Sorry to say that I am Selling my G3

[Invasion]

Ok now I have decicded to sell my G3 as I am not happy with the pictures I get from it :( yes I can put some of them in photoshop and use USM to correct them but I dont like that fact that I have to, I thought that the Idea behind Raw mode was so those of us that wanted to could adjust them in Photoshop but if we didnt we could use one of the other settings. I have had some good results with the G3 but I just dont want to have to work on all my Images all of the time to get the results I want.

Please dont let my choice to sell my G3 influence you in anyway if you are Happy with your G3 dont go looking for faults just because somone posts one about theirs, I do think that is a easy and dangerous trap to fall into....as to what I am going to get next not really sure think I might just use my Nikon F60 for a while and watch the market.

[NILOLIGIST]

Invasion,

Very sorry to hear that you are selling your G3 :(. Upgrade to the 10D, you may like that better. I want a 10D and plan on getting one if my arm gets better.

Well, good luck with whatever you decide to get, as long as you are shooting with something other than just your hand.

LOL

[rssfhs]

Don't say that too loud, or you may have trouble finding a buyer.
Also, if you are going to sell it, you'd better hurry. The G5 is already out and so it is fast becoming obsolete.

[hypokondriak]

Have you posted pictures online asking others for assistance?

There are many valuable resources posting on these boards each day that might be able to help you get great pictures out of your g3.

It is definitely possible to get beautiful pictures without tweaking, I've seen it myself here!

If the sale of your g3 is inevitable, good luck with your next purchase.

[new girl on the bloc]

i must say that i do not have to adjust all of my photos. if they are shot in too bright or too dark conditions then i may have to play with them a bit, bit i find that with nearly every camera that i've had.

let us know how it goes!

[FrankG3]

Good - now you can find fault with another camera and post negative comments on another forum ....

[g4mac]

For what it's worth, I've had my G3 for a few weeks now and do like it. However, my older Sony 2.1 Megapixel CyberShot seems to take better pictures right out of the box....very little work in Photoshop Elements, if any. It has nowhere near the features as my G3, but I think it does take better pictures. I wish I could have taken the same picture with both cameras and post them on my site. http://homepage.mac.com/lt_usaf/ Almost all of these shots were taken with the Sony. A few were taken with my G3...

Mike

[hypokondriak]

g4mac wrote:
For what it's worth, I've had my G3 for a few weeks now and do like it. However, my older Sony 2.1 Megapixel CyberShot seems to take better pictures right out of the box....very little work in Photoshop Elements, if any. It has nowhere near the features as my G3, but I think it does take better pictures. I wish I could have taken the same picture with both cameras and post them on my site. http://homepage.mac.com/lt_usaf/ Almost all of these shots were taken with the Sony. A few were taken with my G3...

Mike

The question is do you think this is a limitation of your skills or a limitation of the g3?

I've taken some really BAD pictures with the g3, but in every one of these situations I could explain why it is bad... I either made a mistake with one of my settings, incorrectly use of a flash, not using a flash, etc etc etc. The g3 isn't what makes these pictures bad... it is me that makes these pictures bad.

The following isn't directed at you, Mike, but instead to anyone disappointed with or considering the g3 in general. If you buy this camera with the expectation that it will operate as easily as other point and shoot camera's you will probably be disappointed. This is a consumer camera with many professional features. It takes time to learn, and not only an understanding of photography, but also Canon camera's in general.

[FrankG3]

Can't agree with you more, hypokondriak. The G3 is a awesome camera that takes great pictures but it is not your average point and shoot camera.

Come on - give us tips on how to take great photos instead of complaining about the G3 or the G5. Get out there and enjoy your camera and share your experience with us ....

[NILOLIGIST]

FrankG3,

Well put Frank. I agree with you. I have read that you can take great photos with a $10 camera and bad ones with a $1000 camera, it is the photographer that makes the photo.

I do love my G3, I still want a 10D, not because something is wrong with the G3 but I want the DSLR experience, and I want total control over lens types and have many options with my lens.

G3 is the first digital camera, it is my heart and soul. Hopefully, I won't have to sell it to get my 10D, I would love to keep it forever.

In the beginning I took some really bad photos, still do, but I do see a marked improvement and I expect that it will improve even more. To shoot and shoot well, time must be devoted.

