[[Unofficial Rumor Thread]] (Merge City)

[FlyingPete]

In this day of fancy editing software, Google image searches semi predictable trends etc, it is easy to come up with hoaxes that seem to carry some weight, or look authentic enough.

Take the stock images of a EOS300x film camera, chop the side off so it is the same proportions of a DSLR (film SLR's are wider on the opposite side from the grip to take the film, it is one way to tell a film SLR from a digital), grab some parts of other cameras, mesh it all together and rename it and presto, the 'latest' model:
http://www.lowden.net.nz/Stuff/3000DFront.jpg
http://www.lowden.net.nz/Stuff/3000DBack.jpg

[JBF]

I still can't believe that everyone is so anxious to jump ship as soon as the "next best camera" comes along. Why not just buy a medium format with 39megapixels. However, if you have no skills you are just taking snapshots with a really expensive camera. Something the next best camera cannot do for you....which is take really good pictures..wouldn't it be nice if canon made a camera that came with a skills button!!!!

[FlyingPete]

I still can't believe that everyone is so anxious to jump ship as soon as the "next best camera" comes along. Why not just buy a medium format with 39megapixels. However, if you have no skills you are just taking snapshots with a really expensive camera. Something the next best camera cannot do for you....which is take really good pictures..wouldn't it be nice if canon made a camera that came with a skills button!!!!


I think the interest is due to the fact than many of us are gear heads. I like to stay up with what is cool and new, even if I am not considering purchasing. I think the majority of people who partake in these discussions fit into that description. If anything the information is useful as many of us are probably trusted sources of information on the latest and greatest to our friends/family/colleagues.

[EOSAddict]

Pete,

I remember that 3000D floating around just before the 5D came out ;)

[shiato storm]

...wouldn't it be nice if canon made a camera that came with a skills button!!!!
partly but then it would always scream out 'you're crap' the whole time...

[Doom1701e]

I dunno about a 50D but I am thinking the new camera will be called the 538537469473D. Catchy isn't it? ;) Or what about a 20DMKII?

[Tom W]

I dunno about a 50D but I am thinking the new camera will be called the 538537469473D. Catchy isn't it? ;) Or what about a 20DMKII?

Nope - I heard "8675309". ;)

[sapearl]

You got that right JBF! So many people are totally OBSESSED with the latest greatest camera gear.

I've shot medium format for over 30 years and love it. I am only now considering my first dSLR because the labs are starting to force us in that direction; some will no longer take film at all, while others will no longer make optical prints the old fashioned way: "Take negative, insert in negative carrier, insert in enlarger, turn on enlarger...."

There is no doubt that digital offers some wonderfully creative avenues. I'm enjoying those benefits myself as I dodge, burn and correct my scanned 2 1/4 files in PS. But if you don't understand the basics of photography, you will likely just turn out thousands of average to poor snapshots. But that's good enough for many - why make a proper exposure up front when you can "fix" it later in PhotoShop.

There are many talented people contributing to this forum - I really am impressed by those who have exhibited their talent in both text and image. But I am equally frustrated by those who can't wait to throw their money at the next newest model, which of course is their perogative. "Course, guess I'm just jealous since I don't have the surplus $$$." Pardon the rant, just had to get on the old soap box.:evil:

I still can't believe that everyone is so anxious to jump ship as soon as the "next best camera" comes along. Why not just buy a medium format with 39megapixels. However, if you have no skills you are just taking snapshots with a really expensive camera. Something the next best camera cannot do for you....which is take really good pictures..wouldn't it be nice if canon made a camera that came with a skills button!!!!

[sapearl]

That's a very good point Pete. Discussions don't cost anything. I will be making just a few judicious purchases this year, and I'm finding these forums invaluable. Thanks to the expertise of others here whom I've come to respect, I'll hopfully avoid making some dumb buys.

And if you're not independantly wealthy - and don't still have a kid in college - what better way to spend, than vicariously through others!

I think the interest is due to the fact than many of us are gear heads. I like to stay up with what is cool and new, even if I am not considering purchasing. I think the majority of people who partake in these discussions fit into that description. If anything the information is useful as many of us are probably trusted sources of information on the latest and greatest to our friends/family/colleagues.

[CyberDyneSystems]

I'm waiting for the "90210-D"

... or the
"0U812-D" ;)

[BTBeilke]

Nope - I heard "8675309". ;)

Hey! That's Jenny's number!

[dpastern]

Well, contrary to a few people here, I do think the new model will be named 50D. I doubt the 200D as it generally denotes a lower end model based on a higher end model (in this case based on the 20D). Since, it's a very good bet that it'll be replacing the 20D, that just doesn't cut it. 30D? Nah, too confusing with the D30. 60D? Same, but with the D60. Canon has never had a 40* series model, they've always jumpted from 3* to 5* or vice versa. Check the canon camera history museum if you don't believe me.

If it's a 50D, then it's going to almost certainly be a baby to the 5D, due to the naming convention that Canon uses. In what ways will it be different? Well, the only real ways are cmos size, buffer etc and number of mp. Whilst my gut instinct tells me the 50D will be a full frame unit (priced somewhere between the 20D and 5D), others here will disagree, and say it's going to be a 1.6 cmos chip. There's not too much of a difference in features between the 20D and 5D. Maybe one thing would be environmental sealing, but that would then show the 5D up, and I doubt Canon would want that.

I'd easily settle for a 8mp full frame unit without environmental sealing, based on the current 20D body. There's enough of a difference there to make it worthwhile to Canon, especially if they price the 50D halfway between the 20D and 5D (or thereabouts). And Canon could smartly keep the 20D in the product range and continue to sell it, with maybe a slight price drop to hurt the Nikon D200 unit. Yes, it would hit sales of the 5D I suspect, but the 5D was always overpriced in all honesty. For another 2 grand I could get a 1d mark II here in Australia, why would I really go the 5D?

Many would disagree with my comments here, but I suspect many aren't using plain good ole commonsense.

Dave

[Tom W]

Hey! That's Jenny's number!

