When will the 30D be out?

[Pheobe]

Does anyone have any idea when they are going to upgrade the 20D? They seem to go through all the other models pretty fast. I am currently on the 10D but I would like to wait and see what the next model brings us before taking another mortgage out, lol

Also I am cureous to know if those who have used both 10 and 20D if they feel that the skin tones are better with the 20D.

Thanks
Pheobe

[jediforce4ever]

30D is expected to be announced in maybe Feb 2006 but wont be available till april 2006(rumors).

[Pheobe]

Well that is something to look forward to! Thank you!

[jediforce4ever]

just rumors....but dont hope too much for it to have a higher framing rate...definitely a higher MP count...weather sealing(??)...

[kram]

It is rumored that the rumor may be true ;)

[ssim]

It is difficult to say that one camera will handle skin tones better than another camera. I've seen some photographer's work with a 10D that I've never been able to come near with my 20D. Technology helps but it is also how you use your equipment and how good you are at the post processing workflow to a large degree.

The nex camera to be come out from Canon is pure conjecture and rumor mill at this point in time. If you want to upgrade from teh 10D, the 20D is a damn fine camera to accomplish this. Having a 30D does not make teh 20D obsolete. It is will continue to serve photographers well for many years to come.

If Canon holds true to their normal life cycle of camera bodies we will probably see something in the spring.

[Dragos Jianu]

It's is also rumored that 350/10/20D owners who aren't gadget freaks couldn't care less about it ;)

[APM]

Regarding the upgrade of the 20D: Remember that the model line up has already had a D30, so I am not so sure that the 20D's successor will be called the 30D. I am going to throw a curved ball into the discussion here and guess that it will be called the 50D. Yes, I know that Konica Minolta have a similar named model, but I don't think that will phase Canon too much. Why do I say the 50D? Well, we have recently seen the introduction of the 5D and Canon in the past have named their camera ranges on the basis of number sequences, such as 5, 50, 500 and 5000. I therefore think the next one will be the 50D and that when the 350D is upgraded it will be called the 500D. Any comments on this theory?

[jediforce4ever]

Regarding the upgrade of the 20D: Remember that the model line up has already had a D30, so I am not so sure that the 20D's successor will be called the 30D. I am going to throw a curved ball into the discussion here and guess that it will be called the 50D. Yes, I know that Konica Minolta have a similar named model, but I don't think that will phase Canon too much. Why do I say the 50D? Well, we have recently seen the introduction of the 5D and Canon in the past have named their camera ranges on the basis of number sequences, such as 5, 50, 500 and 5000. I therefore think the next one will be the 50D and that when the 350D is upgraded it will be called the 500D. Any comments on this theory?
hmm..agree

[EOSX]

At this point, I guess I am happy with what I got. People go and buy all these bells and whistles on camera just to have them without truly learning the fundamentals of photography (exposure, composition, etc), which will make your photos a 100X better than any 1DS, 20D, 30D, 50D, etc. Yes, the options on the camera helps but if you don't have the fundamentals, it's not going to help much. At this point, I guess you need to ask yourself, will the 30D make me a better photographer or will it make me look cool with a new "bling bling" around my neck? ;)

Tiger Woods with his fundamentals and skills can outplay me with a 1930 golf club even though, I will average or below average fundamental skills, have the latest Taylor Made Super Duper Extreme Maximum Titanium MoFo. It's the skills not always the tools ;)

[nitsch]

Tiger Woods with his fundamentals and skills can outplay me with a 1930 golf club even though, I will average or below average fundamental skills, have the latest Taylor Made Super Duper Extreme Maximum Titanium MoFo. It's the skills not always the tools ;)

Amen EOSX.

Having said that, I am looking to upgrade when the new body comes out. I will probably go for the new body if it gets good reviews, the main thing I am after is improved high ISO noise levels. I worry however that if the new model is 10+ megapixels plus in the same 1.6x crop sized sensor that noise levels may in fact get worse rather than improve... in which case I will upgrade to a 20D at a knock down price. Well see.

[uktrailmonster]

EOSX, you've got a good point - but you've also got the latest "bells and whistles" 350D!
So your point is slightly degraded.

I still use an old D30 as my main camera at home, but I also use a 20D at work. Although I'm no expert, the 20D is much easier to get good results from. So I can conclude that the extra bells and whistles on the 20D are worthwhile for anyone remotely into digital photography. So will its replacement be a major upgrade or just a few minor tweaks? Who knows? If it's a big step forward I might treat myself to one. If not I'll buy a cheap used 20D :)

[EOSX]

EOSX, you've got a good point - but you've also got the latest "bells and whistles" 350D!
So your point is slightly degraded.

It's not degraded; I researched and bought the 350D as my first pro-consumer DSLR. Notice that I bought the low end of the Canon DSLR because all those bells and whistles don't mean much for a person who mainly does nature photography. Your arguement is only valid if I bought the 350D, then went to buy the 5D when it came out. I prefer to spend on good lens not features and options that I don't need in cameras.

I remain with the 350D and will remain with it until I know that my skills significantly exceeds the camera to the point that I will need to upgrade to another camera. It's the photographer's skills not always the tool.

[Kickstart]

Hi

With Canon seeming to have an 18 month replacement cycle for the mid range digital SLRs, that suggests the 20D will be replaced around Feb next year.

However I suspect that rather depends on whether the Nikon D200 is better than Canon expected.

Main thing I would hope for is the autofocus from the 1Dmk2. However I suspect that is one feature Canon will reserve for their premier range.

Higher fps would be nice. Higher pixel count would be nice. Less noise at high ISO would be nice. Weather sealing would be nice. Larger buffer will be nice. Suspect several of those features will be improved but none of those would be enough to get me to upgrade from the 20D.

All the best

Keith

[zacker]

rumor has it, its called the 25D. Rumor also has it that i might be lying but,,,you shouldnt go spreading rumors...dont you remember anything from school?
-zacker-

[uktrailmonster]

It's not degraded; I researched and bought the 350D as my first pro-consumer DSLR. Notice that I bought the low end of the Canon DSLR because all those bells and whistles don't mean much for a person who mainly does nature photography. Your arguement is only valid if I bought the 350D, then went to buy the 5D when it came out. I prefer to spend on good lens not features and options that I don't need in cameras.

I remain with the 350D and will remain with it until I know that my skills significantly exceeds the camera to the point that I will need to upgrade to another camera. It's the photographer's skills not always the tool.

