[[Unofficial Rumor Thread]] (Merge City)

[int0xicatedxluv]

Great :) Today it is then! I'm so excited. I've been saving & waiting for this for almost a year!

[gmen]

...some comments that are leading me to believe that a predecesor [(sic)] of the 20D is on its way in February possibly?Sounds like a backwards step to me! ;)

---- Gavin

[Hellashot]

I would at least wait and see what Canon announces so that you dont have regret for what your camera COULD have had.

[Rumjungle]

Great :) Today it is then! I'm so excited. I've been saving & waiting for this for almost a year!

Then today is a great day for you! Just go for it, the 20D isn't a "clunker".;) It may not be the newest kid on the block, but can still do more than what most of us will be asking of it.

[Steve Parr]

Personally, I think it's silly to base a purchase decision on unsubstantiated rumors. I bought my 20D and, after the results I got this past weekend, I know I won't be the least bit interested in what the future holds. The 20D is gettin' it done for me now...

Steve

[Hellashot]

If he's waited a year, then another 3 weeks won't kill him. And if no cameras are announced, highly unlikely since I think Canon has announced a camera in Feb and Aug. for several years, then he can buy the 20D. No need to rush to buy something that he might well use for several years. It should be the newest and best that Canon has.

[Steve Parr]

It should be the newest and best that Canon has.

Well, if that were true, nobody here would be using a 20D...

Steve

[int0xicatedxluv]

Sounds like a backwards step to me! ;)

---- Gavin



LOL! oops :o

well...you know what I meant [hopefully] ;) :lol:

[cfcRebel]

Since people chime in with their opinion, i have one too. :D
If i am going to pay a full retail price ($1399/$1299) for a new 20D today, I might as well wait for another month and see what Canon has to announce. But if i can get a great deal on a new 20D today, then i'll go ahead and get it.

[dpastern]

I'd wait as well. Large manufacturers are known for pushing products that they know are going to be replaced, to consumers. I'd be pretty ticked if I bought a 20D for say, $1400 US, to find a new model, at $1200 US the next day. In fact, I'd take it back and get a refund (most Australian states give you 7 days from date of purchase to return an item and get a refund, no matter what the reason for returning; and the reseller MUST comply by law). What about those that have bought a new 20D and 2 weeks later it gets replaced and you have no recourse? Of course, Canon (and other manufacturers) would argue that they have to sell their old stock etc etc. They have a responsibility to make a profit and keep the shareholders happy. Stuff what the consumer gets dished up with. Welcome to the lovely world of capitalism and greed. They all do it, Canon, Nikon, non camera manufacturers, etc. Apple computers is reknowned for it!

My advice is to wait. Wait. And thrice wait.

Dave

[Tom W]

While I agree that it's good to wait a few weeks at this juncture rather than pick up a 20D, I also have to point out that this really isn't the proper forum for repeatedly complaining about capitalism. Perhaps Pekka needs to add an economics FAQ and forum.

[dpastern]

Like it or not, capitalism dictates what we can buy, how much we pay, and the quality of what we buy. It's totally relevant to the topic. As a consumer, I feel, and have long felt, that capitalism benefits the large corporations, and only the large corporations. That is of course, my viewpoint.

As an aside, I couldn't really care what you, Pekka or others think about my posts. I will NOT be intimidated by the likes of you, or others. That's what freedom of speech is all about. Funny, Americans don't seem to really understand what freedom of speech is truly about, but they harp on about it like they do. I find that rather hypocritical.

If you want to remove this post, then please remove my user account, and ALL of my other posts as well.

Dave

[CyberDyneSystems]

As an aside, I couldn't really care what you, Pekka or others think about my posts. I will NOT be intimidated by the likes of you, or others. That's what freedom of speech is all about. Funny, Americans don't seem to really understand what freedom of speech is truly about, but they harp on about it like they do. I find that rather hypocritical.

If you want to remove this post, then please remove my user account, and ALL of my other posts as well.

Dave

Where'd that come from? :shock:

Pekka is Finnish by the way..

[photo_luver]

And the World Cup is this summer.

OR MAYBE

For the Winter Olympics? hmmm that seems alot closer...

[defordphoto]

Perhaps Pekka needs to add an economics FAQ and forum.

Perhaps we need to lock this thread that has gone way off course. Not directed at you Tom...:)

Okay folks. Get this back on course or....

CLICK!

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[Rumjungle]

Well, back to the rumors it is, then. I just read this over at dpreview (http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1010&message=16883063):

Today an importer of Canon gear told me there will be 3 NEW Canon camera models:

1) the NEW successor of the 20D at a price of € 1.700,-
2) a NEW model in the € 1.000,- range
3) the current 350D for about € 750,-
4) the NEW 3000D with a price of € 500,-

Regards,
Wim

Is next month's show open to the public?

[Steve Parr]

Well, back to the rumors it is, then. I just read this over at dpreview (http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1010&message=16883063):

The successor to the 20D, if this particular rumor is true, will cost just over two grand.

I don't see too many regrets comin' my way...

Steve

[willg]

if a new camera comes to replace the 20d, will current 20d prices fall from places such as b&h? if they do, shouldn't everyone wait to see what happens in the next few weeks. I am potentially in the market, and it hurts to wait, but its really the best option. Also, when in feb has canon announced cameras in the past? Are we thinking feb 1st or later?

[int0xicatedxluv]

Well, I just purchased my 20D. I have 30 days to take it back if something else comes out in February, but I doubt it would be worth it. maybe, who knows.

All I know is I've been saving an awful long time for this puppy & I'm just excited to have finally gotten it :)

[Rumjungle]

iI am potentially in the market, and it hurts to wait, but its really the best option.

