Soccer (Football) Shooting Strategies

[rcanzano]

I've been shooting my daughter's soccer games lately and am wondering if anyone has succesfull shooting stategies. In other words how do you get the shots you get. Where on the field is it best to be? Do you follow the ball and snap at whatever is happening? Do you focus in on a certain player and wait for something interesting.

I recently purchased the 100-400 beast and find it difficult to follow action when zoomed in and as action comes close zooming out and getting shots, especially if the action comes close to my sideline and the widest I can go is 100.

Just looking for some suggestionsto help narrow things down and focus in instead of the "shotgunning" I'm doing now.

What do you do, and how do you do it?

[mnfinnkidd]

Well if you're using a 100-400 lense you just have to live with that you can only go to 100mm wide. My professionals just have a wider angle lense around their neck waiting if action comes closer to them. Well since most of us don't have the kind of cash to just have two nice d-camera sitting around. It's usually not an option.

Just to give it to you. Sports photography is kind of a crap shoot, so shotgunning is kind of the best approach. Many professionals probably have about 30/40% of there photos in focus and of something good. You have a digital camera. Your film is more or less free. So use it.

As for what to follow, the ball is always a good choice. But also better players can make better shots. So if you know it's likely that the star is going to get the ball and take this amazing shot around the goalie..follow her for a while. Or just follow players of focus(mainly your daughter, i'm assuming for you).

Where to be on the field. I'm a fan being in that area beyond the backline of the side that your team is trying to score on. You can get some amazing facial expressions. But there's some limitations with how far into the field you can go and how close they can come..you could always back up to allow for the telephoto of yours to work. I think the key is to keep moving. Keep trying. You may miss a shot...but you may also get one that you wouldn't have if you hadn't moved around.

That's what i got. Well I don't shoot soccer (yet..) so you know but i do shoot rugby which i figured was pretty equivelant for you....

[earplugsrequired]

I used to shoot soccer and used to always be in the area on the end of the field, you know behind the goal area. I would try to position myself about halfway between the goal and the corner to give a chance to get shots of both spots.We would change sides when our team changed sides. Almost everyone had a second camera with them for the closer shots.

The best advice is to follow the ball. Knowing the game and the team helps in planning ahead. Many great photos are all in the timing.

[gmen]

I recently posted a few thoughts on shooting football here:

http://www.photography-on-the.net/forum/showpost.php?p=1008779&postcount=175

Hopefully that will be of some interest.

EDIT: I would add that sports photography shouldn't really be a crap shoot :lol: With some planning and the correct settings, you should be able to maximise your 'keepers'. It's unwise to shoot everything that moves in the hope that you'll get a good pic... at the very least, it'll just mean that you'll have to spend a whole lot more time editing as you try to weed out the good shots. There's no harm in shooting at 8fps or 5fps, but your bursts of shooting should be focused bursts rather than random machine-gunning ;) Most importantly, the first frame of your sequence needs to be timed well, otherwise you'll miss the real peak action...

---- Gavin

[nicmo]

I like shooting soccer about 5-10 feet off either side of the corners with the action coming at you. I tend to get more of the face and expressions with being in those potions.

[gmen]

I like shooting soccer about 5-10 feet off either side of the corners with the action coming at you. I tend to get more of the face and expressions with being in those potions.
Welcome aboard nicmo! Hope you enjoy yourself at POTN... the sports forum is a busy old place... so looking forward to seeing some of your pics!

In fact, before I veer off rcanzano'a topic, it might be an idea for the football (hmmm... soccer) shooters here to post some pics in this thread to show how the different angles/strategies work for them ;)

The proof of the pudding is in the seeing :lol: I'll add a couple of pics a bit later on.

---- Gavin

[nicmo]

Gman, Thanks for the welcome and suggestion! Here are a few pix that demonstrate the shooting angle I was suggesting. Both shots were from the corners from a standing position. Both shots were using an f/2.8 70-200, but the second one I also used a x2 converter.

[rcanzano]

Thanks for all the info so far, I really appreciate it. gmen, great article.

Well, it seems I'm doing what you suggest. I've been pretty much hanging around the backline of the opposing teams goal. My daughter's team, at least so far this year, have been doing well and the ball is rarely on their side of the field. I realize it'll take more practice to get better, but I appreciate the comments. It helps to confirm what I was doing is right. I just need to boost my keeper rate. In two games I took something like 300 shots and only had about 20 that I liked.

Here's a few. . . . .

[rcanzano]

2 more

[rcanzano]

and the last

[gmen]

Some great shots there guys!

OK... So as promised here's a random selection of pics from slightly different angles:

From the sidelines, about 20 yards down from the half-way line at 420mm (300mm + 1.4x)...

http://www.tgsphoto.co.uk/forum_images/eg002.JPG

Again from the sidelines at 420mm, right on the half-way line. This might also be one good example of why it's not always a good idea to zoom out...

http://www.tgsphoto.co.uk/forum_images/ga006.jpg

Something in the goal area, taken from behind the goal-line just outside the 18-yard box with the 70-200mm...

http://www.tgsphoto.co.uk/forum_images/aq002.JPG

Again from behind the goal-line at 600mm (300mm +2x), a celebration at the far end of the pitch...

http://www.tgsphoto.co.uk/forum_images/fa009.jpg

From the same game and the same position at 420mm...

http://www.tgsphoto.co.uk/forum_images/fa004.jpg

From adjacent to the corner flag at 420mm, diagonally across the pitch...

http://www.tgsphoto.co.uk/forum_images/yor005.JPG

Another reason I often like to shoot from the sidelines, the manager shot..

http://www.tgsphoto.co.uk/forum_images/oo001.jpg

Also, bear in mind that when players celebrate a goal they often run away from the visiting fans behind the goal ;)...

http://www.tgsphoto.co.uk/forum_images/ooo002.JPG

Like I said, just a random selection of pics. I think I favour the sideline view as it opens up the opportunites, particularly if you have access to 300mm+ glass. It's just a matter of style I suppose... but I've also been sat behind the goal for a full 45 minutes and not managed a half-decent pic because all the action has been at the other end :lol:

Did I mention that the sideline view makes for great shots of the goalie as well (at 300mm)?...

http://www.tgsphoto.co.uk/forum_images/ooo001.JPG

In all honesty, football provides stacks of great images from the sidelines, from the corners or from behind the goals... Just remember to keep both eyes open ;)

---- Gavin

[rcanzano]

Wow. Once again great stuff there. I realize too that there is no good background at the field they play at. It's either cars, or a big tin shed, or another field or just more ugly grass and dirt. Their games are always just before sunset, so I can only shoot from one side of the field.

