[[Unofficial Rumor Thread]] (Merge City)

[Rumjungle]

Wanna bet we're well over 1000 posts before the PMA?;)

[Cathpah]

I sure do hope that norwegian magazine is wrong about the crop factor. None of the advantages of the 1.6 (longer zoom) yet still not full frame? ewww. At least the 1.6 crop factor has a definite advantage to having that crop.

[chris clements]

I'm only on page 25. :)
Is it physically possible to pile s**t that high ?

[sapearl]

Not a 35D.......instead the prize should be a bound edition of all the repetitive posts and speculations in this forum.

I wonder what you get as a prize..........maybe a 35D?? ;)

Ro1

[PacAce]

OK, from DPR, a supposedly direct translation of the text of one of the pages on the Norwegian web site:
Why would there be a need to translate the Norwegian text? There's an English text directly below the Norwegian text. :)

[In2Photos]

Why would there be a need to translate the Norwegian text? There's an English text directly below the Norwegian text. :)

HaHa!!! That is pretty funny.

[BugEyes]

I have read the article, being swedish I understand the language.
There's no confirmed news whatsoever so far except the date for a press conference. They are merely echoing rumors that have been around here for a while and they publish the same questioned images that we have seen before. It might be true, might be false. nothing in the article to indicate what as of yet. Pure speculatiuon that anyone here could do just as good.
I get the feeling they snapped these rumors from the web and publish prematurely. Especially the 1.3 crop thing makes me doubtful, no way I say. The 20D owners with EF-S lenses would think twice and again.
In a Swedish forum the main rumor is about built in IS in the house, I belive it when I see it.

[Tom W]

Why would there be a need to translate the Norwegian text? There's an English text directly below the Norwegian text. :)

LOL - I haven't read that far yet. :o

[Tom W]

I have read the article, being swedish I understand the language.
There's no confirmed news whatsoever so far except the date for a press conference. They are merely echoing rumors that have been around here for a while and they publish the same questioned images that we have seen before. It might be true, might be false. nothing in the article to indicate what as of yet. Pure speculatiuon that anyone here could do just as good.
I get the feeling they snapped these rumors from the web and publish prematurely. Especially the 1.3 crop thing makes me doubtful, no way I say. The 20D owners with EF-S lenses would think twice and again.
In a Swedish forum the main rumor is about built in IS in the house, I belive it when I see it.

It's pictured with an EF-S lens. There's lots of "probably" and "maybe" in the article, but the name and image are said to be confirmed by 2 independent sources. They are working on trying to get the specs. Phil Askey will be POed if somebody violates their NDA and he's scooped when he adheres to his. Perhaps Canon's planning a short press release today announcing the camera with minimal info.

Somewhere back in this thread, we saw what are possibly accurate specs. Maybe. Could be. Perhaps. :)

[BugEyes]

"the name and image are said to be confirmed by 2 independent sources"

I wonder if those sources might be these forums and DP-review?

They have howerver firmly stated that they got directly from Canon that there will be a new DSLR presented on the 21'st.
That's the big news of today so that we no longer only think, but know. They don't say firmly that it's a 20D successor but they guess it. It might still be the rumored 3000D budget camera they are talking about or something else.

[Jon]

"the name and image are said to be confirmed by 2 independent sources"

I wonder if those sources might be these forums and DP-review?
. . . and we can confirm the truth of that posting since it's also showed up on Dp review, so we've seen it 2 places, and . . .

[Tom W]

It might be a good idea to talk to a couple of photographers from Norway, or at least some that know of this web site. It's reputed to be a reliable site by several people around the net. Doesn't mean that it is, of course, but there is some basis to investigate further before casting doubt.

that's the problem with the rumour mill - we never know when the real "leak" is going to show up.

[roanjohn]

Well........the photographs that has been leaked a few weeks back are now confirmed by Canon to be real.

Just for the record........it will be 1.6x crop as the photo has an EF-s lens attached.

Also, I doubt it will be more than 12 mpx.............so a safe bet would be 10.3 mpx.

I am almost positive that it will have a 2.5 inch LCD.

I am also betting that it will use a similar AF pattern to the 5D......... :-(

And..............SPOT METERING!!!

Ro1

[PacAce]

It might be a good idea to talk to a couple of photographers from Norway, or at least some that know of this web site. It's reputed to be a reliable site by several people around the net. Doesn't mean that it is, of course, but there is some basis to investigate further before casting doubt.

that's the problem with the rumour mill - we never know when the real "leak" is going to show up.
If you read the English version of what's on the Norwegian web site, you can easily see that what they are reporting on are rumors that they have heard. They're not specifically saying that the camera pictured is for real.

[CyberDyneSystems]

Well........the photographs that has been leaked a few weeks back are now confirmed by Canon to be real.

Just for the record........it will be 1.6x crop as the photo has an EF-s lens attached.

Also, I doubt it will be more than 12 mpx.............so a safe bet would be 10.3 mpx.

I am almost positive that it will have a 2.5 inch LCD.

I am also betting that it will use a similar AF pattern to the 5D......... :-(

And..............SPOT METERING!!!

Ro1

Umm.. where did we get Canon confirmation of these rumors?

[BugEyes]

I've seen those specs from more than one speculator, they must be true.

[Jon]

I've seen those specs from more than one speculator, they must be true.
Or collusion.

[blue_max]

In a Swedish forum the main rumor is about built in IS in the house, I belive it when I see it.