Ok, fair enough. You better keep using your brand new 350D for the next decade or so now though ;)

[I Simonius]

It is rumored that the rumor may be true ;)

I heard tghat the rumoured rumour was rumoured to be the rumour that wasd true rather than the rumour that rumoured it wasn't

[ACDCROCKS]

All I want is less noise, and more ISO options, like 6400...but have the ISO 6400 at 3200 iso quality on the 20d..I'm waiting, It's too close, and I don't need it until Aug 2006..I have a camera that serves me ok, but time for a canon..... I'm very eager for the new camera and 70-200is...the 70-200IS Came down ya!!!!!!!

[Mark_Cohran]

ISO 6400 - Holy Cow! Buy a tripod and use a slower shutter speed, or get a faster lens. There are going to be limits on the gain of a digital sensor before the noise is just too overwhelming, even for noise reduction software - I think 3200 is already pushing it.

Mark

[uktrailmonster]

ISO 6400 - Holy Cow! Buy a tripod and use a slower shutter speed, or get a faster lens. There are going to be limits on the gain of a digital sensor before the noise is just too overwhelming, even for noise reduction software - I think 3200 is already pushing it.

Mark

You're probably right, but don't underestimate the pace of technology. What seems unfeasible today will become obsolete by tomorrow. I can easily remember when 1.5 MP bodies were "state-of-the-art" and cost about 15 grand.

[malcolmp]

Yes but technology gains are not linear in "value" (utility) over the range. They level off after a certain threshold. E.g. Is 3 MP is 2x better than 1.5 MP -- you betya. But is 16 MP 2x better than 8 MP for the average user? Not for the most common printing sizes.

Actually, for me 16 MP would be a hassle because I don't do such large prints and the file size would be an extra hassle to store. I would end up shooting in 8 MP mostly.

At the moment I'm very happy with my 350D and would prefer usability gains (easier ISO & AF point settings) rather than more MP or AF points.

Hmmm, now if Canon used a 16 MP sensor to generate oversampled 8 MP images at ISO 6400, that may be interesting :-) Doh! Arguing against myself again...

Malcolm

[APM]

It is true that the lower end Canon digital cameras have been upgraded every 18 months or so. However, the 20D has been a very sucessful camera, so Canon may keep it in production for a while longer. Nevertheless, I am sure that it will eventually be replaced and as time goes by, I have no doubt there will be great speculation on the specification of it's replacement. Maybe we will see an increase in pixels, maybe an increase in the frame rate.

Regarding the frame rate, there was a significant increase in the frame rate when Canon upgraded the DIGIC processor to the DIGIC II processor, although at the higher end of the camera range, I think this was also attributable to an increase in the buffer capacity. I am sure that the Canon engineers are not resting on their laurels and that they are working on a DIGIC III processor. Maybe in the future we will see an 8 mp camera like the 20D which is capable of shooting at 10 frames per second! At the higher end of the range, we might also see the 16 mp EOS 1Ds shooting at 8.5 frames per second, like the EOS 1D.

[Jakpro]

3D in June.

[ACDCROCKS]

ISO 6400 - Holy Cow! Buy a tripod and use a slower shutter speed, or get a faster lens. There are going to be limits on the gain of a digital sensor before the noise is just too overwhelming, even for noise reduction software - I think 3200 is already pushing it.

Mark
I shoot sports, high school sports that is :(, anyone who has shot High Sports knows that High Schools have the worst lighting, and I shoot stuff who has even worse lighting...Fast lenses help, but the more light, the better.....1.8 were barley talking good enough for Nitro ACar racing.Plus Grain looks good in a handfull of photography shoots.......

[Mark_Cohran]

I shoot sports, high school sports that is :(, anyone who has shot High Sports knows that High Schools have the worst lighting, and I shoot stuff who has even worse lighting...Fast lenses help, but the more light, the better.....1.8 were barley talking good enough for Nitro ACar racing.Plus Grain looks good in a handfull of photography shoots.......

I agree that grain can be an artistic addition to some photos. I'm not keen on noise though, which isn't the same thing as grain. With digital you have both luminance noise and chroma noise - and chroma noise looks like crap on skin tones.

I think there is a finite limit to the ability of the sensor to increase gain (ISO) and still be able to produce an acceptable image. Once that gain gets so high, currents in the sensor from self-heating and other effects are going to cause the signal-to-noise ratio to be too low to get valid image. That limit may not be ISO 6400, but there will be a limit.

Mark

[ron chappel]

No way-give us higher,better quality ISO's !! ;)

I won't be satisfied until i can get a documentary pic of jonah inside the big fish using natural light!
Ok,that's way over the top,but it does make a very good point. Photography has allways been restricted by low light. One can allways use ND filters if the light is too bright!


Seriously,i hope they give us wider dynamic range and cleaner,higher ISO's. All else is optional.
Most importantly i hope they don't stuff around trying to raise megapixels -or worse still- chase the pointless full-frame-for-the-sake-of-it rubbish.This just takes resources away from real improvements

[uktrailmonster]

I think there is a finite limit to the ability of the sensor to increase gain (ISO) and still be able to produce an acceptable image. Once that gain gets so high, currents in the sensor from self-heating and other effects are going to cause the signal-to-noise ratio to be too low to get valid image. That limit may not be ISO 6400, but there will be a limit.

Mark

I know what you mean, but I remember when people talked of computer processors being finitely limited to about 400 MHz. These limits tend to increase much more than you expect. This applies to almost all technology. Technological progress tends to accelerate rather than slow down. Image sensors will be the same and the technology is still very young. Who knows what the ISO limits will become 10 years down the line, but I'm willing to bet they would blow your mind today.

[Neilyb]

I would be quite happy with an 8mp full frame camera and to keep the costs down 1frame per minute.... :) Landscapes don't move that fast and I find 3fps on my 350d a bit excessive :)

Maybe it will be the 21d (In US it might be the Digital Rebel XT GTi V12 since they come up with wierd names for that market?) :)

[ACDCROCKS]

I would be quite happy with an 8mp full frame camera and to keep the costs down 1frame per minute.... :) Landscapes don't move that fast and I find 3fps on my 350d a bit excessive :)

Maybe it will be the 21d (In US it might be the Digital Rebel XT GTi V12 since they come up with wierd names for that market?) :)

The full frame would effect the 5D, it would still have the 1.6x factor..They want you pay the $$$ for frame now while they can, since it's new to digital. The 1.6X is fine for me, all I do is "back" up a few feet ;)

[Tomsk]

The successor to the 20D will be announced moments after you purchase a 20D 'cos you couldn't wait any longer! :p

[SWPhotoImaging]

I heard from a guy, who had this friend that knew a guy whose neighbor was at a dinner meeting downtown, and he overheard a guy at the next table saying that he had spoken to a friend of the mayor of the town who said that when the mayor had been on a plane with a lady from France, who was on the phone to her broker, who was telling her that he had heard from a reliable source that there was a possibility that the rumors surrounding the release of the 30D were unsubstantiated. So there you have it.

