[[Unofficial Rumor Thread]] (Merge City)

[Raymate]

Cool, that made me smile :)

Wonder how many firmware updates that would need ;)

[Alan Neilson]

made me smile too, wonder what the waiting list is like

[farrukh]

Is this the one we are waiting for?

[Ronald S. Jr.]

Funny...sure looks like a 10D to me. Seems like they'd make the 20D's successor BETTER looking...not worse.

[richardho11]

People on here have been talking about this for a while now. That photo has been out for several weeks. Everything is over at this forum:

http://www.photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=129278

[Doom1701e]

I FOUND IT! I FOUND IT!!! Evidence of a 35D from the Canon Japan website. I can't belive how small and compact it will be.

http://web.canon.jp/Camera-muse/camera/1997-/cl/1998_bf35d_cl.jpg

[mdr]

I fully agree. Expecting the announcement of a 20D replacement and a 70-200mm f4 L IS lens, as this is a gap in Canon's current f4 L lens lineup.

[mdr]

Are you sure? Maybe that's why the 3D is going to be a bit bigger than the 5D:

[GS Rider]

I've delayed buying the 5D becuase of all this...so hurry up Canon...!

[Jon]

Wonder how many times this has been posted here? It's showed up at least 3 times already on this batch of rumours.

[kaitanium]

oooo eye control, that was sweet on the elans
and a 40mmL? nice

[shiato storm]

thats a PS job, the apperture preview button is in the wrong place and the bas is taken straight from the nikon d2x. and the prism on top is too small.

[sapearl]

There are actually several versions.

According to official Canon specs the pine 1Ds is only 8.6, the mahogany model is 11.6, natural oak is 17.1 and old growth sequoia nears 39MP depending upon how you count the annualar rings. The latter puts it into direct competition with the new Imacon/Hasselblad back.

I'd go for Canon though due to the enhanced weatherproofing gained by using all natural fibers.

How many MP do those Balsa 1Ds have? I'll take 2.

[Rumjungle]

There are actually several versions.

According to official Canon specs the pine 1Ds is only 8.6, the mahogany model is 11.6, natural oak is 17.1 and old growth sequoia nears 39MP depending upon how you count the annualar rings. The latter puts it into direct competition with the new Imacon/Hasselblad back.

I'd go for Canon though due to the enhanced weatherproofing gained by using all natural fibers.

It's nice to know that you can use your 1Ds as a floatation device should the need arise.

[Doom1701e]

This thread is out of freakin' control.........and I just made it one more post longer. Ooops. ;)

[shiato storm]

it might be weatherproof but keep it away from live flames

[Onecctosmall]

Okay, so I'm the noob here. As I see it all the talk is an upgraded 20D and the introduction of a 3D? So my question for everyone is, do you think that Canon will introduce a revised version of the Rebel XT?

[SoaringUSAEagle]

Is there a manual for this thing???? LMAO jk

[lakiluno]

Canon will almost certainly introduce a 350D upgrade sometime in August/September/October if they introduce a 20D upgrade in the next few months.

Leo

[Calzinger]

I fully agree. Expecting the announcement of a 20D replacement and a 70-200mm f4 L IS lens, as this is a gap in Canon's current f4 L lens lineup.
A 70-200mm f/4L with IS? Should I put off buying the 70-200 f/4L and wait for the IS version? Or is this still just some very iffy rumor?
Worse comes to worse, if I get the f/4L and the IS version comes out, I can exchange the non-IS for the IS version and pay the difference.

lakiluno, did the 350d not come out fairly recently? i don't know the exact year, but I thought it was pretty new, at least newer than the 20D.

[Tom W]

A 70-200mm f/4L with IS? Should I put off buying the 70-200 f/4L and wait for the IS version? Or is this still just some very iffy rumor?
Worse comes to worse, if I get the f/4L and the IS version comes out, I can exchange the non-IS for the IS version and pay the difference.

lakiluno, did the 350d not come out fairly recently? i don't know the exact year, but I thought it was pretty new, at least newer than the 20D.

Probably an Iffy rumor. And if they do bring it out, you can tack on $200-400 to its present price.

[defordphoto]

:lol: :lol: :lol: I love merging threads!

[Calzinger]

Probably an Iffy rumor. And if they do bring it out, you can tack on $200-400 to its present price.
Bah, $800 would be a bit too expensive for me anyway. Too bad this is all speculation though!

What would you suggest I do? I'm in desperate need of anew lens soon, and I've decided on the 70-200 f/4L. Should I just get that and try to sell it for an IS version if it comes out in the future?

And anyone happen to know how B&H would handle an exchange (for store credit)? If I wanted to give them my f/4L for the IS version, how much credit could they give?

To a degree though, I'm almost hoping an IS version does NOT come out. I've spent too much time researching and figuring out what to get and adding an IS version would throw my time in the garbage.

[dpastern]

thats a PS job, the apperture preview button is in the wrong place and the bas is taken straight from the nikon d2x. and the prism on top is too small.

mmm looks pretty good to my eyes. I just brighted it up, and if it's a PS job it's been pretty seamlessly done. 3D makes sense actually, Canon gets to use the 3 number, avoid the 30D/D30 issue and keep in touch with the 300D/350D brothers. The prism is lower, much like the eos1n, as it doesn't feature a in built flash. Drop the flash and you can then budget for the eye control, sounds good me. The depth of field preview is on the same side as the eos1n has it, so it's possible.

Dave

[ron chappel]

Okay, so I'm the noob here. As I see it all the talk is an upgraded 20D and the introduction of a 3D? So my question for everyone is, do you think that Canon will introduce a revised version of the Rebel XT?