Will, I think that pretty much sums it up for a lot of the camera junkies on this forum, myself included.:lol: If whatever new stuff Canon's got waiting in the wings doesn't blow me away (in terms of better AF and greater frame speed for sports shooting), then I'll be happy to pick up a discounted 20D or 1DMkIIn at a later date.

[Rumjungle]

Well, I just purchased my 20D. I have 30 days to take it back if something else comes out in February, but I doubt it would be worth it. maybe, who knows.

All I know is I've been saving an awful long time for this puppy & I'm just excited to have finally gotten it :)

Congrats, I'm in the same boat as you. My rebel xt will still be eligible for return after next month's camera show. Just have to wait and see...

[int0xicatedxluv]

Congrats, I'm in the same boat as you. My rebel xt will still be eligible for return after next month's camera show. Just have to wait and see...

Congrats to you too! I'll be keeping my eyes open to see what Canon comes up with, but I have no doubt that I'll be VERY happy with this camera. :)

[jporter12]

Anybody have any insider info at camera stores, such as stock levels of the 20D? I found that when I bought my DigReb that many places were out of stock, even though they had a sale going on them. Weird, I thought, but then I found a few weeks later that the XT came on to the market.

[Pekka]

Like it or not, capitalism dictates what we can buy, how much we pay, and the quality of what we buy. It's totally relevant to the topic. As a consumer, I feel, and have long felt, that capitalism benefits the large corporations, and only the large corporations. That is of course, my viewpoint.

As an aside, I couldn't really care what you, Pekka or others think about my posts. I will NOT be intimidated by the likes of you, or others. That's what freedom of speech is all about. Funny, Americans don't seem to really understand what freedom of speech is truly about, but they harp on about it like they do. I find that rather hypocritical.

If you want to remove this post, then please remove my user account, and ALL of my other posts as well.

Dave

I have no clue what you argue about and with whom. Who is intimidating you?

[Tom W]

Anybody have any insider info at camera stores, such as stock levels of the 20D? I found that when I bought my DigReb that many places were out of stock, even though they had a sale going on them. Weird, I thought, but then I found a few weeks later that the XT came on to the market.

No inside information, but I'm reading reports on DPRumour.com about many stores running out of stock, at least in Europe. Could be that Canon is going to sell off the last run. Or not.

[mfunnell]

I am potentially in the market, and it hurts to wait, but its really the best option.
We're not in such different circumstances: I have my 300D. I would like something a little better (mostly for AF mode/performance). A 20D, at the right price, might justify it's cost (to me, only) but might not (I haven't decided). Why not wait and see what happens at/after PMA? Unless that money's really burning a hole in your pocket...

...Mike

[willg]

We're not in such different circumstances: I have my 300D. I would like something a little better (mostly for AF mode/performance). A 20D, at the right price, might justify it's cost (to me, only) but might not (I haven't decided). Why not wait and see what happens at/after PMA? Unless that money's really burning a hole in your pocket...

...Mike

I have a show to shoot on the 9th, but I'm not getting paid so they will have to deal with high noise at iso 800-1600 from the 300c. for the future though, a camera with the iso performance of the 20d (or better), faster autofocus, and larger buffer would prove worth it to me. I am waiting though

[Ikinaa]

You gals and guys make me anxious with all that talk about news models and the older not being good anymore.
I bought a 20D exactly one year ago and in the past 12 months a bunch of lenses. Now my fear is : Should I have waited for the new model coming now next month. Oh man, I always knew that the bad quality of my pics was due to this limited camera, that's probably why I have only 8000 clics on it... So much money spent, for nothing, I should have waited.
about 5K€ gone, OMG !!!

[mfunnell]

You gals and guys make me anxious with all that talk about news models and the older not being good anymore.
I bought a 20D exactly one year ago and in the past 12 months a bunch of lenses. Now my fear is : Should I have waited for the new model coming now next month. Oh man, I always knew that the bad quality of my pics was due to this limited camera, that's probably why I have only 8000 clics on it... So much money spent, for nothing, I should have waited.
about 5K€ gone, OMG !!!
That doesn't seem reasonable - any new camera that may or may not be announced won't make the slightest difference to what you already have. The lenses in particular. If you're not getting good results from your kit then just maybe a new camera body might help. If you know exactly what, why and how then go for it - buy something new. For me, though, bettering my technique gave far better return. It's only now that I've improved enough, that I can take advantage of a better camera body - to avoid my 300D's limitations on AI servo mode and slower AF. For me it's an open question whether a 20D would be enough improvement to justify the cost. Rather than decide right now, I'll wait to see any new offering and then decide.

...Mike

[Sonsey]

You gals and guys make me anxious with all that talk about news models and the older not being good anymore.
I bought a 20D exactly one year ago and in the past 12 months a bunch of lenses. Now my fear is : Should I have waited for the new model coming now next month. Oh man, I always knew that the bad quality of my pics was due to this limited camera, that's probably why I have only 8000 clics on it... So much money spent, for nothing, I should have waited.
about 5K€ gone, OMG !!!

I detect a hint of sarcasm in this post ;)

...besides, I don't think anyone's said the current models won't be good anymore :confused:

[Doom1701e]

For everyone who is thinking of waiting, just wait a little longer. Even if it is not to buy the new model, there might be a better price on the older models that you can take advantage of. I am waiting until after PMA for my 5D just incase the price drops. I know I can buy it now and maybe get a price match if the price goes down after the show, but who needs the hassle. I am still very happy with my 20D and it goes to my fiance (free of charge ;)) when the 5D comes in. The 20D is a great camera and I dont think the successor will make it any less desirable, but I do think there might be a price reduction after PMA....therefore I'd wait. IMHO. Thank you and goodnight.