[willg]

I work for canon, the 30d is coming out tomorrow












I wish

[jediforce4ever]

The successor to the 20D will be announced moments after you purchase a 20D 'cos you couldn't wait any longer! :p
way too true.....:lol:

[I Simonius]

Does anyone have any idea when they are going to upgrade the 20D? They seem to go through all the other models pretty fast. I am currently on the 10D but I would like to wait and see what the next model brings us before taking another mortgage out, lol

Also I am cureous to know if those who have used both 10 and 20D if they feel that the skin tones are better with the 20D.

Thanks
Pheobe

I only know that it will be a friday;)

[rklepper]

It is rumored that the rumor may be true ;)

It is also rumoured that the rumour may just be a rumour. So keep that in mind.

[DocFrankenstein]

No way-give us higher,better quality ISO's !! ;)

-or worse still- chase the pointless full-frame-for-the-sake-of-it rubbish.This just takes resources away from real improvements
If you think in terms of area, the full frame has more than 2.5x the area of the APS sensor. Which means 2.5 times more photons. Which means 2.5 times more information. Which means less noise!

This translates to ISO improvement of more than one stop, ceteris paribus.

[fatrat]

I heard they Canon are just going to rebadge the Nikon D200 and change its lens mount!?
Could be true?:rolleyes:

[Jon]

I heard they Canon are just going to rebadge the Nikon D200 and change its lens mount!?
Could be true?:rolleyes:
Yes. The new Canon EOS 15D. They decided to be generous - some of the marketing staff thought it should be a 325D.

[Larry M]

Boy you guys aren't a lot of help here!!:) I'm in the process of upgrading to a DSLR(20D?) from a Sony DSC S85 and my son-in-law is really pushing me to hurry up and get the 20D, he already has one.
I told him I wanted to wait a while and see if Canon comes out with a 10+mp camera but I'm not sure if the wait is worth it,,,,decisions, decisions, decisions.
Larry M.

[ACDCROCKS]

Mega Pixels won't make a diffence in quality if it's from 8MP TO 10mp...Ken Rockwell says MP don't really mean anything....It's the lesn you have, not the MP you have..IF you want want Mega pixels but the Canon EOS 1Ds Mark II, It's 16 Megapixels..Don't be hoping a great difference from the 20d 8mp to the new 20d 1omp or so.

[Mercycreek]

I currently work part time at a Wolf Camera. I happened to get first hand information from a Canon rep that the announcment for the new model will come in Feb. No date was given but it will definately be announced in Feb.

Right now I hear mainly that the LCD will be bigger, the sensor will be bigger, and there will be a megapixel increase obviously. Thats all I've got thus far. ;)

[Jon]

We've consistently said "You can't take pictures with the camera you don't have" and "Even if a new model comes out, the old one won't lose any of its functionality". How much plainer can we be. If you want it now, get it now. If you don't care about using it, then wait. Since Canon doesn't (unlike certain other companies whose names start and end with N) pre-announce cameras before they're ready to hit the shelves, anything you may be hearing about an upcoming Canon is strictly rumour. There may be some leaks a week or so before the official announcement, but until then it's all WAG.

[shiato storm]

I currently work part time at a Wolf Camera. I happened to get first hand information from a Canon rep that the announcment for the new model will come in Feb. No date was given but it will definately be announced in Feb.

Right now I hear mainly that the LCD will be bigger, the sensor will be bigger, and there will be a megapixel increase obviously. Thats all I've got thus far. ;)
i was going on about weather sealing way before the 5d came on the scene...this one better have it...! couldn't give a toss about increased mpix - though as thats what drives the market i suspect it'll be up little (like the d200) though the danger is increased noise; more photodiodes/smaller sensor etc. I would also expect hte lcd to be larger like the 5D and this appears to be how things are going right now. as afr as functions go the 20D is pretty much good enough so I suspect any further 'improvements' would merely be like the 5D's/MkII N's picture format type custom things (not entirely sure as I have neither but you know what I mean - pre-set parameters for certain shooting situations).
oh and since the D200 has it it would be nice to have weathersealing on the new 'whatever' D in feb....

[I Simonius]

Boy you guys aren't a lot of help here!!:) I'm in the process of upgrading to a DSLR(20D?) from a Sony DSC S85 and my son-in-law is really pushing me to hurry up and get the 20D, he already has one.
I told him I wanted to wait a while and see if Canon comes out with a 10+mp camera but I'm not sure if the wait is worth it,,,,decisions, decisions, decisions.
Larry M.


The worth is definitely wait it!

There'll ne enough pressies around Christmasd, is FEB so long to wait? Also the 20D will be cheaper then,n fact there'll be even more going secondhasnd ( including mine!) as people upgrade. Either way you'll benefit by waiting

[Larry M]

Salmon King,
I understand about the waiting, its the preasure I'm getting from some of my DSLR buddies:) but heck its my 3 to 4k I'm spending not theirs! I can wait a few more months or so, I'm still reading the 20D manual I downloaded but its hard to understand without the camera in hand.:confused:
Larry M.

[EOSX]

One will go broke trying to stay "updated" with the newest camera. :rolleyes: These are becoming like computers...newer models will always come out and yours will be old before you get full understanding or use of it.

Personally, what I have is fine and works well. I am more interested in my skills than the latest camera. Plus I am a hobbyist and these photos don't pay for themselves. Just the joy and fun is good enough for me. :D

[dave carriger]

One will go broke trying to stay "updated" with the newest camera. :rolleyes: These are becoming like computers...newer models will always come out and yours will be old before you get full understanding or use of it.

Personally, what I have is fine and works well. I am more interested in my skills than the latest camera. Plus I am a hobbyist and these photos don't pay for themselves. Just the joy and fun is good enough for me. :D I could' agree more my 20d will be good enough for me for years.Now I just want more great glass.

[Tom W]

The worth is definitely wait it!

There'll ne enough pressies around Christmasd, is FEB so long to wait? Also the 20D will be cheaper then,n fact there'll be even more going secondhasnd ( including mine!) as people upgrade. Either way you'll benefit by waiting

Have you stolen CyberDyneSystem's keyboard? ;)

[EOSX]

I could' agree more my 20d will be good enough for me for years.Now I just want more great glass.

You are right. I want the glass, especially the Ls.

[MrChad]

I would only be tempted if the replacement for the 20D was truely worthy of the name Elan. I loved my Elan 7N, sold it to purchase my Drebel though. If a 30D (Elan D) hit the shelves then I would be tempted simply for the feature set and layout like my old Elan, a nice metal covered shell would be great too. Else I'll stick with the Drebel.