When I first got my G3, I shot once in a blue moon and then had the nerve to complain the photos didn't come out. Once I understood that I needed to use my camera everyday or as often as possible, my shots improved. It takes more than accessories to take great photos, it takes lots of practice and a commitment to the art of photography. Some of us want great shots but do not want to do the work that yields great shots.

Now, I really love my G3, I am totally devoted to developing my craft/art/photography, now I must learn all there is to learn and shoot all there is to shoot.

Again, good luck!!

[benca1]

FrankG3 wrote:
Good - now you can find fault with another camera and post negative comments on another forum ....

Oh! Priceless!

What lead me to purchase the G3 was the fact that people who know photography - the so called "experts" - all seemed to find few flaws in the cameras image quality. So I must wonder... do you know more then these people? Do you posess a greater talent for discerning image quality?

Pardon the smart-### tone, but posting a unsubstantiated criticism in the forum that celebrates this little gem of technology warrants, I think, something that amounts to an internet eye rolling.

I am continually amazed with this cameras ability.

As with most things engineered and man made, I find that the real talent comes from working around limitations since limitation are forever a feature of man made items...

Anyway. I just registered to ask a slew of newbie questions and got sidetracked. Off to the main area!

[gman]

Knowing me i think i'd postprocess all my pics even tooked with dslr-s.
I worked as a web designer at a press and photo agency, believe me, every professional photographer there was a good photoshop user also, even if they use slrs and scan the negative even if they use dslrs they allways run theyr photoshop scripts.

[Invasion]

FrankG3 wrote:
Good - now you can find fault with another camera and post negative comments on another forum ....
If you had bothered to read my post I did say if you are happy with your G3 dont find faults with it just because somone has posted a fault with theirs and as you are so obviously in love big time with your G3 why are you so bothered what I say

[g4mac]

hypokondriak wrote:
g4mac wrote:
For what it's worth, I've had my G3 for a few weeks now and do like it. However, my older Sony 2.1 Megapixel CyberShot seems to take better pictures right out of the box....very little work in Photoshop Elements, if any. It has nowhere near the features as my G3, but I think it does take better pictures. I wish I could have taken the same picture with both cameras and post them on my site. http://homepage.mac.com/lt_usaf/ Almost all of these shots were taken with the Sony. A few were taken with my G3...

Mike

The question is do you think this is a limitation of your skills or a limitation of the g3?

I've taken some really BAD pictures with the g3, but in every one of these situations I could explain why it is bad... I either made a mistake with one of my settings, incorrectly use of a flash, not using a flash, etc etc etc. The g3 isn't what makes these pictures bad... it is me that makes these pictures bad.

The following isn't directed at you, Mike, but instead to anyone disappointed with or considering the g3 in general. If you buy this camera with the expectation that it will operate as easily as other point and shoot camera's you will probably be disappointed. This is a consumer camera with many professional features. It takes time to learn, and not only an understanding of photography, but also Canon camera's in general.


I totally agree with you. I do have VERY limited skills, and I am not going to even argue that point, LOL. I admit it, without reservation. All I did was post my personal observation, albeit a rookie one at that, about my initial impression of this camera versus my old camera. I basically put the "R" in rookie when it comes to taking pictures.

Like I said earlier, I've only had the camera for a few weeks and have tons of learning ahead to be able to get the quality I want. I've seen some of the pictures posted here and I'm amazed at how good they are. This is the main reason I joined the forum...to learn from people who know what they're doing. One of these days I'll get brave enough to share some of my pics and hopefully find out what I did wrong and what I can do to improve in the future.

[hypokondriak]

g4mac wrote:
Like I said earlier, I've only had the camera for a few weeks and have tons of learning ahead to be able to get the quality I want. I've seen some of the pictures posted here and I'm amazed at how good they are. This is the main reason I joined the forum...to learn from people who know what they're doing. One of these days I'll get brave enough to share some of my pics and hopefully find out what I did wrong and what I can do to improve in the future.


That's a good attitude to have. Just give it some time and you'll be just fine.