You have some great backgrounds on your shots.

[gmen]

You have some great backgrounds on your shots.You can try to pick your spot to provide the best possible backgrounds... however, that's not always possible as the play isn't necessarily going to happen where you want it to!

The only way of minimising the background distraction is to try to minimise your DoF - i.e. make sure you're filling the frame and shoot wide open. If the subject is a bit too far away, even at a long focal length, the background can be intrusive... and as soon as you start to stop your lens down, you're asking for trouble :lol:

From the pics you've posted you're well on the way there. One suggestion would also be to shoot from a lower angle, sitting or kneeling... that can help increase the impact of the images as the players loom that little bit larger.

---- Gavin

[Lisa F]

Gavin,

you have to be by far the best soccer photog out there. The images you get are just STUNNING!!! i aspire to shoot like that. just got my 70-200mm, my little guy is playing U9 competitive travel and when he moves up in age, field size grow, so hopefully will my lens!!(and expertice!)

Our soccer coach is a 21 yr old from Manchester. Stevie Schard. Love him and he is Super with the kids!

Could look at your pics all day! If I am ever in your neck of the woods I am going to call you to go out with you on a shoot one day kay??

Lisa

[MTalley]

Can't agree with gmen more about timing your first shot well if you are going to try to capture several images in rapid succession. Trying to use the (aguably) 2.5 fps of my 300D has taught me to just try to time single shots well. Though I keep the camera in burst mode, I usually just take single images about 98% of the time.

I also agree that staying down low works best for the younger children. I've been known to lay on the ground to get some interesting effects with the U6 crowd, especially. Here's an example.

http://www.pbase.com/talleyfamilyphotography/image/53925157.jpg

Also, instead of potentially fighting camera settings, use Av mode and set the aperture to the maximum aperture (smallest number) of your lens and leave it there. Adjust ISO, if needed, to keep shutter speeds between about 1/500th and the maximum shutter speed your camera supports (on mine - 1/4000th).

[gmen]

Gavin,

you have to be by far the best soccer photog out there. The images you get are just STUNNING!!! i aspire to shoot like that. just got my 70-200mm, my little guy is playing U9 competitive travel and when he moves up in age, field size grow, so hopefully will my lens!!(and expertice!)

Our soccer coach is a 21 yr old from Manchester. Stevie Schard. Love him and he is Super with the kids!

Could look at your pics all day! If I am ever in your neck of the woods I am going to call you to go out with you on a shoot one day kay??

LisaThanks Lisa :o

If I could give just one bit of advice it would be to shoot low and tight - try not to zoom out... (is that three bits of advice? :lol: )...

...if you ever find yourself in Essex, give me a shout. I'll take you to some of the glorious venues I frequent ;)

---- Gavin

[nicmo]

I also like shooting youth soccer from a lower angle from the knee to a sitting position. Although not a lot of time to react and get out of the way of a stray ball.

The one question I have is, I was shooting with a 25 year pro sports shooter a few times over the summer who recommend shooting from a standing position or the highest point I can get to (small hills or slopes). Other than achieving a down angle prospective, is there any technical reason for this? I was thinking this was just his preferred angle or is it to show more grass than reflective surfaces? I don't mind changing up a bit for varity sake, but I really do like the look of being on the same level as the players. I'm not sure if there is an answer to shooting low versus high, but I thought I would throw it out there and get some opinions.

Thanks!

[Lisa F]

Gavin,
Don't take that offer too lightly!!! I have been known to getting places on the spur of the moment...took off to meet my dh in Sweden(he was there for work) and then toured through Norway (my dad was born in Alesund, NO).
My dh is in Korea as we speak, but having 3 little rugrats, the spontinaeity is not always doable! Been bugging him to try to fly through London to get to Asia and we can do a bit of touristy stuff!!!
Long story not so short....could be doable within the next few years!!
Lisa

[gmen]

The one question I have is, I was shooting with a 25 year pro sports shooter a few times over the summer who recommend shooting from a standing position or the highest point I can get to (small hills or slopes). Other than achieving a down angle prospective, is there any technical reason for this?The reasoning behind this is probably to have the grass as the (uncluttered) background... as long as you can get high enough with long glass this is certainly possible. It might eliminate some of the parked cars and other gubbins that can be scattered around the sidelines at small venues.

One downside of this technique is that you may not always see the players' faces clearly as they will often be looking slightly down if they are on the ball.

I can certainly see that there is some mileage in mixing in a few shots from a high vantage point here and there... but I'm still a strong advocate of shooting from a low angle. The lower viewpoint maximises the stature of the players and therefore the impact of the images, shows the height they achieve when they are jumping for headers and so on...

Does this particular shooter have a web site? It would be interesting to see his technique in action.

---- Gavin

[nicmo]

Yeah, he did have the big glass to reach where I can only dream and drool. He was a great guy, very helpful and gave me plenty of pointers and I was very grateful. I just had that one outstanding question, I couldn't get my head around. Thanks for the feed back!

Here is his website: http://www.donsmithphotography.com/

He doesn't post any of his youth sports pix, it's more of his pro portfolio.

[gmen]

Yeah, he did have the big glass to reach where I can only dream and drool. He was a great guy, very helpful and gave me plenty of pointers and I was very grateful. I just had that one outstanding question, I couldn't get my head around. Thanks for the feed back!

Here is his website: http://www.donsmithphotography.com/

He doesn't post any of his youth sports pix, it's more of his pro portfolio.Thanks for the link... there's some nice work there. You can certainly see the virtues of the high viewpoint in the baseball pics. It works very well with the geometric layout of the field.

Good stuff.

