GKPE: General Ramblings thread

[weka2000]

If my memory serves me correctly, I think Fritz has only got the one lens, the 24-105 F4 L

EDIT: I also figured I can' t take photos to save myself. :)

Its like anything in life some things come naturaly others you have to work at.

Ive been at my current Job for 4.5years and people are saying im getting a bit more diplomatic. My favorite saying is still "NO" :lol:

[dgcorner]

I had been playing around with photoshop, in hopes of improving my post processing.

what do you guys think of this ?



I have also change the picture on my front page. I am still working on this image but what you see is what I am trying to go for. The image itself is the background. I have just stopped it being titled and moved in the left hand corner. Just finding the right image seems to be hard.

it seems that everyone else has managed to get the camera out this weekend. and from what I can see some good results.

Mark, I find the image a little bright. I thought of having a play but you don't have "Image Editing Ok" up. I will have a play if you will allow me to;-)

[dgcorner]

Ive been at my current Job for 4.5years and people are saying im getting a bit more diplomatic. My favorite saying is still "NO" :lol:

:lol: :lol: :lol:

[dgcorner]

Just off the phone with Canon NZ re the battery grip I sent for "repairs."

They want me to return the original battery tray for disposal???, PLUS, send them my camera body for "adjustments" to address the the low battery "glitch":confused: :( Seems like they are sending me a new grip but want to make sure that the camera is in sync... :rolleyes: :evil:

Oh well, I might as well get it over and done with... after GKPE IV that is:D

[weka2000]

Just off the phone with Canon NZ re the battery grip I sent for "repairs."

They want me to return the original battery tray for disposal???, PLUS, send them my camera body for "adjustments" to address the the low battery "glitch":confused: :( Seems like they are sending me a new grip but want to make sure that the camera is in sync... :rolleyes: :evil:

Oh well, I might as well get it over and done with... after GKPE IV that is:D

Hell my cameras never get old enough as they are sold in the first year :lol: .
I wonder if a 1Dn 1.3 crop will solve all my light fall off issues. Mind you its the same price as my Sigmonster and I dont think Sandra will let me have both:rolleyes:

[CliveyBoy]

They want me to return the original battery tray for disposal???, PLUS, send them my camera body for "adjustments" to address the the low battery "glitch":confused: :( Seems like they are sending me a new grip but want to make sure that the camera is in sync

Sounds as though your Grip and the 20D were in the batches which were in "recalls" to fix known problems, widely and angrily publicised a year ago. Perhaps they are modifying the battery tray and using it as a reconditioned service part.

Hope their turn-around is much improved!

[theflyingkiwi]

Mark, I find the image a little bright. I thought of having a play but you don't have "Image Editing Ok" up. I will have a play if you will allow me to;-)

you can have a play if wish. the main reason why I didn't have that enabled. I had some people play with some of my pictures and they looked like crap.

Funny, I also posted that picture in Critique Corner and no great comments there either. However when I show it to non photograhers I get good comments.

[Wazza]

I've also got the 20D/Grip flexxing issue.

Grip is bought in USA, and 20D is beyond the 12 month warranty, although shutter is warranted for another 5 months ;)

I've tied some rope between the bottom of grip and top of camera. So far has worked well.

[dgcorner]

you can have a play if wish. the main reason why I didn't have that enabled. I had some people play with some of my pictures and they looked like crap.

Funny, I also posted that picture in Critique Corner and no great comments there either. However when I show it to non photograhers I get good comments.

Mark, I guess photographers are more critical compared to the lay-person when it comes to photos. I've got quite a few that my wife found very good but not good enough with photogs.

Here's the pic -- warmed up and saturated. Not sure if this was the effect you were after. Cheers!

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f236/dgcorner/GKPE/raglan2006.jpg

[dgcorner]

I've also got the 20D/Grip flexxing issue.

Grip is bought in USA, and 20D is beyond the 12 month warranty, although shutter is warranted for another 5 months ;)

I've tied some rope between the bottom of grip and top of camera. So far has worked well.

Warren, you might want to send it in -- the adjustments, from what I'm told are part of Canon's programme to set things right. Mind you, my grip didn't come with a warranty and they are fixing it. So far they haven't quoted me anything... I specifically asked them to let me know how much it would cost before they started working on it...


Sounds as though your Grip and the 20D were in the batches which were in "recalls" to fix known problems, widely and angrily publicised a year ago. Perhaps they are modifying the battery tray and using it as a reconditioned service part.

Hope their turn-around is much improved!