Whoops!! Don't you be callin' my Jenny! :)

[SWPhotoImaging]

Just had a look over at dpreview on the thread shiato storm hinted at. Crikey, those guys are brutal to each other!

We all hug trees by comparison!

Yeah, I visit dpr when I need to get slapped around a little. It's a kind of masochistic therapy. It's the only place I know of where everyone is wrong, and everyone else lets them know it.

[subtle_spectre]

Well, whatever comes out, I won't be getting one. I will leverage what I hope will be a quickly diminishing price on "older" models.

[Citizensmith]

I'll get a 1337 D when it comes out. That would be one elite camera. :)

[Ron Lacey]

Looks more like the 5D with a fixed number.

No flash on the 5D the top is seamless and has a bigger hump for the larger pentaprism, this could be a 20D though.

Ron

[jporter12]

I am very interested in what's coming out, myself.... I've found that I really would like to upgrade to a better model, and the XT (350D) just isn't quite what I want. As I see it, about the only hting I'd gain would be the high MP count. I would go for a 20D when I'm ready (tax return time), but if something else is coming out soon after, I may wait. I also may just pick up a 20D that someone doesn't want anymore at that time! I'm anxious to see what's going to go down!

JP

[cjm]

Yeah yeah we all like to guess what the 20D's replacement will be. Will it be a confusing 30D? Will it be a 21D? Will it be a Canon 10,000? Seems like no one really knows.

Is it possible the next 20D will be canon trademarked name ELAN? Now wait hear me out before you dismiss this. ELAN film cameras were very very popular just like the Rebel film was. The 10D/20D are a long the same lines as the Elan 7's. Could it be possible we'll see a Canon ELAN - D sometime soon?

Forgive me if this has been put out there already. I just figure we have not seen the last of ELAN.

Possible? Maybe not... then again never say never?

[Fade2]

I thought it was the 20d a

[cjm]

maybe they can call it the 20d N? Seems like Canon likes the letter N?

[jporter12]

Is this going to become the "Official Camera Speculation" thread?

I'm putting in a vote for the name to be 20D MKII, around 10.5 MP, still 1.6x crop (Canon's NOT going to have just 1 model of camera that uses EF-S lenses, and maybe a FEW other improvements. I personally don't think it's gonna be that big of an upgrade, seeing the 5D is so new, and if they upgrade the 20D too much, it will BE a 5D.

Just my thoughts on that!

JP

[photobitz]

I've shot medium format for over 30 years and love it. I am only now considering my first dSLR because the labs are starting to force us in that direction

I recently read in a book that there were digital "backs" for some medium format cameras (Bronica springs to mind). If that were true, you might still have some fun in medium format if you could find one...

I have no idea how it would work though since digital cameras are so much more complex as far as electronic timings etc. (At least I think... maybe I'm just overcomplicating it in my head...)

[willg]

Canon's NOT going to have just 1 model of camera that uses EF-S lenses


so true. I think that they will also keep the resolution well below the 5d in order to further the separation. I can see 10mp being a very valid possibility. I would like to see a larger viewfinder and more control buttons for things such as iso, focus mode, etc. maybe have a few custom buttons that can be configured to do various functions

[shiato storm]

I recently read in a book that there were digital "backs" for some medium format cameras (Bronica springs to mind). If that were true, you might still have some fun in medium format if you could find one...

I have no idea how it would work though since digital cameras are so much more complex as far as electronic timings etc. (At least I think... maybe I'm just overcomplicating it in my head...)
these digital backs cost the same as a small country though...

[RobKirkwood]

Elan is a marketing name used by Canon for North America (likewise for Rebel/Rebel XT) ...your Elan 7 is known as the EOS-33 everywhere else in the world, and the Elan 7e is the EOS-30 (which has eye control).

Don't know why Canon thinks you guys need names rather than numbers, but as you didn't get an Elan-D when we got the 10D or 20D, I think it's very unlikely you'll see the name on any 20D replacement.

[chris clements]

these digital backs cost the same as a small country though...
Wales for a Leaf seems a pretty fair trade to me

[foxbat]

Yeah, I visit dpr when I need to get slapped around a little. It's a kind of masochistic therapy. It's the only place I know of where everyone is wrong, and everyone else lets them know it.There was an old proverb going around in the early 90s applied to usenet that could be adapted to dpreview:

"Ask not of dpreview for they will tell you yes, no and f*** off all at once"

[shiato storm]

yeah, fair point...hangon, wales has some awesome mountain biking though...

[chris clements]

What breed of sheep is a "biking"?

[shiato storm]

one that weird people don't b*gger...

[Jesper]

I thought it was the 20d a
No, the 20Da is a version of the 20D that's specially adapted for astrophotography. It's been around for a while now, and it's not a replacement for the 20D.

In case you haven't noticed yet, a lot of people expect that Canon is going to come out with the successor to the 20D in February. Canon usually has two moments in the year that they announce new products: at the end of February and at the end of August.

The life cycle of the non-1D-series DSLRs has been around 18 months for the last few years. The 20D was announced in August 2004, so it will be 18 months old in February. So it looks like it's time for an upgraded model.

About the name Elan: It could be, it's not such a crazy idea that Canon would call it Digital Elan (just like we have Digital Rebel). However, those names are only used in the USA. Here in Europe we are using numbers, such as 300D (Digital Rebel) and 350D (Digital Rebel XT).

So even if the new one would be called Digital Elan in the USA, it will most likely be called something like 50D here in Europe.

My guess for the specs of the 50D / Digital Elan:

- around 10 megapixels
- around 5 fps
- 1.6x crop factor
- big 2.5 inch LCD screen (just like the 5D and 1D Mark II N)
- 9+6 point AF system of the 5D

It will not have a spot meter, it will not have ISO in 1/3 stops - those are features that Canon reserves for the 5D and 1D-series models.

[EOSAddict]

Don't know why Canon thinks you guys need names rather than numbers

There IS an answer to that :lol:

[sapearl]

I actually considered that for about 5 minutes until I checked pricing - cheapest back STARTED around $9,000 to start. That was with a tether going back to either a laptop or some sort of cumbersome storage unit; not the most portable of solutions. This seemed more suited to a studio situation - not your convenient "street shooter" camera.