[Ikinaa]

I detect a hint of sarcasm in this post ;)

...besides, I don't think anyone's said the current models won't be good anymore :confused:

sarcasm? me? never ... :mrgreen:

[Redbird_xo]

Well, back to the rumors it is, then. I just read this over at dpreview (http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1010&message=16883063):



Is next month's show open to the public?

Can the Euro1,700 model be the alleged 3D?
Can the Euro1,000 model be the alleged 50D?
Can the Euro500 model be the alleged 3000D?

Whatever the scope of the rumour is, I am counting on Canon to launch some digital camera that will be equally or more interesting than the Nik*n D200 (both in terms of price and functionality).

Have my fingers crossed.

[roli_bark]

....My advice is to wait. Wait. And thrice wait.

Absolutely true...yes - let us wait a little more....

1. It is best to wait for new models to be announced in the upcoming February PMA show.
2. The February PMA announced models are only available 2 months later...
3. By then, it's better to wait for the upcoming August (traditional) Summer new models announcements
4. The August announced models are only available 2 months later...
5. By then, it's better to wait for the upcoming November / Photokina (traditional) Fall announcements
6. The November announced models are only available 2 months later...
7. Goto (1).........

[rklepper]

You gals and guys make me anxious with all that talk about news models and the older not being good anymore.
I bought a 20D exactly one year ago and in the past 12 months a bunch of lenses. Now my fear is : Should I have waited for the new model coming now next month. Oh man, I always knew that the bad quality of my pics was due to this limited camera, that's probably why I have only 8000 clics on it... So much money spent, for nothing, I should have waited.
about 5K€ gone, OMG !!!

If you would have waited you would have missed a year of fun and photos. Never buy based on what you think is coming up, but based on what you need/want and what will be best at the moment.

[I Simonius]

The successor to the 20D, if this particular rumor is true, will cost just over two grand.

I don't see too many regrets comin' my way...

Steve


currently in the UK the 20D is, with Canon cashback included, - £739 - almost half what it cost when it first came out

Any new version will be at new prices

It would make most sense to me with the current state if the art, to wait until a new version is about to come out and then buy the previous version at a considerable discount

The 20D is good enough quality wise for most uses so there is no imperative to upgrade to whatever the new model will be on tech specs alone, but considerable advantage to buying the 20D on price now. That will leave enough for one or maybe two top notch lenses

[I Simonius]

That doesn't seem reasonable - any new camera that may or may not be announced won't make the slightest difference to what you already have. The lenses in particular. If you're not getting good results from your kit then just maybe a new camera body might help. If you know exactly what, why and how then go for it - buy something new. For me, though, bettering my technique gave far better return. It's only now that I've improved enough, that I can take advantage of a better camera body - to avoid my 300D's limitations on AI servo mode and slower AF. For me it's an open question whether a 20D would be enough improvement to justify the cost. Rather than decide right now, I'll wait to see any new offering and then decide.

...Mike

I think someone may have had their tongue firmly in their cheek;)

[I Simonius]

Absolutely true...yes - let us wait a little more....

1. It is best to wait for new models to be announced in the upcoming February PMA show.
2. The February PMA announced models are only available 2 months later...
3. By then, it's better to wait for the upcoming August (traditional) Summer new models announcements
4. The August announced models are only available 2 months later...
5. By then, it's better to wait for the upcoming November / Photokina (traditional) Fall announcements
6. The November announced models are only available 2 months later...
7. Goto (1).........

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[In2Photos]

Absolutely true...yes - let us wait a little more....

1. It is best to wait for new models to be announced in the upcoming February PMA show.
2. The February PMA announced models are only available 2 months later...
3. By then, it's better to wait for the upcoming August (traditional) Summer new models announcements
4. The August announced models are only available 2 months later...
5. By then, it's better to wait for the upcoming November / Photokina (traditional) Fall announcements
6. The November announced models are only available 2 months later...
7. Goto (1).........

But now I am stuck in an infinite loop...:rolleyes:

[Alpieagle]

Can the Euro1,700 model be the alleged 3D?

Have my fingers crossed.


Would be lovely, not only sounding more professional, but also having a feature like EyeContr. would be a good improvement.
I would certainly have to force our management team into getting some of these then. ;)

Of course... nothing but speculations.

[Jon]

But now I am stuck in an infinite loop...:rolleyes:
Exactly!

[BTBeilke]

Can the Euro1,700 model be the alleged 3D?
Can the Euro1,000 model be the alleged 50D?
Can the Euro500 model be the alleged 3000D?

Whatever the scope of the rumour is, I am counting on Canon to launch some digital camera that will be equally or more interesting than the Nik*n D200 (both in terms of price and functionality).


While the 3D rumor is intriguing, I would think it would be priced closer to the current 5D than the 20D (1700 Euro is about $1390 US). And, $820 for a new 35D/50D would be awesome. I just don't see the prices dropping that much. If this info is close to correct, based on price, the top model on the list would be the 20D replacement and not something like the 3D IMO. I'd be thrilled to be wrong though.

[Alpieagle]

I would think it would be priced closer to the current 5D than the 20D (1700 Euro is about $1390 US).

Dude, 1700 Euros is close to 2100 US Dollars! :rolleyes:

Can the Euro1,000 model be the alleged 50D?
And, $820 for a new 35D/50D would be awesome.

So that would be ~ 1200 US$.

[int0xicatedxluv]

If Canon was going to announce some new products, does anyone know when this announcement would possibly come? I saw some things about a show coming up?

[roanjohn]

If Canon was going to announce some new products, does anyone know when this announcement would possibly come? I saw some things about a show coming up?