The big Photokina show in germany is the most likely time for a 350D/rebel XT replacement.
However i really hope they release a minor upgrade at the PMA show next month.The 350D needs a bigger screen in my opinion

[ron chappel]

Are you sure? Maybe that's why the 3D is going to be a bit bigger than the 5D:

That picture seems to be totally fake

Why?
First of all it would be too easy to do in photoslop.It is after all a 1DsmkII with VERY minor changes.That's dead easy to do on a front view 'two dimensional' image.
One of the 35?D images is of a real life 3 dimensional camera.Yes it's a cr*ppy image but it would still be extrememly difficult to fake something like that.

Also why on earth would canon release something like the 3D?? It's just completely weird that they would make something that massively crowds the upper model range.
Remember that they released the 5D only a few months back along with an upgraded 1DmkII.
It's just totally nonsensical

I'm not sure what to think of that 40/1.2 L lens

[PacAce]

Real or not, I sure do like the look of that 3D. It's a little more compact than the 1D2 or the 1Ds2. :)

[ron chappel]

Bah, $800 would be a bit too expensive for me anyway. Too bad this is all speculation though!

What would you suggest I do? I'm in desperate need of anew lens soon, and I've decided on the 70-200 f/4L. Should I just get that and try to sell it for an IS version if it comes out in the future?

And anyone happen to know how B&H would handle an exchange (for store credit)? If I wanted to give them my f/4L for the IS version, how much credit could they give?

To a degree though, I'm almost hoping an IS version does NOT come out. I've spent too much time researching and figuring out what to get and adding an IS version would throw my time in the garbage.


I too can't help but think that a 7-200/4 IS L lens would cost alot more than the current model.I'm pretty sure that's what allways happens when they add IS to a lens

[I Simonius]

Bah, $800 would be a bit too expensive for me anyway. Too bad this is all speculation though!

What would you suggest I do? I'm in desperate need of anew lens soon, and I've decided on the 70-200 f/4L. Should I just get that and try to sell it for an IS version if it comes out in the future?

And anyone happen to know how B&H would handle an exchange (for store credit)? If I wanted to give them my f/4L for the IS version, how much credit could they give?

To a degree though, I'm almost hoping an IS version does NOT come out. I've spent too much time researching and figuring out what to get and adding an IS version would throw my time in the garbage.

Do you NEED IS?
Do you actually need to shoot slow shutter speeds?
If not don't worry - get the f4

[Calzinger]

The 70-200 f/4L has been making me really question whether I should buy it or not because of it's inability to perform in low-light (even if you jack up the iso). A black shot is worth nothing to me obviously. I don't shoot action so the IS would be very much necessary to making it a general lens (which is what I initially wanted with my telephoto).

But seeing as how the 70-200 f/2.8L IS is ~ $600 more than the non-IS version, I'm willing to bet that the 70-200 f/4L IS would be over $1000.

Now that makes me so surprised that the 70-300 IS is only ~ $500. How come I'm not going to get that? I would rather trade off a night ability for quality and just use a kit lens or get a fast lens to handle the lower light.

[kenta]

That picture seems to be totally fake

Why?
First of all it would be too easy to do in photoslop.It is after all a 1DsmkII with VERY minor changes.That's dead easy to do on a front view 'two dimensional' image.
One of the 35?D images is of a real life 3 dimensional camera.Yes it's a cr*ppy image but it would still be extrememly difficult to fake something like that.

Also why on earth would canon release something like the 3D?? It's just completely weird that they would make something that massively crowds the upper model range.
Remember that they released the 5D only a few months back along with an upgraded 1DmkII.
It's just totally nonsensical

I'm not sure what to think of that 40/1.2 L lens

I agree ... the 3D's concept is too much to be true. There is no way Canon will put this thing on the range. This will effect the sale of 5D and 1DmkII,N directly as it jam in the middle. If Canon do that, many pre-owner of 5D and1DmkII,N will question themselves a lot.

I still think that the new successor of 20D will be not too much revolution. Just update something like Eye-control, better pixel-count(around 10Mp, because 5D set the border at 12Mp), picture-styles, large LCD or better focusing system. But of course no weather seal is possible, ... 5D again set this limit by its high price tag while lack of weather seal.

best regards,

[ijohnson]

Could it really be possible that the 20D replacement would come with the vertical grip? That's a big jump in itself. Also, no internal flash? I always figured those two things were the hallmark of prosumer. It would need to be a bit more expensive, say 2000 USD.

I think 3D would be a great name for the 1dmII and then make the new 20D a 7d, followed by a 9D (350D). That is WAY too conventional for Canon though.


I got it. That 3D picture is the replacement for the 1dmIIN. They are adding eye control and that's it, and renaming it. What an exciting show this will be. The new 20D will be changed to a new color (green).

Any speculation on what Canon did with that 20Da? Does that mean that the new cameras will possibly have a live viewfinder? That would totally suck unless it folded out like the g-series P+S.

[Tom W]

If Canon were to put out a 3D-type camera, it would be at a price point of around $2000 - $2200, and would be in a notch above the Nikon D200, but still 1.6X (maybe even 1.3X, but I think there's room for an upscale 1.6X camera now days). It would not be a replacement for the 20D, but might be sold in addition to the 20D's replacement.

I have no idea what it would look like, but I'd expect a few more high-end features like the AF system of the 1-series and such.

[Jon]

A 70-200mm f/4L with IS? Should I put off buying the 70-200 f/4L and wait for the IS version? Or is this still just some very iffy rumor?
Worse comes to worse, if I get the f/4L and the IS version comes out, I can exchange the non-IS for the IS version and pay the difference.

lakiluno, did the 350d not come out fairly recently? i don't know the exact year, but I thought it was pretty new, at least newer than the 20D.
EVERYTHING in this thread is rumour. IOW, pure fantasy. In another 5-6 weeks we'll know if Canon's releasing new gear at PMA, and what it'll be. Until then, all you've got is a bunch of people posting their wish lists as if they had a direct line to Canon product development. If you need a 70-200 now, buy it now. If you don't mind waiting, and it won't cost you any shots, by all means wait and see if this unconfirmed rumour comes about.