I would suggest that having IS built into the body might play havoc with the one built into their lenses - especally as they have only just launched the 24-105IS.

For that reason, I think that may be a non-starter.

Graham

[BugEyes]

I would suggest that having IS built into the body might play havoc with the one built into their lenses - especally as they have only just launched the 24-105IS.

For that reason, I think that may be a non-starter.

Graham

I don't belive it either, was just reporting the rumour.

[Tom W]

If you read the English version of what's on the Norwegian web site, you can easily see that what they are reporting on are rumors that they have heard. They're not specifically saying that the camera pictured is for real.

The English translation may be a bit behind, since it is a Norweigen web site. Anyway, the quoted translation I reported earlier was from a Norweigen guy that presumably speaks the language fluently. Not sure about honestly, but I'm willing to bet 50 cents at this point that there is a new camera called the 35D that will be announced at a press conference by Canon on Feb 21st. :)

Note that I'm not betting my life's savings though - just half of it. :D

[Tom W]

Or collusion.

Given the number of different quoted specs, there's also good odds that two will quote the same thing. ;)

[Jon]

Given the number of different quoted specs, there's also good odds that two will quote the same thing. ;)Also quite true.At this stage, I'd suspect collusion if two people "independently" quoted the same specs across the board. From what we've seen so far, it'd take a sample of 10 ppeople to come up with specs that have 2 agreeing on any given detail.
;{)#

[Longwatcher]

And for the intensely interested I caught part of what appears to be an update on the Canon USA site about 3 minutes ago (1515 EST), Didn't see new camera, but did see what appeared to be a new page. Which I forgot to screen capture because it did not look like it had loaded properly. It stayed out for about 3 minutes. It was laid out differently enough to be obvious. It looked like they were getting an update ready for the site. Still don't know why they don't test on another computer and then upload the update like everyone else, but apparently they don't.

Back to normal though.

Just thought I would pass on to help the rumor mill.

[roanjohn]

And for the intensely interested I caught part of what appears to be an update on the Canon USA site about 3 minutes ago (1515 EST), Didn't see new camera, but did see what appeared to be a new page. Which I forgot to screen capture because it did not look like it had loaded properly. It stayed out for about 3 minutes. It was laid out differently enough to be obvious. It looked like they were getting an update ready for the site. Still don't know why they don't test on another computer and then upload the update like everyone else, but apparently they don't.

Back to normal though.

Just thought I would pass on to help the rumor mill.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: It's starting!!!!

Ro1

[roanjohn]

To quote Brokeback Mountain

"I wish I knew how to quit you.........."

Darn u Canon!!! :-)
Ro1

[joekr]

Just thought I would share....

http://www.fotografi.no/

[chancellor]

"... Reports indicate a 10 Mp 1,3 camera, but these specifications are not yet confirmed." If this is true, does this mean that the camera will be 1.3 cropping? If yes, what will it mean to Canon's EF-S lenses? For Rebel producl line only?

[kawter2]

IDIOTS!!!!

haha 1.3 crop camera with a ef-s lens mounted and a 5D grip attached...

nice try

(prepare to be merged)

[subtle_spectre]

I have a source on the west coast that tells me we are in store for more than just a 20D upgrade or successor. His word is the 350D/XT will also be unveiled in upgrade form...350DMkII !!! He tells me all Canon lcd screen are going to 2.5 inches for cost savings, so the new xt will have that, plus have a precision center focus point and allow ISO3200! He goes on to say that there will be a price increase but still be offered under 1000.00 usd. My source, who I call Bob Smith, was very sure!:rolleyes:

[Rumjungle]

IDIOTS!!!!

haha 1.3 crop camera with a ef-s lens mounted and a 5D grip attached...

nice try

(prepare to be merged)


LOL...ooops!

[Tom W]

(prepare to be merged)

Aye Aye, Rigging for merging. Man the forward merging room, blow the ballast, take this to the bottom of the big thread.

[terse22]

Found this today............Is it real???????????

http://www.upcdatabase.com/item.pl?upc=082966214202

It shows someone registered a barcode for a Canon 70D on Feb 3, 2006?

[Jon]

You will be assimilated, er, merged.

[kawter2]

Found this today............Is it real???????????

http://www.upcdatabase.com/item.pl?upc=082966214202

It shows someone registered a barcode for a Canon 70D on Feb 3, 2006?

hrum, this is not very convincing


Internet UPC Database

Welcome to the Internet UPC Database! One reason this site exists is for me to practice my own web development & database skills, experiment with new things, and to get a good laugh.

[BTBeilke]

IDIOTS!!!!

haha 1.3 crop camera with a ef-s lens mounted and a 5D grip attached...

nice try

(prepare to be merged)

Wouldn't it be totally logical for the 20D update to use the same grip as the 5D? With all of the troubles they've had with the 20D grip, they surely will drop that model. IMO, it would be stupid of them to use anything but the 5D grip on the 35D (or 30D or whatever).

On the other hand, 1.3x crop factor would be totally illogical.

[nitsch]

Wouldn't it be totally logical for the 20D update to use the same grip as the 5D? With all of the troubles they've had with the 20D grip, they surely will drop that model. IMO, it would be stupid of them to use anything but the 5D grip on the 35D (or 30D or whatever).

Call me cynical but I reckon it will have a new grip, Canon make more money if they have a unique grip for each DSLR model. :confused:

[CyberDyneSystems]

And yet,. D30, D60 and 10D all used the same grip.. so it could go either way?