Probably mid to late Febuary..........and probably won't be available until April............then the feeding frenzy will begin!!! And I will be on the look-out for some cheap 5D or 1DMKII............:D

Ro1

[shiato storm]

ebay already had 1dmkII's going for a song...

[Citizensmith]

Probably mid to late Febuary..........and probably won't be available until April............then the feeding frenzy will begin!!! And I will be on the look-out for some cheap 5D or 1DMKII............:D

Ro1

And hopefully they will be giving the 350D away free with 5 vouchers from your cereal box. Well maybe not that cheap but I am looking with interest to see how much the price drops on some of the existing line up.

[BTBeilke]

Dude, 1700 Euros is close to 2100 US Dollars! :rolleyes:

So that would be ~ 1200 US$.

Oops, my bad. I read the conversion table I was looking at backwards.

Nonetheless, just based on Canon's naming convention alone, wouldn't you expect a 3D model to sell for as much or more than the 5D? From the photo that has been posted it would "appear" to be more "pro-like" than the 5D (although probably not FF).

Like I said before, I'd love to see a 3D model sell for much less than the 5D. It just seems a bit inconsistent with their current naming convention to me. Perhaps a 3D, if it exists, is intended to be Canon's Nikon D200 killer. That might explain the rumored price.

[roli_bark]

......!!! And I will be on the look-out for some cheap 5D or 1DMKII....

And I'll be on the look-out for a brand new 20D for $300....

[roanjohn]

HAHAHAHA!!! One good thing about new cameras.............is the really good deals you get from the people who wants to sell thier gears to upgrade!!! So bring it ON Canon!!!

.........its too bad they upgrade the lenses once every 10 years!!! sometimes more!!!

Ro1

[KCR]

Hello all

I have the digital rebel 300D. I want to upgrade and have been looking at the 350D,20D and the 5D. with my budget it's hard to decide whether to spend less on a body and get some new lenses or get an expensive body and only 1 lens.

Isn't it time for canon to replace the 20D with a new verison.......Like they did with the 300D?

That way I should be able to get the 20D for a better Price.

The 20D is getting old....Isn't it time to replace it?

What do you Think? or has anyone heard anything about it

KCR

[I Simonius]

And hopefully they will be giving the 350D away free with 5 vouchers from your cereal box. Well maybe not that cheap but I am looking with interest to see how much the price drops on some of the existing line up.

I remember ta same conversation before the 350 and te 20D came out, but the prices only go so low, then they stay at a certain point for a year or so not moving much more

[Rumjungle]

About how much did the 10D drop after the 20D was announced?

[ron chappel]

Hello all

I have the digital rebel 300D. I want to upgrade and have been looking at the 350D,20D and the 5D. with my budget it's hard to decide whether to spend less on a body and get some new lenses or get an expensive body and only 1 lens.

Isn't it time for canon to replace the 20D with a new verison.......Like they did with the 300D?

That way I should be able to get the 20D for a better Price.

The 20D is getting old....Isn't it time to replace it?

What do you Think? or has anyone heard anything about it

KCR

The 20D replacement is indeed expected within a month-then you should see 20D's selling for abit less.
Maybe not a whole lot less though because DSLR prices are leveling out from the huge price drops we saw a few years back.
Also keep in mind that if a new model is coming,canon will soon stop making the 20D (if they havent allready) so there may not be many around to buy!;)

[Doom1701e]

The 3D ain't happenin! Get over it.

[photobitz]

The 3D ain't happenin! Get over it.

Took a while but I think I've moved on now...

[I Simonius]

The 20D replacement is indeed expected within a month-then you should see 20D's selling for abit less.
Maybe not a whole lot less though because DSLR prices are leveling out from the huge price drops we saw a few years back.
Also keep in mind that if a new model is coming,canon will soon stop making the 20D (if they havent allready) so there may not be many around to buy!;)

from warehouseexpress.com

Offer ends Jan 31st
Canon EOS 20D
from only £739
inc £100 Cashback

This could mean that it will go down even further after the 31 jan, or the cashback offer might expire...;)

Either way it means it IS getting updated:cool:
and I think it will have to beat the 10MP Noink therefore MORE than 10MP!...........
.........which makes one wonder whether the 5D will continue to sell as well if the new upgraded 20D has 12MP or close to........
.........which makes me wonder whether they might ..... just.... upgrade the 5D at the same time or SOOON :)

yabba dabba doooooooo:cool: :p :p :p :p

[mdr]

You're showing your age! GoTo's remind me of programming using my 80's ZX Sinclair.

[Alpieagle]

The 3D ain't happenin! Get over it.

Would be a lovely name though ;) Well... maybe a 7 or 8D then....:p

Tons of rumors, no one knows, so lets just wait.

[I Simonius]

You're showing your age! GoTo's remind me of programming using my 80's ZX Sinclair.

just noticed your 24-105
How are you getting on with it? Impressions?

[Tom W]

You're showing your age! GoTo's remind me of programming using my 80's ZX Sinclair.

Hey, I have one of those - with the 16K RAM-Pac, Tandy "digital" cassette recorder, and a bunch of simple programs. All stored in a little box in the basement. :)

[denMAR]

Man, I wish i could get some cash together!

[Mike_B]

Hi, I'm new to this forum and have learnt heaps from following the treads and of course I sometimes become a little more than confused than when I first started. As I'm having camera problems I'm looking at the 20D or the "new" replacement. Could somebody tell me that date of this famous camera show that takes place in February when Canon may or maybe not make an announcement and what the heck does PMA and B&H stand for?