[Hellashot]

Is this the one we are waiting for?

Nope, you're just slow! :)

[Hellashot]

If Canon were to put out a 3D-type camera, it would be at a price point of around $2000 - $2200, and would be in a notch above the Nikon D200, but still 1.6X (maybe even 1.3X, but I think there's room for an upscale 1.6X camera now days). It would not be a replacement for the 20D, but might be sold in addition to the 20D's replacement.

I have no idea what it would look like, but I'd expect a few more high-end features like the AF system of the 1-series and such.

Canon won't put out a new 1.3x sensor dSLR. They will put 1.3x crop mode on their 1-series FF replacement just like the D2x has a crop mode for faster fps.

[sapearl]

Decisions, decisions....

Why do feel the need to rush into this purchase? What will be the primary use for this lens? This should be your guiding factor unless money is no object. Have you at least compared them side by side in a store?

I am also weighing these two lenses against each, literally and figuratively.

If you are a hiker, backpacker, looking for light weight equipment, have modest room in your camera bag and will usually be shooting in ample light, then the f4/L is the clear choice. It is only 1.6 lbs and definitely less bulky than the IS f2.8. It is also easier to hold and acts less like a heavy pendulum against the camera body when not using a tripod.

If you are like me and will use it primarily for shooting available light candids during wedding ceremonies where flash would be prohibited or intrusive, then you want to go with the IS f2.8. It is nearly twice the weight of the other , but at my mature age I am having more difficulty steadily hand holding such a contraption at slow shutter speeds. When I tried out the IS f2.8 at our local store I was really amazed by the IS performance. Canon claims the IS will “give you” 2-3 more shutter speeds in stabilizing ability. I would say 2, but it really did work when I played with it. You do pay a premium for that feature though.

I avoid upgrade-it is for its own sake, preferring instead to vicariously live through the spending habits of others who must always have the latest and greatest as soon as it appears. (Actually I’m just jealous:mrgreen: ). I can be very patient – if I don’t have it, I don’t spend it.

I don’t know what your circumstances are….. if you are in a hurry to purchase because of an impending job that will more than pay for the lens, then it’s a no brainer. If it’s a business purchase to offset your liability to Uncle Sam that makes sense too – I try to do that at least once a year for my photography business.

I do have my own acid test for equipment purchases: (1) Will it make ME a better photographer, or is it just another toy to bog down the camera bag. (2) Will it make my photographs better (ie – sharper lens, IS, better autofocus, improved contrast, etc.) (3) Will it pay for itself? My equipment needs to earn its keep….there is no free lunch. And last, (4) will it make the task at hand easier or improve my workflow.

Of course if the hundred dollar bills are just burning a hole in your pocket, then ignore everything I’ve just said and go for it.;)

The 70-200 f/4L has been making me really question whether I should buy it or not because of it's inability to perform in low-light (even if you jack up the iso). A black shot is worth nothing to me obviously. I don't shoot action so the IS would be very much necessary to making it a general lens (which is what I initially wanted with my telephoto).

But seeing as how the 70-200 f/2.8L IS is ~ $600 more than the non-IS version, I'm willing to bet that the 70-200 f/4L IS would be over $1000.

Now that makes me so surprised that the 70-300 IS is only ~ $500. How come I'm not going to get that? I would rather trade off a night ability for quality and just use a kit lens or get a fast lens to handle the lower light.

[sapearl]

You'd be fortunate if they only made you pay the difference. You are now bringing used equipment back to them, no matter how good the condition. Many places will only give you 50 cents on the dollar for trade-ins.

You are also assuming a LOT in your hopes for an f/4L. I was disappointed too when I couldn't find an IS version of that lens. But if you really need a lens now, you have to consider the products that are real, and not the dreams of this forum. Canon will do what Canon will do, based on their proven marketing plan and not on our wishes.

[quote=Calzinger]A 70-200mm f/4L with IS? Should I put off buying the 70-200 f/4L and wait for the IS version? Or is this still just some very iffy rumor?
Worse comes to worse, if I get the f/4L and the IS version comes out, I can exchange the non-IS for the IS version and pay the difference.

[Calzinger]

You'd be fortunate if they only made you pay the difference. You are now bringing used equipment back to them, no matter how good the condition. Many places will only give you 50 cents on the dollar for trade-ins.

You are also assuming a LOT in your hopes for an f/4L. I was disappointed too when I couldn't find an IS version of that lens. But if you really need a lens now, you have to consider the products that are real, and not the dreams of this forum. Canon will do what Canon will do, based on their proven marketing plan and not on our wishes.
I see where you got the idea that my whole decision was based upon this rumor. However, I just saw the text "70-200 f/4L IS version" and was immediately interested as to the validity of this. If it's just what someone posted because it's what they want to believe, then I cannot make such a decision based upon a belief.

The reason I'm in a rush to get a new lens is because I only have the kit lens. Obviously any lens that costs money (even the 50mm f/1.8 II which is cheaper than the kit lens) is an improvement. Now some say that lenses don't make you a better photographer, something which I would have to disagree with.

And if an IS version falls around the corner when I already have the f/4L, could I not sell it for an amount relatively close to the purchase price off of ebay or the marketplace here? (assuming I buy it at $580) By relatively close, I mean $500 or so.

[dpastern]

EVERYTHING in this thread is rumour. IOW, pure fantasy.

Rumours, like legends usually have some basis in truth :-)

Dave

[Jon]

Rumours, like legends usually have some basis in truth :-)

Dave
Oh? Urban Legends (http://www.snopes.com/). None of the postulating around here actually has any attributed (including "unidentified sources") information from Canon. If you read it, most of it's "I want it to have . . . ", however thinly or thickly veiled.

