[[Unofficial Rumor Thread]] (Merge City)

[I Simonius]

What do you NOT like about your 10D or 20D that you would like to see in the 30D?
REALISTICALLY and without too much nit picking?

I thought I'd start this thread because as much as I like my 20D, now that I am getting the hang of it there are certain things that annoy me, and I would like to tell canon (but don't know how) - Apart from the obvious wishes for a 30D with 16MP, full frame, etc what other changes?

My 30D wish list
1 - When you change from manual to Av Tv etc the function of the wheels changes......
e.g. the top wheel changes the aperture then speed. I would rather it always did one or the other OR that there was a facility to change this as SET
I find it confusing when in a hurry and swapping twixt functions quickly with the VERY changeable English weather
So I would like the ability to keep the top wheel as performing the same function in any mode and the big lower wheel performing the other (speed/aperture)

2- completely do away with all the basic zone functions

3 - make the viewfinder bigger!!!

4- increase the LCD and internal display illumination even higher, it is still difficult to see in really bright light

5- DO NOT change or shape the size of the camera

6- put the same dioptre adjustment as in the VF onto the LCD info display, so you don't have to keep putting glasses on and off just to see the settings. It's OK for the MENU, where you are less likely to be in a hurry, but it's a bane of the glasses wearer when you have to keep making quick adjustments as a glasses wearer. Obviously it cannot cater for over a certain level of correction but it would be invaluable to those that it would assist

7- make it closer to the professional range,it is too close to the Drebel, XT range. e.g.. water-proof it.

[Toogy]

I'd like to see the ISO in the VIEWFINDER. That would be awesome.
Also a bigger viewfinder would be nice.
AND a battery grip that isn't garbage.

[BottomBracket]

Great ideas all, especially the battery grip :) Perhaps true spot metering as well?

[I Simonius]

Great ideas all, especially the battery grip :) Perhaps true spot metering as well?

YES true spot!

[BobL]

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6- put the same dioptre adjustment as in the VF onto the LCD info display, so you don't have to keep putting glasses on and off just to see the settings. It's OK for the MENU, where you are less likely to be in a hurry, but it's a bane of the glasses wearer when you have to keep making quick adjustments as a glasses wearer. Obviously it cannot cater for over a certain level of correction but it would be invaluable to those that it would assist.

This ain't going to happen without an adjustable lens in front of the LCD info display which is relatively large and would add to the bulk of the camera. BTW if you can do this without a lens you are going to make squillions selling visual displays to people who need to use glasses to use them.

What might be feasible sooner, is for some sort of internal eye-up display that projects the LCD info onto the viewfinder/mirror at the push of a(nother) button.

[jyrgen]

Here's my list of demands ;)
- user programmable Program Modes - so one can create several custom rule/priorities based program modes for different situations (e.g. "always close aperture down one stop" - very useful for variable-aperture zooms, or "keep shutter speed at least 1/1000 (priority 1), aperture between f/8-f/11 (priority 2), ISO as low as possible (priority 3, until it reaches 800, after which priority changes to 1)), whatever - there will even be some free slots on Mode Dial, since we get rid of these Basic Zone pictograms thanks to the first post ;)
- keep the 1.6x crop
- show ISO in the viewfinder
- attach grip permanently, i.e. make body like 1 series, with vertical controls, but a little bit smaller, like the current 10D with grip
- add spot metering
- add few megapixels (10-12 is enough)
- take autofocusing system from 1 series (thanks to the crop the 45 points would cover almost the whole view).

Basically, take a pro body, replace the sensor (and viewfinder, I'm afraid) with a smaller one and make body a bit smaller accordingly. Plus, the user-programmable Program Modes.

Also develop autofocusing calibration software that anybody can use not just Canon Irvine or alike. I want just to connect the camera to the computer, put it on tripod, give some target (the target can be printed on the bottom side of the OEM packaging!) and let it run. Not that I have any focus problems but I have read few people have here and there.

[Stymyx]

I’d like to see the shooting mode (Tv, Av, M, etc) displayed in the viewfinder. I’d also like to see not only a brighter rear LCD screen, but a bigger rear LCD screen. And I'd like true spot metering as well.

I wouldn’t remove the Basic modes. They come in way too handy for me. If I ever want to hand my 20D to my girlfriend (who knows nothing about photography concepts, nor does she want to learn) and let her take a few quick “snapshots”, I can switch it to a basic mode and let her fire away. I call it SWMBO-Mode. I made the mistake of calling it Dummy Mode in front of her once. ONCE! You can imagine how THAT went over!

You DO all know what SWMBO stands for, right? ;)

[I Simonius]

This ain't going to happen without an adjustable lens in front of the LCD info display which is relatively large and would add to the bulk of the camera. BTW if you can do this without a lens you are going to make squillions selling visual displays to people who need to use glasses to use them.

What might be feasible sooner, is for some sort of internal eye-up display that projects the LCD info onto the viewfinder/mirror at the push of a(nother) button.

You're right - and a cool idea!

[I Simonius]

snip
You DO all know what SWMBO stands for, right? ;)

I can make lotsb if crazeee guesses - but nope!

[I Simonius]

Here's my list of demands ;)
snips
- keep the 1.6x crop



Hi,
why do you prefer the 1.6?

[rdenney]

I agree to keep the package as it is currently configured, including the rotating mode selection knob.

But I want a 24x36 sensor. Keep the pixel density the same, and that way those who think a smaller sensor makes their telephotos more telephoto can just crop down to the 15x23 format. That would make it a 15MP sensor with the same density as a 10D. The big sensor will yield a big mirror and ground glass, and that will make a larger viewfinder image.

And I wand a split-image focusing aid in the finder--it doesn't have to be right in the middle.

Rick "who may well save up for a Pentax 645 digital rather than a replacement for the 10D" Denney

[Stymyx]

I can make lotsb if crazeee guesses - but nope!
That would be:

She Who Must Be Obeyed. ;)

[smirchfa]

Along with the expected upgrades, such as slightly more MP, all I really want to change is ISO in the viewfinder. I feel that the larger sensor, and along with it larger viewfinder, is going to remain the territory of the 1 series bodies, or possibly an EOS 3-D level camera sometime in the future. If that camera ever became reality, the 20D and it's future generations would forever remain in the "advanced amateur" class, such as the Elan series, and the basic modes would be here to stay. On the other hand, if there is no such plan for an EOS 3-D or equivalent, I would love to see the 30D beefed up a bit and taken to the "prosumer" level.

[I Simonius]

That would be:

She Who Must Be Obeyed. ;)


Ahhh, her indoors! :lol:

[I Simonius]

Along with the expected upgrades, such as slightly more MP, all I really want to change is ISO in the viewfinder. I feel that the larger sensor, and along with it larger viewfinder, is going to remain the territory of the 1 series bodies, or possibly an EOS 3-D level camera sometime in the future. If that camera ever became reality, the 20D and it's future generations would forever remain in the "advanced amateur" class, such as the Elan series, and the basic modes would be here to stay. On the other hand, if there is no such plan for an EOS 3-D or equivalent, I would love to see the 30D beefed up a bit and taken to the "prosumer" level.