Mike

[lans]

Could somebody tell me that date of this famous camera show that takes place in February when Canon may or maybe not make an announcement and what the heck does PMA and B&H stand for?

Mike

I am also new to the forums. Here is the link to PMA2006:

www.pmai.org/xpma2006/default.asp (http://www.pmai.org/xpma2006/default.asp)

Here is the link to B&H Photo:

www.bhphoto.com (http://www.bhphoto.com)

As far as what B&H stand for it is "Blimi and Herman" (I don't know if you guys knew that).

[Mike_B]

I am also new to the forums. Here is the link to PMA2006:

www.pmai.org/xpma2006/default.asp (http://www.pmai.org/xpma2006/default.asp)

Here is the link to B&H Photo:

www.bhphoto.com (http://www.bhphoto.com)

As far as what B&H stand for it is "Blimi and Herman" (I don't know if you guys knew that).

Welcome to the forum, Ians. I'm fairly new myself and have found everybody so helpful and knowledgeble. Thanks also for the information I'm off to have a look at them now.

Cheers, Mike

[Mike_B]

...hmm so I have to wait until the 26 February for the frequently referred to PMA announcement by canon.

[chris clements]

...hmm so I have to wait until the 26 February for the frequently referred to PMA announcement by canon.
There'll be a website leak (free viral advertising) in mid-February. Anyway, the camera won't hit the streets till summer at the earliest. Just announced at PMA to get Canon airtime amongst all the other DSLR launches (built round the new Sony chip).

Those across the water should pity us Brits. Canon have pulled out of our equivalent showcase (Focus), so we can't handle any exotic glass this year!

[Mike_B]

Its looking more and more like the 20D will be my next camera.

[Citizensmith]

As far as what B&H stand for it is "Blimi and Herman" (I don't know if you guys knew that).

No clue where you got that information. It stands for Baruch Hashem which translates to Blessed be God. You need to remember the place is owned and run by Hasidic Jews.

The big issue is what will my next order from them be. :)

[photobitz]

There'll be a website leak (free viral advertising) in mid-February. Anyway, the camera won't hit the streets till summer at the earliest. Just announced at PMA to get Canon airtime amongst all the other DSLR launches (built round the new Sony chip).

Those across the water should pity us Brits. Canon have pulled out of our equivalent showcase (Focus), so we can't handle any exotic glass this year!

It's summer in Australia. Does that mean I can go buy one now? :lol:

[WildWolf]

I heard from a canon rep that a new all purpose zoom lens will be announced at the PMA show. The ONLY details I have are this- zoom lens; useful walk around range; price will be between $900 and $1300.

I know this doesn't help much but is solid info.

[kaitanium]

I heard from a canon rep that a new all purpose zoom lens will be announced at the PMA show. The ONLY details I have are this- zoom lens; useful walk around range; price will be between $900 and $1300.

I know this doesn't help much but is solid info.

looks like to me another L lens but what could compete with the 24-105 in walkaround? who knows. a 24-105 f2.8 IS would be crazy

[WildWolf]

I should restate that this is from a high level employee at Canon- not just a salesman. I think it will be wider than the 24-105. I can't remember exactly what she said but it led me to believe (or this is what I wanted to hear) that it will be a wider lens with a broad range. I asked her if I should purchase the 24-105 and she told me to definitely wait. Here's to waiting

[Redbird_xo]

I heard from a canon rep that a new all purpose zoom lens will be announced at the PMA show. The ONLY details I have are this- zoom lens; useful walk around range; price will be between $900 and $1300.

I know this doesn't help much but is solid info.

Can it be the rumoured EF-S18-200/3.5-5.6 IS USM? Anyway, time will tell the truth, the whole truth, nothing but the truth. So help me CANON.

[lans]

No clue where you got that information. It stands for Baruch Hashem which translates to Blessed be God. You need to remember the place is owned and run by Hasidic Jews.

Actually, a lot of people thought that as well but it is incorrect (B&H - can't really be Baruch & Hashem). The info was from the B&H staff.

[Tom W]

Potential new Canon siting in Miami (to be taken with the appropriate grain of salt)!

According to one poster on DPR, he saw another photographer using what "looked like a 5D with a popup flash". He claims that the guy carrying the camera wouldn't respond when asked about it, but only said that "it's a Canon". The camera had no model number or name on it.

Another exciting rumor brought to you by DPRumour. :)

[roli_bark]

....what could compete with the 24-105 in walkaround? who knows. a 24-105 f2.8 IS would be crazy

17-70 f/2.8 L ...

[ChrisBoy]

I should restate that this is from a high level employee at Canon- not just a salesman. I think it will be wider than the 24-105. I can't remember exactly what she said but it led me to believe (or this is what I wanted to hear) that it will be a wider lens with a broad range. I asked her if I should purchase the 24-105 and she told me to definitely wait. Here's to waiting

That lens to compete with similar Sigma offerings ? Oh well, there is a market for everything if priced right.
I think Canon should introduce an EF 400 mm f/5.6L IS USM. While obviously not any better for action stopping than the current offering, the image stabilised telephoto would be a boon for static & slow action wildlife photography. Of course, provided that the addition of an IS assembly would not degrade the lens optical quality too much.

[roli_bark]

...As far as what B&H stand for it is "Blimi and Herman" (I don't know if you guys knew that).

Close...but incorrect. B&H stands for: Blimi & Herchel [Shriver]

[lans]

Close...but incorrect. B&H stands for: Blimi & Herchel [Shriver]

AH! Thanks for the clarification.