[dpastern]

That is true Jon. But - I doubt anyone would admit to it if they did, would they? I mean, think of think secret being sued by Apple for providing leaked information on new Apple computers a year or so ago. The internet was built on anonymity, but that's now gone out of the window. No wonder people are not game to post leaks!

Even urban legends have some element of the story that is based in truth. Note that I said some. The Robin Hood, King Arthur, Jesus legend/myths stories, all have some element based on truth. Myths and legends are closely related to rumours I think.

Dave

[Lotto]

Since the digital P/s is getting slimmer and samller, rumor has it canon will intruduce a new line of digital mini range finder cameras, code name "Rebel XSM"... Shhhhhhh.. here's the top secret spy photo of the prototype:cool:

[rklepper]

Actually, a friend of mine whose wifes mothers friends brother bought a camera that was made by someone who actually works for Canon says the next camera will definately be an upgrade to one of their current cameras and will have a certain number of pixels and will take photos.

[Citizensmith]

Actually, a friend of mine whose wifes mothers friends brother bought a camera that was made by someone who actually works for Canon says the next camera will definately be an upgrade to one of their current cameras and will have a certain number of pixels and will take photos.

I'd heard it would have a number of features and settings as well. Oh and apparently it will come with a strap.

[Doom1701e]

I'd heard it would have a number of features and settings as well. Oh and apparently it will come with a strap.

Will it use batteries or be solar powered? Thats what I want to know.

[shiato storm]

no no, it'll be run on biofuels...

[I Simonius]

no no, it'll be run on biofuels...

Well I'm not upgrading until it can be bicycle powered.

Wheeeeeeee..snap - snap - snap....:lol:

[SuzyView]

No, I heard from my brother's friend's uncle's barber's sister's brother in law that the new models of Canons will be announced sometime in the future and will have everyone excited and the new cameras will have the ability to take great pictures that the photographer can see the pictures almost immediately after taking them, have so many pixels, you can actually print a picture as big as the Time Square viewer. ;)

SuzyView

[Tom W]

Canon won't put out a new 1.3x sensor dSLR. They will put 1.3x crop mode on their 1-series FF replacement just like the D2x has a crop mode for faster fps.

You're probably right about the 1.3X sensor, though it's a shame as it is a useful size, especially as pixel counts rise. I don't know if I like them copying Nikon's "crop mode" gimmic either, unless they can actually change the viewfinder to match the actual image size. One of the best features of the optical viewfinder is the real-time WYSIWYG, and I'd want the viewfinder filled with exactly (or almost exactly) what's in the image.

[Tom W]

I'd heard it would have a number of features and settings as well. Oh and apparently it will come with a strap.

And not a hugely nice strap either. ;)

[Tom W]

no no, it'll be run on biofuels...

Biofuels? I'm contemplating the methods of recharging now. What I'm imagining is not a pretty picture.

[Doom1701e]

Well I am tired of waiting for Canon to announce this new camera. I think I'll go pick up the first Samsung dSLR! Check it out. Samsung launches first digital SLR (http://www.dpreview.com/news/0601/06011602samsunggx1s.asp)

[SuzyView]

Agreed. The strap will be the most insignificant part of the items in the box.

SuzyView

[SuzyView]

I thought Samsung makes great T.V.'s. Almost bought one. What technology are they into for their dSLR's?

[lakiluno]

If it was a canon mount then I might consider it, but...

its not :(

Leo

[ron chappel]

The samsung is a direct copy of one of the pentax ist models,the companies have had a tie in for awhile now.
It comes with a Schneider Kreuznach branded lens but i think it's just a cheap pentax zoom with the name added .Naturally the camera can be used with pentax lenses .

[Tom W]

It comes with a Schneider Kreuznach branded lens but i think it's just a cheap pentax zoom with the name added.

As a side issue, it always kills me to see these P&S cameras (I know, the new Samsung isn't a P&S camera) using cool German names on their cameras to describe supposedly superior optics. I'd bet that if one were to disassemble a bunch of these Zeiss-, Schneider-Krueznach-, Nikkor-, and Canon- equipped P&S cameras, they'd find that the lenses on similar models are all exactly the same.

[SuzyView]

Should we buy a few and check?

[Tom W]

Should we buy a few and check?

Sure - as long as there's no "me" in "we". :D

I've already got one P&S camera that I don't use any more.

[red hot sheep]

My Kodak DX6490 had a Schneider-Krueznach lens, but the quality of the optics was pretty poor, especially at far telephoto.

[SuzyView]

So, can I make an assumption:

People who don't really know better, hear that long-German name for the optics, and think they are buying something wonderful.

[Jackal]

I couldn't help but notice this on that picture of the "3D." The L on that "40mm L" is crooked and looks pasted on. Check out how it's not alligned properly and how there's a green tint around where the L is. This thread should be renamed "Cryptophotography gear."

[lakiluno]

sounds right to me :D

[Jon]

So, can I make an assumption:

People who don't really know better, hear that long-German name for the optics, and think they are buying something wonderful.
Unlike those of us here who see the "Canon" name and know that we're getting the finest gear imaginable. :{)#

[Rumjungle]

So, can I make an assumption:

People who don't really know better, hear that long-German name for the optics, and think they are buying something wonderful.

Exactly. Makes it sound exotic.

As for the "L" on the "3D", it looks okay to me. Maybe my eyes aren't as keen as yours.

[RikWriter]

As a side issue, it always kills me to see these P&S cameras (I know, the new Samsung isn't a P&S camera) using cool German names on their cameras to describe supposedly superior optics. I'd bet that if one were to disassemble a bunch of these Zeiss-, Schneider-Krueznach-, Nikkor-, and Canon- equipped P&S cameras, they'd find that the lenses on similar models are all exactly the same.