---- Gavin

[gmen]

Gavin,
Don't take that offer too lightly!!! I have been known to getting places on the spur of the moment...took off to meet my dh in Sweden(he was there for work) and then toured through Norway (my dad was born in Alesund, NO).
My dh is in Korea as we speak, but having 3 little rugrats, the spontinaeity is not always doable! Been bugging him to try to fly through London to get to Asia and we can do a bit of touristy stuff!!!
Long story not so short....could be doable within the next few years!!
Lisa:lol: Well, Lisa... if you can bring yourself to do the tourist thing in Essex (we have some lovely oil refineries and mudflats) then I'll be more than happy to meet up for some footballing fun!

---- Gavin

[Spencerj]

:lol: Well, Lisa... if you can bring yourself to do the tourist thing in Essex (we have some lovely oil refineries and mudflats) then I'll be more than happy to meet up for some footballing fun!

---- Gavin



Mudflats? You mean ETU's Pitch? :rolleyes:

[gmen]

Mudflats? You mean ETU's Pitch? :rolleyes::lol: What's the chances of the match being on on Saturday?

---- Gavin

[Carzee]

I'm looking for a converter to help with this years football. I got into DSLR for last year's season of my twins, the Kingfishers. This year they will be in the under 11 team. I can freely move along the sidelines. I ran into the problem of when they get too close for tele. This year I have a second body and a 50mm for it. I could try the WA too.

Here's one where I am close:

http://i.pbase.com/v3/58/572458/2/45930841.44625511.050605soccer119c.jpg

[Carzee]

I am also going for a monopod this year. Its on my list...

http://i.pbase.com/v3/58/572458/2/47657543.CRW_100501_1000h.jpg

[Carzee]

http://i.pbase.com/v3/58/572458/2/45930766.44619712.050528soccer115c.jpg

[Lisa F]

Carzee,

Cool shots and I can't wait to get outside to shoot with my lens... hey isn't that last one high kicking????? Great capture!

lisa

[gmen]

hey isn't that last one high kicking?????Certainly looks that way! Hopefully the ref blew up for an indirect free-kick... or not as the case may be :lol:

Also... on the subject of that image... I think it may serve to illustrate why shooting from a lower position is frequently advisable. Carzee's timing is superb... but the height of the kick would have been fully revealed if the image had been made from a much lower viewpoint.

Just a thought ;)

---- Gavin

[Spencerj]

:lol: What's the chances of the match being on on Saturday?

---- Gavin

The gazette are advising people to ring before leaving but if its off im going to thurrock v farnborough i think... on thursday night they let 70 kids train on the pitch... doh. :rolleyes:

[gmen]

... on thursday night they let 70 kids train on the pitch... doh. :rolleyes::lol: Madness!

Did you go to Thurrock vs Braintree last Monday - must have been a big disappointment for Jimmy Mac and co? We thought we needed it, then we didn't... then after the event we did :lol: such is life. Anyway, it's been a busy week on the speedway front so that should be the big story for the Gazette and Recorder. Talking of which, have you seen the Recorder yet? Probably won't get my copy 'til tomorrow...

EDIT: ...which all reminds me, you might not have seen these yet: http://www.photoshelter.com/gallery-show?G_ID=G0000wZu9hd9o1xM

---- Gavin

[rcanzano]

Had another go at it on Tuesday. This time I used my new Sigma 70-200 2.8. This setup was much lighter! The last shoot I posted earlier in this thread was with my Canon 100-400L. How are these?

[rcanzano]

Some more . . .

[rcanzano]

and two more . . . .

[Spencerj]

:lol: Madness!

Did you go to Thurrock vs Braintree last Monday - must have been a big disappointment for Jimmy Mac and co? We thought we needed it, then we didn't... then after the event we did :lol: such is life. Anyway, it's been a busy week on the speedway front so that should be the big story for the Gazette and Recorder. Talking of which, have you seen the Recorder yet? Probably won't get my copy 'til tomorrow...

EDIT: ...which all reminds me, you might not have seen these yet: http://www.photoshelter.com/gallery-show?G_ID=G0000wZu9hd9o1xM

---- Gavin

Yeah, I was the only snapper there... 1 of my pics is in the gazette this week i think,i havent got mine yet but someone said it was in there. Havent seen the recorder yet but neil has just texted me to say the non league paper are looking for freelancers... hope i can sort something out.

[Boggy]

Just to jump in, the NLP have been running adverts for a while. As a general question, do you need a licence to shoot at this level as a freelance?

Shaun

[gmen]

Had another go at it on Tuesday. This time I used my new Sigma 70-200 2.8. This setup was much lighter! The last shoot I posted earlier in this thread was with my Canon 100-400L. How are these?
Some great work there. Looks like you've enjoyed using the 70-200mm... I'd still suggest getting a stool or a case to sit on as I think you'd be even more pleased with the results (but I would say that wouldn't I :lol: I think I've got a low viewpoint obsession!)
Yeah, I was the only snapper there... 1 of my pics is in the gazette this week i think,i havent got mine yet but someone said it was in there. Havent seen the recorder yet but neil has just texted me to say the non league paper are looking for freelancers... hope i can sort something out.Well.. I'm sure I'll be over at Ship Lane again before the season's out. I'll take a look in the Gazette tomorrow - I usually have a browse when I get a chance. Why not post up some of the pics from Monday here? Would be good to see some more work under the lights...

The NLP have been advertising for freelancers all season. I dread to think how many togs they have on their books now :lol: I do the odd job for them but it tends to be Braintree as their enthusiasm for the likes of Aveley, Thurrock and Redbridge is fairly small... and the Recorder's requirements obviously come first for me. Still, it's good experience wiring on deadline and all that jazz.

---- Gavin

[Spencerj]

gmen, yeah... maybe it will work out, who knows...

boggy: pass, trying to find out myself.... if i find out ill let you know...

[gmen]

Just to jump in, the NLP have been running adverts for a while. As a general question, do you need a licence to shoot at this level as a freelance?

ShaunShaun - you'll need a licence for Conference level (National, North & South)... but not below that level.

---- Gavin

[Boggy]

Gavin, is this the same as "The Championship" rules ie X number of invoices of published work? (this stops the free picture/ byline hunters). Who's the contact?

Shaun

[gmen]

Gavin, is this the same as "The Championship" rules ie X number of invoices of published work? (this stops the free picture/ byline hunters). Who's the contact?