[Doom1701e]

Close...but incorrect. B&H stands for: Blimi & Herchel [Shriver]

Actually I think B&H stands for "Bank Account Vacuum" ;)

[sapearl]

Heard from my pro lab that Canon supposedly has one of the narrowest markups on it's gear - only 3%. That could explain why nobody locally is willing to deal better than list price on a 5D or some recent L lenses (also probably the fact that the 5D is still so new).

If true, I'm a little surprised - I'd have thought the higher end stuff would have a higher mark-up since it's not quite competing with the gear aimed at the average consumer.

[stckciv]

There is no way it is 3%

[Rumjungle]

Can't make money at 3% markup. That would be $30 profit on an L lens. I've seen closer to 19-20% from big retailers. Probably more at high volume sellers like B&H.

[sapearl]

I'm inclined to agree with you Rum... seems REALLY narrow. Although could be possible if these (supposedly small) profits are being subsidized by other Canon Corporation products. Maybe this enables their camera gear to compete more effectively against Nikon's price structure?

The old Regional Bell Operating Phone Companies (Ma Bell) used to practice product subsidy. Prior to the 1984 breakup of (the old) AT&T, the artificially low cost of local telco service was subsidized by the then high cost of long distance service.

Can't make money at 3% markup. That would be $30 profit on an L lens. I've seen closer to 19-20% from big retailers. Probably more at high volume sellers like B&H.

[davidwegs]

Heard from my pro lab that Canon supposedly has one of the narrowest markups on it's gear - only 3%.

If true, I'm a little surprised


Well, you may as well be surprised. A LOT! :-) If a manufacturer of any product operated with less than a NET 10% margin, they would certainly fail. Most operate with a 14 -18% margin. I imagine Canon to be well above even that point.

Go tell that sales PRO that his information serves only his agenda and is far from the truth. I would doubt any other information they share with you too.

[mdr]

Maybe it was one of the new Samsung DSLR's disquised as a Canon as no-one would want to own up to buying a Samsung :D

[amtphoto]

http://333.fotoc.com/d/554393-2/userid88670time20060101151739.jpg
Not sure if its going to be 50D, whatever it might be, I just hope it has a bigger brighter viewfinder along with a better AF system.

[Barb42]

Well, it will be something since the price on the 20D just dropped 20%.

[CurtTerp]

and here I sit with my trusty 10D, and no money to buy something different.....
:(


:lol:

[CyberDyneSystems]

10D still takes a damn fine picture,.allways has ,. allways will.

[Tom W]

10D still takes a damn fine picture,.allways has ,. allways will.

Yes it does. And the body is just the right size. Might be a perfect companion to the 5D. :)

[.me]

In canada, if you're a member of CPS and you are a PP (professional Photographer), canons head-office-canada gives you 3% off their retail price, which is quite the same in all retail stores.
So i am not sure which 3% you are talking about... whenever 20 came out it was 2199 CAD, the cost was 1800, so that leaves us 18.(18)%.
Right now the camera is 1800, with a cost of 1500, with a percentage of 16.6(6)%


Heard from my pro lab that Canon supposedly has one of the narrowest markups on it's gear - only 3%. That could explain why nobody locally is willing to deal better than list price on a 5D or some recent L lenses (also probably the fact that the 5D is still so new).

If true, I'm a little surprised - I'd have thought the higher end stuff would have a higher mark-up since it's not quite competing with the gear aimed at the average consumer.

[CurtTerp]

10D still takes a damn fine picture,.allways has ,. allways will.


I love my 10D..... and my wife loves her 10D.... it is a very nice camera.....

I would like to get the 5D to add to the bag, but there are a couple of other things I would like first...... :D

[I Simonius]

Okay, so I'm the noob here. As I see it all the talk is an upgraded 20D and the introduction of a 3D? So my question for everyone is, do you think that Canon will introduce a revised version of the Rebel XT?

who cares? - were all camping outside the Canon store until the end of Feb so we get in to see it first before ANYONE ELSE

Mouahahahahaaaaa:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[.me]

what do they have new in perspective to new lenses?

[echo]

I love my 10D..... and my wife loves her 10D.... it is a very nice camera.....

I would like to get the 5D to add to the bag, but there are a couple of other things I would like first...... :D

I now have a 5D :) but my 10D is the camera I take on holidays and dodgy areas.

[Hellashot]

Oops, my bad. I read the conversion table I was looking at backwards.

Like I said before, I'd love to see a 3D model sell for much less than the 5D. It just seems a bit inconsistent with their current naming convention to me. Perhaps a 3D, if it exists, is intended to be Canon's Nikon D200 killer. That might explain the rumored price.

The 3D was a photoshopped fake. Someone added a D to an EOS-3.

[Hellashot]

There'll be a website leak (free viral advertising) in mid-February. Anyway, the camera won't hit the streets till summer at the earliest. Just announced at PMA to get Canon airtime amongst all the other DSLR launches (built round the new Sony chip).


Canon typically releases cameras 1 month after official announcement, unlike Nikon. :)

[davidwegs]

Canon typically releases cameras 1 month after official announcement, unlike Nikon. :)


Yup.

[CyberDyneSystems]

Still expect to wait as mucgh as three months to have it in your hands.. No one really got MkII's before May.. with a Feb announcement.. on the other hand,. the 20D was not much more than a month if I recall.

[ijohnson]

10D still takes a damn fine picture,.allways has ,. allways will.

Praise the lord!!

I still want trade it in for something better. Shhhh!! I hope she's not listening.

[ijohnson]

Still expect to wait as mucgh as three months to have it in your hands.. No one really got MkII's before May.. with a Feb announcement.. on the other hand,. the 20D was not much more than a month if I recall.