The best feature of the Elan was the very bright veiwfinder, I still don't understand why we can't make a viewfinder as bright for the 1.6x sensor.

[ACDCROCKS]

I'm going with the future 20d becauseI'm switching from Nikon. It's too close for a camera to come out. I really don't need the 30d until next August. By then it will be on the shelves, with reviews and ahve the money in my wallat, and I can try both 20d and fututre "30d" and make my desicion. But untill then, it's still with the noink, serving it's purpose t'll notice....

[Chris_S]

i was going on about weather sealing way before the 5d came on the scene...this one better have it...! oh and since the D200 has it it would be nice to have weathersealing on the new 'whatever' D in feb....

One reason why it wouldnt have weather sealing?
Weather sealing is something they include for professional photographers who often find themselves in dusty, wet, and other 'bad for camera' conditions where they HAVE to take their photos. Amateurs, Entusiasts and Hobbyists (theoretically) do not need weather sealing because they simply dont need to be in these harsh conditions as part of their profession.

Canon, as well as every other manufacturer will always make sure there is a distinct difference in build and functionality between their consumer, prosumer, and professional bodies. For this reason only, i doubt there will be Professional quality weather sealing on this new 'prosumer' model.

[Dragos Jianu]

8MP Full Frame. ISO 12800 loking like 3200 on 20D. Figure that I need high ISO a lot more often then printing huge 90x60cm posters :o

[drews578]

I did not see any mention of dynamic range... I would rather have more dynamic range before more MP, but I'll take both. More dynamic range may reduce noise problems if your technique involves underexposing to prevent highlight clipping not to mention shadows would be better rendered as well. I personally think this is where chip development is headed instead of more MP and bigger chips although I am sure we will see that too. We will all be looking at D-Max and numbers like that in the future...I hope. PMA is Feb 26 - March 1.... I would suspect announcement around then.

[garbidz]

Canon will do whatever it takes to keep its overall 60% market share and the maybe even higher portion of Canon-slinging pro's. What is there in the competition that can threaten its position? Of course, there are the Nikon users who stick to the brand because of compability. Olympus and Konica-Minolta are minor players and Kodak has thus far failed to get anything get any market credibility. Fuji has its own Fovea sensor which seems to be superior in some respects as hardware but Canon again offers full frame which nobody else has.

Canon would need some serious competition. They have used marketing, heavy on-the-spot backup for the pros (I used to have a F-1 and it was flattering to walk past the line to get it serviced). The risk is that the superior position results in getting fat in more ways than one.

Probably Canon sees the Pro market as saturated, ie. any further major acquisition would be too costly. As long as the others are nowhere nere, time will be on their side and worn-out eqipment will be replaced with Canon.

Unless, that is.
Konica-Minolta fused for better competitiveness. They are not minor players in camera business, nor is Kyocera-Contax. Leica seems to fade out of the count as it has stuck to very high end engineering and manufacturing standards with no eye on what is happening on the market.

Canon is a mass-producing industrial player. From this fact stems the possibility for small niche players to come up with models that have a very slim segment, though maybe profitable as special products can be priced differently from mass products.

Maybe what we will see are Canon specials, panoramic bodies for landscape photographers, ultra fast units for sports photographers, maybe a skimmed-off metal-body thing for the nostalgic fanatiques.

I fully agree on Drews, as the only thing between my digital shots and the film pictures I used to make is the very steep gamma of the digital. It seems that with a refined use of the curves tool some of it can be counteracted. I am not very good at it as yet.

Maybe there will be a firmware option or maybe they will develope their sensor further, I do not know.

But one thing is for sure, I wil not get an upgrade just for the pleasure of having the latest. There has to be something gained other than the status.

Canon is a major player. They'll probably get me unawares...

[René Damkot]

The Fovean sensor is by Sigma.... Fuji uses an "extended dynamic range SuperCCD SR"

[Stav_98]

At this point, I guess I am happy with what I got. People go and buy all these bells and whistles on camera just to have them without truly learning the fundamentals of photography (exposure, composition, etc), which will make your photos a 100X better than any 1DS, 20D, 30D, 50D, etc. Yes, the options on the camera helps but if you don't have the fundamentals, it's not going to help much. At this point, I guess you need to ask yourself, will the 30D make me a better photographer or will it make me look cool with a new "bling bling" around my neck? ;)

Tiger Woods with his fundamentals and skills can outplay me with a 1930 golf club even though, I will average or below average fundamental skills, have the latest Taylor Made Super Duper Extreme Maximum Titanium MoFo. It's the skills not always the tools ;)

Have to say I'm in agreement with you on this on. I get damn fine (if I dont say so myself) results with my 300D. If you've already got a DSLR I'm go spend the money on decent glass before you purchase a new camera

[Tom W]

I did not see any mention of dynamic range... I would rather have more dynamic range before more MP, but I'll take both. More dynamic range may reduce noise problems if your technique involves underexposing to prevent highlight clipping not to mention shadows would be better rendered as well. I personally think this is where chip development is headed instead of more MP and bigger chips although I am sure we will see that too. We will all be looking at D-Max and numbers like that in the future...I hope. PMA is Feb 26 - March 1.... I would suspect announcement around then.

I think that the next big step in dynamic range will come at the 1-series level (unless the mythical 3D shows up). Look for the 14- or 16- bit per color RAW files at that level, which will eventually trickle down to the middle-range cameras.

[TimSchroepfer]

I am a loyal 10D owner. I love this camera, however, if I could get my hands on an upgraded body that would give me less noise on 400 - 1600 iso and a bit better focusing system I would be totally happy. I shoot a lot of theatrical sessions, working in low and very saturated light, and the 10D just does not give me the fine (smooth) image that I am looking for nor does it focus as well as I would like it to. Many times I need to pop into manual to get my images as sharp as I want them.

I know the 20D accomplishes both of these tasks slightly better than the 10D does, but until a prosumer level camera comes out that really takes it up a notch I am not going to invest in a new body. I would much rather spend my money on fine glass.

Well that is my 2cents on the issue.

[M2One]

I currently work part time at a Wolf Camera. I happened to get first hand information from a Canon rep that the announcment for the new model will come in Feb. No date was given but it will definately be announced in Feb.

Right now I hear mainly that the LCD will be bigger, the sensor will be bigger, and there will be a megapixel increase obviously. Thats all I've got thus far. ;)

So ya saying that the crop factor will be increased from 1.6x to 1.3x ?

That means EF-S lens won't be compliant to 30D. Hmm...