For me the 20D is exactly the right size and wheight, I woouldn't want a bulky camera or a too light one.
Whatever they call it though I would like one with a FF sensor (and therefore larger VF)

[OceanView]

Besides a larger VF and higher MP, how about a shutter that's a bit less noisy.

[ghocking]

I would like to see the 30D as a cut down 1s for about £1500, by removing all the weather proofing etc. I buy L lenses for their quality not the weatherproofing, and am not a pro, and would not dream of using it in the rain or bad weather, I can always wait, where as a pro must get their shot.

But I can only dream.

[badrotation]

DUST PROOF THE THING!!!!

My 20D's sensor is a magnet for dust. It seems to be getting in through the buttons, and gaps around the wheel on top, since I rarely change lenses.

A full frame sensor would be nice as well.

Sharper image output from the camera (instead of having to unsharp everything in PS)



These are my only complaints.

[carronade]

How about an autofocus/digital T90?
Just a thought.
I still prefer the feel and functions of my old T90 inspite of owning a 20D.

[roanjohn]

ISO on viewfiner.

More focus points (12 or 16)!!!!

Cheaper price :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Selectable fps (between 3fps or 5fps)

Bigger RAW buffer.

Anti-reflective coating on the LCD screen (like my S400!!!!).

Its been mentioned before but a square crop/panoramic crop ala Nikon D2X.

I think Canon can do it.

Ro1

[the.digital.guy]

Bigger RAW buffer!!!!

[lomond]

Here's my list of demands ;)
- user programmable Program Modes - so one can create several custom rule/priorities based program modes for different situations (e.g. "always close aperture down one stop" - very useful for variable-aperture zooms, or "keep shutter speed at least 1/1000 (priority 1), aperture between f/8-f/11 (priority 2), ISO as low as possible (priority 3, until it reaches 800, after which priority changes to 1)), whatever - there will even be some free slots on Mode Dial, since we get rid of these Basic Zone pictograms thanks to the first post ;)
- keep the 1.6x crop
- show ISO in the viewfinder
- attach grip permanently, i.e. make body like 1 series, with vertical controls, but a little bit smaller, like the current 10D with grip
- add spot metering
- add few megapixels (10-12 is enough)
- take autofocusing system from 1 series (thanks to the crop the 45 points would cover almost the whole view).

Basically, take a pro body, replace the sensor (and viewfinder, I'm afraid) with a smaller one and make body a bit smaller accordingly. Plus, the user-programmable Program Modes.

Also develop autofocusing calibration software that anybody can use not just Canon Irvine or alike. I want just to connect the camera to the computer, put it on tripod, give some target (the target can be printed on the bottom side of the OEM packaging!) and let it run. Not that I have any focus problems but I have read few people have here and there.


Basically sell the 1D MK II at 20 D prices................:)

I'll have two, please. ;)

[Brianbar]

I agree 100% with the "DUST PROOF THE THING!!!!".
I also prefer the Main Switch position on top of the camera like the Rebels.
The LCD screen size is okay for me, it's just a quick reference tool.

Brian

[tim]

For me, apart from the obvious FF/more MP things the main ones would be:
- Cross type focus sensors in more positions than just the centre
- ISO in viewfinder
- Bigger/brighter viewfinder

I think i'll end up getting a Mk2 or Mk3 somewhere down the track, the Mk2 isn't a big enough jump for me yet, the Mk3 should be if it's 12MP or so. And to think, 6 months ago I was just buying my 300D, and I had a much happier bank manager ;)

[Hellashot]

You know what you are all wanting the features of the 1-series without the price! lol The only thing different I want, and I don't have a 10D or 20D, is a bigger sensor, e.g. 1.3x because I absolutely hate the reduced field of view the 1.6x gives. I will likely buy the replacement to the 20D when it comes out and then camp on that for a good 5+ years if not more.

[jgutierr57]

2.5% Spot Metering.
ISO in Viewfinder.
2.5" LCD.
Integrated Battery Grip (1D MII ???).
Full Size Sensor.
I Agree with <Carronade> The sense & feel of the "T90" was Magnificent.

[CyberDyneSystems]

Integrated Grip???

Why on earth would you not want the option to remove it?

I wish the MkII had the option :)

One thing I miss on the 20D that the 10D and 1Dhave.. flashing blowout warning on full screen LCD images.

[Wazza]

A 30D, and a 30D+

30D+ containing a permanent battery grip. So there is NEVER going to be a problem of faulty grips losing connection!

And obviously the usual slight improvements...
Maybe 50% larger screen, but with a better scratch proof cover.

ISO in viewfinder (catches me out all the time)

8fps,

Selectable timer shots. Rather than just 10 sec or bulb mode. (I don't have or what to pay several hundred $$$ for a simple switch)

Keep the dimensions similar size.

Higher flash clearance over lens such as 17-40L.

Maybe try a more flush mode select dial on left hand side.
(Rather than being raised.) Or even digital?

[Jesper]

I have a 10D. I didn't upgrade to the 20D, because IMO the difference between the 10D and 20D wasn't great enough. I'm waiting for the "30D" (or whatever it's going to be called) and here are my wishes:

- At least 11 MP and ofcourse just as clean images as the 20D
- Bigger viewfinder
- Usable ISO 3200 - I never use it on my 10D because it's just too noisy
- ISO in the viewfinder - this is one of those little things that Canon until now has reserved for the professional cameras only
- I do NOT want a built-in battery grip! The camera itself is already big and heavy enough for me
- Fast start-up and write-to-CF times - this has already been solved in the 20D, my 10D feels very slow sometimes (if I want to "chimp" right after shooting a few frames, I have to wait 10 seconds or so before the image appears on the LCD)

And I agree with Simon's first point, it's annoying that the function of the back and top wheels changes between Tv, Av and M mode.

[Tomasz Dziechciarz]

everything like in my EOS3 plus 12Mpix, plus ISO in VFinder

[Volatile]

I really like the custom shooting mode idea, where shutter speed is maintained at the price of aperture and ISO, but only to a presettable limit. I could write a detailed algorithm that mimics how I set up for a shot. At least allow the camera to automatically adjust ISO within a customizable range.

Plus, I want it to have a built in cell phone/mp3 player/gps receiver.

[jyrgen]

Hi,
why do you prefer the 1.6?
I don't prefer, but I'd like to be able to afford it (ca $1500). Which realistically means it has to have a croppled sensor. Since there a now several wide angle lenses available for croppled sensors, I have no problems accepting this limitation if all other good things would be included.

Usable ISO 1600 or even 3200 would be nice too. And I also support your back and top wheel idea (probably the best would be let us choose via CF-s, how we want to use them).

[I Simonius]

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And I agree with Simon's first point, it's annoying that the function of the back and top wheels changes between Tv, Av and M mode.

AT LAST - someone who agree with me! :lol: :lol: :lol:

[I Simonius]

I don't prefer, but I'd like to be able to afford it (ca $1500). Which realistically means it has to have a croppled sensor. Since there a now several wide angle lenses available for croppled sensors, I have no problems accepting this limitation if all other good things would be included.

Usable ISO 1600 or even 3200 would be nice too. And I also support your back and top wheel idea (probably the best would be let us choose via CF-s, how we want to use them).

Yes PRICE if it was a FF is a VERY good point.