ShaunStrangely, you don't need to be able to show published work to hold a Conference Licence. My licence is via an Essex Conference club. You could talk to your local Conference club and see if they would be able to help you out.

As for a contact at the Conference, there's a press office e-mail on the Conference official website.

---- Gavin

[Spencerj]

does anyone have a phone number or email from the advert in the non league paper, having trouble getting a copy, my contact at the paper said he would drop one off but the sooner i can contact them the better. thanks all...

[Boggy]

Thanks Gavin.

Spencerj, the contact was (if memory serves) pictures at greenwaysmedia co uk. Sure it said something about three sample images. Good luck.

Shaun

[Spencerj]

thanks, ill check that out... spencer

[rcanzano]

Some great work there. Looks like you've enjoyed using the 70-200mm... I'd still suggest getting a stool or a case to sit on as I think you'd be even more pleased with the results (but I would say that wouldn't I :lol: I think I've got a low viewpoint obsession!)---- Gavin

Thanks, I'll try getting lower at the next game. I did like working with the 70-200, but I did miss the range of the 100-400 sometimes.

[gmen]

Thanks, I'll try getting lower at the next game. I did like working with the 70-200, but I did miss the range of the 100-400 sometimes.Looks like you're working well with the 70-200... also shooting wide open at f/2.8 at 200mm will give you a nice amount of isolation - something that would be more difficult to achieve at 200mm on the 100-400.

---- Gavin

[Amorous]

Thanks, I'll try getting lower at the next game. I did like working with the 70-200, but I did miss the range of the 100-400 sometimes.
Your last set of pictures are MUCH MUCH better than previous ones. The girls really popped because of the BG blur caused by wide aperture. 70-200 2.8 IS is on my wish list. ;)

By the way, how do you like your Tamron 28-105 f/2.8? my 28-135 IS is OK, but I want a faster and higher quality walk-around lens. 24-105 f/4 IS is very nice, but also quite expensive.

[rcanzano]

I like my Tamron 28-105 2.8. When I bought my 20D I got it instead of the kit lens. It's a good all around lens I think. I haven't really done any side by side comps, between my other lenses though. It seems do the job and I got it for $500.

[SuzyView]

I think I had my 85 1.8 for this one. I am one of the coaches so I am right up in front.

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BTW, I've enjoyed all the pictures on this thread a lot. I have some work to do in the next 10 years. My son is only 6. ;) :)

SuzyView
20D, 10D, EOS 3, 550EX, and great stuff

[daddio2]

Great thread here. I've only shot three games (U6) but it's been a lot of fun. Despite my relative lack of skill in knowing where to position myself, I've managed to get a few good shots and will use them as examples of "what to do" when planning for next season (spring).

http://daddio.smugmug.com/photos/49934244-O.jpg
http://daddio.smugmug.com/photos/49934125-O.jpg

Just as one poster suggested, I also use Av mode and shoot wide open to blur out the backgrounds as much as possible.

[nicmo]

daddio2- Some nice shots I especially like pix 1. U6 are so fun to shoot and they have some of the best expressions.

[Amorous]

daddio2- Some nice shots I especially like pix 1. U6 are so fun to shoot and they have some of the best expressions.
I agree. #1 is an excellent shot, as good as Gavin's pictures.;) You shot low as Gavin's recommendation and it makes the subject more "popped". I would crop the lady on the left though.

[Spencerj]

I thought id post a few of mine here for critique... here are some from the summer...

[Spencerj]

2 more...

[Spencerj]

last 2 for now...

[nicmo]

I really like the 3rd-5th shots the best. Have you thought about maybe cropping the 3rd pix a bit and take the other player out of the frame?

[Spencerj]

Not really as it gives a bit of insight into whats going on, without the defender there you dont know if he is just jogging along etc but i do agree he should be closer to the player on the ball...

[Spencerj]

Here are a few more... BTW is it me or does the ball look tiny in the shot below (fingertip save) looks like a tennis ball lol ;)

[Spencerj]

Last 2 for now... hope im not boring anyone... :rolleyes: :oops:

[Adpully]

I have just had my first bash taking football I did not manage to take any sharp pictures at all and none like Gavins. I used my dads EF 80-200 f4.5 -f5.6 - Generally the shutter speed at 1/400 to 1/800th of a second and the lens was wide open.- Question are bitingly sharp pictures possible with a cheap lens? and whats the most important factor in getting very sharp images? good light a good lens or 1000th of a second shutter speed, monopod supported?

[Spencerj]

Well, Im not sure you would call mine sharp but for what its worth they were taken with a 90 quid tamron 70-300 4-5.6

[gmen]

Well, Im not sure you would call mine sharp but for what its worth they were taken with a 90 quid tamron 70-300 4-5.6They look good to me Spencer... none too shabby ;)

---- Gavin

[Spencerj]

From you thats a massive compliment, thanks... still a very very long way to go.... ive got more here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/spennyj/sets/72057594050231450/

[tammicrazycrew]

I loved the photo. I have been taking photos of Varsity soccer, with 70-300 4/5.6 and suddenly my photos are grainy and out of focus. I am very new to this have my iso at 1600 and 5.6 is the lowest for avi. Any suggestions? Thanks

[John Nicholas]

Thought I'd add one to the mix

http://freemoneymarketing.com/_MG_1875Aopt.jpg

[roxaltl]

Here's my first upload at the forum. Been reading a lot of great information here and trying to apply it. I am getting much better but still have a long but fun way to go!

C&C welcomed

http://roeco.smugmug.com/photos/90657264-M-2.jpg

My daughter is the keeper!

Rox

[Scott B]

Well, I've been following this thread and I'm very impressed. I decided to go out this Saturday and just knew I was going to get some killer shots from our local HS game. WRONG!

I'm shooting with the 70-200IS in servo mode. I shot in strong daylight @iso 200 and @ 2.8.

Since I'm usually shooting weddings I need to ask a question ... should I have turned the image stabalization off? I hadn't even thought about it till I started typing.

Anyway ... I'll keep shooting and hope that it improves over time.

Great info guys.