You should see Jon merge in busy traffic,. all the others zooming up front jockying for a space,. causing heatache and traffic jams... not Jon.. he merges with the grace of a gazzelle..

[EOSAddict]

How many people will realistically own a 35D and a 5D. Using the same grip cuts out new design and tooling costs - therefore more profit...

[BTBeilke]

Call me cynical but I reckon it will have a new grip, Canon make more money if they have a unique grip for each DSLR model. :confused:

The only way I could see them making more money would be in the case of a person who owned multiple non-1-series cameras who ended up buying a grip for each camera. How many people (percentage of all DSLR buyers) actually do that? Then, from that relatively small increase in sales you would have to subtract the overhead associated with manufacturing, packaging, inventorying, and distributing multiple grip models which would not be trivial.

The best way, IMO, for them to make more money would be to sell one high quality grip that could be used on multiple cameras. But who knows?

[Hellashot]

Found this today............Is it real???????????

http://www.upcdatabase.com/item.pl?upc=082966214202

It shows someone registered a barcode for a Canon 70D on Feb 3, 2006?

Not bad.. nice find! Maybe that's the 6MP Drebel repackaged that's been rumored to be the 3000D or the 370D.

[jporter12]

How about this UPC entry for a 320D:

http://www.upcdatabase.com/item.pl?upc=082967214201

Interesting.... Stripped down 350D?

[jporter12]

Does Noink have a Coolpix 3100? It's also got a new UPC. I like that site!

[kawter2]

<<Internet UPC Database

Welcome to the Internet UPC Database! One reason this site exists is for me to practice my own web development & database skills, experiment with new things, and to get a good laugh.
>>

[jporter12]

Welcome to the Internet UPC Database! One reason this site exists is for me to practice my own web development & database skills, experiment with new things, and to get a good laugh.

Yeah, I had just noticed that it wasn't so official.... BUT....where did those numbers come from? Did someone feed them to him to mislead people (Canon themselves?) or ????

[theflyingkiwi]

you know I have never been able to merge with traffic, while on the look out for rumors :)

[GeForceFX]

a belgian store-owner just told us (on a dutch forum) that the new 20D will cost 1798€, and there will also be a new lens, wich will be around 1000€

[montreal]

Here is (presumably) a pic of the new 35D (with the 20D to the right)

http://fotografi.no/media/35DA460.jpg

According to the norwegian website fotobruker.no, the sensor will be 10 megapixels, and the ratio will be 1.6X.

Apparently Canon will launch it at a press conference in Oslo on Februrary the 21th.

[montreal]

The same website even claims to have a picture of an instruction manual.

http://fotografi.no/240/35D240.jpg

edit: Oops... didn't read this thread before I started my own (and got merged)... Pictures have already been posted... Sorry bout that.

[blue_max]

According to the norwegian website fotobruker.no, the sensor will be 10 megapixels, and the ratio will be 1.6X.

Will that be enough to tempt any but the 'latest and greatest' brigade to swop their 20d's. I fear not. Looks like I may be using my 10d for some time to come if those specs are right.

It's a bit of an anti-climax, unless they have made the sensor more sensitive with greater dynamic range. I would have liked spot metering too (surely not too hard to include).

Graham

[Jon]

Here is (presumably) a pic of the new 35D (with the 20D to the right)



According to the norwegian website fotobruker.no, the sensor will be 10 megapixels, and the ratio will be 1.6X.

Apparently Canon will launch it at a press conference in Oslo on Februrary the 21th.
That's a real breakthrough post. Is this a Write-Only thread (http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showpost.php?p=1168160&postcount=733), or does anyone read what other people have posted?

[Steve Parr]

Have a look at the grip for the EOS30 (the film one!), it is considerbally higher quality than the 20D's one, fits the camera much better, no issues with that at all (the grip for the EOS50 needed a small folded piece of paper as a spacer to make it work properly!)

In the month that I've had the grip, I've had one minor issue with it, which was quickly corrected, and didn't result in me losing any shot opportunities.

Comparing it to the grip for the EOS30 is pointless. I don't have an EOS30...

Steve

[Steve Parr]

i wonder what the price will be, and when its possible to buy,

Such is the beauty of a rumor...

Steve

[montreal]

That's a real breakthrough post. Is this a Write-Only thread (http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showpost.php?p=1168160&postcount=733), or does anyone read what other people have posted?

As I explained in my post edit, I started this as an independent thread and it got (understandably) merged. No, I hadn't read this thread (and quite frankly, when the posting list is over 50 pages long, I don't feel like it).

[roanjohn]

Whoever post the 1000th post wins!!!

Ro1

This is going to take longer than expected..........

BUt.........I remember when Nikon debuted with the D70.........and I thought CAnon would never be able to trump it with the 10D........but they did and more!!! SO whatever Canon will introduce now, it will most likely leave the D200 in the dust.

810!!!! :-p

Ro1

Nah - it was only 809 when I saw it, and I've just demoted it some more. - Jon

[In2Photos]

Whoever post the 1000th post wins!!!

Ro1 806

Whoever post the 1000th post wins!!!

Ro1 807




... ok that will take forever.

807




... ok that will take forever.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: 808??

Ro1

Man, you guys are fast!!!

But..........I think that by 1000th post, the new DSLR will be revealed........and this whole thread will be irrelevant!!!

812??

