners' and photographers.

[rklepper]

Maybe if I had a 20D I could rationalize getting some good lenses to go on it.

[colliewalker1]

I'm sure someone once said "It's not what you've got, it's what you do with it!" :D

Was it Mae West ??!!:rolleyes:

[colliewalker1]

id screw what people tell you and feel satisfied about your purchase since even though its marketed as a low end device, it still can do much of what higher end models can do. wow those poeple with your composition skills and then they wont have anything to say about your "ametuer device" ;) . im totally satisfied with my 300d, people can look down on me all they want ill just wow them with good shots :p

I'm amazed at the cameras that are referred to as 'entry level' when the specifications are incredible and a while ago would have been undreamt of even in 'professional' cameras. Perhaps this is a device to persuade people who can afford them to buy todays 'high end' cameras rather than spoil that market by suggesting that 'entry level' cameras are more than adequate for perhps 95% of the market.:rolleyes:

[Andy_T]

You can always put a honking' big lens on your 350D, if it's important for you what other people think about you... :wink:

... and if you don't want to afford the big&expensive Canon/Sigma artillery, just get an M42 adapter and get a used 300 mm M42 lens for 50$... you might even get a 20$ manual film body with it on eBay to hang it over your shoulder as 'backup camera' for show when you're in reality using your 350D :lol:

If it's not so important to you what others think about how your camera looks, try to convince them with good images instead... :wink:
But that's actually the hard part :o

... as to the 'social divide' impression, we had exactly the same discussion about 2 years ago when there was a growing number of 300D users on the forum ... and it was unfounded at that time, too...

Best regards,
Andy

[saravrose]

as long as it's in the canon family who cares?

[markubig]

You're probably right but I can't help feeling that people look upon my 350D as being an amateur device.
And yes, it does make me wonder whether I bought the "right camera". Are you happy with your photos? if yes, then you've purchased the right camera. Who cares what other people think.

[Jon]

The only particular social divide I notice is between the people who believe that we should get whatever gear we can afford and those who think that only the "anointed" should use the "pro" stuff.

[sugarzebra]

I think if you read the threads on POTN a strong case can be made that lenses are a greater dividing issue than bodies (L-disease, L-coholism etc). There is some merit to this however because putting good glass on a less expensive body will probably make for better results than upgrading the body.
Merry Christmas everyone!