[BertieFCD]

I think it will be called the 44DD and everytime you use it , you will come away smiling :D

[cfcRebel]

I think it will be called the 44DD and everytime you use it , you will come away smiling :DOooo......double "D", that's a good sign. :p

[willg]

if its a 1.3x crop i will probably buy it, if not then 20d here we come

[shiato storm]

One reason why it wouldnt have weather sealing?
Weather sealing is something they include for professional photographers who often find themselves in dusty, wet, and other 'bad for camera' conditions where they HAVE to take their photos. Amateurs, Entusiasts and Hobbyists (theoretically) do not need weather sealing because they simply dont need to be in these harsh conditions as part of their profession.

Canon, as well as every other manufacturer will always make sure there is a distinct difference in build and functionality between their consumer, prosumer, and professional bodies. For this reason only, i doubt there will be Professional quality weather sealing on this new 'prosumer' model.
i understand the poitn but then if nikon can produce a camera - not dissimilar in price to the 20D when it was first released - that has, what we can agree to be considered 'professional trimmings' then surely it can't be that out of reach of the serious amateur...I agree its not a 20D competitior or a D70 replacement but the D200 does seem pitched pretty prefect to the hands of serious amateurs/semi-pros (amateurs getting themselves going into a pro market) or pro's after a lightweight solution.

[chancellor]

I think that Canon will need to come up with the next body soon (xxD, where 20 < xx < 1 :lol: ) and with price range ~$1700 to position itself against D200.

To the original question about the wait: is it worth it: yes and no (brillian answer, huh?). To answer that question I would ask myself a couple of question like:

--> Am I going to shoot the Christmas/Chanukah/Holidays, New Year, January, February, etc. or wait for the next best thing?
--> Do I think that 8.2 Mpixels and other existing tech specs aren't enough for a while?
--> Is it important for me to have the latest and the greatest body (camera) or should I accumulate my gLass collection?

I made a choice to go with 20D. At some point I'll definitely look into the 1 series, but for now I love it and most certainly for the foreseeable future it will do the job for me.

Good luck.

[uktrailmonster]

I'm looking at replacing my old D30 with a 20D (well actually I'll keep the D30 as a spare). I'm not going to buy the 20D until it gets replaced though. It will be loads cheaper at that point ;)

[roli_bark]

Wish that the successor will have a better focus system (something between 9 AF Points to the 45 AF points that the 1D's have...)

[goatee]

It will be called the 42D and will have the answers to life, the universe and everything :)

[Jon]

It will be called the 42D and will have the answers to life, the universe and everything :)
Ahah! At last, a reason to upgrade.

[shiato storm]

It will be called the 42D and will have the answers to life, the universe and everything :)
yeah but then you'll have people expecting to always have good shots and disregard the thing thats crucial...the person behind the lens!!

[goatee]

This is true, but without the special 42mm lenses, the 42D won't work properly ;)
yeah but then you'll have people expecting to always have good shots and disregard the thing thats crucial...the person behind the lens!!

[fishboy]

It will be called the 42D and will have the answers to life, the universe and everything :)

I already take a towel whenever I go on a shoot. Useful things, towels.

[MrChad]

yeah but then you'll have people expecting to always have good shots and disregard the thing thats crucial...the person behind the lens!!

That's OK I hear the new rumor is the XT will be replaced next by the Rebel 2-D2, it will take the pictures for you and e-mail them to your friends.

[grego]

Well, that camera won't be called the 30D. That's for sure.

Too easy to confuse/rip off since the D30 already exists.

ISO 6400 - Holy Cow! Buy a tripod and use a slower shutter speed, or get a faster lens. There are going to be limits on the gain of a digital sensor before the noise is just too overwhelming, even for noise reduction software - I think 3200 is already pushing it.

Mark

What's funny is Nikon already has ISO 6400, although with their CCD chips, things over like 1000 are already nasty. I should probably go test out the D100 and see what the noise output is for that 6400. :rolleyes:

[hole_digger]

it's time of the year again, rumor season, a few month before it's announced.
I'm kinda slow, i got my 300d when 350D is out, then i got my 1v hs while everyone is trying get rid of it. if next generation of 20d come out, i will probably consider upgrade 300d to current 20D... isn't that so good to keep up the pace but not followed close enough?

[Pete Morton]

Regardless of the new camera's name, I am planning to upgrade to it. I've been waiting patiently since first acquiring my D60. The 10D was tempting, but not quite enough to replace the old D60. The 20D was VERY tempting, but still not quite enough to make me leave the D60. Now it's time. I've watched a number of advances over the years and I anticipate that the 30D will only add to those. Things I especially want in a new camera are:

- more megapixels (10+ would be nice). I print a number of pictures on Super B paper (13" x 19") and expect to see an improvement.

- lower noise at the higher ISO's. There are a number of times that I would love to use an ISO of 800 or 1600, but the D60 isn't very clean at the faster speeds (it goes up to an ISO of 1000).

- better/faster focus. More focus points and quicker focus would be VERY nice.

- a larger previewer screen. The D60 is 1.8" and I drool when I see some of the point-and-shoots at 2.5" and larger.

Many of these main desires are satisfied by the 20D and 10D. The two exceptions are the screen size and the increased megapixels. Thus, those are my main areas of interest.

I hope this provided an overview of how the prosumer models have evolved over a few years and the interest of people (if they're like I am) who haven't switched when a new model was available.

Oh, another observation... I'm always mystified when I read that a Canon owner is considering switching to Nikon because the 200D is such a nice camera. The specifications are certainly great, but the whole idea of switching systems seems totally impractical since there is so much money invested in lenses! Are these people "just talking" or are they really serious?

[ACDCROCKS]

I think were fooling our selves. ;)

[shiato storm]

the way I see it the new one is announced in feb, hits the shelves mid-end march, high demand means it will be sold out rapidly (at high price) and not available to most until May some time. when was the 5D announced, shops around me have run out its been unexpectedly popular and they don't expect any back until after xmas/new years... I might just go for the 20D, whats the noise control on it like...I use a sonyP200 and anything above 100 is chronicly bad.

[goatee]

Shiato - I see from your sig that you have a fine lens collection, but no body listed - did something happen to your old body?

[grego]

It's already out!!!!!

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canond30/

:D I had to do it.