But that $9K is actually a bargain - Imacom/Hasselblad recently announced their 39MP $42,000 back. I should run right out and get the six-pack! Not in my lifetime :eek:

I recently read in a book that there were digital "backs" for some medium format cameras (Bronica springs to mind). If that were true, you might still have some fun in medium format if you could find one...

I have no idea how it would work though since digital cameras are so much more complex as far as electronic timings etc. (At least I think... maybe I'm just overcomplicating it in my head...)

[sapearl]

Do you mean Chris you wailed when you saw the price of a Leaf?

Wales for a Leaf seems a pretty fair trade to me

[Carzee]

30D -50D - its so 2003.

Lets revamp the line. Be creative.

"Canon DEOS" for top end/pro?

[RobKirkwood]

There IS an answer to that :lol:
Couldn't possibly comment ;)

[dpastern]

***Rather annoyed*** I just spent 20 bloody minutes typing a response for the "Possible? Maybe not" thread, only to click post, find that I've been logged out, and that it's an invalid thread! Using the back button of my browser and all of the text that I typed is gone. Then I notice that the whole bloody post has been removed, and only part of it almagated into this thread. grrr...

Dave

[M2One]

Who cares about the model number!

Does it matter? I want specs and sample photos!:rolleyes:

[chris clements]

Do you mean Chris you wailed when you saw the price of a Leaf?
I've been to both Cleveland and Wales. So now there's nowhere else of significance in the world to travel to, I can start saving up for my Leaf!

[shiato storm]

seen a leaf back being used on a hassleblad, tethered to an hdd beneath it on the same tripod - to control it and view the sample images was a PDA. good little system actually, problem was it started to rain a bit at the time so had to have an umbrella over it all...

[chris clements]

problem was it started to rain a bit at the time.
No use in Wales then. Or Seattle.

[shiato storm]

yeah, but once you've sold wales and bought your leaf back you might be able to buy somewhere nice like a south pacific atoll with the change...?

[photobitz]

yeah, but once you've sold wales and bought your leaf back you might be able to buy somewhere nice like a south pacific atoll with the change...?

Hmmm... So then how much you reckon you could get for Wales on Ebay?

[chris clements]

Hmmm... So then how much you reckon you could get for Wales on Ebay?
with or without Charlotte Church?
You're not foolin anyone, 'Bitz - you're only after the sheep!

[In2Photos]

Ok, I have the latest information on the camera replacing the 20D. It is going to be called the Double D.:lol: For obvious reasons it will be FF, so you have to get closer to your "subject" to get "them" all on the "sensor".:p


Seriously, what does everyone think about the 25D? Why do we have to jump to 50? Since I just got my XT last month I won't be buying one but I am a total gear head. Not just photography either. I am a gear head for most consumer electronics.

[photobitz]

with or without Charlotte Church?
You're not foolin anyone, 'Bitz - you're only after the sheep!

Hey! I'm from Australia not New Zealand!
Now if there were cattle....

[EOSAddict]

with or without Charlotte Church?
You're not foolin anyone, 'Bitz - you're only after the sheep!

Has to be with ;)

[CyberDyneSystems]

I'm still waiting for the D200SUX .....

[shiato storm]

hang on lets look at this rationally, charlotte church drinks a lot and sings a bit...but her charm is somewhat hindered by her ability to drink the entire welsh rugby team under the table. ok, sell her with wales. i'm sure there's a small 3rd world country that could put her to good use.

[roanjohn]

This will be the digital version of the EOS 3!!! EOS 3D!!! with eye control.

So what does this mean??

45 pt AF.............20 visible.......and the others are invisible......with 4 invisible points concentrated in the center focus.

1.6X crop factor..........
Semi-sealed body (ala Nikon D200).
Priced at 1600 USD.

Of course.....it will have a 2.5 LCD......ISO 100-3200.....Picture style......

How do I know?? I have my sources ;-)

Ro1

[roanjohn]

I'm still waiting for the D200SUX .....

Thats already OUT!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

[SuzyView]

You know, since Nikon came out with the D200, I've been really excited, because Canon will have to respond in some way with something wonderful, as always. Still love my 20D, won't change a thing, but it is fun to anticipate the next move. ;)

SuzyView

[sapearl]

I like the way you think Chris - hope we treated you well during your Cleveland visit; fantastic museums, great park system, excellent culture....

I had been considering the leaf, Phase One, and a few other digital backs since I really don't want to give up on my kit of Hassy gear and all those wonderful Zeiss lenses. But since I do no real studio work and must be easily mobile - weddings, bar mitzvah's, anniversaries, etc. - something slow and bulky with a tether isn't the way to go for my purposes. I would need something like constant studio/catalog/fashion work to cost justify buying one of those pricy backs. Hence my drooling for a 5D as a potential replacement for the 'blad.

When compared to a medium format digital back, the 5D and all of its features is too attractive to ignore, in spite of its premium price. In the meantime I can patiently wait and see the goodies PMA brings to the marketplace.

I've been to both Cleveland and Wales. So now there's nowhere else of significance in the world to travel to, I can start saving up for my Leaf!

[kawter2]

a quote from a friend of a friend of someone that knows someone's next door neighbor who I know on another forum (to remain nameless) (what does that make us... absolutley nothing)


ok any way

From Canon: The 20D update is rumored to be a 50D. The rumor goes that it will be 10.3mp, 5.5 FPS, have the same focus system as the current 5D.

Other Canon rumors are the introduction of the 1D MK-V. It may be a 20mp camera with a 12mp high speed cropped mode. There is also a suggestion of a 1Ds MKIII that will keep it's current configuration and add a cropped mode too. So which one to choose.