Ro1

[Tom W]

A thousand posts,

I think we'll see....

In a day or two....

Or maybe three! :)

Burma Shave!

They are brutally fast.

Note to self: Always play with the forums when the mods aren't looking!

[Jon]

I can merge 'em (or delete) as fast as you can post. Please try to stay on topic, such as it is, so people have a chance to actually read the thread for the information, again such as it is, in it.

Note to Tom W. We'll be watching you!

[Tom W]

I can merge 'em (or delete) as fast as you can post. Please try to stay on topic, such as it is, so people have a chance to actually read the thread for the information, again such as it is, in it.

Note to Tom W. We'll be watching you!

LOL!

What about that new $1000 lens? ;)

[snibbetsj]

That's a real breakthrough post. Is this a Write-Only thread (http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showpost.php?p=1168160&postcount=733), or does anyone read what other people have posted?

That's worth a laugh Jon :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: (after 54 pages, my 1st post in this thread)

[Jon]

LOL!

What about that new $1000 lens? ;)
Uh-oh. Trying to bribe a mod! You're in trouble now!
;{)#

[Tom W]

Uh-oh. Trying to bribe a mod! You're in trouble now!
;{)#

It always works with Belmondo! ;)

[chris clements]

by 1000th post, the new DSLR will be revealed........and this whole thread will be irrelevant!!!
Irrelevancy hasn't done this thread any damage yet.
As there's no date in the title, on 22 February (Oslo time) we can just start speculating here on PMA 2007 announcements.

[Alpieagle]

That's a real breakthrough post. Is this a Write-Only thread (http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showpost.php?p=1168160&postcount=733), or does anyone read what other people have posted?

Read through all 54 sites - never felt that confused reading so much rumours at once :mad: ;)

[Tom W]

Irrelevancy hasn't done this thread any damage yet.
As there's no date in the title, on 22 February (Oslo time) we can just start speculating here on PMA 2007 announcements.

Isn't Photokina at the end of Summer?
:D

[spencer87]

i havent gotten my march issue of Photoshop User yet, but i took a peak at the table of contents on NAPP's website and saw that on page 86 there is a review of a "Canon EOS SD". No, its not a '5', its an S. Any ideas?

here's the page, though i think you have to be a napp member to view it.
http://www.photoshopuser.com/members/magcenter/magindex/mar06.php

a quick google search for Canon EOS SD yeilded this as well: http://www.rangefindermag.com/magazine/current_issue.tml

COLUMNS
Insight/On the Cover by Bill Hurter

First Exposure by John Rettie
Canon EOS-SD--More Like a Medium Format Camera

[JBF]

I am not so sure that the article in question on Rangefinder is not a typo. When you click on the article that says SD.....it takes you to a 5D Review. DANGIT!!

[Jon]

i havent gotten my march issue of Photoshop User yet, but i took a peak at the table of contents on NAPP's website and saw that on page 86 there is a review of a "Canon EOS SD". No, its not a '5', its an S. Any ideas?

here's the page, though i think you have to be a napp member to view it.
http://www.photoshopuser.com/members/magcenter/magindex/mar06.php

a quick google search for Canon EOS SD yeilded this as well: http://www.rangefindermag.com/magazine/current_issue.tml

COLUMNS
Insight/On the Cover by Bill Hurter

First Exposure by John Rettie
Canon EOS-SD--More Like a Medium Format Camera
Yeah. A typo. The article in Rangefinder is on the 5D. I'd suspect the same in PhotoShop User.

[Rumjungle]

The article on Rangefinder is a type-o. They're actually talking about the 5D.

Is there any way to get an excerpt from the Photoshop User article?

[Rumjungle]

Man, I take some time away from my reply to unwrap my croissant and two people already beat me to the punch. You guys are on the ball!:)

[SuzyView]

Just out of curiousity, why do we agonize over new great stuff? I just bought my 20D and sure enough, there are rumors there will be a replacement. So, if I ordered my 24-70L, which has been in my B&H cart for 2 weeks, there will most definitely be an annoucement of a lens that would be superior about a week later, maybe before the lens is delivered. :)

Should I wait or not?

[Jon]

No - go for it. They won't be replacing the 24-70 any time soon. And if you order from B&H today, you'll have it no later than Monday, probably even tomorrow if you don't dawdle any more so they can ship it out today.Seriously, 3-5 day UPS from them or Adorama gets to me next business day after they ship. Anything else Canon may come out with at PMA will be different from the existing L lineup.

[SuzyView]

I'm going to order it right now, as I am getting a little braver. I've been working like a dog to earn the money for it. I've been worried about the weight of it, thinking it is too heavy, but I actually like the camera being substantial. I hope with the hood and all, I don't look ridiculous. :)

[PacAce]

I'm going to order it right now, as I am getting a little braver. I've been working like a dog to earn the money for it. I've been worried about the weight of it, thinking it is too heavy, but I actually like the camera being substantial. I hope with the hood and all, I don't look ridiculous. :)
LOL :lol: You know, I purposely leave the hood on my 24-70, just so I won't look ridiculous. That lens is darn ulgly (IMHO) without the hood, especially when the barrel is extended out of the main body. ;)

[SuzyView]

I was at the middle school where a reporter from the local paper was using her N*kon with the most hideous lens with a huge hood. She looked completely lost with it. I knew it wasn't her personal stuff because she had the newspaper tags on it. I kind of had lens envy. ;) But I will look absolutely smashing with my new toy in a few days.