All the same one of the most important factors for ME being able to take a decent pic is to have a good viewfinder, and the 20D just doesn't. If that means it needs a FF to get a big VF and the price to go with it I would have to see how much it would cost, it may well simply be too expensive. fair enough. A real shame about the VF that goes with the 1.6 though.

It is obvious to me that much of what I want is contained in the 1Ds Mk2. Price aside, I would never buy a camera that bulky. The 20D is IDEAL size-wise for me, solid, a little retro, (e.gh.versus the T90 - which contrary to those who love it, I hated it) and carryable all day. The 350 is too much the other way, too light too consumerish. gawd I'm picky aren't I, but it is what gets me to spend my money!

Yes CF-s would be a fine way to solve the wheel changing question - good idea. :D

[fatrat]

1 Spot metering
2 higher MP is always good
3 to be able to shoot RAW in the basic zones
4 that dust proofing sounds good
5 improved ergonomics
6 better design (more robust and better position) of the CF card hatch
7 bigger faster buffer
8 extra bracketing ie.. Iso bracketing
9 extra speed would be good, not that the 20D is slow but small improvements are always good
10 cheaper pricewould be good

[lievenb]

And I wand a split-image focusing aid in the finder--it doesn't have to be right in the middle.


It surprises me that this very rarely comes up in topics. I too would love it to have a split-image focusing aid. More than anything else actually. I very often find myself either manual focusing or adjusting the focus. It seems like the focusing points on my 20D like to play around with me.

Or what would be a reasonable alternative is to adopt the Eye-tracking technology of the 30v / Elan 7e to the 30D... Although I've never tried it, it seems like a cool feature...

[Andy_T]

Actually, I like my 20D very much as it is.

The only thing I would like to have was a Manual Focusing aid - either exchangeable viewfinder frame with split screen as on the 1-series or enabling autofocus points also with non-EF-lenses.

Other than that, I'm really happy.
Also means that I most likely won't upgrade anytime soon.

Best regards,
Andy

[tim]

This thread should say what do you realistically want, that's not going to massively increase the price of the camera. Most of the things people are asking for would cost a lot to implement, are already on the 1D Mk 2 series, and from Canons point of view would erode the performance advantage that the 1D series has.

Realistically, i'd like the dials to do the same thing in each mode (Av, Tv, M), ISO displayed in viewfinder, and if possible more cross type AF sensors.

[I Simonius]

This thread should say what do you realistically want, that's not going to massively increase the price of the camera. Most of the things people are asking for would cost a lot to implement, are already on the 1D Mk 2 series, and from Canons point of view would erode the performance advantage that the 1D series has.

Realistically, i'd like the dials to do the same thing in each mode (Av, Tv, M), ISO displayed in viewfinder, and if possible more cross type AF sensors.

that is exactly what the original question asks ;)

[Bob_A]

Here's my list:

- Dials do the same thing in each mode
- More MP (at least 10)
- Spot metering
- Better dust-proofing
- Sensor dust cleaning system (learn from the competition)
- IS in the body?
- Remove the Basic Zones if it helps get the cost down
- Iso in the viewfinder
- Full size sensor

[Jon]

Larger sensor (even 1.3x would be fine)
Focussing aids on the screen, either split-image or microprism
Lose the N3 remote connector in favour of the mini-stereo plug a la Elan 7/DR.

[rdenney]

Or what would be a reasonable alternative is to adopt the Eye-tracking technology of the 30v / Elan 7e to the 30D... Although I've never tried it, it seems like a cool feature...

I had it on my Elan IIE, and turned it off. It worked most of the time, but when it didn't is was profoundly in the way. It's unreliable for those who wear eyeglasses, too.

Rick "who thinks eye tracking is mostly a gimmick, but there is probably someone who really benefits from it" Denney

[chris clements]

This thread shows the difficult job Canon has to keep us all happy . The originating post says 16mp and full frame are the primary "obvious" improvements in the 30D.
For me, an emphatic '"NO" and "NO" !
Anything more than 10~12mp would mean a new computer, and will never really show unless you're regularly printing A3 and above.
And I love the 'free' 1.6x I get on the end of my long lenses. If the sensor isn't APS sized, then it wouldn't be a true prosumer D60-10D-20D successor.

[garyhun]

Out of curiosity....when was the 20D launched? What is Canon's normal model development cycle - i.e. when would you expect the 20D's replacement to arrive? Only asking as I am going to buy a 20D this week!!!!

[karusel]

Focusing system of 1 series Canon cameras.

[jgutierr57]

:cool: garyhun.... the 20D was announced on August 20, 2004.
And launched for september 2004. The time release in the one to
other model is the 1.5 to 2.5 year average.

[gjn]

Dust proofing and better sensor dust-protection would top my list. I'd prefer, though, to keep the sensor at its current size. It keeps the size and weight of the camera at its current reasonable size and, with the continuing increases in sensor pixel density, will provide all the image resolution one can wish for. I like the ability to carry reasonable-sized telephotos with me on nature photopgraphy excursions.
A bigger RAW buffer, an ability record both RAW and JPEGs in all modes (including the basics) would be nice. And let's get the problem with proper 580EX flash zooming fixed, please.

[FatPete]

Some good suggestions there - I wouldn't mind seeing a lot of them.

Some I've thought of whilst recently using the camera:

1) Allow flashing highlights in the large review image - I can't see why they only show them on the mini full-info one.
2) Allow the 'Set' button to be programmed to any task on the camera - the current options in the C.Fn-01 are a bit limited

The ISO in viewfinder is something I really really wish was there.

[BottomBracket]

And I love the 'free' 1.6x I get on the end of my long lenses.....

Actually, the 1.6x factor does not really result from magnification, but from cropping a portion of the full frame. You can get the same 'free' 1.6x on a full frame by cropping the image accordingly.

[tim]

that is exactly what the original question asks ;)

Yeah, the thread had gotten off track a bit I think.

[MarkH]

I would like to see the 30D as a cut down 1s for about £1500, by removing all the weather proofing etc. I buy L lenses for their quality not the weatherproofing, and am not a pro, and would not dream of using it in the rain or bad weather, I can always wait, where as a pro must get their shot.

I completely disagree.

My wish list:
1. Weather Sealed body (keep the dust and rain out)
2. Put a super high quality scratch resistant glass cover over the sensor, so that it can be cleaned without causing a panic attack.
3. Memory is cheap, give us a RAW buffer 4x as much or greater.
4. Only higher res to the level where they can still keep the noise level low.
5. Sensor cleaning feature - vibrating dust removal.
6. More levels to battery guage (instead of 3 (OK, low, about to die) how about at least 5 levels (High, Good, OK, Low, about to die) - this could easlily be done with a single digit number (flashing 0 would be battery urgently needing to be swapped).
7. Some programable display options in viewfinder that you can set with custom funtions (0=ISO (default), 1=total shots remaining, 2=battery level, 3=something else useful)

With my point 1, there are many who want to keep dust out - obviously Canon can make a lot of money here. If Canon make the 30D weather sealed, then they will have some users buying the L lenses with weather sealing to make the feature work. They will also sell more of the 28-300 L lens as a good bad weather lens, cause you don't have to swap lenses in the rain with that sucker! If Ihad a child that was involved is some outdoor sport that was played in any weather then I would love this feature. Those of us that enjoy motorsports are definately keen on this feature too. I think that this feature is perfectly do-able by Canon without having to sell the camera for any higher amount than the 20D is now.