There are 2 rumors lenses to boot. A 55mm F1.2 L and the earlier rumored 85mm F1.2 L MKII. Denis Reggie recently (2 weeks ago??) sold all his 85mm F1.2 lenses here on the Buy & Sell forum - and that is not a rumor

These are just rumors and everyone must remember that. You have to wade thru them carefully, but the point is there usually is some form of truth hidden in there somewhere. I say that so NO ONE makes plans based on rumors. On the other hand, there will logically be new cameras at PMA. What they are is what I am waiting to see.

[Atlasman]

I take it that it will be a 1.6 crop?

[kawter2]

I take it that it will be a 1.6 crop?

Yah not a chance that would be FF.. It isnt the market..

[Atlasman]

Yah not a chance that would be FF.. It isnt the market..

My next will be FF—and I'll keep my 20D.

[Tom W]

a quote from a friend of a friend of someone that knows someone's next door neighbor who I know on another forum (to remain nameless) (what does that make us... absolutley nothing)


ok any way

From Canon: The 20D update is rumored to be a 50D. The rumor goes that it will be 10.3mp, 5.5 FPS, have the same focus system as the current 5D.

The specs fall within the reasonable range. Probably would share some other hardware with the 5D as well - big buffer, big screen, maybe a bit more viewfinder size as well.

Other Canon rumors are the introduction of the 1D MK-V. It may be a 20mp camera with a 12mp high speed cropped mode. There is also a suggestion of a 1Ds MKIII that will keep it's current configuration and add a cropped mode too. So which one to choose.

I would think that there's some crossed wires there, unless one emphasizes the speed, the other emphasizes high megapixel resolution, and there's plenty of overlap and closer prices. Maybe some rumors are getting mixed together.

There are 2 rumors lenses to boot. A 55mm F1.2 L and the earlier rumored 85mm F1.2 L MKII. Denis Reggie recently (2 weeks ago??) sold all his 85mm F1.2 lenses here on the Buy & Sell forum - and that is not a rumor.

The lens rumor has some merit. The 85 doesn't present distance information for E-TTL II, and it is reputed to have slow AF (which isn't a problem in studio situations). The 55, if there is going to be one, will likely share a great deal of its build with the 85 II (if there is one). And both would compete with the two new Zeiss "F" mount lenses coming out.

Not much help for the ultra-wide-angle guys, though.

These are just rumors and everyone must remember that. You have to wade thru them carefully, but the point is there usually is some form of truth hidden in there somewhere. I say that so NO ONE makes plans based on rumors. On the other hand, there will logically be new cameras at PMA. What they are is what I am waiting to see.

As the rumors converge from certain sources, they will become more accurate and more believable. Canon loves the leak game. :)

[Ikinaa]

Saw this somewhere else : Canon 30D and 370D: http://www.pconline.com.cn/digital/dc/daogou/market/0601/749315_5.html

[I Simonius]

My next will be FF—and I'll keep my 20D.

Likewise,also , as well,me too;)

[roanjohn]

The lens rumor has some merit. The 85 doesn't present distance information for E-TTL II, and it is reputed to have slow AF (which isn't a problem in studio situations). The 55, if there is going to be one, will likely share a great deal of its build with the 85 II (if there is one). And both would compete with the two new Zeiss "F" mount lenses coming out.

:)

BRING IT ON WITH THE 55 F1.2!!!!!

Ro1

[In2Photos]

BRING IT ON WITH THE 55 F1.2!!!!!

Ro1

Yeah, but can you afford that and your 1 or 5 series camera?:p

[EOSAddict]

Saw this somewhere else : Canon 30D and 370D: http://www.pconline.com.cn/digital/dc/daogou/market/0601/749315_5.html

Could be wrong but the pics look like a black 300D, mode dial is the old plastic one, not the new metal edged one - and the 18-55 is not a II model.... just a thought.

[kawter2]

BRING IT ON WITH THE 55 F1.2!!!!!

Ro1

I don't know. I don't think the 1.2 is very appealing vs a 1.4.. Im guessing that if they do release the new 55&85 they would have to have 85 f1.8 esque focusing.

If a 55 1.2 focused like the 85 1.8 Id consider it, otherwise, I don't really get it

[kawter2]

Saw this somewhere else : Canon 30D and 370D: http://www.pconline.com.cn/digital/dc/daogou/market/0601/749315_5.html

IMO 30D doesn't make sense due to Canon having a D30.

[Hellashot]

dpreview.com has a thread that shows a 35D with a 35D manual, plus a 50mm f1.2 EF-S attached.

[kawter2]

...50mm f1.2 EF-S attached.


50mm 1.2 EF-S... That isn't going to happen

[EOSAddict]

dpreview.com has a thread that shows a 35D with a 35D manual, plus a 50mm f1.2 EF-S attached.

which thread?

[nitsch]

IMO 30D doesn't make sense due to Canon having a D30.

Personally I don't see why 30D as a name is so implausible. Do Canon really believe that their customers won't know the difference between a 2006 10mp 30D and a 2000 3mp D30... :confused:

To be honest they could call it Dave for all I care, I want to know how it's going to perform not what it's called! :D

[kawter2]

which thread?

engadget has it too

http://www.engadget.com/2006/01/17/is-this-the-canon-eos-30d/

[nitsch]

There are 2 rumors lenses to boot. A 55mm F1.2 L and the earlier rumored 85mm F1.2 L MKII. Denis Reggie recently (2 weeks ago??) sold all his 85mm F1.2 lenses here on the Buy & Sell forum - and that is not a rumor

These lenses sound interesting. I wonder why they would choose to make a 55mm rather than a 50mm 1.2L though? I might hold off getting the 50mm 1.4 for just a few more weeks and watch this space...:)

[Jon]

These lenses sound interesting. I wonder why they would choose to make a 55mm rather than a 50mm 1.2L though? I might hold off getting the 50mm 1.4 for just a few more weeks and watch this space...:)IIRC, now that it's called to my attention, the f/1.2 Canon offered in the old FD days was a 55 as well. So, either they're dusting off the old design and adding EF-style motors or the rumour was sparked by someole looking at the old FD Lens Work book and thinking "What if . . . "

[nitsch]

or the rumour was sparked by someole looking at the old FD Lens Work book and thinking "What if . . . "

LOL! That's probably it Jon! :D Still, it's fun to speculate.