Wrong. The Zeiss lenses on the Sony cameras are very, very nice lenes.

[Tom W]

Wrong. The Zeiss lenses on the Sony cameras are very, very nice lenes.

Nice on a miniaturized P&S camera with minimal backfocus distance isn't hard to do. Especially when the huge DOF covers any kind of focus issues that might arise.

Perhaps there are exceptions, but when one looks at a collection of similar cameras from various manufacturers, they can't help but notice that beyond the name, they're very, very similar down to the megapixel level, zoom range, features and all. When you start comparing them, there are certain patterns that arise.

Grab a handful of 7.1-7.2 mpx 1/1.8" CCD digicams with 3X zooms and you'll find very similar lens construction with very similar range, give or take a couple of tenths of a mm (which is probably settled by changing the backfocus distance to help differentiate one brand from the next). Is it coincident that Canon, Panasonic, and Sony all have a 5 mpx digicam with IS and 12X zoom range?

[RikWriter]

Nice on a miniaturized P&S camera with minimal backfocus distance isn't hard to do. Especially when the huge DOF covers any kind of focus issues that might arise.

Perhaps there are exceptions, but when one looks at a collection of similar cameras from various manufacturers, they can't help but notice that beyond the name, they're very, very similar down to the megapixel level, zoom range, features and all. When you start comparing them, there are certain patterns that arise.


Perhaps you should try reading some of the in-depth reviews of the Sony cameras with Zeiss lenses, particularly the F707-717, F828 and the new R1 on places like DPreview.
The cameras have some problem areas (like purple fringing on the 828 and slow processing time on the R1) but the lens isn't one of them.

[Tom W]

Perhaps you should try reading some of the in-depth reviews of the Sony cameras with Zeiss lenses, particularly the F707-717, F828 and the new R1 on places like DPreview.
The cameras have some problem areas (like purple fringing on the 828 and slow processing time on the R1) but the lens isn't one of them.

While I don't mind reading the reviews of two obsolete Sony cameras, I think that it would be wise to read the reviews of their similar competitors from the same time-frame (like the Canon Pro-90 IS which shares the same weird styling). For example, if one reads on the F828, they should also read about the Pro-1 which shares very similar construction and features. I know that there are some differences among the competitors in the Pro-1/F828 class of camera, but it does seem odd that 4 or 5 competitors all come out with pro-styled 8 megapixel cameras with large-ranging zoom lenses at the same time.

As I said, there are exceptions (like the R1 which is alone and unique for now), but the vast majority of P&S cameras sporting the various German and even Japanese lens names are very likely to use the same optics, sensor, and even internal circuitry as their similarly equipped competitors.

[I Simonius]

Biofuels? I'm contemplating the methods of recharging now. What I'm imagining is not a pretty picture.


OH ! I thought he said bifocals!:D

[I Simonius]

So, can I make an assumption:

People who don't really know better, hear that long-German name for the optics, and think they are buying something wonderful.

or latin sounding names...like Distagon:lol: :lol: :lol:

[condyk]

Yes, you guys and gals are spot on. All the funny sounding old stuff is rubbish. Don't waste your time and money. You know how much lens technology has improved this last 30 years. Just keep buying more of the latest Canon L's. You know it's the best. Can't beat technology. Leave the crappy old stuff to those who can't afford the best or who have bad eyesight.

[MagentaJoe]

Maybe it will be a 20mp disposable cardboard dslr? They can be had at the drug store or supermarket for 17.99 a piece. Imagine a 100-400 is L on a cardboard body... sweet.

[RikWriter]

While I don't mind reading the reviews of two obsolete Sony cameras, I think that it would be wise to read the reviews of their similar competitors from the same time-frame (like the Canon Pro-90 IS which shares the same weird styling). For example, if one reads on the F828, they should also read about the Pro-1 which shares very similar construction and features. I know that there are some differences among the competitors in the Pro-1/F828 class of camera, but it does seem odd that 4 or 5 competitors all come out with pro-styled 8 megapixel cameras with large-ranging zoom lenses at the same time.

As I said, there are exceptions (like the R1 which is alone and unique for now), but the vast majority of P&S cameras sporting the various German and even Japanese lens names are very likely to use the same optics, sensor, and even internal circuitry as their similarly equipped competitors.


You didn't address the issue whatsoever. Forget it then, believe what you want.

[Tom W]

Yes, you guys and gals are spot on. All the funny sounding old stuff is rubbish. Don't waste your time and money. You know how much lens technology has improved this last 30 years. Just keep buying more of the latest Canon L's. You know it's the best. Can't beat technology. Leave the crappy old stuff to those who can't afford the best or who have bad eyesight.

Easy there, the discussion of P&S cameras bearing fancy names bears no resemblance to older, quality lenses made by the various manufacturers in their own facilities when manufacturing was nearly an artform (and some of those were a bit suspect as well, even if they operate smoothly to this day). What's happened today is that in many cases, a name gets stamped on a cheap plastic lens assembly on a typical 4, 6, or 8 megapixel point and shoot camera that has nothing to do with the aforementioned, stamped name, but for a paid endorsement. It's probably quite often that the same lens exists on the Canon, Nikon, Kodak, Olympus, Sony, and Samsung version of the camera.

Heck, even Canon decided to go with the name routine by putting a red L on the Pro-1.

That's not to say that any of these point-and-shoot cameras have bad or good lenses - most are rather decent. But it should be noted that having the endorsement of Zeiss on a Sony digicam that is, feature for feature, no different from its competitors shouldn't make one believe that it is different. Or better.

[condyk]

Easy there ...

Easy yourself ... I'm pulling assorted chains and you've just flushed first :lol: :lol:

See here:

http://www.sarcasmsociety.com/howtobesarcastic/

[Tom W]

You didn't address the issue whatsoever. Forget it then, believe what you want.