[pmpt]

Anyone had any experience with lacrosse? I'm shooting a brother's lacrosse tournament in Vegas and any advice would be great. I'm still very new here, and with the camera.

[ladonna]

What settings do you have your camera on for these pics? I am also shooting my daughter's soccer. Just would like to compare settings? Do you use AV or TV? thanks,

[ladonna]

oh, I think I found how to reply. I just sent you an email, ( I hope). I asked you about TV and AV settings and about 2 different lenses used for shooting soccer. I hope you got it, LaDonna

[Kiddo]

I don't know if this will help you any, but...................

I do a lot of football photos. Both my boys play, and I know several people that play for different teams that are in this area. What I've learnt from know people and hanging out during practices, is the plays!! LOL!!! If you can read the play, or here what the QB is calling, you will be able to know where the ball is going and get ready for that picture! That's what I do, sometimes it works great, other times, you get the odd extra players hand or foot in your picture.

[ladonna]

I love those shots! Mine are missing something! Can you please tell me exactly what settings you have your camera set at? I tried mine on AV, ISO 400, Speed 1/4000, and the aperature open to 4, and white balance set to sunny. Any suggestions? My pics almost seemed too bright. I used the 70 - 300 f/4 - 5.6 lens. I look forward to any help you can give, thanks, LaDonna

[ladonna]

I took some pics tonight and was very pleased. Thanks for all the suggestions on the settings. I am excited to try for more shots tomorrow night when my other daughter plays. Things on the camera are finally starting to make sense. thanks again, LaDonna

[mark hodsman]

The first two pictures are a treat. Very visually interesting. I like the flow of the tidal wave girl. The girl trapping the ball is a great moment in time....the first image is the winner though, nice bg and tight crop. Keep 'em coming

[Souwalker]

I took some pics tonight and was very pleased. Thanks for all the suggestions on the settings. I am excited to try for more shots tomorrow night when my other daughter plays. Things on the camera are finally starting to make sense. thanks again, LaDonna

What settings were they and what settings for daylight soccer?
Thanks
Pat

[kantonburg]

I'm curious as to what metering mode everyone uses for soccer? Eval, spot, center? I've read numerous threads and it's back and forth. I'm hoping that anyone that shoots soccer a lot has found one is better than the other.

thanks!

[michael_]

Thought I'd add one to the mix

http://freemoneymarketing.com/_MG_1875Aopt.jpg

i just love this shot, kicked in the face by her team mate :)

I'm curious as to what metering mode everyone uses for soccer? Eval, spot, center? I've read numerous threads and it's back and forth. I'm hoping that anyone that shoots soccer a lot has found one is better than the other.

thanks!

i would imagine use spot metering zoom in to get an exposure of a middle gray area then add the values in to manual mode and shoot, well thats what i do for tennis and motorsport.

[Proctorr]

Sit near the goal of the team that is scoring the most :D

[c18913]

As it's soccer (football) season again, I thought I'd bring this up. I'm just hating my soccer and (american) football photos. Focus is soft, soft soft (UGH) I've tried everything I can think of.

Using 20D, 70-300 IS, 85 1.8, or 24-105L, keeping it wide open, ISO 200-400 and speeds above 640 (hopefully gear will improve at some point, but probably not until at least Christmas -- and then my questions will center on which body to get next!), so for now, before the season ends, I need suggestions about:

Where to set the AF focus dot (all nine, just the center...)?
What kind of metering (partial seems to be mentioned a lot)?
What about servo vs one-shot?
Should IS be choice "1" or "2"?

Thanks so much.

Christy

[VladDracule]

im also wondering about focus during soccer shoots. mine always seem to come out very soft, granted i dont have a great lens for it but it still seems to be overly soft

Matt

[nicmo]

Use AI Servo and you can also try the back button focus and see if that helps you any.

[mhackney]

nicmo, what is back button focus?

Also, I notice that some adocate taking a meter reading to get exposure and then set to shoot manual. Most of the games I shoot have varying light conditions - shade at 1 end of the pitch, etc. I find using Av and letting the camera handle exposure works best when I am shooting RAW. I will try the manual techhique at an upcoming practce though! I use the practices to practice my photography and try new things!

Cheers,
Michael

[nicmo]

Not sure what type of camera you have, but it will be in your custom fuctions. on the MKIIN it's FN 4 and set it to 1. I have never taken a meter reading for soccer I let the camera auto white balance and I almost always over expose by 1/3 to 2/3 depending how high the sun is and if I am shooting into it. I tend to float between AV & TV modes depending on a lot of factors, but I lean more to AV mode.

[mhackney]

thanks nicmo. I shoot a 40D and an antique 60D :) I don't think either of them have the feature - I just looked in my 40D manual and it does not.

I am curious about why you over expose and under what conditions - shooting in to sun, overhead, early or late day.thanks!
Michael

[nicmo]

You can set this on a 20D so I would assume you can with a 40D as well. Check your custom functions and what you are looking for is the AE Lock/AF. Now the * button focus takes a bit of getting use to, but once you have it down it is great.

I haven't been that happy with the midline exposure on the MKIIN and a lot of the other shooters I shoot with say the same. Most of the time I have it set 1/3 over. If it is a really low sun and I am shooting into it I’ll go up to 2/3 over. I find faces expose better and gives you a really nice halo around the player.

[mhackney]

thanks, yes the 40D does have this function.


Michael

[DennisE]

Hi all
Great thread thanks for all the info. I need to buy a lens for shooting football (soccer) and can only afford one. Do I buy a 70-200 IS or the 100-400 IS. I realise its down to my type of shooting but would appreciate a general idea what YOU would buy.
Thanks in advance.

[snapzz]

Hi all
Great thread thanks for all the info. I need to buy a lens for shooting football (soccer) and can only afford one. Do I buy a 70-200 IS or the 100-400 IS. I realise its down to my type of shooting but would appreciate a general idea what YOU would buy.
Thanks in advance.

To start with I'd go for a 70-200 f2.8. Dont worry about the IS as you wont need it so S/H if you can find one is ok. This lens will cover the penalty area and be ok if used in failing light or night matches (within reason). The 100-400 is only f5.6 so will restrict your usage unless the light is good.

[nicmo]

I would recommend the 70-200 f/2.8 as this lens will give you way more versatility at f/2.8.