[mdr]

Now Nikon has set a new benchmark with the D200 (according to the D200 review in the British Journal of Photography this week), Canon may be forced into following Adobes example and bring out a beta much earlier than planned to retain its leading position in all DSLR market sectors.

[MrChad]

Now Nikon has set a new benchmark with the D200 (according to the D200 review in the British Journal of Photography this week), Canon may be forced into following Adobes example and bring out a beta much earlier than planned to retain its leading position in all DSLR market sectors.

I don't think the D200 is stealing any Canon DSLR thunder, I think it's keeping Nikon owners shooting Nikon lenses instead of jumping ship to Canon. With models like the 5D and 1D(s) being the only FF 35mm digital formats, no ones selling a horde of EF lenses for the D200.

What the D200 does is allow, is give all those old Nikon shooters a reason to bust out the old manual glass again for once.

[kawter2]

IMO the D200 doesnt have ANY feature that canon didn't have set to trump in their standard product refresh cycle.

Don't get me wrong, it is a kick butt camera, but other than ergonomics and the pretty interface.. what is that ground breaking

[MrChad]

IMO the D200 doesnt have ANY feature that canon didn't have set to trump in their standard product refresh cycle.

Don't get me wrong, it is a kick butt camera, but other than ergonomics and the pretty interface.. what is that ground breaking


I like the fact it has weather seals for the price. I wouldn't mind pro-build and weather seals down the line, I don't totally need FF to get it either. Aside from that, I don't think any firsts come to mind.

[2005GLI]

i say 1DsMKIIIn

[Pekka]

There are 2 rumors lenses to boot. A 55mm F1.2 L and the earlier rumored 85mm F1.2 L MKII. Denis Reggie recently (2 weeks ago??) sold all his 85mm F1.2 lenses here on the Buy & Sell forum - and that is not a rumor

I highly doubt any update to 85/1.2L. Simply because it can not be done with less glass, and the bokeh quality can not be held up with lighter DO elements. And there is no room weight- and size-wise for any bigger power AF system which would have enough juice to push and pull that glass very fast.

Maybe Denis sold few of his because for his shooting style it might be too slow in AF, and modern full frame cameras with very good ISO 1600 let you use 135/2 in same light.

[In2Photos]

I highly doubt any update to 85/1.2L. Simply because it can not be done with less glass, and the bokeh quality can not be held up with lighter DO elements. And there is no room weight- and size-wise for any bigger power AF system which would have enough juice to push and pull that glass very fast.

Maybe Denis sold few of his because for his shooting style it might be too slow in AF, and modern full frame cameras with very good ISO 1600 let you use 135/2 in same light.

So wise, so wise...;)

[I Simonius]

i say 1DsMKIIIn

I say 5D Mk2, 16MP, with mirror lock up button instyead of print button - HOORAY!!!!:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[condyk]

To be honest they could call it Dave for all I care, I want to know how it's going to perform not what it's called! :D

It performs well: sharp, colourful, plenty of contrast, oversaturated at times, good in the RAW tho' battery life can be a little short.

Dave ;)

[In2Photos]

It performs well: sharp, colourful, plenty of contrast, oversaturated at times, good in the RAW tho' battery life can be a little short.

Dave ;)

Sick, Dave! Sick!

[CyberDyneSystems]

Really,...

I heard it back focuses,. it's soft and has red banding...
Way too much sensor "bloom" and lot's of issues with the battery grip.

On the plus side,. ETTL 3 is awesome,.. (though one still needs to get familiar with FEC) and the high ISO noise is reduced again :)





Just sad that Dave beat me to it really... :lol: :lol: :lol:

[kawter2]

I highly doubt any update to 85/1.2L. Simply because it can not be done with less glass, and the bokeh quality can not be held up with lighter DO elements. And there is no room weight- and size-wise for any bigger power AF system which would have enough juice to push and pull that glass very fast.

Maybe Denis sold few of his because for his shooting style it might be too slow in AF, and modern full frame cameras with very good ISO 1600 let you use 135/2 in same light.


Only time will tell..

one point to ponder, Canon's ETTL II is using distance information from the lens to meter flash.. the 85 is one of the few L Lenses that does not transmit that info to the camera


**EDIT** I looked over the lens line up and the 85 is THE only L lens that doesn't transmit distance info to the body

[nitsch]

It performs well: sharp, colourful, plenty of contrast, oversaturated at times, good in the RAW tho' battery life can be a little short.

Dave ;)

LOL! Very good Dave. :lol:

[Pekka]

Only time will tell..

one point to ponder, Canon's ETTL II is using distance information from the lens to meter flash.. the 85 is one of the few L Lenses that does not transmit that info to the camera


**EDIT** I looked over the lens line up and the 85 is THE only L lens that doesn't transmit distance info to the body

Well, it's not exactly done for straight-to-face flash photography, so I do not consider that something I miss in it. :)

[Tom W]

If the "rumourous" images I've seen are any indication, then the 85/1.2L II would be essentially the same lens, but with the newer version of USM autofocus with greater speed and distance information for E-TTL II. It would also have a shorter throw to the focus ring, possibly making manual focus slightly less fine.

[ACDCROCKS]

Wake me up when somethign real is happening ;) na just joking. Something is going on, come in, less than a month we can make it, if we made i 2 months from switching to niko (if anyone questioned about it) theres not much time left. Relax, calm down your hormones,, ;).

[puttick]

All they have to do to satisfy me is drop the 5D price by say 20%, nothing new necessary.

[kawter2]

All they have to do to satisfy me is drop the 5D price by say 20%, nothing new necessary.

They arent marketing that camera to you aparently ;-)

[richardho11]

They arent marketing that camera to you aparently ;-)

LOL!!!!! :lol:

[sapearl]

A sizable reduction would be nice - or if they absolutely refuse to budge on the price of the body, give me 20 - 25% off on the cost of a lens purchased at the same time. This way I could get my 5D AND the 24 - 105mm L without totally breaking the bank.