[shiato storm]

Shiato - I see from your sig that you have a fine lens collection, but no body listed - did something happen to your old body?nope i have a fine body, I exercise a fair bit and- oh wait...

no I never had a dSLR, I have a 1N (35mm) which I enjoy using for the quality it gives in return but used a 350D to shoot a calender recently (which is prooving to be very popular, i can provide a link) and got bitten by the dSLR bug...but i hate the 350D for its size, tiny viewfinder, annoying dots in the af areas and af is somewhat tempremental. took a look at the 20D the other day and it felt nicer in the hands, the viewfinder isn't as bad as I would have thought and functions-wise its got enough to satisfy me... so recenly been contemplating the 20D BUT as we are all aware the update is on the way, and canon's pushed the cashback date to the end of january now not the end of december...but when the new one is announced (mid-feb) it'll take a while to hit the shelves and then all the rest of it. its either go out get 20D knowing a new one is on the way shortly or wait ages and get the update...which in reality may not be for some time. the alternative is the 1dmkIIn but thats a beast of a camera to be fair, but I know its got weatherseals etc which is one of the things I like about the 1N. its a tough one to call, the d200 spanks the 20d in many ways, the 5D has no weatherseals (oddly) so what are the chances the new one will? will canon compete directly with the D200?

*quick! call the canon rep!*

[goatee]

lol.

I can see your dilemma - if I were used to a 1 series body, then my 300D would have been awful, and my 10D better, although it's not in the same class. Ah was your charity calendar the FTO one?

[shiato storm]

nope...go here
**WARNING, if you are offended by nakedness in anyway do not follow the calendar link on the title page!! but feel free to look around though :)**
http://www.ubbconline.co.uk
follow the link middle top, or if you want to see the posters of images used in the calendar then follow that link in the news bit below ;)

so yeah, cheap 20D now, its successor much later or the 1dmkiiN now (big and heavy!perhaps too much so?)...I like the 1 series robustness but hate the way it has the unremovable battery pack/base. I took mine off the 1N and prefer it...fits into a pack nicely when I'm up a mountain and I know it'll be ok to take a few knocks etc. wish canon released a dSLR that was tough but small...bit like the D200 actually!

[shiato storm]

p.s. also have eye on a 70-200 and macro ~100m range, thinking sigma for each as canon alternatives, well, for the price these are arguably two of sigma's sharpest lenses and although I have a couple of L's (100-400 no one else does that range, 24-70 mine is a good'un and I got it cheap) I can't justify the 70-200L

[goatee]

Shiato - you might consider the Sigma 70-200 f/2.8 EX HSM - it's approx the same cost as the 70-200f/4L, but as fast as the 2.8, and the HSM is pretty fast and quiet.

[shiato storm]

yes thats the one I was going for...as for the body to put it on...no idea. looking like the 20D more and more though given the new one might suffer from severe delay on release (like the troubles the D200 I suspect will have, already having...)

[goatee]

Sounds like a plan - otherwise you may pick up a deal on a secondhand 20D from someone upgrading to a 5D - may mean when the new model does come out, you can trade up with less loss of value on your body, than if you bought a new 20D. Of course, if the new model arrives, and doesn't have anything so tempting as to make you want to upgrade, you'll still have a mighty fine camera.

[racketman]

I wanted a second body to cut down on lens changes and finally bought a 20D last week to compliment my 350D. I realised a 30D might be only a few months away but couldnt think of much that I would want added to the 20D - I dont print posters so more MP of no interest. 5fps is plenty fast for sport. The AF seems vg. My lenses are not weather - sealed so that feature on the body wont help. A split image manual focus option would be nice but it wont happen. A larger LCD is a given and I will envy that for focus checks. Anyway prices were a bit keener in the UK and the £100 cashback ends in Jan.

[Carzee]

Hmmm, we're all daydreaming again. Whatever happens it will come to pass that 1D and 1Ds prices will fall further - can't wait. A used 1D body is maybe a better buy than a used 20D or new "30D" in some respects, some important ones.

[shiato storm]

I wanted a second body to cut down on lens changes and finally bought a 20D last week to compliment my 350D. I realised a 30D might be only a few months away but couldnt think of much that I would want added to the 20D - I dont print posters so more MP of no interest. 5fps is plenty fast for sport. The AF seems vg. My lenses are not weather - sealed so that feature on the body wont help. A split image manual focus option would be nice but it wont happen. A larger LCD is a given and I will envy that for focus checks. Anyway prices were a bit keener in the UK and the £100 cashback ends in Jan.
cheers for the info, yes I suspect if I got one now at least I'd use it like mad...i'd probably take it everywhere I went!! I was wondering about the AF but it should be good. as far as MP go I've printed A2 and got excellent results from a 350D, so the 20D is essentially the same. the cashback was up to the end of december but got pushed back to jan, either that means they want to shift as many 20D's as possible of the next one won't be announced for a while.

[rklepper]

The problem with waiting to buy technology until the best comes out is that it is ever changing and you will always be waiting and not taking photos.

[shiato storm]

whilst this is also true I have managed thus far with what i've got...so it does work both ways.

[Mercycreek]

So ya saying that the crop factor will be increased from 1.6x to 1.3x ?

That means EF-S lens won't be compliant to 30D. Hmm...

Thats a good point. All that was mentioned was a larger LCD screen. If I had my way I'd make the new model's sensor full frame and be done with it.

[shiato storm]

yeah but ff still has its problems - as the 5D has shown...light fall off etc.

[Jon]

yeah but ff still has its problems - as the 5D has shown...light fall off etc.
If you look, that "light falloff" exists in film as well. It's called cos^4 law, and is a fundamental principle of optics. Digital has nothing to do with it.

[shiato storm]

oh. I stand corrected.
I guess the shots I've seen with the 5D just didn't impress me that much, thats all. and in order to take advantage of the ff you need extremely good lenses - pixels are just 'too good' at resolving things and show up imperfections in lenses remarkably well.

[I Simonius]

the way I see it the new one is announced in feb, hits the shelves mid-end march, high demand means it will be sold out rapidly (at high price) and not available to most until May some time. when was the 5D announced, shops around me have run out its been unexpectedly popular and they don't expect any back until after xmas/new years... I might just go for the 20D, whats the noise control on it like...I use a sonyP200 and anything above 100 is chronicly bad.

Noise is, from what I have seen in online reviews, actually better than the 5D in some instances, which the reviewer expressed surprise at. Sorry can't reember which one, if it comes to me I'll post link:D

[shiato storm]

just seen an example of the new D200 noise at 1600...

um, what noise? !! its good I'm afraid.

[rmp123]

Here is a clue - Canon outlet on ebay in the UK has loads of 20Ds on sale at the moment, I have noticed that this usually happens just before a new model comes out!

[FlyingPete]

Here is a clue - Canon outlet on ebay in the UK has loads of 20Ds on sale at the moment, I have noticed that this usually happens just before a new model comes out!