[DennisE]

Thanks Snapzz and Nicmo for your input and agree the 2.8f would be a distinct advantage. Sorry to be a pain but new to sport photography, do you think you would loose much action by not having the extra length the 100-400 provides.

[nicmo]

Yes, you will be limited on your range and the action will have to be fairly close. I would still recommend the 70-200. Throw on a 1/4 TC and that would put you up to 320mm f/4 and still faster on the long end than the 100-400mm. I am not trying the knock the 100-400mm, I think it is a great lens, but you have to have nearly perfect conditions for shooting with it. The 70-200 will give you greater DOF as well.

[snapzz]

Yes, you will be limited on your range and the action will have to be fairly close. I would still recommend the 70-200. Throw on a 1/4 TC and that would put you up to 320mm f/4 and still faster on the long end than the 100-400mm. I am not trying the knock the 100-400mm, I think it is a great lens, but you have to have nearly perfect conditions for shooting with it. The 70-200 will give you greater DOF as well.

I agree.

Also if new to sports try and concentrate on the action nearer to you. This lens is ideal for that. Alternatively you could try the Sigma 120-300 f2.8. Some people swear by it and could be an ideal alternative.

[DennisE]

Thanks once again Snapzz and Nicmo for your input and quick replies much appreciated

[Mike R]

When I shoot a soccer game, I work the perimiter of the entire field since the action is all over. I will pay close attention to certian palyers If I need to get more shots of him/her rather than pay attention to the "stars" of the team. This way parents of a not so great player can still get an action shot of their child.

[1downfall]

man...awesome shots. Hello all, I am new here and new to shooting with my xti. I just got the 70-200 f4 L. I am trying like crazy to have my shots turn out like the ones posted here....Hmmm no such luck yet unless they are posing for me. I have a couple that were shot ok....but they lack definition and clarity. It hurts to go back and review them and see that I messed up. Any ways....I am definately looking for solid shooting advice and some critique when i post my pics. thanks all.

[nicmo]

1downfall, welcome to the forum!

Can you post a couple of pics so we can take a look and make suggestions and help you achieve what you are looking for?

[1downfall]

yes I will...I need to read up on how to upload pics here....By tomorrow I will have some.:lol:

[bobbyz]

What would be good focal length for soccer? I have 500mm f4 and 2 times I tried it on youth soccer, it was too long on 1.6x crop. I had to be quite far behind the goal.

Would 300mm f2.8 much better or would I need 1.4xTC most of the time?

[gibbyni]

Im also interested in this, I have a 400D and some cheap lens's but am looking to go to the local football club and give it a try. I looking to get a new lens and was wondering whats the best to go for? Should i stay with canon or go Tamron or Sigma?

[Dave__C]

Im also interested in this, I have a 400D and some cheap lens's but am looking to go to the local football club and give it a try. I looking to get a new lens and was wondering whats the best to go for? Should i stay with canon or go Tamron or Sigma?

Read through the earlier posts on this thread. You'll find the 70-200 f2.8 is a great choice. I started off 400D and the 100-400 f4.5-5.6 and found that it just wasn't fast enough for night games under the lights. Even the f2.8 has a hard time, but it's a lot more useful.

The 100-400 also is still a bit long on the short end. 70 mm is just about right unless you are within 5 feet of the line.

[Wanchese]

I tried using a remote camera behind the goal. Used a 14mm f2.8 lens, but all I got was netting. Can anyone recommend a lens, aperature combination that works well for a behind the net remote set-up? Thanks.

[Dave__C]

I tried using a remote camera behind the goal. Used a 14mm f2.8 lens, but all I got was netting. Can anyone recommend a lens, aperature combination that works well for a behind the net remote set-up? Thanks.

At f2.8 and autofocus behind the net, you have a very high probability of focusing on the net. With short DOF, all you will see is net. If you have enough light, perhaps you can force a smaller apperture and manually focus out in front of the goal. then, anytime the action is in the range of focus, you should get a decent shot. If you position correctly, perhaps you can get the net out of focus.

You probably knew this already and want a specific recipe, though.

[Wanchese]

Dave,

I should have known that but didn't think of it so your comment is helpfull. A specific receipe would be nice too.

[Wanchese]

Dave,

I should have known that but didn't think of it so your comment is helpfull. A specific receipe would be nice too.

[Dave__C]

Dave,

I should have known that but didn't think of it so your comment is helpfull. A specific receipe would be nice too.


I would get into position, set the camera to Av mode and about f8. Set to manual focus. Focus at the distance in front of the goal at which you want to capture the action. Perhaps the top of the box? PK spot?

See if your resulting shutter speed is at least 1/500. If slower, you'll have trouble.

Click on the DOF preview button and see if the net is still a big distraction.

Try some shots with this setup and go from there.

As you increase f-stop, you'll need to move your focus point farther out in front of the net, but your DOF will correspondingly increase allowing you to capture more of the action. It will be hard to maintain a fast enough shutter speed, though.

Good luck.

[danaitch]

For me, I find soccer is an intensely frustrating sport to shoot having got used to (American) football for so long. I tend to use a fixed length telephoto and stay static in one position, approximately a quarter of the way along the sideline (halfway between the goalline and the halfway line). If I walk about too much I always finding myself wishing I was in the position I just vacated.

From my preferred position I can get a wide-enough view of penalty area and halfway line action (from goal kicks, etc.), but also shoot the real frame-filling action in line with my position.

Mind you, sometimes I DO move to halfway between the goalposts and the corner flag, behind the goal. This gives me good shots of players running directly at me with the ball.

I've tried using zoom lenses and find that unfortunately I always err on the side of caution and shoot too wide to get truly frame-filling action; I guess it's just down to practice and repetition, as with most sports photography.

A couple of images from the weekend as examples, and any feedback would be gratefully received.
:)

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y56/daninblack/CNJ-5.jpg


http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y56/daninblack/CNJ-2.jpg

[Dave__C]

Danaitch,

Are you sure that was soccer and not some dance/circus routine?

Those are great! I especially liked the second one. Surely that produced a foul.

What lens were you using?

[danaitch]

No foul! Soccer is a man's game at that level - it's only when you become a professional soccer player that you start to fall over in a dramatic way for no good reason.