For higher res, it would be nice if they kept the pixel pitch and low noise from the 20D (or improved noise levels) but used a 1.3x crop sensor. I think that this would give a 12MPix sensor with 1.3x crop. This probably would be more likely to appear on the 1DMkIII though.

[Medic1]

ISO in viewfinder.....can never go wrong with a bigger buffer, definetly do not make the body any smaller.........what about in camera image stabalization? I was just reading in POP photo about the shift to putting the stabalization in the camera body instead of the lens

[JMAS]

Dynamic range equal to film........please!

[FlyingPete]

I had it on my Elan IIE, and turned it off. It worked most of the time, but when it didn't is was profoundly in the way. It's unreliable for those who wear eyeglasses, too.

Rick "who thinks eye tracking is mostly a gimmick, but there is probably someone who really benefits from it" Denney

I liked the technology in my EOS30, got used to having it, not used to not having it. Interesting that it hasn;t appears in a DSLR yet though.

I'm for selectable rapid fire speed mode as mentioned earlier in the thread, oh and a better grip, the quality of the 20D's one leaves alot to be desired, I won't fork the $$$ for one, much prefered the one on my EOS30, and it was a third the price!

Apart from that, I am fairly happy with my 20D, no real wish list without getting unrealistic ;) (1D features, 20D price).

As JMAS said, could go some more dynamic range though please, how about 16bit right off the sensor, 65000 shades instead of 4000 :D

[tim]

ISO in viewfinder.....can never go wrong with a bigger buffer, definetly do not make the body any smaller.........what about in camera image stabalization? I was just reading in POP photo about the shift to putting the stabalization in the camera body instead of the lens

If Canon don't do this, they're going to find that market share will go down, as some of the smaller manufacturers (Olympus?) already do this.

Dynamic range equal to film........please!

That one could take a while, it sounds like more of a long term goal than a feature for the 30D to me.

[dlugophoto]

My number one complaint about my 20D is how loud the shutter is. I would love Canon to get the shutter sound on a 30D to be much more like the 10D or even quieter.

I shoot lots of events where I want to be as inconspicuous as possible - like weddings, conferences and meetings. The 20D's shutter announces my presence to anyone nearby. I can't even use it when documenting live theater - I have to use the 10D.

I was shooting an event recently and the 20D had too many error 99s. I switched to the 10D and was delighted with how silent it was. And no error 99s!

[toddb]

Great ideas. I like the idea of dealing with the sensor dust issues, if that means sealing it, then that's fine with me. Yes, ISO in the view finder.

I agree with the ISO priority. You have the whole exposure triangle available to you with digital (I mean you don't have to change out film like you would a film body), so why not add ISO to the equation then. Allow ISO to change to meet your AV/TV requirements...this would be awesome! This might not work great for the current 10D, but seems like the 20D noize isn't hardly noticable even at high ISO settings. I'd upgrade for that.

Oh ya, I wouldn't mind at all if they dropped the auto (green section) modes. They just clutter the controls for me.

[I Simonius]

Something that came up for me yesterday while shooting - I don't know if this needs to be a new feature or just one I can find :confused:

I wanted to set the camera so SIMULTANEOUSLY and with ONE press of the shuttter button:
1- I could use the timer with variable times (e.g.one of:either 2 secs,6 secs or 10secs),
2- with mirror locked up,(no need to press shutter a second time
3- and so the metering was adjusted when the shot was taken, (light changes fast here)
(4- incorporating any exposure bracketing already set)

I.e.press the shutter, mirror locks up, 2 secs pass, camera meters and takes shot.

Can I do this already? If not that's a request feature!

[gastroboy]

Looks like most people have the same kinds of requests. me too.

only had my 20D for 1.5 months but...
1. DUST PROOFING/WEATHER PROOFING - dust cleaner on sensor would be nice
2. larger AND brigther viewfinder would be nice.
3. ISO in the viewfinder!!! (i always get caught out when I am in a hurry)
4. Better batery level - having "full charge" and "about to die" is kinda lame.
5. DO NOT MAKE IT ANY SMALLER!
6. ooh well, while I am asking, up to MP's to 12.

Thats about it, not unreasonable and generally in line with other peeps. Those changes would create a better distinction between the 30D and the 3digit range (300/350).

That being said, I won't be springing for 30D when it comes out, will wait till the 40D (hopefully it will have lots of the 1ds Mk II features!). Very happy with the 20D. Going to invest is glass in the mean time.

[I Simonius]

Looks like most people have the same kinds of requests. me too.

only had my 20D for 1.5 months but...
1. DUST PROOFING/WEATHER PROOFING - dust cleaner on sensor would be nice
2. larger AND brigther viewfinder would be nice.
3. ISO in the viewfinder!!! (i always get caught out when I am in a hurry)
4. Better batery level - having "full charge" and "about to die" is kinda lame.
5. DO NOT MAKE IT ANY SMALLER!
6. ooh well, while I am asking, up to MP's to 12.

Thats about it, not unreasonable and generally in line with other peeps. Those changes would create a better distinction between the 30D and the 3digit range (300/350).

That being said, I won't be springing for 30D when it comes out, will wait till the 40D (hopefully it will have lots of the 1ds Mk II features!). Very happy with the 20D. Going to invest is glass in the mean time.

Likewise, but I MIGHT buy the 30D IF the difference between that and the 20D is big enough, but I doubt it will be. From amarketing POV they will be less worried about 20D upgraders than just stealing the march on NIkon etc.

The biggest mistake Canon coulkd make as far as I'm concerned is to make the camera more complicated or smalller.

[nigelch]

<<Sharper image output from the camera (instead of having to unsharp everything in PS)
>>

Sorry, have to disagree here. The camera gives very sharp images, IMHO what you would expect from the sensor and exceeding film of the same format. Adding sharpness in the software increases the edge sharpness but does not add any detail. Therefore it is vacuous. If you want "sharper", get a Hasselblad.
N

[DavidEB]

Some suggestions that maybe could be accomplished with just a firmware upgrade:

- assign Flash Exposure Compensation to Jump button when shooting (useful for CF4-1)
- allow turn off E-TTL and control on-board flash in manual mode using FEC
---- eg, +2 = full output, -2= down 4 stops. no pre-flash firing
---- this would allow using camera to trigger manual strobes easily
- drive mode set to multiple frames should over-ride mirror lockup
- mirror lockup set so that it's on when exposure triggered by cable release and off at shutter button
- a reset button that affects ISO, shutter, Av, WB, Exp Comp, FEC, but not Custom Functions
- select whether blinking highlights blink based on total luminosity or if blown in any one color
- display temperature used in auto white balance when reviewing pic

[Southswede]

That would be:

She Who Must Be Obeyed. ;)



Another Boortz fan!


I too would like to see something done with the dust problem. (I'm glad to see I'm not the only one having problems with dust. I didn't have problems with the DRebel, like I am with the 20D).

[kjonnnn]

Put back my 10s features....

1. Interval Timing
2. Infrared Remote
3. Exposure and Autofocus done at the time of a exposure NOT when the shutter is pressed when using the timer...
4. Add a spot meter...