Maybe the turnaround will be faster here in Korea, just across a small pond from Japan. The 20D was out VERY quickly though I can't remember how fast exactly. I will be sure to let everyone know. I do remember all the black 300D's out here when I first arrived. They were 20 bucks more expensive but OH so much nicer looking. They took better pictures too!

[jlw82]

no more info guys?

[Jon]

no more info guys?What part of "rumor" don't you understand? The only actual facts in this whole thread are about models which have already been released. If Canon releases anything, based on past performances there'll only be a 20D successor. The 350D and 5D are too recent for new/competitive models based on past practice.

[sapearl]

Most accurate info I've heard yet, right on the button - great specs! Who's your source? :lol: .

What part of "rumor" don't you understand? The only actual facts in this whole thread are about models which have already been released. If Canon releases anything, based on past performances there'll only be a 20D successor. The 350D and 5D are too recent for new/competitive models based on past practice.

[Jon]

Most accurate info I've heard yet, right on the button - great specs! Who's your source? :lol: .Canon's press releases!

[Rumjungle]

I don't know if this means anything, but Costco.com has just pulled the 1dmkiin and rebel xt from its lineup.

[ijohnson]

That means they aren't selling Canon anymore I would guess. I can't imagine that they are being replaced.

[dpastern]

I don't know if this means anything, but Costco.com has just pulled the 1dmkiin and rebel xt from its lineup.

I seriously doubt the 1dmark IIn will be discontinued, since it was only introduced a few months ago. The rebel XT is a possibility for replacement, possibly a 10mp variant with a slightly larger buffer to compete with the D70s. The XT loses out to the D70s in many areas, most importantly (at least in my eyes), build quality and feel.

The 20D is the one that's slated for replacement I reckon.

Dave

[sapearl]

It could be significant...... or just possibly it's as simple as a change in their purchasing contract with Canon. Maybe they no longer get a good "quantity break" on the items - happens all the time with vendors, so the item gets dropped. Time and PMA will tell :lol: .

I don't know if this means anything, but Costco.com has just pulled the 1dmkiin and rebel xt from its lineup.

[Rumjungle]

I'm sorry, let me correct myself. I meant to say that Costco.com dropped the Rebel XT and the 1DMkII (not the "N"). They still carry the 20D and a couple of lenses.

[iyt2001]

http://www.caborian.com/cabor_images/varias/canon30D.jpg

Don't know if you've seen it yet. Sorry if this is a repeat

[In2Photos]

http://www.caborian.com/cabor_images/varias/canon30D.jpg

Don't know if you've seen it yet. Sorry if this is a repeat

Looks like no built in flash. Other than that I have no idea what a 20D looks like from recollection to compare it to.

[Rumjungle]

I haven't seen that exact one before, but taking away the built-in flash is a surprise.

[JBF]

I'm waiting for the 36-24-36D

I'll have the one in Blond!!!

I'm waiting for the "90210-D"

... or the
"0U812-D" ;)

[Dockland]

http://www.caborian.com/cabor_images/varias/canon30D.jpg

Don't know if you've seen it yet. Sorry if this is a repeat

That´s a Canon EOS 20D on the photo.

[wbessada]

Looks like no built in flash. Other than that I have no idea what a 20D looks like from recollection to compare it to.

Look more closely the flash is there... looks like a photoshop'd 20D. The only difference in the entire pic is the 3!

[iyt2001]

Look more closely the flash is there... looks like a photoshop'd 20D. The only difference in the entire pic is the 3!

it looks like 20D to me as well. 99.99% this is fake.

[JBF]

Have you all been to this site. Talks about the 3D........looks pretty good to me, if its a fake then its a good fake.
http://www.dphotojournal.com/category/rumors/

What do ya think?

it looks like 20D to me as well. 99.99% this is fake.

[chris clements]

I think we should rewind 15 or 20 pages and press 'play'

[Doom1701e]

The 3D is a fake. There will not be a 3D right now. Too close of compition with the 5D which just came out a few months ago.

I think we should rewind 15 or 20 pages and press 'play'

Sounds like a good idea.

[Tom W]

http://www.caborian.com/cabor_images/varias/canon30D.jpg

Don't know if you've seen it yet. Sorry if this is a repeat

Closest thing to a legit site yet. They have done some test reports, if I'm not mistaken. But.......

[jacobsen1]

Have you all been to this site. Talks about the 3D........looks pretty good to me, if its a fake then its a good fake.
http://www.dphotojournal.com/category/rumors/

What do ya think?

What everyone is saying is that that particular chop was brought up a few pages back... this thread is rathe rlong so I know why you missed it... Anyway that camera is an admitted hoax. It is one of the best chops ever, but look at the battery and then go look at some Nikon cameras that exist. Not sure which one, but that is a nikon battery on a canon hadgepodge of cameras. It's good looking, but 100% fake.
Ben

[Mike_B]

I think we should rewind 15 or 20 pages and press 'play'

That's so true and so funny too!

Cheers

[shiato storm]

jeeze - page 32!...what a lot of piffle, i can't quite understand how we all managed 32 pages of unsubstantiated claims to knowing whats going to be in the next camera(s) but here we are...keep up the good work !! :D

[EOSAddict]

Yours made it Page 33 shiato ;)

[shiato storm]

yay!

[jacobsen1]

jeeze - page 32!...what a lot of piffle, i can't quite understand how we all managed 32 pages of unsubstantiated claims to knowing whats going to be in the next camera(s) but here we are...keep up the good work !! :D

Yours made it Page 33 shiato ;)

:lol:

Sorry, I know I'm the n00b here, but page 32/33??? Are you guys crazy? I thought everyone set their accounts up to be 50 posts/page...

It's page 10 here...