[hypokondriak]

invasion wrote:
If you had bothered to read my post I did say if you are happy with your G3 dont find faults with it just because somone has posted a fault with theirs and as you are so obviously in love big time with your G3 why are you so bothered what I say



Invasion:

What are the faults? If you can provide some specific pictures showing these faults perhaps we can help you overcome them... or confirm that these are indeed faults with the g3.

I think the problem is you are listing faults with very vague support to a group of people that really would like to see you be as successful with your g3 as we have ours.

If you can post a few examples, someone can surely help. In the end, it might be that the g3 just isn't good enough for your standards but why not perform some checks and balances first?

[Beth]

I too, was initially disappointed with the G3 - but then I found out it really is not a point and shoot camera. So I have immersed myself in logging onto this forum every night to read about pros/cons/problems/suggestions, etc. to learn more. I realized early on I was going to need to learn much more about photography. My Olympus C2020 took great shots on auto mode, but I wanted to upgrade to a higher megapixel camera. Plus I really want to learn more about photograhy. I took some really bad shots in the beginning, but with a some setting adjustments and studying each night, i am beginning to get better shots. My real challenge will be this week i am going on vacation and I am leaving my Olympus C2020 home on purpose so I am forced to use the G3. I may not get great photos this trip, but this will be a learning experience and I have to cut the umbilical cord sometime with the Olympus! But one thing I must say, is that I love to read all your opinions, good or bad!!! It is also what makes this forum so interesting! Good luck on whatever camera you do buy!

[dagger]

I know I've said this in the forum for quite a few times, but i know I can't say it enough. Its been a quote told to me by my photography and design professor,I don't know where he got it but it stuck with me throughout the years.

"It's the poor craftsman who blames his tools."

I found the quote on the net and wanted to post this comment on in another perspective for all interested:

"It's the poor craftsman who blames his tools..."
...but it's also the poor craftsman who can't tell the difference.

This is one that I liberated some years back, but I think the extension is my own idea. The original is just focusing on people who want to make excuses for their failures. (The Marine Corps version was "Excuses are like *******s--everyone has one and they all stink.") Blaming the tools is especially convenient because the tools can't say much in response.

My extension is focused on the fact that poor tools really do make a difference, and a good craftsman is going to know about the difference and want to benefit from it. However, it is also one of the marks of the superior craftsman that he will focus more on the goals than the tools, and use whatever tools at hand to achieve the goals. The gifted craftsman with inferior tools will often produce better work than the mediocre craftsman with the best tools.

I got to thinking when i read this; is the G3 a poor tool? For the features it has, I think not. Then, if its not the tool, then where does the problem lie? I've shot some pretty BAD (and I mean mediocre BAD) pictures in my goal to the good ones. Its a long process, but I know in time and alot of practice, my images would be good enough. Hopethis helps. Ciao.

[Dana]

Beth wrote:
I too, was initially disappointed with the G3 - but then I found out it really is not a point and shoot camera. So I have immersed myself in logging onto this forum every night to read about pros/cons/problems/suggestions, etc. to learn more. I realized early on I was going to need to learn much more about photography. My Olympus C2020 took great shots on auto mode, but I wanted to upgrade to a higher megapixel camera. Plus I really want to learn more about photograhy. I took some really bad shots in the beginning, but with a some setting adjustments and studying each night, i am beginning to get better shots. My real challenge will be this week i am going on vacation and I am leaving my Olympus C2020 home on purpose so I am forced to use the G3. I may not get great photos this trip, but this will be a learning experience and I have to cut the umbilical cord sometime with the Olympus! But one thing I must say, is that I love to read all your opinions, good or bad!!! It is also what makes this forum so interesting! Good luck on whatever camera you do buy!


Beth:

I came from an Oly 2020z also, and really loved (and still do love) that camera. Incredibly dependable, shot after shot I got good results. A great point-and-shoot digicam.

But I think you'll be fine w/the G3. My wife, who's never read a single message in this forum or worried about any other camera settting than whether the flash was on or not, has gotten excellent shots w/the G3 when she took it on one of our kids' field trips. 170 or so shots, P mode all the way, no special settings. I did warn her that the autofocus minght hunt once in a while, and to use fill flash when a subject was backlit.

Her only real problem was that someone used the camera to take a pic of her, and managed to change the exposure compensation (thumb on the omni-selector - not intentional) blowing out about 1/3 of the subsequent pictures. :-) So if you hand the G3 to someone else to take any shots, make sure they haven't changed any of your settings when you get it back.