[Rumjungle]

Attagirl, Suzie! You go show her who's boss.;)

[spencer87]

definitely go for the lens suzy!

[joe_elway]

I was just in my local Canon reseller (a serious pro shop) and conversation steered (by me) to the future of the 20D and pricing, given the rumours of an announcement in the coming weeks.

The salesman was an ex-Canon employee and had been asking around himself. Canon employees know absolutely nothing of an imminent announcement. There is no "embargo" on information.

The salesman says either there is nothing happening or it's been kept very, very secret.

He reckoned there might not be anything coming.... his theory on this: the 20D is an excellent machine. Canon won't make if Full Sensor beceause that defeats the purpose of the 5D. They won't increase FPS because that puts it up against the 1D MK II N. More MP? It's already got enough to satisfy most users.

There's 1000+ of them sitting in the Canon warehouse in Ireland. They are still flying off the shelves.

BTW, at least in Ireland, rebates stopped being accepted on Dec 31st at 16:00. That's probably old news to most. Some retailers manged to get the price dropped by unbundling a 2GB CF that Canon were throwing in.

And to cap it all off, I got myself a 50MM F/1.8 and a second hand 1.4 II Extender.

[PacAce]

I was at the middle school where a reporter from the local paper was using her N*kon with the most hideous lens with a huge hood. She looked completely lost with it. I knew it wasn't her personal stuff because she had the newspaper tags on it. I kind of had lens envy. ;) But I will look absolutely smashing with my new toy in a few days.
Suzy, I hope you're not going to be too disappointed when you discover that the lens you ordered from B&H is the 24-70 f/2.8 instead of the 25-70 f/2.8 lens (as listed on your sig). :mrgreen:

[SuzyView]

Thanks. It's fixed.:o

[kenta]

I agree that 20D is still a perfect machine in its class. I am very satistied with it. But the marketing might not say the same as we do. Nikon has taken the lead with D200. I think there will be an announcement very soon. But with that limit set by 5D and 1dMkII, there is nothing 20D users would worry too much. Maybe it is a good chance for anyone still use D60 or 300D to reconsider their upgrading.

I miss the day when a camera model last 4-5 years on the market. I have read about Leica Digital M. The product manager said that they have a dificalty to maintain its price, new and used. I think it is true but sad, that the world turn into a marketing madness.

but ... we still can enjoy our dicisive moment of photogrphing.

Best regard,

[imagestablized]

Visting my old boss who was a rep for Canon on Saturday, Canon "maybe" releasing 2 new cameras at PMA. One to replace the 20D, and one to be between the 20D and 5D price range.

[kawter2]

basted on nikons lineup I would bet on a 20D replacement and one lower thatn the XT


....if i were a betting man ;)

[In2Photos]

basted on nikons lineup I would bet on a 20D replacement and one lower thatn the XT


....if i were a betting man ;)

What if you were a betting woman?:p

[roanjohn]

Visting my old boss who was a rep for Canon on Saturday, Canon "maybe" releasing 2 new cameras at PMA. One to replace the 20D, and one to be between the 20D and 5D price range.

WHOA!!! This would just pull the rug underneath everybody's feet..........but the 5D did kinda do that............

We'll see what happens.

Ro1

[subtle_spectre]

Ok...this just in from Bob Smith out West...Canon will be announcing a new camera that not only supercedes the 20D, but matches the 5D, as well, much in the way the 350D compares to the 20D. It will have, according to my source, VPD-variable pixel density -ranging from 8 mp to 11 mp. It also comes with the larger lcd and a few other bells. He tells me it will be called the 35vpD!

[SuzyView]

What? Canon would never call something all those letters. I'm already confused. ;)

[Adekeyser]

The logical thing is they will come out with something. But it might be later in the year to catch the XMAS rush. Or they might be coming out with something that we have not even thought of. I would guess that they make more off of the point and shoots and they may concentrate on that.

[Kadath]

The 20D is a kick ass machine and you cant go wrong with it, but seriously if you are in the market for one you cant go wrong waiting till PMA just to see what they DO announce. Maybe a replacement, maybe new glass, maybe nothing. Any way you slice it, its worth waiting on big purchases right now.

[Rumjungle]

How about the "35 V.D."?;)

[sapearl]

Only if they sold it with adequate "protection."

How about the "35 V.D."?;)

[ddelallata]

I hope that they don't come out with a replacement soon, because if they do I'm going to want one but won't be able to afford one.

[CoolToolGuy]

Only if they sold it with adequate "protection."

Doesn't a hood denote that sort of meaning to the Brits? :o

Have Fun,

[joe_elway]

I'm happy with my 350D for now. I never get the light to make use of the higher FPS which is all I'd really want out of the 20D..... but maybe later in the year I'll pick up a second hand body :-)

[FlipsidE]

Honestly...for the price, you can't beat the 20D. It really is a great camera.

[steved110]

I second everything said about the 20D - I think it will take a long time before I outgrow this camera - if ever.
If I upgrade, it will be because I want a full frame ( when they cost less) or because my 20d is history for some ghastly reason!

FWIW, I don't believe the Ni*** D200 competes with the 20D - they are not in the same ballpark at all. I reckon it competes rather poorly with the 5d, though most reviewers seem to feel it handles better.
Better schmetter!

[puttick]

My trusted dealer in the UK today told me that the new Canon will be released on 21st February, and will be called the 50D. Priced just above current 20D, no details but at that level will be 1.6x crop, most likely 10MP, expect bigger LCD.