[CyberDyneSystems]

And I agree with Simon's first point, it's annoying that the function of the back and top wheels changes between Tv, Av and M mode.

The 1 series has this.. shoot in AV 80% of the time and Manual the rest.. I can change the dial uses through CF so that I can have the aperture contolled by the shutter dial in both cases.

[kjonnnn]

Add Quiet that shutter down too (its gonna be horribly loud at funerals)

[shiato storm]

can't be bothered to read through all the posts in this thread but basically a visible ISO (no button pushing required) and weather-sealing, if it can be done on the Eos 3 it can be done on the next 20D upgrade

[glamourbyjim]

How about a histogram that is superimposed on the screen BEFORE you shoot the frame. Or at least a simpler way to view the histogram.

[I Simonius]

after shooting a whole day with exposure compensation set to 2+ by accident I would request that either the extra position on the on switch is harder to set or there be a way to lock or disable the exposure compensation switch!

--and improve the viewfinder so you can see the info at the same time as the whole frame, - I find that unless I look at the info at the bottom DIRECTLY it is not clear when looking through the VF :evil:

[tim]

I can see the EC bar fine in my viewfinder, I don't know what else could be done. Having done this once you're unlikely to do it again though!

[KenE]

- ISO in viewfinder, since I find myself adjusting it so often enough, plus the camera is so clean you end up wanting to adjust it often
- master reset settings to default except C.Fn is a great idea! could just hold down Set for a few seconds or the like
- one-time bracketing, i forget to reset it and end up continuing to bracket form time to time.. maybe give it a 30 second timeout that turns off AEB
- consistent controls, agreed it's wacky to have to switch your brain between Tv, Av, etc., to adjust shutter speed or what have you

to me these seem like realistic changes.. not like larger buffers, higher MP or larger sensors. if canon isn't going to add 20D controls to the Rebel they should try to keep a 20D-like camera in their line.. more AF sensors, etc are for the spendier models.

[22littlereasons]

Well, as long as I'm entertaining a dream sequence here.... let's see... take the workings of a 1DMKII, cram it into a a "30D" body and place a price sticker on it of about $1800 US. Yep, that's what I think... and now - looking at my 10D - back to reality where the sky is blue. *s*

[I Simonius]

I can see the EC bar fine in my viewfinder, I don't know what else could be done. Having done this once you're unlikely to do it again though!

maybe! :lol:
BUT
I still have trouble getting to grips with the huge amount of knobs and dials and extra thingamybobs compared to the old F1n's :D
AND I'm over 50 which means I can no longer simultaneously juggle, read a book, drive and make music with my eyes shut !So I'ts quite likely I'll do it again!! :lol:

[I Simonius]

Well, as long as I'm entertaining a dream sequence here.... let's see... take the workings of a 1DMKII, cram it into a a "30D" body and place a price sticker on it of about $1800 US. Yep, that's what I think... and now - looking at my 10D - back to reality where the sky is blue. *s*

the original request was for REALISTIC requests :lol:

[tim]

maybe! :lol:
BUT
I still have trouble getting to grips with the huge amount of knobs and dials and extra thingamybobs compared to the old F1n's :D
AND I'm over 50 which means I can no longer simultaneously juggle, read a book, drive and make music with my eyes shut !So I'ts quite likely I'll do it again!! :lol:

You have the advantage of experience! Sure you might not know how to use it all yet, but I bet you can put it on auto and take a better photo than most people just from experience driving a camera :)

[I Simonius]

You have the advantage of experience! Sure you might not know how to use it all yet, but I bet you can put it on auto and take a better photo than most people just from experience driving a camera :)

you'd expect so wouldn't you?
But I tell you unless you really keep your eye in and have a lapse of 10 years like I have, it's easy to lose the responsiveness - previously I saw pic and shot it almost before I known I'd done it, now I have trouble even seeing them

The thing I notice most now though is that previously, I rarely questioned my motive or ethic of taking a pic - I just took it and worried about it later. Now with all the paranoia surrounding terrorism and innaproriate interest in the young, plus levels of mistrust and aggression generally that seems to pervade today's society I am really careful of what I take, in fact I'm timid!

10 years ago I was like a paparrazi - I didn't give a monkeys uncle - now I'm TOO shy - I can't imagine getting back to how sharp I was. :(

- additionaly one thing that probably has a greater effect than I realsied is that my eyesight isn;'t what it was - I actually need to wear glasses to read the camera controls - so the viewfinder not being that good drives me mad!

[jeffherald]

My suggestions could apply to the 20D replacement or the 1DMKII replacement.

1. Eye-controlled focus (at least as an option). I love it on the Elan 7e. The 20D doesn't focus where I am looking and I got used to that. Having that as a option would be best because some people don't like that. If you haven't tried it, its great for tracking moving objects, like kids. Heck, that was the feature that made me choose Canon over Nikon in the first place.

2. Full-size sensor. I would like to get the nice W-I-D-E pics I used to get from my 24-70mm with film. Now I need to get a 15mm lens to equal the 24mm. If you like the 1.6 crop factor, you could always crop after the fact. It's easy to remove parts of the image, but you can't add it if the sensor didn't capture it.

3. ISO on the display without having to hit a button. It should also show in the viewfinder.

4. How about a better-fitting battery grip? It could be better, you know.

5. I also don't understand why the plug for the remote was changed. It was better with the mini-stereo plug. The one on the 20D feel like it is going to bend a pin every time I plug in the remote. Besides, I already had one for the 7e. Lame.

That's about it for me. As I said, I would buy the next 1DMKII if it had more of these options.

By the way, the 20D is pretty good, really. :D

[gastroboy]

the Elan 7e has eye-controlled focus? holly crap...that's cool.

[cosiecki]

Manual Program Mode! I want to set my exposure value once and be able to shift the program like in P mode. When I am in a constant lighting situation, I always use manual. That way the camera doesn't get "fooled" by the subject and change the exposure. Its also very handy when you have very contrasty lighting (stage lighting, night photos, etc.) The problem is that if you want to change your shutter speed or f-stop, you have to make 2 adjustments and count your clicks (unless you are THAT good with your shutter speeds and f-stops :) )
So, I want to set exposure, like in maunal, and then be able to turn just one wheel (or with the DRabel, not have to push button combos) like in P-Mode. It should be a simple software set-up.

I like the idea of a programmable mode dial. That would be cool.
-Chris

[I Simonius]

I really like the custom shooting mode idea, where shutter speed is maintained at the price of aperture and ISO, but only to a presettable limit. I could write a detailed algorithm that mimics how I set up for a shot. At least allow the camera to automatically adjust ISO within a customizable range.

Plus, I want it to have a built in cell phone/mp3 player/gps receiver.

I used to have a canon A1 a lonmg time ago and I seem to remember that it had shutter or aperture PRIORITY settings

This is a setting where the camera sets the highest shutter speed AVAILABLE or the smallest aperture available depending on the mode set.

It seems that this is what some people are requesting back
Am I right or have I misunderstood?

IMHO this could very usefully replace some of the the basic zone settings, or perhaps that's what they are already? I have to confess that I haven't looked at them at all since the first day of getting the camera :confused:

[I Simonius]

It surprises me that this very rarely comes up in topics. I too would love it to have a split-image focusing aid. More than anything else actually. I very often find myself either manual focusing or adjusting the focus. It seems like the focusing points on my 20D like to play around with me.