Relax and have fun, and I bet you'll come back w/a lot of great shots.

Dana

[Invasion]

Beth wrote:
I too, was initially disappointed with the G3 - but then I found out it really is not a point and shoot camera. So I have immersed myself in logging onto this forum every night to read about pros/cons/problems/suggestions, etc. to learn more. I realized early on I was going to need to learn much more about photography. My Olympus C2020 took great shots on auto mode, but I wanted to upgrade to a higher megapixel camera. Plus I really want to learn more about photograhy. I took some really bad shots in the beginning, but with a some setting adjustments and studying each night, i am beginning to get better shots. My real challenge will be this week i am going on vacation and I am leaving my Olympus C2020 home on purpose so I am forced to use the G3. I may not get great photos this trip, but this will be a learning experience and I have to cut the umbilical cord sometime with the Olympus! But one thing I must say, is that I love to read all your opinions, good or bad!!! It is also what makes this forum so interesting! Good luck on whatever camera you do buy!

Thank you... it is nice to know that there are some people in the forum that are opened minded and listen to other peoples opinions good or bad, that is the only way you can be truely objective and make an informed decision. At the end of the day it just boils down to the fact that the G3 isnt for me which I am disappointed about

Regards

[kowen]

Invasion,
Did you try increasing your sharpness settings for the G3? It seems that other cameras may have higher default sharpness settings in camera, producing sharper pics right out the camera.

I have increased my sharpness settings, but really need to print some of my results to see if they look oversharpened. Seems my monitor shows a bit softer than what can print up.

If you shoot in jpeg with increased sharpnes, they will come out very sharp, but you can't change the white balance. You could always save the original in a lossless TIFF format. Sorry to hear about your disappointment.

Kerry

[2Hog]

People [photographers] bring different things to a party. We bring different expectations, needs and skill levers. Sounds to me like the G3 party is just not Invasions cup of tea. Easy to understand - that is why they make so many competitive products.

Invasion - good luck in your search for a new camera. Heck fire - after yout search you may even come back to our G3 party. I hope so!

2 Hog

[FrankG3]

invasion wrote:
FrankG3 wrote:
Good - now you can find fault with another camera and post negative comments on another forum ....
If you had bothered to read my post I did say if you are happy with your G3 dont find faults with it just because somone has posted a fault with theirs and as you are so obviously in love big time with your G3 why are you so bothered what I say



I think most people log on to this type of forum to learn more about their camera and to pick up tips from people that have more experience. I think it is realy irritating that there are others that use the forum to continue to complain about the camera. One is also not sure what their motives are ......

If you are so unhappy with your G3, just sell it as you said you would. The question then is - what are you still doing on the G3 forum ?????

[Dana]

Frank:

Invasion's comments were not inflammatory and do not seem troll-like, if that's what you're implying. I also doubt he is a Nikon agent. :-) His posts asking for assistance on this board that I remember have been friendly and directed at improving his results w/the camera.

If you don't get anything out of this thread you can simply ignore it. Criticism or complaining about the G3 is definitely appropriate on this webboard, and typically results in sharing of experiences and information that is very helpful to the complainer and the rest of us. That very spirit is evidenced in this thread.

Dana

[FrankG3]

dana wrote:
Frank:

Invasion's comments were not inflammatory and do not seem troll-like, if that's what you're implying. I also doubt he is a Nikon agent. :-) His posts asking for assistance on this board that I remember have been friendly and directed at improving his results w/the camera.

If you don't get anything out of this thread you can simply ignore it. Criticism or complaining about the G3 is definitely appropriate on this webboard, and typically results in sharing of experiences and information that is very helpful to the complainer and the rest of us. That very spirit is evidenced in this thread.

Dana

Dana

I don't want to get into an argument with you - it is counterproductive. If we can learn from complaints and criticisms the I agree with you - you yourself complained about the Autofocus but gave solutions and alternative views. I have complained about the OVF but also mentioned how good the swivel LCD is. I must have missed all the 'friendly' posts by invasion since I am fairly new to the forum but the only other thread I saw was where he complained about how inferior the G3 is compared to a Sony 717 and how it was simply impossible to get sharp pictures. I am sorry but such statements are utter nonsense !!!