[I Simonius]

Doesn't a hood denote that sort of meaning to the Brits? :o

Have Fun,

Not really, it denotes the uncircumcised parrt of the male anatomy:rolleyes:

[I Simonius]

Ok...this just in from Bob Smith out West...Canon will be announcing a new camera that not only supercedes the 20D, but matches the 5D, as well, much in the way the 350D compares to the 20D. It will have, according to my source, VPD-variable pixel density -ranging from 8 mp to 11 mp. It also comes with the larger lcd and a few other bells. He tells me it will be called the 35vpD!

I'd heard that was a 24MP 1D/1Ds upgrade which gives the ability to shoot FF at slower rate or cropped frame at higher frame rate per sec. i.e. merging the capabilities of the 1D and the 1Ds, = high MPs v shooting rate, variable in the same camera

[JaertX]

No - go for it. They won't be replacing the 24-70 any time soon. And if you order from B&H today, you'll have it no later than Monday, probably even tomorrow if you don't dawdle any more so they can ship it out today.Seriously, 3-5 day UPS from them or Adorama gets to me next business day after they ship. Anything else Canon may come out with at PMA will be different from the existing L lineup.

Actually, might hold off on it for a few months. The current 24-70 doesn't have IS. My inside source tells me a fast, wide zoom with IS. I'll make up some more details about it later.

[FlyingPete]

I'd heard that was a 24MP 1D/1Ds upgrade which gives the ability to shoot FF at slower rate or cropped frame at higher frame rate per sec. i.e. merging the capabilities of the 1D and the 1Ds, = high MPs v shooting rate, variable in the same camera

Funny, an interview with a Canon rep around a year ago on Toms Hardware cited a 22MP 1D series and a "possibility":

Consumers generally don't care about really high megapixel counts. It's the commercial studio that need to do double page spreads or 11 inch by 7 inch prints at 300dpi. We don't think there will be a huge jump in megapixels, rather it will be incremental, like f-stops. The Canon 1DS Mark II is at 16 megapixels, our next camera might have 22 megapixels. On the compact point and shoot cams, each pixel is about 2 microns across, on the large frame cameras like the 1DS Mark II, the size is 6.4 microns or larger. Theoretically, if you didn't care about noise, digital SLR resolution could increase 6 to 8 times higher to about 100 megapixels, but you would have to deal with huge file sizes.

Reality is they probaably have developed the technology, just the market is not quite ready. I have seen a 12GB Hitachi Microdrive working sample, that hasn't made it into production due to the market not being ready yet.

[JohnnyBlood]

Hmmm...when I go to Amazon.com and type in "Canon 35D" in the general search field the Canon 5D automatically comes up. When I type in Canon 3D, 7D, 45D, 2D, 30D, etc. it says it can't find what I'm looking for. Hmmm.

[kawter2]

Hmmm...when I go to Amazon.com and type in "Canon 35D" in the general search field the Canon 5D automatically comes up. When I type in Canon 3D, 7D, 45D, 2D, 30D, etc. it says it can't find what I'm looking for. Hmmm.

BACK AWAY FROM THE COFFEE AND GET SOME SLEEP>!>!>! ;)

[overclock]

My 20D rocks. Especially for the price I paid; about $835 after rebate, coupon, cashback. I doubt if I'll get the new model for that much.

[JohnnyG]

I'm not worried the slightest! My 20D is as awesome now as when I bought it and it's still better than I am! When I get better than it, I'll look to move up but honestly, I can't see what they could announce that would move me.

I love my 20D!!!:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

[Jetmech1]

My 20D rocks. Especially for the price I paid; about $835 after rebate, coupon, cashback. I doubt if I'll get the new model for that much.

Where did you get one for that price?

[Ikinaa]

I've got the ultimate news :


...
Canon will or will not bring a new camera that will or will not match an existing camera and will or will not fit somewhere in the whole line.
...

[lakiluno]

I've got the ultimate news :


:D

[roanjohn]

OK........so now Pentax is getting into the Medium Format market......with sensor size bigger than our beloved 1Ds. I think thats a big deal..........The rumors for the updated 1Ds is a 22 mpx camera..........which almost rivals medium format.

.............OK, I think I just lost my point.

RO1

[kawter2]

ok i have too much time.. but i was wondering to myself this morning.. HOW HARD ARE THESE TO FAKE... so i merged a 5D pic with a 20D pic andcame up with this new 35D...
This was done in 30mins I'm sure it would look perfect if I put a little more time into it.. but I have to finish my TPS reports and the morning coffee is wearing off

[BugEyes]

ok i have too much time.. but i was wondering to myself this morning.. HOW HARD ARE THESE TO FAKE... so i merged a 5D pic with a 20D pic andcame up with this new 35D...
This was done in 30mins I'm sure it would look perfect if I put a little more time into it.. but I have to finish my TPS reports and the morning coffee is wearing off

Great camera, I want one!
I can't wait, where can I get it?
Been putting up with a mere 20D for 8 months now :evil:

Your picture will be on a Norwegian website shortly.