[CyberDyneSystems]

I'm on page 25,,, :lol:

[Hellashot]

Have you all been to this site. Talks about the 3D........looks pretty good to me, if its a fake then its a good fake.
http://www.dphotojournal.com/category/rumors/

What do ya think?

It's a huge fake. There's no reason for the camera. The 20D is all that's needed to be replaced, 1-series bodies aside.

[jacobsen1]

I'm on page 25,,, :lol:

we have a running joke on the other forum I frequent about how so and so must be viewing the board 25 posts at a time when they get put in the penalty box as everyone over there seems to like the 50 posts per page layout. I've gotten so used to it it seems odd to see it any other way. Of course I'm also used to no signatures or avatars either so it's definately a different board over there. All I know is vBulletin is the best forum software I've experienced.

The other funny thing is you have to remember what's an inside joke and what isn't. I'm too new here to know about any of the inside jokes yet, but "over there" they do this IBxyz and WTLW thing all the time that no one would get here...

[celter]

I went to my Canon dealer today and he told me that Canon were releasing a 30D next month and a 7D ( a stripped down 5D). He seems well informed. Is this official in some way now?

[CyberDyneSystems]

Sure,. you posted it in a rumor thread,. it must be offical.. :lol:

No.. I don't think so ;) When ( if ) there IS an official announcement you can bet there will be a big sticky post on the top of the forum;

"-=OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT=- New Models" etc..

Till then .. as mentioned a few dozen times thus far,. it's all rumor. Nothing in your rumor is any more official than the other 32,.. no 25,. no 10 pages of rumor.

[Doom1701e]

Stop the rumor train, I wanna get off! :confused:

[blue_max]

When does rumour become speculation?

I used to like it when it was hear-say. But remember when it was 'word on the street!"

Graham

[CyberDyneSystems]

Could just be innuendo?

Hypothesis,. ? Theory? Axiom?

Not yet anyways..

Or plain old baloney! :lol:

[In2Photos]

Could just be innuendo?

Hypothesis,. ? Theory? Axiom?

Not yet anyways..

Or plain old baloney! :lol:

OK Oscar Mayer, it is b o l o g n a!

[Diminished29]

OK Oscar Mayer, it is b o l o g n a!

That darn G messes everybody up....stupid english. :lol:

[davidfig]

33 pages, what a bunch of studs and vixens. We are a sorry bunch. Unless Canon is hiding something, we know what's coming out in the PMA right?

[Alpieagle]

Lets do a list with people who will have a heart attack when they realize Canon decided to wait until August to announce their new body. :cool:

EDIT:
Oooops, page 34...

[roanjohn]

I'm waiting for the 36-24-36D

I'll have the one in Blond!!!

:mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

Mark is very protective of his wife........

Ro1

[roanjohn]

Lets do a list with people who will have a heart attack when they realize Canon decided to wait until August to announce their new body. :cool:

EDIT:
Oooops, page 34...

With the lack of "Leaks" available on the net............I won't be surprised if this will be the case.

Pro2 anyone?? :lol: :lol: :lol: .......or G8.

Ro1

[Longwatcher]

So far we highly suspect a 20D replacement with the possibility of maybe a 1DsMkII"N" version and smaller possibility of a 3000D.

We also suspect one to two new lens announcements.

We don't expect an actual upgrade for 1DsMkII or upgrade to i9900 printer until fall.

As to name of 20D replacement, most reliable compilation of rumours puts it as 35D, but even then it is running about 50/50 at best, with 30D a close follower.

The lens rumors seem to focus on at least one or more of the following
- 50/1.2L
- 85/1.2L II (with faster focus mechanism)
- 200/1.8L II (unleaded)
- 100-400/4.5-5.6L with improved IS
- 70-200/4 IS
and a 35mm/f-something
Strangely few if any rumors for a new EF-S mount lens.

As to my bets...

Canon will announce at least one camera upgrade/improvement. And if it didn't cost much for the bet I would bet on at least one new or improved lens. That's about my limit to bets on new equipment.

I am willing to also bet a small amount that Canon will make the announcement on Monday the 6th or Monday the 13th of Feb (US date). (I lean slightly towards 13th).

[PacAce]

That darn G messes everybody up....stupid english. :lol:
I'm pretty sure the word came from Italy for a town there. :)

[CoolToolGuy]

I'm waiting for the 36-24-36D

You may be onto something! I heard Canon was going to introduce a model just for the glamour/porn industry - The 36DD :o

Have Fun,

[roanjohn]

I'm trying to recall the months/weeks before the 20D/5D/XT announcements.........and its usually Canon themselves who does a "supposedly accidental" leak on thier website..............and it usually happens a week before the "OFFICIAL" announcement from Lake Success.

.........just my observations of an ongoing trend.

Ro1

[In2Photos]

You may be onto something! I heard Canon was going to introduce a model just for the glamour/porn industry - The 36DD :o

Have Fun,

Yeah, that didn't get as much as a response as I thought it would.:lol:


Ok, I have the latest information on the camera replacing the 20D. It is going to be called the Double D.:lol: For obvious reasons it will be FF, so you have to get closer to your "subject" to get "them" all on the "sensor".:p


Seriously, what does everyone think about the 25D? Why do we have to jump to 50? Since I just got my XT last month I won't be buying one but I am a total gear head. Not just photography either. I am a gear head for most consumer electronics.

[roanjohn]

You may be onto something! I heard Canon was going to introduce a model just for the glamour/porn industry - The 36DD :o

Have Fun,

KISS

XXXT!!!

RO1:lol:

[4x4rock]

The new model MUST have voice commands.

Nothing beats when you're in a crowd and someone yell, "Shoot NOW", and then you hear the thundering of the shutter sound goes off :D