Clive, I understand that the problem was with those grips with serial numbers 100K and below. Mine is 135K+ and still the problem exists. I agree that this also has something to do with the settings/firmware on certain 20Ds

[joeseph]

I specifically asked them to let me know how much it would cost before they started working on it...
so did I when I got my sensor replaced - I phoned them to see how the quote was going and the guy said it had been repaired! :rolleyes:

[weka2000]

"Honey thats a great photo" then I rattle of 20 reasons why its no good :lol:

[dgcorner]

so did I when I got my sensor replaced - I phoned them to see how the quote was going and the guy said it had been repaired! :rolleyes:

Oh boy... :(

[theflyingkiwi]

"Honey thats a great photo" then I rattle of 20 reasons why its no good :lol:



But who says you know anything ;) :lol: :evil:

Thanks john for the try. At least you didn't blow out the blacks in trying to get some details :) I did have alook at them side by side and yours seem slightly better than mine. but then I am viewing it on a monitor that isn't calbrated. :(

[weka2000]

But who says you know anything ;) :lol: :evil:


Sounds like when me wife tells me I got no class to which I respond ...."Well I married you didnt I" :rolleyes:

[weka2000]

Why do weird things happen to me :rolleyes:

Started testing the 120-300 on the 5D

test 1 300mm from F2.8-F16 Autofocus No problems
test 2 300mm 1.4TC F4- F16 Autofocus No problems
test 3 300mm 2xTC F5.6-F16 Autofocus No problems

now this is where it gets interesting

test4 300mm 1.4 TC + 2.0 TC F4...... Autofocus No problems why am I getting autofocus with a 1.4 and 2x TC attached. The exif info is reading as if it has the 1.4 TC alone but here is the pictures

first one is NO TC second 2xTC

[weka2000]

Now here are the other 2

The first one is F4 with 1.4TC the second is F4 with the 1.4 TC and the 2xTC togather

Also seems to work with my Canon 70-200F4 :)

[dgcorner]

I didn't know you could combine TCs... Well, as my sig says... learning something new each day ;-)

So, where did you purchase your TCs from? Does a 2X get more use than a 1.4?

[weka2000]

Yes you can combine but autofocus should NOT work.
I borrowed wazzaz 1.4TC and Sigma 120-300.

How the hang does it work??? sure it hunts a bit but it dosnt make sence.

The kenko pro300 conects to the 5D the 1.4 TC to the lens. Go figure.

Oh spoke to canon tech today re light fall off, they find it odd that its happening on telephoto. The know sigma wide and canon has a light fall off issue.

[theflyingkiwi]

At what point does the 5D lose auto focus? I know that the 10D/20D and the 30D have issues where it loses autofocus at F8. From my understanding this is because it's not enought light hitting the autofocus sensor for it to work. And there ways to confuse the camera to think that it's not F8.

It was also my understanding that the 1series cameras are different, and because they are better in low light they can still retain autofocus at F8. So the question is where does the 5D fit in?

[weka2000]

F5.6 should be the max. So a F2.8 will take a 2xTC and retain autofocus and a F4 will take a 1.4 and retain autofocus

[theflyingkiwi]

I did find this comment on a web page "However, on the ID mark two and other Pro bodies, autofocus is retained to f8, but is retricted to the centre autofocus point only" The 5D is a pro camera and that is what may be happening here.

the full web link is here http://www.ophrysphotography.co.uk/pages/equipment.htm

[weka2000]

I did find this comment on a web page "However, on the ID mark two and other Pro bodies, autofocus is retained to f8, but is retricted to the centre autofocus point only" The 5D is a pro camera and that is what may be happening here.

the full web link is here http://www.ophrysphotography.co.uk/pages/equipment.htm
If that been the case why did the bigma not autofocus with the 1.4 TC =F8 or the Canon F4 with 2xTC?

Dam you Hamilton boys can yak :)

[CliveyBoy]

How do you keep yourselves informed on how our Canon DSLRs actually work? How do we co-operate with, and work around, the various issues?

Simple - subscribe to the quarterly UK magazine "EOS magazine" (http://www.eos-magazine.com).

It is a gold-mine of information relating precisely to the tools we own. Like the July-September 2006 issue which has several pages from p52 on "Extenders at f8".

"Extenders have a protruding front element that will not fit into the rear of many EF lenses." Table on p55.

"On most cameras. autofocus stops stops when the maximum effective aperture drops below f5.6." "There are some EOS models ... down to f8. Details next page.

Autofocus speed is reduced.

A very useful section on AF sensor structure and functioning leads to "some later models allow autofocusing with a maximum aperture of f8, though only with the centre focusing point." A cross-type.

All DSLRs except EOS 1 series lack the central point vertical line sensor to operate... f8.

Autofocus Availability - a table with lenses, extenders and f5.6/f8 lenses.

There is a panel on "Cheating the system". "Possible to get autofocus to work when using an extender, lens and camera combination that will not normally autofocus." This involves disabling the coding that tells the camera which extenders are attached.

Of course, if one buys non-Canon, then... stop complaining. :lol:

[FlyingPete]

Now here are the other 2

The first one is F4 with 1.4TC the second is F4 with the 1.4 TC and the 2xTC togather

Also seems to work with my Canon 70-200F4 :)

So what you are really saying here is you shop at Pak'n'Save ;)

[weka2000]

Pete my wife does :) No what Im am saying is it should happen!