[sapearl]

Nice work Kawter. Now you do realize your image will quickly be confirmed by numerous independent sources - many of them likely here who haven't kept up with the thread - as the latest gospel truth new Canon model to be realeased at PMA. Should push us 1100 with no trouble. ;)

ok i have too much time.. but i was wondering to myself this morning.. HOW HARD ARE THESE TO FAKE... so i merged a 5D pic with a 20D pic andcame up with this new 35D...
This was done in 30mins I'm sure it would look perfect if I put a little more time into it.. but I have to finish my TPS reports and the morning coffee is wearing off

[kawter2]

I was suprised that they added an external AWB sensor. I'm suprised it took so long

[.me]

I'd agree with you about the 2nd thing --- cause 5D is dropping in price.. still going down...

Visting my old boss who was a rep for Canon on Saturday, Canon "maybe" releasing 2 new cameras at PMA. One to replace the 20D, and one to be between the 20D and 5D price range.

[roanjohn]

ok i have too much time.. but i was wondering to myself this morning.. HOW HARD ARE THESE TO FAKE... so i merged a 5D pic with a 20D pic andcame up with this new 35D...
This was done in 30mins I'm sure it would look perfect if I put a little more time into it.. but I have to finish my TPS reports and the morning coffee is wearing off

Kawter - it won't be long before Canon HK will kindly ask you to take that image down........:lol: :lol: :lol: Really good job on that chop-job.

Ro1

[sapearl]

Are you just referring to mail order price drops for the 5D? I see a little of that, but the local merchants still won't deal; full list and they don't to want to budge in my area.

Anybody have a successful strategy for dealing with the neighborhood merchant?

I'd agree with you about the 2nd thing --- cause 5D is dropping in price.. still going down...

[Tom W]

ok i have too much time.. but i was wondering to myself this morning.. HOW HARD ARE THESE TO FAKE... so i merged a 5D pic with a 20D pic andcame up with this new 35D...
This was done in 30mins I'm sure it would look perfect if I put a little more time into it.. but I have to finish my TPS reports and the morning coffee is wearing off

Phil Askey will be honored that you used the same lighting that he does. :D

[.me]

PLZ PLZ more info!
24-70 IS F/1.2 LL WOOOOOHOOOO :))
If they say its fast, you are thinking 2.8 or 4?

Cheers
AG

Actually, might hold off on it for a few months. The current 24-70 doesn't have IS. My inside source tells me a fast, wide zoom with IS. I'll make up some more details about it later.

[kawter2]

PLZ PLZ more info!
24-70 IS F/1.2 LL WOOOOOHOOOO :))
If they say its fast, you are thinking 2.8 or 4?

Cheers
AG


your mom called and said you left your meds at home... please go home take your meds

[sapearl]

Nah.... I've seen those same symptoms around the office. Things were fine once we took off the restraints and switched him to decaf. He's prone to relapses though....

your mom called and said you left your meds at home... please go home take your meds

[.me]

I dont think that you would know bevies and butthead... i feel like im one of those :D

I AM KARNHACHILLIO BANHOLIO, NOBODY HOLDS MY BARNHOLIOOOOOoOooOo :)

[kawter2]

;)

[roanjohn]

I dont think that you would know bevies and butthead... i feel like im one of those :D

I AM KARNHACHILLIO BANHOLIO, NOBODY HOLDS MY BARNHOLIOOOOOoOooOo :)

YIKES!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

A few more weeks and you'll have your sedation.

Ro1

[I Simonius]

Nice work Kawter. Now you do realize your image will quickly be confirmed by numerous independent sources - many of them likely here who haven't kept up with the thread - as the latest gospel truth new Canon model to be realeased at PMA. Should push us 1100 with no trouble. ;)

A salesman told me not to tell anyone but that version will be announced at PMA...shhhhhh

[I Simonius]

I'd agree with you about the 2nd thing --- cause 5D is dropping in price.. still going down...


yup W.E. just dropped £100 to £1799

[subtle_spectre]

Suppose for a moment this thread got absurd...ok...that's long enough...and there was talk of a 1gigapixel camera. My question is, for those who are more mathematically inclined, given present day physical dimensions of an 8 mp camera, how big would the sensor be on the new 1gp camera?

[shiato storm]

bigger than my hard drive is willing to accept...

[PacAce]

Suppose for a moment this thread got absurd...ok...that's long enough...and there was talk of a 1gigapixel camera. My question is, for those who are more mathematically inclined, given present day physical dimensions of an 8 mp camera, how big would the sensor be on the new 1gp camera?
Unless I messed up my calculations, with the same pixel density as the 20D, the sensor would be about 6.5" x 9.5" (166.5 mm x 241.7 mm). :shock:

[subtle_spectre]

Unless I messed up my calculations, with the same pixel density as the 20D, the sensor would be about 6.5" x 9.5" (166.5 mm x 241.7 mm). :shock:

Hmmm...I had in my mind that it would be much larger. I guess that was a little anti-climatic. :lol:

[Jon]

Using the 1/1.8" sensor of the S80 and friends as a model, it'd be about 55x85 mm, or about the size of the classic 6x9 medium format. Well, if we're assuming the technology to build such a huge sensor, let's assume we can keep the noise at high ISO under control, too.

[Longwatcher]

whoever is doing the math.
The smallest pixel size you can theoretically acheive is 700nm (red spectrum wavelength of light), the practical limit is about 2800nm and the optimum for SNR is 8000nm per pixel. All current Canon DSLR are between 6000nm and 10000nm in pixel density size.

That should give you some numbers to play with.

[CyberDyneSystems]

Good. here's a few more........

12, 36, 22, 19, 05, 51 ... and the powerball is 25 ;)

[In2Photos]

Good. here's a few more........