Anyway - I will follow your advice and ignore this type of thread in future. I just want to learn how to use my camera better and this forum can be of great help.

[hypokondriak]

I tend to agree with Frank. I asked several times to see some pics in this thread and those requests were ignored.

Sorry, it just seems fishy to me when someone rips on a camera and then won't provide any evidence.

Just my .02

[Dana]

Thanks for your measured responses, Frank and Hypokondriak.

Hypokondriak: The lack of pictures posted made sense to me - sounds like he has made his decision and isn't interested in being talked back into the camera. Not much benefit to him in posting. Might even be a bit scary, if it seems that we're all poised to say "But those are GREAT pictures!" ;-)

If you do a quick search on Invasion's posts to this forum (and I have) you won't (IMHO) see any suspicious pattern, just someone trying to figure out things that confused or frustrated him. His departure isn't too surprising, given the troubles he's had. :-)

I think we'll be better off if we give folks the benefit of the doubt, and not get into to much "moderating" as a hobby. Tends to lead to more problems than simply ignoring threads that don't twirl your propeller. I keep out of other threads on this board that I feel are silly or potentially trollish, but I don't feel that I should wade into them to tell other people what they should or should not talk about. :-) Too much other good stuff here to read.

Dana

[scottmichaels]

I upgraded from a G1 to the G3. Found the G3 had a much
higher learning curve. Was that bad, no. I just meant that
I was going to have to work a little harder. So, that gives
me the excuse to take more pictures :-)

The G1 seemed simpler to me, but the G3 capabilities more
than outweight the learning curve.

And while I'm here, I'll throw in my two cents about this
forum. I have GREATLY enjoyed the postings here and have
learned a great deal, helping this Rookie photographer gain
more experience and better pictures. If you're unhappy
with your G3 because you wanted a point and shoot
camera, by all means, sell it and get something that will
make you happy. Life is too short not to enjoy it. As for
me, my pictures are improving, I'm enjoying the learning
curve for all it's worth, and I hope the next camera I get
will push me even harder.

[benca1]

My problem with the post was the utter lack of substance and intelligent critque that came with the statement of opinion. Say what you want, take the heat, but please back yourself up.

Not everything is warm and fuzzy. Most of us develop and learn quickly when things are farthest from warm and fuzzy. I appreciate the defense of invasion from Franks pointed questions and comments, but answering Frank intelligently and fully could end up being a very informative thread where everyone benefits. But instead, it's back to duck and cover and sparing someones feelings at the expense of accountability and meaningful debate. I'm all for sparing feelings, but when tell Mac users that you're buying a PC, Ford people that you're buying a Chevy, Democrats that you're going Republican, then c'mon, don't whine about peoples closed minds!

[hypokondriak]

dana wrote:
Thanks for your measured responses, Frank and Hypokondriak.

Hypokondriak: The lack of pictures posted made sense to me - sounds like he has made his decision and isn't interested in being talked back into the camera. Not much benefit to him in posting. Might even be a bit scary, if it seems that we're all poised to say "But those are GREAT pictures!" ;-)

If you do a quick search on Invasion's posts to this forum (and I have) you won't (IMHO) see any suspicious pattern, just someone trying to figure out things that confused or frustrated him. His departure isn't too surprising, given the troubles he's had. :-)

I think we'll be better off if we give folks the benefit of the doubt, and not get into to much "moderating" as a hobby. Tends to lead to more problems than simply ignoring threads that don't twirl your propeller. I keep out of other threads on this board that I feel are silly or potentially trollish, but I don't feel that I should wade into them to tell other people what they should or should not talk about. :-) Too much other good stuff here to read.

Dana

heheh so isn't saying that we shouldn't moderate actually moderating in a way? :D

sorry... couldn't resist. :)

[Dana]

heheh so isn't saying that we shouldn't moderate actually moderating in a way?

sorry... couldn't resist.

Well said. :-) Since I was moderating against moderating, I felt my position had a kind of existential quality that... Oh heck, I figured someone would tag me on it - glad it was you.

Back to takin' pick-tures. ;-)

Dana

[hypokondriak]

yes. let's do that!