What issue? The only claim you've made is that "The Zeiss lenses on the Sony cameras are very, very nice lenses." I've not disagreed with that statement. But, that says nothing about whether the lenses on similar models of P&S cameras sold by the various companies are different from one another - in most cases, they are not. Those Nikkor lenses on the Nikon cameras are very, very nice lenses as well.

Sony puts the Zeiss stamp on most of their P&S lenses. It is a meaningless label in most cases, but for a few exceptions which I'm sure you'll be digging up as soon as you can. The optics on the plethora of P&S Sony cameras are probably good, but so are the optics on all the little Nikons, Canons, Kodaks, and the rest.

I never claimed that the lenses were bad - I simply claimed that they were the same, with different names stamped on them.

[Tom W]

or latin sounding names...like Distagon:lol: :lol: :lol:

Now THERE's a Zeiss I could probably live with - especially if it were 21 mm. :)

But it's actually a Zeiss lens. And it's a very good lens, which Canon can't match in that focal length. If only it were autofocus/auto aperture.....

[Tom W]

Easy yourself ... I'm pulling assorted chains and you've just flushed first :lol: :lol:

See here:

http://www.sarcasmsociety.com/howtobesarcastic/

Ahhhh, Sarcasm, humour of the bitter. :)

[condyk]

Ahhhh, Sarcasm, humour of the bitter. :)

Ah, you've flushed me out ... there are piles of reasons I could klingon to this conversation, but let's just put a lid on it now or things could rapidly go down the pan between us. I'd for us to cause a stink together ;)

[Tom W]

Ah, you've flushed me out ... there are piles of reasons I could klingon to this conversation, but let's just put a lid on it now or things could rapidly go down the pan between us. I'd for us to cause a stink together ;)

Indeed, it would eliminate the purpose of the discussion, and cause Pekka to have to wipe this thread off the forum, leaving only remnants in the annals of internet history.

Lets put it behind us. ;)

[condyk]

Indeed, it would eliminate the purpose of the discussion, and cause Pekka to have to wipe this thread off the forum, leaving only remnants in the annals of internet history.

Lets put it behind us. ;)

I agree sir ... I shall wash my hands of it immediately.

[karusel]

medium format

You don't have to stop shooting medium format.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Kodak-DCS-Pro-Back-645-645M-16mp-Digital-Back-Camera_W0QQitemZ7583341502QQcategoryZ31388QQrdZ1QQ cmdZViewItem

$4400 is not that much.

[photobitz]

And if an IS version falls around the corner when I already have the f/4L, could I not sell it for an amount relatively close to the purchase price off of ebay or the marketplace here? (assuming I buy it at $580) By relatively close, I mean $500 or so.

I'd say you probably could. Heck, people pay $$$ for artistically burned toast and Nutri Grain that look like ET on Ebay. You're bound to get someone pay close to retail for it especially since it has the magic letter "L" it's name.

Keep in mind though that others may do exactly the same thing if an IS version is released and I see plenty of them listed on there already.

[Calzinger]

I'd say you probably could. Heck, people pay $$$ for artistically burned toast and Nutri Grain that look like ET on Ebay. You're bound to get someone pay close to retail for it especially since it has the magic letter "L" it's name.

Keep in mind though that others may do exactly the same thing if an IS version is released and I see plenty of them listed on there already.
I see. Well I also got a monopod today so that should help stabilize the f/4L when I get it. And I do plan to just get the f/4L that's out now because the release of an f/4L IS version sounds highly unlikely.

[I Simonius]

You know it's the best. Can't beat technology. Leave the crappy old stuff to those who can't afford the best or who have bad eyesight.

ROTFL!:lol: :lol: :lol:

[I Simonius]

Easy yourself ... I'm pulling assorted chains and you've just flushed first :lol: :lol:

See here:

http://www.sarcasmsociety.com/howtobesarcastic/

LOVE IT!
I have bookmarked that URL for when I need cheering up!:D

[I Simonius]

Ahhhh, Sarcasm, humour of the bitter. :)

No - that's irony

[I Simonius]

Now THERE's a Zeiss I could probably live with - especially if it were 21 mm. :)

But it's actually a Zeiss lens. And it's a very good lens, which Canon can't match in that focal length. If only it were autofocus/auto aperture.....

ahh but perhaps if Canon made rangefinders.........;)

[condyk]

LOVE IT!
I have bookmarked that URL for when I need cheering up!:D

Yes, sit back and relax with a pint of the famous Norfolk Poachers Knob and it'll prove a great read ;)

[Tom W]

ahh but perhaps if Canon made rangefinders.........;)

They DID make them - almost, sort-of still do if you count the point-and-shoot cameras. But they did have that nice Canonet, I believe. Lots of fans, and there's always a possibility that something of that nature could return.

It would be especially nice if the rangefinder returned with some sort of physical resemblance to the old Canonet (Like Leica did). Problem is, if it is a fixed focal length camera, it will not sell well. I wouldn't be inclined to buy it in that configuration. As a zoom, however, I'd consider it.

[sapearl]

Well, there was the venerable old Canon 7s rangefinder with it's classic Leica screw mount and incredibly fast 50mm f0.95 lens.8)

ahh but perhaps if Canon made rangefinders.........;)

[Adam Hicks]

I don't want to start yet another guessing-at-the-future-model thread, but don't we usually hear from Canon around Feb. on these things? Before I drop the cash on the 5D (I really don't need the FFS too much) I'd like to see what Canon is going to do in the EF-S range. All I need is a 12.x mpixel 4-5fps 1.5-1.6x crop factor body.

Thanks!

[liza]

It's rumored that the successor to the 20D will be announced at PMA in February. Canon product cycles are usually 18 months in length, and they typically come out with new stuff in February and August.