Or what would be a reasonable alternative is to adopt the Eye-tracking technology of the 30v / Elan 7e to the 30D... Although I've never tried it, it seems like a cool feature...

I wouldn't mind this an as OPTION but I might find it annoying
What would be good though is all focus points having the cfoss type thingy as I find that other than the central FP it can be way off off especially if the lighting is dodgy.

I now always use the central FP and then keeping the shutter half pressed, recompose

[I Simonius]

This thread shows the difficult job Canon has to keep us all happy . The originating post says 16mp and full frame are the primary "obvious" improvements in the 30D.
For me, an emphatic '"NO" and "NO" !
Anything more than 10~12mp would mean a new computer, and will never really show unless you're regularly printing A3 and above.
And I love the 'free' 1.6x I get on the end of my long lenses. If the sensor isn't APS sized, then it wouldn't be a true prosumer D60-10D-20D successor.

That's fine - but surely you're saying that you are basically really happy with your 20D?

On eof the main reasons, in fact as far asd I'm concerned THE most basic reason, to upgrade is to get better pic quality - this will mean bigger file sizes.
Computers and digitog ( my new word for digital photography :cool: ) go hand in hand so yes faster computers are needed for top end technology digitog kit

I'll pay that price for a super duper sharp as a 32 ASA kodachrome prosumer camera

It WILL come , the only question is when and will it be soon enough for me to upgrade? ;)

[I Simonius]

Manual Program Mode! I want to set my exposure value once and be able to shift the program like in P mode. When I am in a constant lighting situation, I always use manual. That way the camera doesn't get "fooled" by the subject and change the exposure. Its also very handy when you have very contrasty lighting (stage lighting, night photos, etc.) The problem is that if you want to change your shutter speed or f-stop, you have to make 2 adjustments and count your clicks (unless you are THAT good with your shutter speeds and f-stops :) )
So, I want to set exposure, like in maunal, and then be able to turn just one wheel (or with the DRabel, not have to push button combos) like in P-Mode. It should be a simple software set-up.

I like the idea of a programmable mode dial. That would be cool.
-Chris

thisis a good idea -methinks- I know just what you mean - you want to take several shots ina tricky changeable lighting situation with different apertures or speeds but all at the same exposure.
Nice one! :cool:

[Doom1701e]

Well, I haven't read all 5 pages of this thread but I will throw in my 2 cents. I used to shoot slides before the digital and I always used to shoot ISO 50 slide film. I'd like to see an ISO of 50 or something a little lower than 100. I know I have seen another digital (possibly a Nik*n) that had a lower ISO than 100. Also, as I am sure it has been said many times on this thread, a larger LCD view screen on the back. It would even be nice to have the swivel LCD like my dads A80 so the screen can be protected when unused.

[I Simonius]

Well, I haven't read all 5 pages of this thread but I will throw in my 2 cents. I used to shoot slides before the digital and I always used to shoot ISO 50 slide film. I'd like to see an ISO of 50 or something a little lower than 100. I know I have seen another digital (possibly a Nik*n) that had a lower ISO than 100. Also, as I am sure it has been said many times on this thread, a larger LCD view screen on the back. It would even be nice to have the swivel LCD like my dads A80 so the screen can be protected when unused.

I think there's no ISO 50 because it wouldn't improve the quality any further

[garbidz]

If it had Bluetooth, one could load the pictures without any cables and use a portable telephone as a remote control...like an Ericsson commands my Mac! Maybe with the same token, it could be used to set up personal exposure programs..?

Now I USE A PCI adapter and slot and admittedly, it is fast and handy. But bluetooth..you don't have to open eny latches!
Talkong about latches: The battery compartment latch is giving me trouble, the connector there is hypersensitive.
I'd like to hear the camera squeal as the battery dies.
The release button could be larger.
The diopter correction could be up to plus-three so i could shoot without glasses or with them, as I please.
There could be a quick-time movie on the CD about the normal shooting situations and the most usual mistakes we make.
Then, of course, there should be more usable small-sensor lenses. The thing gets quite big and clumsy with the big EOS lenses while it is using only the center part of the picture area.
Really, it is a well-thought-out product with little room for improvement.

I vould use some more "idiot modes", those where you just grab the camera and shoot at something that is moving quite fast.

Also, I'd like the compensations and special effects to go out whe I cut the power...maybe a "clear"-button?
My memory..cannot buy more!

[Chris1le]

1. Do something about the shutter. Really. Does it have to be that damned loud? :confused:

2. ISO in viewfinder is a must do.

3. Allow it to use the 10D's grip. The 20D's grip is an engineering disaster! If Canon must make a 30D grip and is going to charge a ridiculous price for it at least include a battery. Also put another multi-controller on the grip. It is impossible to use when shooting vertically.

4. I've always thought working ISO into the AV TV mix would be doable.

5. Do not make it any smaller!

[I Simonius]

How come no one's posting on the poll I posted?
Crap poll mebbe?

I have to say even after althe discussion the things I most want are -
- consistent wheel function;
-better VF
-exposure compensation lock or disable
-one time only bracketing
-mirror lock up with self timer

i.e easier to use and more idiot proof :D

[Jackal]

I think there's no ISO 50 because it wouldn't improve the quality any further

The more useful reason to have ISO 50 is if you want to shoot on a bright sunny day wide open on some lenses but the shutter speed cannot be high enough to stop it from being overexposed. It would help just a little to have slower "film" in this situation.

[I Simonius]

The more useful reason to have ISO 50 is if you want to shoot on a bright sunny day wide open on some lenses but the shutter speed cannot be high enough to stop it from being overexposed. It would help just a little to have slower "film" in this situation.

Hmmm,, interesting thought - working it out - Bright sunny day is ISO 100 @ 125 @ f16
=f1.4@8000th sec
near enough..I think - so a 50 ISO would only give you one stop approx slower i.e.4000 th sec, not enough to make any diff unless you wanted to give blur to a speeding bullet

I think the 20D has a 8000th sec speed.

If you wanted Shalllow DOF with slow Shutter you could use ND filters, about the only way to make any real difference methinks

[Jackal]

Well, I meant...

Let's say you want to take a portrait of someone at 1.4 in the bright sun (why I have no idea) but the shutter speed at that light on my XT would be over 4000 and it would come out overexposed. Then maybe having iso 50 would keep it just under. But then again if you shot raw then you could lower the exposure later.

I don't really care for an iso 50 actually. I was just throwing out an idea. It seems like you'd rarely ever run into a need for it I guess.

[I Simonius]

Well, I meant...

Let's say you want to take a portrait of someone at 1.4 in the bright sun (why I have no idea) but the shutter speed at that light on my XT would be over 4000 and it would come out overexposed. Then maybe having iso 50 would keep it just under. But then again if you shot raw then you could lower the exposure later.

I don't really care for an iso 50 actually. I was just throwing out an idea. It seems like you'd rarely ever run into a need for it I guess.

~You can't actually alter tthe exposure later I don't think :confused:

[Jackal]

If you shoot RAW yoy can adjust the exposure pretty well by 2 stops. Unless of course the details were blown out. In that case you're screwed.