All they have to do to satisfy me is drop the 5D price by say 20%, nothing new necessary.

[In2Photos]

A sizable reduction would be nice - or if they absolutely refuse to budge on the price of the body, give me 20 - 25% off on the cost of a lens purchased at the same time. This way I could get my 5D AND the 24 - 105mm L without totally breaking the bank.

It would break my bank. Just out of curiosity who is your bank? Maybe I should switch.;)

[Bass Ackwards]

No kidding, who can afford that stuff ? I would have to work like three jobs to afford all the high dollar bodies and glass. And I own my own business which is very profitable. I hate having to work so hard just to support my hobby...LoL If Canon comes out with an 11.2 mp camera body for $1200, sign me up...

[jediforce4ever]

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1019&message=16766111
seems like the body will be smaller than the 20D?
Camera body will also feature smooth curves like the 5D.
Specs still unknown.

[Doom1701e]

Hmm....looks alittle photochopped.

[FlyingPete]

I have done my hoax exam on the image, the grip is exactly the same as the 5D grip from the Canon stock 5D image, same angle as well. The control dial, buttons and shutter release also line up with the stock 5D image.

On the not so good photoshop work the flash pop up button is on an angled part of the body (not likely/possible on a production camera), and just below the Canon logo on the exterior of the pentaprism is a bit dodgy, looks badly fudged.

Last of all no red EF or white EF-S lens mount markers on the front of the body.

My take, a hoax.

[Wazza]

Does looks like a 5D doesn't it. Have you not bought one yet, Pete?
I know you want one. :D

[ron chappel]

I have done my hoax exam on the image, the grip is exactly the same as the 5D grip from the Canon stock 5D image, same angle as well. The control dial, buttons and shutter release also line up with the stock 5D image.

On the not so good photoshop work the flash pop up button is on an angled part of the body (not likely/possible on a production camera), and just below the Canon logo on the exterior of the pentaprism is a bit dodgy, looks badly fudged.

Last of all no red EF or white EF-S lens mount markers on the front of the body.

My take, a hoax.

Your right about the grip being identical to the 5D,but i'd call that a 'no proof either way' ,not a straight out no.It is a canon after all and is meant to look the same as the other models.

The flash pop button is in an odd place (compared to other models) but it certainly wouldn't cause any production problems.
It's a small point but i think i'd prefer it in a corner like that,it would be easier to find.
Just below the canon logo DOES look dodgey! Totally weird in fact.
It could be the odd shaddows.......maybe

The lens mounting marks aren't showing because the lens is blocking the red dot.And as for the white EFs mark-do these cameras actually have one? The 20D doesn't show one either.


Overall i'm definitely tending to think it's NOT a fake. There are many lines,angles and shapes that are incredibly difficult to make from scratch in photoshop.I thought exactly the same about the leaked 5D images.People just don't look hard enough or think very clearly.
Sorry this is starting to sound like i'm talking about you flying pete but no,i'm thinking of all the incredibly weak reasons so many came up with for saying the 5d pics couldn't be real.The same thing is happening now,especially on dpreview and the other such thread on this forum:rolleyes:


edit. oops,the threads have merged

[photobitz]

Seriously now... who cares what it looks like?? The reason you buy the camera is for it's functionality and a picture like that doesn't really give you much in that regard now does it?

Just be patient and wait for the official product launch you techno-photo-junkies!

I'll never be able to afford one, so it doesn't bother me either way.

[ijohnson]

I just can't believe no one has seen these pictures. It is so obviously the new pro-sumer SLR release.

http://www.pbase.com/itj12345/image/55013576

Don't laugh, I spent hours on this.

[Ikinaa]

I just can't believe no one has seen these pictures. It is so obviously the new pro-sumer SLR release.

http://www.pbase.com/itj12345/image/55013576

Don't laugh, I spent hours on this.

At least it's build in some material and not only out of pixels :mrgreen:

[ron chappel]

:lol: :lol: :lol:
can you take a higher res pic? I can't make out the canon logo;)

[chris clements]

Show some decorum, chaps.
Too much frivolity on the day of Minolta's death.
A demise everyone here has played their part in.

[Juan Zas]

I think it´s not ment before (I am not sure) but here is a link with some details (rumors) about the new low-end entry level Canon EOS 3000D ($499):

http://www.livingroom.org.au/photolog/reviews/canon/canon_eos_3000d_dslr.php

[roanjohn]

Yeah, but can you afford that and your 1 or 5 series camera?:p

I can always get the 55 f1.2 when I sell my 85 f1.2 :p !!!

Ro1

[roanjohn]

Show some decorum, chaps.
Too much frivolity on the day of Minolta's death.
A demise everyone here has played their part in.

Nah......they are teaming up with Sony to produce a Canon/Nikon killer.

And before you know it........Zeiss will be making sharp optics for 'em. (They are already doing it with Sony and Nikon).

BUT WHO CARES when we have the 55 f1.2??!!!?? :lol: :lol: :lol:

Ri1

[MrChad]

Seriously now... who cares what it looks like?? The reason you buy the camera is for it's functionality and a picture like that doesn't really give you much in that regard now does it?

Just be patient and wait for the official product launch you techno-photo-junkies!

I'll never be able to afford one, so it doesn't bother me either way.

Ditto, I want specs, and prices. I'd also like to know what new features I'll be getting for my large sums of cash.

I'm more excited about the possibility of the 3000D cheapy rumor. That would be even better IMO. A great 2nd body if you ask me. Again tell me specs, features, and price.

All SLR's look the same when it's on your face with lens on the front.

[kawter2]

IMO the 3000D is the most believable roumor so far (in response to the Noink D50) and the image is the best looking that i have seen as well. If i were in vegas i'd but a few$$ on this

[Hellashot]

which thread?

here: http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1019&message=16766111

and here: http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1019&message=16769132

and here: http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1019&message=16748477

[boBquincy]

Minolta played the biggest part in their own demise.

