10D vs. D30

[John - NJ]

I'm thinking about upgrading from a D30 to a 10D. For those of you that have tried both, is the 10D a big improvement?

I do a lot of post-processing with the D30 - White balance, color correction, profiles, curves, sharpening, etc. Is all of that still necessary with the 10D?

I want to upgrade to make my life a little simpler and easier. I don't want to spend the money if I'm still going to be doing the same routine.

Thanks.

[Trumper]

John ,i'm in the same position as you,i have a d30 & i'm keeping an open minded interest in the d10,so anyone out there help please,Ta

[Jeppe]

From D30 to 10D, yes i would say go.. From D60 to 10D, well if you need relably AF in low-light conditions.

John: Well it all comes down how well you expose your images.. ;)

I must say that the AWB on 10D does a good job. When youre shooting night-shots you cant really use AWB.

Sharpening is a must for crisp images.

Also the 10D is much more easy to operate.

Still the D30 is a good camera.

[Yapu]

I have both D30 & 10D

10D is a totally new camera, quite many improvements.

I tried D60, shoot both D30 & D60 at same time,
did not find difference in pics, maybe with A3 size
good printer could see some difference,
D60 somehow seemed a little noisier with high ISO
than D30. Didnt buy the D60,

Now I am happy with my 10D.
AF is better, also light metering seems better,
Fast, less noise.
More custom functions.
(Av / Tv safety shift very nice).

But my next camera will definitely be a full frame, when
a reasonable cheap one comes available,
Focal lenghts of all my lenses are now, not what they
were meant for originally :(

I hope this helps.

[BobbyC]

I just got My 10D yesterday and shot with it at lunch today for a little while. The AF is soooo much better. The noise in the high ISO range looks greatly improved but I haven't had time to look real close at them yet.

I went from the D30 as well and am very pleased so far. The more time that goes by, the less you'll be able to get for that D30 (unless you are keeping it). I sold mine for 800.00 and that went a long way on the 10D.

Cheers,
Bobby

[lightandlife]

BobbyC wrote:
I just got My 10D yesterday and shot with it at lunch today for a little while. The AF is soooo much better. The noise in the high ISO range looks greatly improved but I haven't had time to look real close at them yet.

I went from the D30 as well and am very pleased so far. The more time that goes by, the less you'll be able to get for that D30 (unless you are keeping it). I sold mine for 800.00 and that went a long way on the 10D.

Cheers,
Bobby

I hear there is autofocusing problem with 10D. So I went to a shop and tested it. It looks OK. Perhaps Koreans got a bad batch or they are not using good lenses. Despite these warnings, I bought it and have not shot any thing yet. Life is too short to complain about it. Enjoy the sunshine while you can. Waiting several years for another perfect digital camera to appear for less than $1000 seems to be pointless.

I am keeping D30 also. It is a good camera, and can serve as second with a prime lens.

Thanks go to all the researchers to come up with such a nice camera. Let us drink to that.

lightandlife

[Roger_Cavanagh]

John - NJ wrote:
I'm thinking about upgrading from a D30 to a 10D. For those of you that have tried both, is the 10D a big improvement?

Used to have a D30. The 10D has more pixels which is nice and helps for when cropping, much better noise, much less focus hunting.

I do a lot of post-processing with the D30 - White balance, color correction, profiles, curves, sharpening, etc. Is all of that still necessary with the 10D?

I used to shoot raw and use the LinearSharpen method, which included everything you mention. Can't use this method with the 10D, so this stuff _has_ to be considered but I don't adjust white balance or colour on every picture (but I never had to with the D30 either). You still need profiles and sharpening on every picture.

The workflow is different from the D30, but I wouldn't say simpler.

The 10D isn't any more a P&S camera than the D30 was, so...

I want to upgrade to make my life a little simpler and easier. I don't want to spend the money if I'm still going to be doing the same routine.

Thanks.

Have you tried the LinearSharpen method with your D30 (http://www.rogercavanagh.com/actions/05_lsm.htm)?

And you might like to look at Capture One DSLR LE: http://www.pictureflow.com/CaptureOne/Pages/C1-Main.html.

Regards,

[John - NJ]

I decided to wait on the DSLR. Instead I purchased a Canon S50. I'm thrilled with the camera. The photos are excellent right out of the camera. No processing at all. Color, exposure, focus, etc. are all good as is. I've never used auto mode in any camera except this one. Just download the JPG's and print. I'm using dotphoto for alot of 4x6 prints at 18 cents each and everyone thinks they're great.

[Guillermo Freige]

John:
If you think JPEG is good, try RAW and convert it to 16-bit TIFF, and you will get ever better results, mostly if you postprocess it in photoshop or similar programs.

[Griffin]

Actually there is no contest. :D

As a user of D30 for a little over 2 years, I am still saving up for a 10D -- which is a little over a week away. Here are the things that I like on 10D.

1. 7-points focus
2. On-screen indicator of focus in-use
3. Faster focus acquicition (depends on the lens in use)
4. Back-lit top LCD
5. Magnesium-alloy body
6. Faster read-write (except for MD :( )
7. More accurate metering (but still a little behind Nikon)
8. Excellent low-noise (for = 1 sec exposure)
10. Very usable ISO800;
11. Arguably usable ISO1600;
12. ISO3200 possible!!!
13. Most D30 accessories resuable
14. Brighter focus screen
15. Better UI arrangements
16. Image viewable up to full zoom on back LCD
17. Better E-TTL flash algorithum
18. Less expensive
19. Quieter shutter noise
20. AF-assist light finally gone
21. More logical menu design.
22. Auto orientation sensor
23. AdobeRGB colour space
24. Colour temperature selectable
25. Lower power consumsion.

Sorry for the long post, eh! ;) (Oh, did I miss anything?)

D60 uses may notice that some of the features on the above list is actually in D60, but well, I am upgrading from D30. :)

My. $.02.


Griffin.

[BobbyC]

I like all the things listed above but #6. I can't really tell a difference. I never had a problem with the speed of the D30 either. My buyer backed out of the D30 after I bought the 10D, so I'm just going to keep it as a backup.

[Griffin]

BobbyC wrote:
I like all the things listed above but #6. I can't really tell a difference. I never had a problem with the speed of the D30 either. My buyer backed out of the D30 after I bought the 10D, so I'm just going to keep it as a backup.

I checked both DPReview and Rob Galbraith's sites and for the same card, 10D is faster. But I agree the difference may not be noticable from the hard numbers alone.

And yes, I am keeping my D30 as backup. :)


Griffin.

[Griffin]

...how could I forget that the 10D is a 6MP camera instead of 3MP!!!

And I don't work for Canon. I think Canon Hong Kong should give me USD50.00 rebate after posting such a list. :D

Remember: the camera is just a tool. It is your technique and creativity that counts
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[CyberDyneSystems]

26 ) 6 megapixels :)
27 ) Better color rendition.
28 ) Will focus under darker conditions with smaller apertures

[Motorsports Photo]

As a D30 user that now has a 10D:

10D does have MUCH better auto focus.

Zoom button is handy for checking shots.

Camera is "ready" much quicker when taking multiple shots.

Metering is stiill variable. Right now my best correction is to shoot at 1 stop under, or suffer dreadful overexposures.

I have to do archiving much more often because of the larger file sizes!!

-Pete