[cubano100pct]

Take the EOS 1D Mark II, up the megapixels to 12.4MP, 5fps (too keep cost down), 1.0x focal length multiplier and put in a 20D body and call it 40D.

[I Simonius]

If you shoot RAW yoy can adjust the exposure pretty well by 2 stops. Unless of course the details were blown out. In that case you're screwed.

but you're not actually changing the exposure surely, just altering (pulling details from)the shadows or highlights, it may having the same apppearance as exposure change but you can't add or subtract info that's not there, as it would be with a different exposure

[Tomasz Dziechciarz]

http://333.fotoc.com/d/554393-2/userid88670time20060101151739.jpg

[EOSAddict]

Looks good - where is it from?

[dpastern]

damn well interesting! release date showing 18.5.2006. Can't read what the description is for the 50D, only that it's 11.2mp...A google search shows that it seems to have originated from this site (Japanese):

http://www.photosharp.com.tw/FORUM/ArticleList.aspx?ForumId=24&TopicId=111914&Page=8

Any Japanese reading forum members willing to translate ;)

Dave

[Coco-Puffs]

Any Japanese reading forum members willing to translate ;)

Dave

definitly NOT Japanese...

and I heard that new entry level body won't support .raw file...

[tim]

I'm not sure i'd want an 18.5MP 1.6X crop body, unless they're worked magic with the noise levels.

[shiato storm]

just found ths over at dpreview...
http://techhouse.brown.edu/~chris/japan/general/30D.jpg
(shamelessly pimped from the other forum...)

apparently thats a 1.2 85mm L and the body is the new "30D"/"3??D" looking like a 20d only bit bigger? smoother curves 'a la 5D' at least. to be honest it looks very much like a 350D and is a hoax but we'll just have to wait and see. looks like the rumours with pictures have begun early this time

[shiato storm]

I'm not sure i'd want an 18.5MP 1.6X crop body, unless they're worked magic with the noise levels.
18.5 in 1.6x? no way thats going to happen. the physics of it just don't work. we're almost at the limit of reasonable resolution as it is!

[EOSAddict]

Is it 18.5 or 10.5 - latter seems likely... there was a larger version of that table posted earlier (can't find it now) I am sure it was 10.5 in that.

[SuzyView]

We are all gluttons, aren't we? I just got my 20D and I'm not going to agonize over the new models, if they come out soon. The 8.2 megapixels are already killing my 512 RAM and RAW is definitely going to kill my CF cards. I won't even consider the 10.whatever until I can afford a new computer and printer. :(

But I have to admit, there's something about the investigation that's getting all of us a little curious. ;) and excited.

SuzyView

[EOSAddict]

Just had a look over at dpreview on the thread shiato storm hinted at. Crikey, those guys are brutal to each other!

We all hug trees by comparison!

[SuzyView]

I agree. It's not "a wonderful day in the neighborhood" over there. I think you have to work for DMV for a couple of years before you can argue over there. ;)

SuzyView

[shiato storm]

dpreview guys are harsh as...they strip you down and tie you to a lamp post in the middle of a busy shopping street if you get just the slightest bit of an opinion against canon/nikon in the appropriate forum!...ok so there are those that make tits of themselves but its pretty harsh over there. there are some good photographers but mostly they go on and on about 'how good is my...' and stupid stuff. i get the sense its very much 'USA news style' over there...heavily negative and over bearing. its much calmer and open here :)
here's a close up of the above original posting
http://333.fotoc.com/d/555005-2/eos.jpg

[tiha]

85mm F1.2 L II USM? And 'USM' text seems like it's on different angle... I think it's a hoax.

[gmazet]

I own a 300D, and have the fever for the flavor of a new camera.

I think the 20D is a great camera, and I am <this> close to picking one up, but I would like my next camera to have a bigger LCD. It's easy to miss blur if it is slight unless you magnify, which takes time and attention away from potentially getting another shot.

I would have considered the 5D but it is kinda expensive, and I can't use my 10-22 EFS lens on it, which really is no big deal, I would just keep the 300 around for the wide shots. if the price came down to 2K I would get it in a heartbeat!

[fstop11.net]

just found ths over at dpreview...
http://techhouse.brown.edu/%7Echris/japan/general/30D.jpg
(shamelessly pimped from the other forum...)

apparently thats a 1.2 85mm L and the body is the new "30D"/"3??D" looking like a 20d only bit bigger? smoother curves 'a la 5D' at least. to be honest it looks very much like a 350D and is a hoax but we'll just have to wait and see. looks like the rumours with pictures have begun early this time
I can promise you that is a 350D. I have seen the same pictures from another angle. These hoax ppl really do expect ppl to be thick!

[SuzyView]

WELCOME to the forum you new guys. Post a lot so we can get your take on things.

The coming of new equipment is something everyone is following. Just remember, as soon as you buy something you think is pretty new, Canon is already working on 2 models ahead. Just love the toys you're with. Then if you can afford new toys, realize they will be old toys in about 6 months. :)

SuzyView

[EOSAddict]

Have you actually looked at a 350D? For a start the command dial is on the opposite side ! ;)

[jjonsalt]

I'm not sure i'd want an 18.5MP 1.6X crop body, unless they're worked magic with the noise levels.

You got that right, Tim. I just got my wife an A610 (5mp). The A620 (7.1mp) was only a bit more but I felt on that small sensor it would be "too much of a good thing" and adversely affect IQ. Perhaps I'm wrong but I recall the complaints about the Pro 1 because of high noise.

[Tom W]

just found ths over at dpreview...
(shamelessly pimped from the other forum...)

apparently thats a 1.2 85mm L and the body is the new "30D"/"3??D" looking like a 20d only bit bigger? smoother curves 'a la 5D' at least. to be honest it looks very much like a 350D and is a hoax but we'll just have to wait and see. looks like the rumours with pictures have begun early this time

Looks suspiciously like a 350D to me. Could be wrong, though. ;)

[hemuni]

I can promise you that is a 350D. I have seen the same pictures from another angle. These hoax ppl really do expect ppl to be thick!

Looks more like the 5D with a fixed number.

[hemuni]

...or maybe not, the lenserelease is different.

[EOSAddict]

This is a 350D, not much like the picture!

http://www.camerastore.nl/vshop/images/canon350d.jpg

[Tom W]

Looks more like the 5D with a fixed number.

Well, the rubberized connector cover is not the same as the 5D - in fact, it is similar to the 350D. And of course, the 5D doesn't have the "lightning" button. :)


Anyway, I was looking at the other numbers in the squares, the "7.2K/sq mm" number. If that is supposed to be pixels per square mm, then it is wrong as the 5D and 1D II(n) have the same pixel density, and therefore the same number of pixels per square mm. Perhaps the number means something else.

[Tom W]

This is a 350D, not much like the picture!

http://www.camerastore.nl/vshop/images/canon350d.jpg

You're right (of course). I had apparently forgotten where the dial was on the 350D, and I had one for a short while. Shows how much I used it, < 1000 shots and I sold it.

[Jon]

ISTR this chart was posted here a while back, as someone's independent projection of what Canon was "likely" to do in the future, not as a leak from Canon.

[Tom W]

just found ths over at dpreview...
http://techhouse.brown.edu/~chris/japan/general/30D.jpg
(shamelessly pimped from the other forum...)