I shoot with a 300mm f2.8, and a 70-200mm. That was with the 300. Like I said, I try to avoid the zoom until I have no choice because I ALWAYS shoot too wide (and it's really starting to annoy me). Staying rigidly with the fixed length does mean that I lose out on some stuff, but more often than not I get really crisp frame-filling action... and I need the practice!

Thanks for your comment! :)

[steelhead_killer]

I get on the baseline halfway between the goal and the corner. 70-200mm seems ok for all the action on my half of the field. You tell me.

[bildeb0rg]

Someone say footy was a mans game ??? Exif should be in there.

[Roy Webber]

Last weekend

[dontletitfoolyou]

all limbs and a ball.

[dcsmith40D]

Someone say footy was a mans game ??? Exif should be in there.

That gives a different meaning to a "man's game." That is a very impressive picture to me.

I am real new to the photo game. I am going tomorrow to try and photograph my nephew's lacrosse game. I don't even know how the game is played. I bought the 40D about 3 weeks ago with the kit 28-135 F3.5 - 5.6. Then I read a bunch and bought the 50 F1.8 for cheap. I have lusted after many lenses, especially the 70-200 F2.8 IS. I can't get there from here yet. But did spring for the 70-200 F4 IS. I plan to try the latter during full sunlight, middle of the day. I don't feel confidant as I tried still photos of the family in bright sun light over the weekend and they were embarrassing. My daughter looked like a ghost. From most of what I read I plan to try M for the first time.

I don't understand some of the functions of the camera. "Some" is an understatement. The * function is one of the functions I speak of. I played around with it and I couldn't tell it did anything. My impression from what I read here is that without an 18% gray card, I need to set the exposure with the palm of my hand in similar light as would be on the players? I didn't know anything about the 18% gray card until last night's reading. To set the exposure I'm just changing the AV and TV values with a given ISO to achieve the correct exposure on the view finder right?

I know the histogram is supposed to give me exposure information but I'm not sure how to adjust based on the information? Do I just adjust TV value and or ISO and try again or is there some way to adjust the exposure from the histogram view?

I told you I was new. I would greatly appreciate advise. Thanks in advance!

[bildeb0rg]

That gives a different meaning to a "man's game." That is a very impressive picture to me.

I told you I was new. I would greatly appreciate advise. Thanks in advance!

Thanks, but I can only shoot what happens on the pitch.

I think you may be over thinking things a bit. I would suggest putting it Av mode, set the aperture value to the fastest you have on your lens, and adjust your ISO to get the required shutter speed.

You need to keep handling the camera as simple as possible to begin with, until you understsnd the sport/event/subject yiou're shooting. Then you can start playing around with settings.

Good luck with the lacrosse, and don't forget to post some pics.

[dcsmith40D]

I was happy with using the manual setting. I wasn't able to blur the background. But I was surprised at how nice the exposure was in full sun light. I know I have a long ways to go but I feel encouraged. The lens in f4; should I be able to blur the background?

[bildeb0rg]

Blurred backgrounds are possible at f4, but only if your subject is close. Shooting the other side of the pitch will give you more depth of field, so you end up with distracting backgrounds. Second pic is nice, and if you reeeeally wanted to, you could clone out the signs on the back fence..

[Roy Webber]

I have tried soccer recently, and it is not as easy as some might think. My prefered position is on the touchline, between the corner flag and goal posts.

[Roy Webber]

Another one...

[Dave__C]

Another one...

Nice shots. I'd crop them tighter. Try eliminating the guy on the right in the first one. Second one is already pretty tight. Background hides the ball though.

[Roy Webber]

We have a BIG game this weekend, with our nearest rivals visiting...I will post some more next week.

[rovers_Andy]

Roy, are you in Gran Canaria/Las Palmas? ill be there with work next week. Love the shots btw you've really captured the action


Doh

sorry ive Just spotted you're in fuertaventura

[Fred Davenport]

Thanks for all the info so far, I really appreciate it. gmen, great article.

Well, it seems I'm doing what you suggest. I've been pretty much hanging around the backline of the opposing teams goal. My daughter's team, at least so far this year, have been doing well and the ball is rarely on their side of the field. I realize it'll take more practice to get better, but I appreciate the comments. It helps to confirm what I was doing is right. I just need to boost my keeper rate. In two games I took something like 300 shots and only had about 20 that I liked.

Here's a few. . . . .

These are great photos...Congrats

Would be very, very, very helpful to us if you could share with us the settings of your camera (& lens) when you took these photos.

Thx Much of you can share.

[rovers_Andy]

Hi fred,

maybe start in Av, AI Servo, Multishot, F2.8 If you can and then choose your iso depending on the lighting, I got upto 3200 on tuesday evening under floodlights (urgghhhhhhhhh)

hope this helps

[cwphoto]

What would be good focal length for soccer? I have 500mm f4 and 2 times I tried it on youth soccer, it was too long on 1.6x crop. I had to be quite far behind the goal.

Would 300mm f2.8 much better or would I need 1.4xTC most of the time?

Yeah for youth soccer (I assume a smaller field?) 500mm is a bit long. I change lenses depending on the field.

For mini (U5-U6) I use a 300/2.8 and a 70-200/2.8 combo (maybe sometimes swapping out the 70-200/2.8 for a fixed 200 as I don't like to shoot the zoom wide-open).

For Rooball (U7-U8 ) I favour a 400/2.8 with the same short lens combo as above.

For full-size fields at club level (U9 and up) I go to a 500/4 or 600/4 and either a 300/2.8 or a fixed 200. Mainly becuase I want to capture everyone so the long lens gets shots of the mid-field players, backs, and far goal-keepers. The problem with the long lens is that it's difficult to isolate the subject when they are at such distances.

For National level I will swap back to a 300/2.8 or 400/2.8 as the brief normally doesn't require getting shots of all the back play, and most of the intense action happens (IME) from mid-field to goal. For the second camera I'll normally have a 200 fixed or 70-200/2.8, and on a third I sometimes go for something wide to capture more of the atmosphere/full story around the goal area like this:

EOS-1Ds Mark II with EF 35mm f/1.4 L USM. 1/800s @ f/2, ISO 800:
http://www.dcresource.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=19510&stc=1&d=1169821503

EOS-1D Mark II N with EF 300mm f/2.8 L IS USM. 1/800s @ f/2.8, ISO 1,600:
http://www.dcresource.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=19522&stc=1&d=1169828124

I normally like to sit on the goal-line near the corner post.