I had all Minolta equipment for many years but when it was time to go digital they dragged their feet for far too long with only rumors instead of product. In 2001 I sadly switched to Canon (D30) and sold all my Minolta cameras and lenses.
I have no regrets, the Canon equipment has been great.


boB

Show some decorum, chaps.
Too much frivolity on the day of Minolta's death.
A demise everyone here has played their part in.

[Tsmith]

Minolta played the biggest part in their own demise.

I had all Minolta equipment for many years but when it was time to go digital they dragged their feet for far too long with only rumors instead of product. In 2001 I sadly switched to Canon (D30) and sold all my Minolta cameras and lenses.
I have no regrets, the Canon equipment has been great.


boB

Me too and thanks to FM Buy & Sell and the new Minolta 5D I recently sold all my Minolta Lens.

[Citizensmith]

I found this photo of the New Canon. It was on teh intarweb so it must be true. It looks like it is sporting the new 55 f/1.2 lens. I have my sources and he said it was true without laughing too much. So take that Nik0n.

[chris clements]

Minolta played the biggest part in their own demise.

True, but we should remember what we owe to Minolta.
If the 7000 hadn't turned the world upside down, then Canon wouldn'tve had to go back to the drawing board and come up with the all-conquering EF mount.
Old-timers will know what a laughing stock Canon became with the T80, launched practically the same week as the 7000. Autofocus had come of age overnight and made the T80 a dinosaur.

[Tom W]

I have done my hoax exam on the image, the grip is exactly the same as the 5D grip from the Canon stock 5D image, same angle as well. The control dial, buttons and shutter release also line up with the stock 5D image.

On the not so good photoshop work the flash pop up button is on an angled part of the body (not likely/possible on a production camera), and just below the Canon logo on the exterior of the pentaprism is a bit dodgy, looks badly fudged.

Last of all no red EF or white EF-S lens mount markers on the front of the body.

My take, a hoax.

The grip side of the camera is decidedly "5D-ish", up to and including the infrared remote sensor. But the dial is different, and the corners on the dial-side are not at all the same as the 5D. The lens-release button is similar to the 20D. as is the rubber cable connection cover. The lines on the dial-side do look realistic.

The pentaprism housing/flash has an odd sculpted look to it, but I'm not sure if that would be a lighting issue, an odd design, or a photoshop issue. Also, the 5D grip does not look like a proper fit on this body, though it would be nice to have some interchangeability (especially with the metal-housed 5D grip). I'm suspicious. ;)

[ron chappel]

IMO the 3000D is the most believable roumor so far (in response to the Noink D50) and the image is the best looking that i have seen as well. If i were in vegas i'd but a few$$ on this

You are kidding right???:rolleyes:
That image is so fake it's laughable.It's a direct copy of the EOS 3000 film body with a couple of bits added! (it's called the K2 in the usa)
This one has been proven fake over a year(?) ago,yet some are still showing it

Please people ,lets have some common sense

[FlyingPete]

You are kidding right???:rolleyes:
That image is so fake it's laughable.It's a direct copy of the EOS 3000 film body with a couple of bits added! (it's called the K2 in the usa)
This one has been proven fake over a year(?) ago,yet some are still showing it

Please people ,lets have some common sense

Yep its a fake, I thought that was clear when I posted it?

[kenta]

Here comes again .... rumor

It has been top topic in many forum for a few days.

http://www.infodigitalcamera.com/blog/category/canon/

find out yourself ....

[kenta]

There is someone try to point out that the picture of 35D is fake.

Here is his opinion ... I think he has some point when you consider this 35D's picture as a combination from 20D's body and 5D's hand- and vertical grip.

[kenta]

Among those pictures I like this one the most ... it has Eye-Control !!!

Wish it is true ... :)

[CyberDyneSystems]

It would likely have an "e' in the name if it had eye controled focus..

RE: Minolta;
Rumors of there demise may prove to be exagerations,. I do hope so.
But they certainly were one of the companies that failed to make the switch from the relatively slow paced model of a "Camera company" to the now super charged frantic pace of the computer era that Camera compnaies were forced to partake in when the switch from a film driven economy to a computer chips/ram and imaging sensor economy took over. (i'll say again that Canon was, of all Camera companies, in the best postion to handle this new pace as they have been diversely invested in such markets for decades.. and were allready a player in the high paced computer industry.)

Minolta has missed the beat by years.. about three in fact.
There own 7D and 5D are two little too late.. if a basic model like the 7D sans built in image stabilation had been ready to market back when the D60/10D was king.. then Minolta would be in a Totally different position right now. Toss in the built in IS in the body back when the 10D was introduced,. and a HUGE percentage of current Canon devotees may have invested in Minolta systems.

The DSLR Buying spree is allready waining.. (though I;m sure ther is room for sales to still increas) the rate of increase I am sure will be tapering.. and the record lens sales of the last five years Canon has seen (10 million in five years) ..are an indication of just how much Minolta missed the "glory days" of the DSLR introduction to the consumer market.

[roanjohn]

There is someone try to point out that the picture of 35D is fake.

Here is his opinion ... I think he has some point when you consider this 35D's picture as a combination from 20D's body and 5D's hand- and vertical grip.

WOW!!! That 35D looks pretty real............

Ro1

[MrChad]

It would likely have an "e' in the name if it had eye controled focus..

RE: Minolta;
Rumors of there demise may prove to be exagerations,. I do hope so.
...
The DSLR Buying spree is allready waining.. (though I;m sure ther is room for sales to still increas) the rate of increase I am sure will be tapering.. and the record lens sales of the last five years Canon has seen (10 million in five years) ..are an indication of just how much Minolta missed the "glory days" of the DSLR introduction to the consumer market.

A photographer buddy of mine has a Minolta kit when the bodies had eye start up etc. He was really wanting a Maxxum digital but they waited so long he has decided to switched and go Canon (he's the only person I know shooting Minolta), they had all the lenses he wanted too (Minolta did) but they were so rarely in stock, that was a big issue too. He has mostly Sigma glass for this reason...