[Mat Fitzsimmons]

PMA2006
February 26 - March 1

Any announcements would be around then.

http://www.pmai.org/xpma2006/default.asp

[cyber_m0nkey]

Throw this one into the mix of potential new models

http://www.dphotojournal.com/canon-eos-3d-large/

[mebailey]

Even if the 20D replacement is 12.X MP, a FF sensor of equal resolution should give better quality and lower noise. However, the 5D will still cost at least twice as much....

[Doom1701e]

The EOS 3D aint happenin'

[psykopyro]

But the EOS 30D is...

http://www.engadget.com/2006/01/17/is-this-the-canon-eos-30d/

[lost]

The general consensus is that some announcements will happen at PMA (as usual) but that wont mean immediate availability. If you can wait, wait. Better prices on current cameras and newer cameras will be available after that point.

[BTBeilke]

I just saw this on another site. It is the Canon EOS 400D CP (cell phone). What will they think of next?

http://www.dphotojournal.com/wp-content/canon_digital_rebel_phone.jpg

http://www.dphotojournal.com/canon-eos-400dcp-rumor/

[cyber_m0nkey]

The buz is that it will be called the 35D so there's no confusion with the D30.

But the EOS 30D is...

http://www.engadget.com/2006/01/17/is-this-the-canon-eos-30d/

[ron chappel]

As many have said ,PMA in just over a month is the next expected launch date.
After that there is the big photokina show towards the end of the year.

Unfortunately the upper range models don't nessesarily come at these usual show times.For instance the 1D (non 's' )models are usually announced in time for major sporting events.The last was coincided with the superbowl.
Come to think of it,when was the 5D released? At a camera show or not?

[aam1234]

For instance the 1D (non 's' )models are usually announced in time for major sporting events.The last was coincided with the superbowl.

And the World Cup is this summer.

[Idoitforfree]

So as soon as I get a 20D in a month, is a 20D replacement gonna come out? Should I wait longer? Anyone heard any rumors? :eyes

[sapearl]

Problem with this model is it goes into roaming when you use lenses over 300mm.

I just saw this on another site. It is the Canon EOS 400D CP (cell phone). What will they think of next?

http://www.dphotojournal.com/wp-content/canon_digital_rebel_phone.jpg

http://www.dphotojournal.com/canon-eos-400dcp-rumor/

[I Simonius]

They DID make them - almost, sort-of still do if you count the point-and-shoot cameras. But they did have that nice Canonet, I believe. Lots of fans, and there's always a possibility that something of that nature could return.

It would be especially nice if the rangefinder returned with some sort of physical resemblance to the old Canonet (Like Leica did). Problem is, if it is a fixed focal length camera, it will not sell well. I wouldn't be inclined to buy it in that configuration. As a zoom, however, I'd consider it.

Leica already makea zoom digital rangefinder but its lagging way behind, hardly cutting edge.

I'm sure Canon could come up with a decent state of the art Job if they thought the market was there

[Matt_hil]

Has anybody herd any news on the EOS-1Ds MkIII ??

any pictures or Specs on the camera yet?

[ron chappel]

They might update the 1ds mkII slightly -a larger screen,etc like the 1DmkIIn ,but they won't give it any major upgrades/replacement for some time

[I Simonius]

So as soon as I get a 20D in a month, is a 20D replacement gonna come out? Should I wait longer? Anyone heard any rumors? :eyes

Not sure if that's a serious question....

If you are looking to geta camera in amonth then obviously all you need to wait for is the show at the end of Feb ( one month away) and all thy questions shall be antwerped:D

[I Simonius]

They might update the 1ds mkII slightly -a larger screen,etc like the 1DmkIIn ,but they won't give it any major upgrades/replacement for some time

wasn't there a wishful thinkinjg of an 24MP upgrade?

[I Simonius]

They might update the 1ds mkII slightly -a larger screen,etc like the 1DmkIIn ,but they won't give it any major upgrades/replacement for some time

How do you know that?

[Jon]

And the World Cup is this summer.
But the Winter Olympics start in a couple of weeks.

[photodd]

[QUOTE=ron chappel
Come to think of it,when was the 5D released? At a camera show or not?[/QUOTE]

Announced 22-Aug-05

That would be just in time for back to school for those of us in U.S. ;)

[aam1234]

But the Winter Olympics start in a couple of weeks.

Oh that's even better.

[Ron Lacey]

The buz is that it will be called the 35D so there's no confusion with the D30.

Won't that get confused with the 350D :).

Ron

[dshootist]

But the Winter Olympics start in a couple of weeks.

and the Winter X Games are happening next weekend...

[Supercharged]

You guys have it all wrong... Here is a sneak peak at what's about to be released by Canon. ;) :p

http://us.gizmodo.com/images/canonflagship.jpg

I especially love the "sex" and "Pee Break Now" features... Very useful! :razz: Although I think Canon is making a huge mistake by not placing the former closer to the shutter release button where it's easier to get at.

Crumudgeons, the lot of ya! Lighten up and crack a smile every once in a while. :)

[chris clements]

Fifth or sixth appearance on this thread?

[Jon]

Anyway. And probably at least 10x that many postings on the board in general, going back at least a year and a half.

[In2Photos]

You guys have it all wrong... Here is a sneak peak at what's about to be released by Canon. ;) :p

*deleted picture so we don't have to see it again*

I especially love the "sex" and "Pee Break Know" features... Very useful! :razz: Although I think Canon is making a huge mistake by not placing the former closer to the shutter release button where it's easier to get at.

Is there a way to ban that freakin' picture?

[CyberDyneSystems]

But the Winter Olympics start in a couple of weeks.

And the 1D MkII was released just in time for all the sports PJ's to have it in hand for the Olympics last time.. no? Well spotted.


re: "3D"
Although I am wholey convinced that the 5D is the closest we will ever come to the mythical "3D" that people have mooned over since the D30 and 1D were still on the shelves.. that mock up is one of the most convincing looking fakes I've ever seen.