It has now been over a year, and no Canon DSLR has been out any longer than 18 months (D30 to D60), so we possibly could start listening out for real rumors or leaks

Here is that release cycle:
1 Series
1D – 25 September 2001
1Ds – 24 September 2002
1DMkII – 29 January 2004
1DsMkII – 21 September 2004
Times between releases 364, 492 and 236 days
(The 1D and 1Ds could be considered as separate streams for now)

‘One Digit’ Series
5D - 22 August 2005

‘Two Digit’ Series
D30 – 17 May 2000
D60 – 22 February 2002
10D – 27 February 2003
20D – 19 August 2004
Times between releases 646, 370 and 539 days.

‘Three Digit’ Series
300D – 20 August 2003
350D – 17 February 2005
Time between releases 547 days.

[shiato storm]

Here is a clue - Canon outlet on ebay in the UK has loads of 20Ds on sale at the moment, I have noticed that this usually happens just before a new model comes out!
which could be them getting rid of all the dodgy knackerd sensor referb. ones :confused:
they were still selling 300D's until recently if I recall rightly

[goatee]

And in fact, when I went to the Calumet re-opening in London recently, they were trying to sell new 300Ds for £699.99!

[shiato storm]

wah! who fell for that one?!

[Neilyb]

I noticed yesterday that the Nikon D50 is being sold, reputable dealer in UK, for under £400...good news since Canon will have to start dropping prices too.....

[shiato storm]

less than £400? where?

[SuzyView]

I agree. I went to a friend's house Monday, he has the Nikon D100 and he said the D200 is out and he's selling his current for the new. Says he can't sell the D100 for much since so many newer and better models are coming out. He said he'd sell it to me for $850. I told him I'm committed to Canon and am looking forward to the 20D being under $1000 or the 5D for under $2500. I can dream. Canon should be lowering prices. I know my 10D is selling on Ebay for around $600.

SuzyView
10D and not upgrading yet

[shiato storm]

the D100 is a bit of a dinosaur I'm afraid. nikon over rate it still despite being surpassed by the D70/D70s all that time ago...

[SuzyView]

I agree. My friend does take great pictures, though. I think that's why he wants to upgrade. Still not paying the money for NIKON. I have another friend with the D70 and he is very happy.

SuzyView

[FlyingPete]

Well I was in a Duty Free store on Norfolk Island a few weeks ago, they still had a new 10D at full retail there, and even a EOS 500N (about 8 years old) brand new in the box still at its last RRP :eek:

[shiato storm]

yes but norfolk islands are a little out of the way...still, the tourist board does have an internet site.

[rssfhs]

Regarding the upgrade of the 20D: Remember that the model line up has already had a D30, so I am not so sure that the 20D's successor will be called the 30D. I am going to throw a curved ball into the discussion here and guess that it will be called the 50D. Yes, I know that Konica Minolta have a similar named model, but I don't think that will phase Canon too much. Why do I say the 50D? Well, we have recently seen the introduction of the 5D and Canon in the past have named their camera ranges on the basis of number sequences, such as 5, 50, 500 and 5000. I therefore think the next one will be the 50D and that when the 350D is upgraded it will be called the 500D. Any comments on this theory?

I know for sure they won't call it the 40D, because in Japanese 4 is an unlucky number.
It's pronounced like 'she', which is the same way they pronounce the word meaning death. Calling it the 40D would indeed be a kiss of death for sales (in Japan anyway).

[FlyingPete]

I know for sure they won't call it the 40D, because in Japanese 4 is an unlucky number.
It's pronounced like 'she', which is the same way they pronounce the word meaning death. Calling it the 40D would indeed be a kiss of death for sales (in Japan anyway).

Yes that is also why the G series go like this: G1, G2, G3, G5 and G6, no G4 there!

Although that said the number 4 does appear on other Power shot models (SD420, SD410 & SD450).

[defordphoto]

The number 4 (alone) in Japan is extremely bad luck!

[Neilyb]

Airport and Duty Free shops are the last place in the world I would ever buy ANYTHING!

[CyberDyneSystems]

It has now been over a year, and no Canon DSLR has been out any longer than 18 months (D30 to D60),

1D ... ;)

[jerrythesnake]

how long before the cameras release were the leaks starting?( heres hoping):o

[defordphoto]

30-45 days max. Anything else is pure speculation and rumor.

[M2One]

I can't wait too long! I haven't got a camera since August-September and need a replacement now! My long gone D70 need to be replaced!

*run around in circle mad*

[goatee]

So go out and buy a 20D (or a secondhand 20D), and some glass! :)

[M2One]

So go out and buy a 20D (or a secondhand 20D), and some glass! :)

Stop temping me! :cry: 30D is so close!!!

I can almost smell it! Those new plastic smell!

[grego]

Stop temping me! :cry: 30D is so close!!!

I can almost smell it! Those new plastic smell!

It'll be some time still, but it won't be 30D. :)

[M2One]

It'll be some time still, but it won't be 30D. :)

I'm gonna hold myself together like a cold turkey...

I have let go my Nikon D70 + gears to jump into canon. Please don't tell me i made a wrong decision! The D200 is so tempting!

[grego]

I'm gonna hold myself together like a cold turkey...

I have let go my Nikon D70 + gears to jump into canon. Please don't tell me i made a wrong decision! The D200 is so tempting!

Dude, the 20D is better than the D70. So you would still be upgrading in that sense.

If you still have your Nikon gear, then the D200 would be the way to go, financially speaking. But if you sold it all and have a clean slate, than yah, go for the 20D and stock yourself up with nice glass.

Here's a guy who has both cameras and compares them. From his testing, the 20D seems to best the D200. http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/327682

[M2One]

I really want the 5D. My field in photography is wide angle so FF obviously would help.

I think i can survive (just barely) without any camera at all. Then when the new replacement comes along i'll quickly purchase it.

[grego]

I really want the 5D. My field in photography is wide angle so FF obviously would help.

I think i can survive (just barely) without any camera at all. Then when the new replacement comes along i'll quickly purchase it.

So then maybe you should save up for the 5D or look into a used 1Ds Mark I.

[M2One]

So then maybe you should save up for the 5D or look into a used 1Ds Mark I.

Grego, thanks for that link. It looks like D200 doesn't handle well in higher ISO compared to D20, but i need to see further testing before i can conclude on that.

That damn 5D costs around AU$5300 bucks! (Australia)

I'm only a uni student so my pocket is not that deep. :eek:

[grego]

Grego, thanks for that link. It looks like D200 doesn't handle well in higher ISO compared to D20, but i need to see further testing before i can conclude on that.

That damn 5D costs around AU$5300 bucks! (Australia)

I'm only a uni student so my pocket is not that deep. :eek:

Oh of course, I wouldn't base anything on one test. What's nice is that test seems to entail more than one day and he's still testing it.