12, 36, 22, 19, 05, 51 ... and the powerball is 25 ;)

WOOHOO, now I can afford all the new stuff from PMA...and the old stuff, too!

[Jon]

Good. here's a few more........

12, 36, 22, 19, 05, 51 ... and the powerball is 25 ;)
Almost 900 posts, and finally a useful one!

[JaertX]

PLZ PLZ more info!
24-70 IS F/1.2 LL WOOOOOHOOOO :))
If they say its fast, you are thinking 2.8 or 4?

Cheers
AG

yeah...f/1.2 And it's going to be DO and a pancake lens...first L WA zoom with DO, IS and it's only going to be 4 cm fully extended. At the wide end, of course. Unfortunately, it's going to cost $45,000. But you can buy them by June.

[Rumjungle]

yeah...f/1.2 And it's going to be DO and a pancake lens...first L WA zoom with DO, IS and it's only going to be 4 cm fully extended. At the wide end, of course. Unfortunately, it's going to cost $45,000. But you can buy them by June.

$45,000?!? I know we're having fun, but let's not get silly here. I'm think no more than $35,000.;)

[Steve Torelli]

The word on most other forums is that Canon has stopped production of the 20D in anticipation of announcing it's replacement at PMA. Probably call it the 35D or something. Looks like it'll have a couple more MPs and a few bells and whistles.
It won't, BTW,be in response to Nikon's D200,it takes far too long to put a camera on the shelves from the time of the original design to be able to market something as an answer to a competitor's new camera.
But, everyone is right, years from now the 20D will still be great camera. When I do upgrade,I hope to be in position to keep mine along with the new one. Good luck.

[RichardtheSane]

My trusted dealer in the UK today told me that the new Canon will be released on 21st February, and will be called the 50D. Priced just above current 20D, no details but at that level will be 1.6x crop, most likely 10MP, expect bigger LCD.

Don't trust your dealer. No-one knows this for sure yet :lol:

[ijohnson]

The dealers need to stop reading this thread.

[subtle_spectre]

Thinks to self: "I had a dealer I trusted once...he went to jail." Oops, wrong product....

[sapearl]

No, might have been the right product. The way they price some of this stuff they should be offered jail time.

Thinks to self: "I had a dealer I trusted once...he went to jail." Oops, wrong product....

[CyberDyneSystems]

I just found this thread...

ON PAGE TWO!? ???

Slackers!

[Jon]

Damn - and you unlocked it, too! I was trying to lose it!

[PacAce]

I just found this thread...

ON PAGE TWO!? ???

Slackers!
Took me a while to figure out what you were talking about. I was even thinking, "What thread is he talking about? <<moves cursor over 'ON PAGE TWO'>> Where's the link? :confused: ".

:lol:

[Farris]

Hi all,
does anyone have any info as to when the 30D may be released?
thanks
Farris

[CyberDyneSystems]

ROFLMAO

[Carzee]

33D sounds like a likely model number to me. And the bodywork will definitely be a new colour (charcoal sheen).

[Citizensmith]

So this new camera, it will definitely have some megapixels in it won't it? Hopefully it will come in a range of colors like the iRebel they developed with Apple.

I wonder when we'll switch to uberpixels? I've heard from a reliable source (a guy in Ritz Camera) they are much better than megapixels. Maybe in the upgrade to the 33D.

[JohnnyG]

I have heard the following from the Bob Atkins Web Site at
http://www.bobatkins.com/photography/digital/canon_eos_35D.html

The new 35D will probably look like this and will have the following specifications:


Sensor Format - 1.6x, 15mmx22.5mm, same as EOS 20D, smaller than EOS 5D, similar to Nikon D200
Pixels - Between 10MP and 10.5MP, more than EOS 20D, same as Nikon D200, less then EOS 5D
LCD - 2.5", same as EOS 5D and Nikon D200, bigger than EOS 20D
Sync speed - 1/250s, same as 20D and Nikon D200, faster than EOS 5D
Continuous shooting - 5fps, same as 20D and Nikon D200, faster than EOS 5D
AF - 9 AF points, but performance upgraded from EOS 20D
Custom Styles - similar to EOS 5D
Noise performance - similar to EOS 20D and EOS 5D in practice
ISO settings - 100 to 3200 same as 20D. Step size unknown
Flash - built in, similar to EOS 20D
Weather sealing - no, similar to EOS 20D and EOS 5D
Buffer Size - larger than EOS 20D
Price - around $1500, more than EOS 20D, less than EOS 5D and Nikon D200
Availability - late March 2006

[quickben]

That grip doesn't even fit properly !!

It looks like someone has PS'd a 350D grip (BG-E2 ?) onto a 20D and changed the 20 to 35.

Frankly, it looks poo.

Saying that, everytime I've seen one of these "pre-release" pictures of a new model they NEVER show it with the grip on. 10D, 20D, 5D. All body only.

Why would they change now ? Especially when it looks that bad.

I guess we'll just have to wait. Sigh.....

I'm not really concerned, my next body will be a 5D (more likley, it's replacement :-()

To be honest, I'm FAR more interested in what new lenses Canon brings out.

85 f1.2L Mk II or 50 f1.2L anyone ? (Sorry Jon :-))

Gary.

[SuzyView]

That would be nice, the lens, I mean. I can't afford any of this new stuff, but it's so fun to read all you guys predictions. I just want something great that won't kill my budget. :)