[SuzyView]

I think it's going to be the 325.2575D ;)

SuzyView - you can't keep waiting for the next best thing. The stuff out there now is pretty darn wonderful!

[ProPhotoGA]

Get the 5D. I recently switched from that "other" brand and man am I ever glad. The 5D is everything those others weren't and if I had played the what is coming out game.. well.. I would still be waiting.

Happy Shooting!

Gene

[Jon]

And the 1D MkII was released just in time for all the sports PJ's to have it in hand for the Olympics last time.. no? Well spotted.


re: "3D"
Although I am wholey convinced that the 5D is the closest we will ever come to the mythical "3D" that people have mooned over since the D30 and 1D were still on the shelves.. that mock up is one of the most convincing looking fakes I've ever seen.
I'd be inclined, I think, to view the Olympics this go-round as somewhere Canon may release a few carefully controlled prototype or pre-production 1D III or whatevers to selected users rather than where they'll (this time) announce new models. OTOH, one reported release date jibes with the end of the Games. If they think they've got a 20D successor that can take on the pros, this might be when they say "Look who's been using our . . .".

[Doom1701e]

Is there a way to ban that freakin' picture?

Mods, that picture must be stopped!!!

[Jon]

Well, I believe it is Pekka's. Perhaps if he started enforcing copyright on it?

[nitsch]

Well, I believe it is Pekka's. Perhaps if he started enforcing copyright on it?

Well if he got a dollar royalty every time it got posted somewhere on the web he'd be a rich man! :lol:

[bobbinika]

not a canon but im waiting for this one
http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/439/r22mg6fx.jpg

[Jackal]

Pretty funny....

Now you guys who professionally shoot can slack off on the job. :D

[kawter2]

Pretty funny....

Now you guys who professionally shoot can slack off on the job. :D


Then what will POTN be for?

[SuzyView]

Why do the Europeans always get the fun stuff first? It's just not fair.

[I Simonius]

Fifth or sixth appearance on this thread?

worth every bump tough!
tis a work o' fart:D

[I Simonius]

Mods, that picture must be stopped!!!

Rubbish - post it more!:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[karusel]

Because we are more fun. :D

On a more serious note, I don't really care what cameras come out next, I'm buying the 1D MKII when the price becomes slightly more reasonable. And I don't need that many megapixels at all; right now 6 mp spread on an A3+ paper with no visible pixels/edges, I do not print bigger and don't really plan to in the future.

[kawter2]

This screenshot was supposedly pulled off a CPS site leak this morning..

The site was from eastern europe, but they already pulled it. It looks real,
but It is so hard to tell these days. and I'm not sure about some
of the features

http://us.gizmodo.com/images/canonflagship.jpg







...for simon

[CyberDyneSystems]

:lol: That's new... :rolleyes:

[CyberDyneSystems]

Not sure if that's a serious question....

If you are looking to geta camera in amonth then obviously all you need to wait for is the show at the end of Feb ( one month away) and all thy questions shall be antwerped:D

The rolling eyes :rolleyes: smily usually is the dead giveaway ;............ :rolleyes:

[RichardtheSane]

Why do the Europeans always get the fun stuff first? It's just not fair.

That would be because we pay about 30% more for it...
I'd rather get it later and pay less... :)

[Idoitforfree]

Not sure if that's a serious question....

If you are looking to geta camera in amonth then obviously all you need to wait for is the show at the end of Feb ( one month away) and all thy questions shall be antwerped:D

thanks...it was a serious question that got grouped into the rumor page...... I guess I should just wait and see.

[I Simonius]

thanks...it was a serious question that got grouped into the rumor page...... I guess I should just wait and see.

yup;)

[ron chappel]

How do you know that?

Oh-simply because the 1DsmkII was released not long ago.I'm sure i read somewhere that canon are not keen on replacing this top of the range model often.
And the 1DmkII was recently updated to the n version so there is nothing haoppening there for awhile.

[SuzyView]

Okay, my prediction:

Don't know the name, but whatever comes out will have a larger view screen, 2.5"
More MP 10.3 and will have 1.6x crop

[ron chappel]

Won't that get confused with the 350D :).

Ron

No.
That's the beauty of the canon naming system.When they have a 'matched' system the names go something like-
EOS5000
EOS500
EOS50
EOS5
(and of couse the top of the range is allways called the EOS 1)

Other ones that come to mind are-
EOS3000
EOS300
EOS30 (/33)
EOS3
EOS1

So the name 35D will match perfectly with the 350D
I presume any bottom of the range new DSLR that is released within the next year might be called a 3500D to match.
...maybe:)

[photobitz]

Ummm... so where does the 20D fit into that plan?

[int0xicatedxluv]

I've been clicking around through various topics in here, as I was going to purchase the EOS 20D today, but I'm seeing some comments that are leading me to believe that a predecesor of the 20D is on its way in February possibly?

Can anyone shed anymore light on this subject for me?

Would it be wise to hold off on buying the 20D?

[In2Photos]

Your guess is as good as anybody else's.

[Jon]

Nothing has been announced. Nothing will be announced, based on Canon's previous practices, until they're ready to start shipping to the dealers. Any conjecture is based on previous Canon announcement/deployment cycles. \

If the 20D will meet your needs now, there's no reason to hold off for something that hasn't been announced, will cost more (going at list price, not reduced on first release), will be in short supply, and may possibly have some teething pains.

[schmoelzel]

Don't worry too much about the 'next' camera being that much better than the 20D! The only thing you will find is that 'maybe' you will save a bit of money if there is an upgrade but then those of us that buy 3-4 year old cameras salivate at owning last years 'best' for half the price!! I think that if you are ready to purchase, just do it!! You will enjoy the camera and it will probably do everything (and more) that you want it to!