I wonder if Olympus and Pentax aren't next. They never advertise on TV or local box store adds like Canon and Nikon. I had huge hopes for the olympus 4/3 system, I still love the idea, and personally would find the format just as creative as 3:2 ratio, and they are starting to really have the top notch lenses I would want. But the prices are still so high, I thought 4:3 was going to lower the cost of going digital? I still like the pro-E1, and it finally is getting the pro lenses it deserves, but is it too late?

I hope not, I would love to see 4:3 take off...

[ACDCROCKS]

I had a dream a few nights ago where I had the mark2, oh my was it beautiful... Now I want one :), But thats down the road.

[CyberDyneSystems]

I hope not, I would love to see 4:3 take off...

Ditto,.. it's sooo logical.

[grego]

But I thought the 355020DMKIINIII was coming out in March?!

[mbze430]

Yes...nothing better off to start the new year to get a new 30MP digital back, and a new Canon 1Dsmk3 or 1DsN.....whatever they gonna call it

[shiato storm]

any idea if the new dslr heading this way will be CF or SD memory...since the capacity of sd cards is going up and the contacts on cf's can be broken pretty easily if you get it a little bit wrong, quite a weakness actually. just a thought thats all

[Lotto]

http://www.dphotojournal.com/canon-eos-3d-large/

[mbze430]

I always wanted a 40mm lens in the 135 format....

I dont know why...but hell ya

[ijohnson]

I love the 40 1.2 mock-up. I always thought the 50 1.4 was the greatest, most classic lens to model a camera with (especially straight on from the front). I think if there is a 40 1.2, with a much bigger front lens element, it might just replace the 1.4, assuming the actual diameter of the lens doesn't increase too much.

That said, I think the 50 1.0 would have been a horrible model considering you couldn't really see much of the camera from a front angle.

That is a great body. WOW!! Total crap I'm sure but I found myself saying WOW!!

[ijohnson]

When I'm not taking pictures, I often just put the 1.4 on there and aim it at myself, just to make it look pretty. God that's sad. I hate working 60 hours a week in the winter, in the smog.

As for Minolta, I was really thinking about losing my Minolta XD5 body but now its seems special.

[Ikinaa]

You're all wrong...

Remembering a thread from some time ago : http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=114647

I concentrated again and that's what I came up with. The new is definitely a 4D...

[shiato storm]

wow, out of the smoke it comes...!

[ijohnson]

I'm not letting my hours of work go un-noticed. This is the 35de.

http://www.pbase.com/itj12345/image/55013576.jpg

[Nidz]

lol.. nice work.. looks like a camera for Gumby.

I don't get why they class the 350d different from the 20d. Maybe because of the price. Your not as amatuer if you pay more.

[I Simonius]

lol.. nice work.. looks like a camera for Gumby.

I don't get why they class the 350d different from the 20d. Maybe because of the price. Your not as amatuer if you pay more.


Is the 35D the way of getting over the number 30 being unlucky ( or so I read)?

[ijohnson]

lol.. nice work.. looks like a camera for Gumby.

I don't get why they class the 350d different from the 20d. Maybe because of the price. Your not as amatuer if you pay more.

What? Hmmm. You must be trying to cause a stir, like me with my Gumby camera.

The 350d is the entry-level dslr. that's all. Its not bad or incapable, just the least quality that they are WILLING to build into a camera so that it might attract people to the dslr market. It is truly amazing how awesome that camera is for the price.

If they were willing to make it cheaper, I am sure they would.

Let me put it this way. I would be REALLY disappointed if the 350D was the replacement for the 10D. That's why the 20D is there if you ask me.

[Doom1701e]

http://www.dphotojournal.com/canon-eos-3d-large/

This link has a link to a "30D Rumor" which states the release date is 21FEB2006. Why would the release date be BEFORE PMA even starts???

[Ikinaa]

The next EOS will also be available in a kit to build yourself.
See here :
http://www.canon.co.jp/Camera-muse/design/process/balsa/1_f.html
http://www.canon.co.jp/Camera-muse/design/process/balsa/2_f.html
http://www.canon.co.jp/Camera-muse/design/process/balsa/3_f.html
http://www.canon.co.jp/Camera-muse/design/process/balsa/4_f.html

http://www.canon.co.jp/Camera-muse/design/process/balsa/img/pho_5-1.jpg

[shiato storm]

that canon site is awesome, found it the other day. they make everything up as a balsa model! thats the lightest 1ds that will ever be!

[Hellashot]

Among those pictures I like this one the most ... it has Eye-Control !!!

Wish it is true ... :)

Won't have eye control - too much power needed.

[Doom1701e]

How many MP do those Balsa 1Ds have? I'll take 2.

[shiato storm]

a bit grainy though

[Longwatcher]

This link has a link to a "30D Rumor" which states the release date is 21FEB2006. Why would the release date be BEFORE PMA even starts???

Note if this rumor is correct the "release" date would in actuality be the announcement release date, not the camera release date. Canon has for the past 4 years at least announces a release about 30 days before it becomes available. These announcements tend to come about 3-7 days before a major event (such as PMA 2006). Since PMA starts on 26 Feb an announcement press release could be expected anytime starting on 19 Feb, given the 19th is a Sunday, the 20th would be the earliest expected release of the announcement that would be expected to occur.

If the camera itself is released on Monday 20 Feb (unlikely as the cameras usually become available on a Friday) then an official announcement should come out next week on the camera. Way too early for a typical event announcement.

All this is based on trend analysis and rumors.
We shall see. Me I expect a 20D upgrade camera to be announced between 20 and 26 Feb and with luck a couple new lenses.

[shiato storm]

what ever happens dpreview usually gets a working copy to play with for a preview...

[lmelendez]

A friend of mine, who knows I love Canon cameras, sent me this picture saying: "New Canon Model seems to have nearly everything covered".

http://www.onlinephotographers.com/yabbse/?action=dlattach;topic=45067.0;id=25422;image

After looking at the picture... I had to agree with him :D

[willg]

oooo i wonder how many megapixels?!