[cwphoto]

Further to my above post, here's a sample of action caught at the far goal. Image is uncropped.

EOS-1D Mark III with EF 600mm f/4 L IS USM. 1/640s @ f/4, ISO 800:

[cwphoto]

Shots around the goal area with a short lens.

EOS-1D Mark III with EF 200mm f/2 L IS USM. 1/1,600s @ f/2, ISO 100:

[cwphoto]

Goal sequence from the corner post (tough light).

EOS-1D Mark III with EF 70-200mm f/2.8 L IS USM @ 75mm. 1/2,000s @ f/4, ISO 100:

[cwphoto]

Two more from the above sequence:

[royv]

Great set of images there cwphoto!

[dcsmith40D]

Great set of images there cwphoto!
I agree that they look great. I don't see the tough light based on 1/2000 sec at ISO 100 or was it 200? I call that good light.

[cwphoto]

I agree that they look great. I don't see the tough light based on 1/2000 sec at ISO 100 or was it 200? I call that good light.

Cheers, more the direction and non-uniformity of the light than the value.

[rovers_Andy]

Ok guys, ive posted these in few other threads but i want to post a few here to get your opinons. Still got a long way to go so C+C would be apreciated.

Thanks

[Souwalker]

How do we get the correct exposure for soccer?
I use M, F4-5 to keep shutter above 500 and I expose the white part of my daughters jersy (spot). Most of my shots are quite dark.
Thanks
Pat

[Roy Webber]

Roy, are you in Gran Canaria/Las Palmas? ill be there with work next week. Love the shots btw you've really captured the action


Doh

sorry ive Just spotted you're in fuertaventura
Hi Andy, thanks for the complement on my images...and yes, I am in Fuerteventura lol :-)

[rovers_Andy]

Haha no problem, its because i saw the La Caja canarias sponsers logo. I'll probably be out to Las Palmas this weekend as things stand

[cwphoto]

How do we get the correct exposure for soccer?
I use M, F4-5 to keep shutter above 500 and I expose the white part of my daughters jersy (spot). Most of my shots are quite dark.
Thanks
Pat

That's your error. Your camera's meter is calibrated for grey, whereas your pointing it at something with a higher reflectance value.

You can use the same technique, just ensure you expose two stops over based on pure white.

Or point the camera at something akin to grey - like the turf, and base your reading that way.

[rovers_Andy]

CW when shooting night games where there may be a difference of a few stops between the touchline and the centre of the pitch would you still attempt to shoot manual or use Av? Im going to give the Cf.n's you mentioned a go tomorrow evening

[cwphoto]

CW when shooting night games where there may be a difference of a few stops between the touchline and the centre of the pitch would you still attempt to shoot manual or use Av? Im going to give the Cf.n's you mentioned a go tomorrow evening

Still manual for me. I just drop the exposure down a couple of notches when the play enters darker patches to compensate.

[rovers_Andy]

Thanks CW i think it'll be worth experimenting whilst im not under pressure. could you have a quick look at the shots i posted on the last page and let me know what you think?

[cwphoto]

Ok guys, ive posted these in few other threads but i want to post a few here to get your opinons. Still got a long way to go so C+C would be apreciated.

Thanks

Technical aspects seem fine (exposure, WB, movement) - could probably do with a bit more contrast. Timing is good in the second - not sure about how it's framed though with the player on the right. First one would be nice to see the ball - but sometimes tough unless your timing is perfect - could be argued it's a bit too tight?

[rovers_Andy]

Thanks, they were straight off the card. Ive gone back to images and found 1 from the same set as 1 and given them a little boost of contrast. something like these?

[rovers_Andy]

or these

[cwphoto]

Yeah that's it, looking better from here. :)

[Souwalker]

That's your error. Your camera's meter is calibrated for grey, whereas your pointing it at something with a higher reflectance value.

You can use the same technique, just ensure you expose two stops over based on pure white.

Or point the camera at something akin to grey - like the turf, and base your reading that way.

Ah-ha!

I read in a post in this forum months ago that did metion about spot meter the white but I must have missed the compensation.

I use tis same method to photograph my daughters netball games (Kellyville) and now I know where I messed up.

Funny thing that morning of the netball game, I had an 18% grey cloth in my bag which I took out but put it back thinking spot metering the white bit on my daughters netball jersey (red/white) would do the trick.

Me learn something new today.

Thanks
Pat

[cwphoto]

Ah-ha!

I read in a post in this forum months ago that did metion about spot meter the white but I must have missed the compensation.

I use tis same method to photograph my daughters netball games (Kellyville) and now I know where I messed up.

Funny thing that morning of the netball game, I had an 18% grey cloth in my bag which I took out but put it back thinking spot metering the white bit on my daughters netball jersey (red/white) would do the trick.

Me learn something new today.

Thanks
Pat

You must live near by. I've done some netball over at Commercial Road - hard game to photograph.

[Souwalker]

You must live near by. I've done some netball over at Commercial Road - hard game to photograph.

That;s the field (Commercial Rd) I live in West Pennant Hills. Netball is really hard to photograph. Too fast :-)

[Souwalker]

That's your error. Your camera's meter is calibrated for grey, whereas your pointing it at something with a higher reflectance value.

You can use the same technique, just ensure you expose two stops over based on pure white.

Or point the camera at something akin to grey - like the turf, and base your reading that way.


If I spot read a 18% cloth for correct exposure, do I continue to use spot metering when I shoot or switch to evaluate?
Rgds
Pat

[cwphoto]

If I spot read a 18% cloth for correct exposure, do I continue to use spot metering when I shoot or switch to evaluate?
Rgds
Pat

In manual exposure it matters not.

[Souwalker]

In manual exposure it matters not.

Thanks
Pat

[PaulChokota]

Do any of you pro sports photographers use your selected focus point or do you do you let the camera pick the focus point?