But yeah, its good to keep looking for more tests.

Since you are a student like me, I'd say 20D would do more than enough for you.

[M2One]

Oh of course, I wouldn't base anything on one test. What's nice is that test seems to entail more than one day and he's still testing it.

But yeah, its good to keep looking for more tests.

Since you are a student like me, I'd say 20D would do more than enough for you.

I have tried 20D with my friend's model but it didn't do me enough for me. It didn't fill me well enough that 20D is the camera.

I know what lens to get and the accessories... just the body is the problem.

I'll wait for the replacement patiently.

[grego]

I have tried 20D with my friend's model but it didn't do me enough for me. It didn't fill me well enough that 20D is the camera.

I know what lens to get and the accessories... just the body is the problem.

I'll wait for the replacement patiently.


Well, its still going to be a 1.6 cropped camera. So waiting won't change much in the sense of that type stuff. I guess it depends on what you desire.

[Larry M]

Hey, you all shouldn't have to wait long since I just bought my 20D:)

Anything I buy is usually replaced by a newer model right after I buy it, so based on that you should be seeing the new Canon 20D replacement real soon!!:)
Larry M.

[I Simonius]

Hey, you all shouldn't have to wait long since I just bought my 20D:)

Anything I buy is usually replaced by a newer model right after I buy it, so based on that you should be seeing the new Canon 20D replacement real soon!!:)
Larry M.

yes but you're no fool!
Buying just before a new model is released means you get 'almost' latest technology at knock down prices!

Pretrty sensible move if you ask me!

[Skippy29]

From my source at Canon, is that the replacement for the 20D will have it's Image Stabilization system manufactured into the body. This is great news as it would effectively make every EF or EF-S lens you currently own to then be an "IS lens".
Can't wait!

[Tom W]

From my source at Canon, is that the replacement for the 20D will have it's Image Stabilization system manufactured into the body. This is great news as it would effectively make every EF or EF-S lens you currently own to then be an "IS lens".
Can't wait!

Ahhh - first piece of meaty but unverifiable rumour so far! :)

[I Simonius]

From my source at Canon, is that the replacement for the 20D will have it's Image Stabilization system manufactured into the body. This is great news as it would effectively make every EF or EF-S lens you currently own to then be an "IS lens".
Can't wait!

My source has it that the 30D will include a small door on the LCD panel which houses a tiny microwave oven so you can roast chestnuts in the winter!( unfortunately only one at a time):D

[Tom W]

My source has it that the 30D will include a small door on the LCD panel which houses a tiny microwave oven so you can roast chestnuts in the winter!( unfortunately only one at a time):D

I'd much rather roast them on an open fire - Nikon has that. :)

[M2One]

My source has it that the 30D will include a small door on the LCD panel which houses a tiny microwave oven so you can roast chestnuts in the winter!( unfortunately only one at a time):D

Well my source says that it answers everything to do with the universe. The relations between man and higher form and how to keep the universe together like glue. Answers to 'mankinds' purpose of life'.

It also somehow comes with ipod + itunes.

[rssfhs]

My source has it that the 30D will include a small door on the LCD panel which houses a tiny microwave oven so you can roast chestnuts in the winter!( unfortunately only one at a time):D

When you buy the 30D, just throw your old camera into the fire to roast the chestnuts with.

[willg]

the 20d is a great camera so I hear, but honestly I think $1300 for it is a bit much if you already have a DSLR camera. I personally am very interested in the new model we should hear about in a few months.

[grego]

the 20d is a great camera so I hear, but honestly I think $1300 for it is a bit much if you already have a DSLR camera. I personally am very interested in the new model we should hear about in a few months.

New, yes, you can get it for between 1200-1300 new(body only).

However, there are many used bodies being sold for between 1000 and 1200(usually with extra stuff). And sometimes these bodies are new, just the UPC taken off for the UPC.

For example, I was looking recently at a 20D with 4 batteries and a grip for 1150.

So that's a pretty good deal.

[I Simonius]

Well my source says that it answers everything to do with the universe. The relations between man and higher form and how to keep the universe together like glue. Answers to 'mankinds' purpose of life'.

It also somehow comes with ipod + itunes.

yes but does it include batteries?:D

[paulhillion]

From my source at Canon, is that the replacement for the 20D will have it's Image Stabilization system manufactured into the body. This is great news as it would effectively make every EF or EF-S lens you currently own to then be an "IS lens".
Can't wait!
If this indeed ever proved to be true how would having 'IS' in built into the camera body effect also having IS on an attached lens? Would the IS in the lens become redundant?

[grego]

If this indeed ever proved to be true how would having 'IS' in built into the camera body effect also having IS on an attached lens? Would the IS in the lens become redundant?

That would take away the selling power of those IS lens......

[93octane]

Yeah but there alot of SLR cameras not Nikon or Canon that already have built in IS and Canon might loose part of the market if they don't compete against them. I would love to have IS built in to the body. If that is true I'll will be selling my 10D in flash and buying the 20D replacement. If the features are not that great I'll probably stick with a 20D.

[grego]

Yeah but there alot of SLR cameras not Nikon or Canon that already have built in IS and Canon might loose part of the market if they don't compete against them. I would love to have IS built in to the body. If that is true I'll will be selling my 10D in flash and buying the 20D replacement. If the features are not that great I'll probably stick with a 20D.

Who with all their Canon lens or Nikon lens is going to jump to another maker just because they have IS in their bodies?

[lostdoggy]

The rumor of having build in IS is reaching. One must consider that the direction of future DSLR is FF sensor. And there are only 2 DSLR w/ build in camera IS and they are both from Minolta, 7D & 5D.

[guitarman]

Well, its still going to be a 1.6 cropped camera. So waiting won't change much in the sense of that type stuff. I guess it depends on what you desire.

I only hope its still a 1.6 crop.

[grego]

I only hope its still a 1.6 crop.

And you'll get your hope or you'd have a 5D again.

[lostdoggy]

I think the next 20D will be closer to the 1DMKII. High frame rate and weatherseal w/ buildin wireless flash.One have to remember this cmaera is competing against the D200 and there are rumors that the 1D series will be combined into one camera. I think canon will elminate the buildin flash and give it a true penta prism its going to be brighter and larger then any other DSLR available. It will also address the issue with people with BIG nose.

[guitarman]

And you'll get your hope or you'd have a 5D again.

Yes but is it possible a 1.3

[grego]

Yes but is it possible a 1.3

Unless 1D series goes full frame, it will stay at 1.6. It would also alter the focal lengths of EF-S lens which made film equilients.