Compare to this:
http://techhouse.brown.edu/~chris/japan/general/20D.jpg

Somebody took the liberty of showing their 20D with 85L attached for comparison. Interesting....

[EOSAddict]

Yeah, looks quite different in shape to 20D, 5D and 350D. Someone said it looks morelike a 10D but don't think so

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canoneos10d/

10D has much smaller shoulder on left side of lens mount.

[SuzyView]

Ooooo.

SuzyView

[EOSAddict]

Unfortunately it looks as though it still has the BASIC modes on the dial :(

[aam1234]

There was a guy from the UK posting in DPR who was after the 1DsII and few lenses. IIRC, he called 48 shops and a lot of them told him to hold off a little until Sep/Oct as Canon will be introducing a new 1DsIIN.

Edit: Btw, when the 1DIIN was introduced was at lower price than the 1DII or the same price.

[john_ch]

Just found this
Hans Ree wrote:
> I had some fun putting the Canon EOS DSLRs since D2000 in a
> timeline scheme, and then try to assume what's next. We probably
> will know a lot more on monday. I will correct it then...
> The scheme I think gives a nice visualization of the camera
> developments at Canon.
> My assumptions is (and do not hang me if I am wrong!) that Canon
> from 2005 will have 5 levels, from the plastic entry level (3000D?)
> to the expensive weatherproof Pro level.
> The coming camera names are of course assumptions! (except maybe
> the 5D)
> In this early years of DSLRs the object having the most development
> is the sensor. That's why I have put some data about the sensors in
> the boxes.
> Prices are those at announcement time and will of course vary a lot
> during time and place.
> Here is the timeline as jpg:
> (I have also made a better to read pdf here:
> ww.dialogen.no/foto/EOS_cameras.pdf


Full thread here (http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1019&message=14683881)
looks like its just a rumor !!

[EOSAddict]

John, I think the original timeline was a rumour/opinion as you say - less certain of the photo shiato found on dpreview. By the way, love to see the 15-55 lens you have ;)

[davidfig]

Why are they always fuzzy and out of focus?

[john_ch]

:lol: Well Done :lol: You were the first to spot my delberate mistake ;)

[Ronald S. Jr.]

I'd like to have a single person show a difference between the bodies in those last two shots. They're the same. It's a 20D.

[EOSAddict]

I'd like to have a single person show a difference between the bodies in those last two shots. They're the same. It's a 20D.

Ron,

I thoink the curve of the body shape around the prism, lens button and commmand dial are quite different (not saying its genuine but the pics are quite different to me)

[Skippy29]

I'm going with this guy...

http://www.bobatkins.com/photography/digital/canon_questions_eos30d.html

[rklepper]

dpreview guys are harsh as...they strip you down and tie you to a lamp post in the middle of a busy shopping street if you get just the slightest bit of an opinion against canon/nikon in the appropriate forum!...ok so there are those that make tits of themselves but its pretty harsh over there. there are some good photographers but mostly they go on and on about 'how good is my...' and stupid stuff. i get the sense its very much 'USA news style' over there...heavily negative and over bearing. its much calmer and open here :)
here's a close up of the above original posting
http://333.fotoc.com/d/555005-2/eos.jpg

Interesting. A photographer friend of mine says he thinks IS will be on board the next generation of entry level cameras. He included eveything up to the 20D as an entry level camera.

[nitsch]

I'd like to have a single person show a difference between the bodies in those last two shots. They're the same. It's a 20D.

Look very closely at both of them the angle of the camera body is very slightly different in both of them, if one was merely a photoshopped version of the other the basic angles of the camera bodies would be identical. This doesn't mean that the "30D" is not a PS job but it's certainly not the same original pic.

[Hellashot]

http://333.fotoc.com/d/554393-2/userid88670time20060101151739.jpg

Where have you been? That's been floating around for a while. Some individual made that to look "official" and that is one person's guess. Disregard it.

[shiato storm]

quite flutter in MS excel and a brush-up in illustrator and there's your canon time-line diagram!

[sapearl]

no, no .... look more closely. That dial looks sort of concave in shape. Rumor has it that's the new cup holder...:lol:

I guess it's time for that afternoon pot-o-coffee. And just like my coffee grinder, the rumor mill keeps grinding away. Sure is fun though.

Unfortunately it looks as though it still has the BASIC modes on the dial :(

[defordphoto]

Why are they always fuzzy and out of focus?

The same reason all the alleged shots of "aliens", "spaceships", and "Bigfoot" are blurry.

[aam1234]

The same reason all the alleged shots of "aliens", "spaceships", and "Bigfoot" are blurry.

Ha ha, good one Jim.

[richardho11]

The same reason all the alleged shots of "aliens", "spaceships", and "Bigfoot" are blurry.

LOL!!!:lol:

[foxbat]

Oh cripes I promised myself I wouldn't want a new body for years and now I want both a 5D and 50D!

[defordphoto]

There will not be a Canon 50D. This is NOT a list from Canon!!

[foxbat]

Yeah I just realised. Ah well, at least the 5D exists for real.

[john_ch]

There will not be a Canon 50D. This is NOT a list from Canon!!

Nope it was a list by Hans Ree

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1019&message=14683881

[lakiluno]

interesting. I doubt, however that the "370D" (or whatever) will be the same resolution as it is right now - the 300d and 350d have both been the same or similar resolutions to the "parent" camera.

I also doubt canon will make a sub-350/70/400D camera - the 350d is pretty much the bottom of what you could do before you start having serious competion from the superzooms - what difference could there be between the 350d and its lower specced brother - lack of Raw - why would anyone buy that when they can get a G6 with similar features and raw, and without all the hassle of lenses. As far as I see it, the 350d is almost the bottom of the rung for the DSLRs, with the Nikon D50 slightly lower down and no room below that.

Leo

[defordphoto]

Nope it was a list by Hans Ree

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1019&message=14683881

Exactly. There are no valid lists that exist for what Canon will be doing this year, next year, or the next millineum. Canon is very closed-lipped about their future products and the real news only "leaks" out maybe a week or so before their official announcement. Anything else is absolute rumor with zero backing whatsoever.

[Tom W]

Now that triple rebates are done and people's focus is on what's coming as opposed to what's available, is it yet time for the official "rumour" thread? :)

[CyberDyneSystems]

That Chart on page one of this thread is so definitely NOT something that came from Canon marketing...

The terms used "Premium" "Semi Pro" are the type of pigeon holing we consumers continuously try to impose on Canon's goods,. but they are not terms that Canon uses to describe there products. If A Canon employee called an entirely new category of DSLR "Easy" on an internal document,. I assure Fujio Mitarai San would have his head.

[Citizensmith]

what difference could there be between the 350d and its lower specced brother - lack of Raw - why would anyone buy that when they can get a G6 with similar features and raw

Because the target audience of a budget DSLR really wont give a crap about RAW. Sure, they could be better off with a G6 or whichever, but the Canon 3000D with its brand new EF-S 22-45 f/4.5-5.6 lens (with new ultra high quality plastic lens elements) will make them feel and look more like a pro. Also, it would score as a gateway drug and make people want to stick with the brand when they later upgrade. If you have a G6 and upgrade there is nothing to stop you switching.

[shiato storm]

if anyone did work for canon and released info to early you can bet they no longer work for canon