Test shoot out between Sigma 120-300 and Sigma 50-500 here
http://upload.pbase.com/edit_gallery/weka2000/2006 (http://www.pbase.com/weka2000/2006)

I might have a lens for sale :(

[theflyingkiwi]

How do you keep yourselves informed on how our Canon DSLRs actually work? How do we co-operate with, and work around, the various issues?

I work with tech the same way regardless of what it is. I come up with my own way that everything should work then hate it when I don't understand what it's doing and then if that doesn't work swear at it so it understand where I come from and that it's the one that needs to change. :) :lol:

however that hasn't worked yet, bugger


All DSLRs except EOS 1 series lack the central point vertical line sensor to operate... f8.

Autofocus Availability - a table with lenses, extenders and f5.6/f8 lenses.

My quote was easer to understand ;) and I said it first :p

[NordieBoy]

What brand are the Tele Converters?

[theflyingkiwi]

Pete my wife does :) No what Im am saying is it should happen!

Test shoot out between Sigma 120-300 and Sigma 50-500 here
http://upload.pbase.com/edit_gallery/weka2000/2006 (http://www.pbase.com/weka2000/2006)

I might have a lens for sale :(

Are you sure you don't wont to test the one I got. it's cheaper

[weka2000]

What brand are the Tele Converters?

2xTC is a kenko pro 300
1.4xTC is a sigma

I wonder what would happen if I changed the order in which way they went on?

Cheaper, hell I want the best or another body for the bigma as it looked better on a cropped camera. The 5D shows me why the 120-300 is twice the price as the bigma.

[theflyingkiwi]

interesting enough I don't think I have seen anything to compare the sigma 100-300 F4 and the 120-300 F2.8, and I don't think that I have seen a comparison to the canon 100-400 and the 100-300 either.

perhaps we should all get together and test?

[weka2000]

interesting enough I don't think I have seen anything to compare the sigma 100-300 F4 and the 120-300 F2.8, and I don't think that I have seen a comparison to the canon 100-400 and the 100-300 either.

perhaps we should all get together and test?

Send it to me then :lol:
Duncan can you spare your 100-400 for a couple of days?

[theflyingkiwi]

cough cough I can feel a cold coming on, a trip to auckland might fix it :)

I did find this out on the interweb thing

"If there's any consolation, let me point to theses numbers from the Photozone site that we discussed on the other 120-300 f/2.8 thread:
http://www.photozone.de/8Reviews/lenses/sigma_100300_4/index.htm
http://www.photozone.de/8Reviews/lenses/canon_100400_4556_is/index.htm

@ 300mm w/1.4 Center f/5.6: 1655,5 f/8: 1750 f/11: 1631,5
EF 100-400L IS Center f/5.6: 1488 f/8: 1549 f/11: 1508
@ 300mm w/1.4 Border f/5.6: 1507 f/8: 1587 f/11: 1510
EF 100-400L IS Border f/5.6: 1489 f/8: 1539 f/11: 1512
-> In another word the Sigma 100-300 f/4 is sharper @ 420mm with the 1.4x than my Canon's 100-400L IS USM !!! :idea:
BTW check out the weight and size (extended) of the above two lenses again, they are actually quite similar... ;)

... and you guys can also brag about the CA on the Sigma too which appears to be superior as well! :lol: :-) :G"

found at http://www.stevesforums.com/forums/view_topic.php?id=95690&forum_id=65

but I don't know how much it can be trusted :) I do feel better tho between what I got and what Duncan using. :)

[weka2000]

Now dont forget most sigma lenss are tested on croped cameras so they will always look better than what they really are. Canon L lens such as the 100-400 will be just as good on FF as a crop :p

Hell that weka has got to be the biggest gas bag in this group :;

[theflyingkiwi]

Hell that weka has got to be the biggest gas bag in this group :;

Yep

[CliveyBoy]

My quote was easer to understand ;) and I said it first :p

Only because mine took longer to type!

[::John::]

Tony

We ran some tests with my 100-400 f/4.5-5.6 Canon lens this past weekend on my 5D and PaulGolf5's 20D

Pauls Canon 2x teleconverter
My Sigma 2x and 1.4x teleconverters

We lost autofocus at 400mm as soon as we put the 1.4x on

So we mucked around after that - manual focussing and stacking teleconverters.

It was interesting to have the lens at 400mm with the two 2x AND the 1.4x on but you really need a good tripod, no air movement, high ISO and a steady focus hand to get anything - and mirror lockup and the remote to actually try to get a decent pic - we failed on that one :)

[joeseph]

Send it to me then :lol:
Duncan can you spare your 100-400 for a couple of days?
Sure, but we might both end up with lenses for sale... ;)
Will give you a call tomorrow.

[weka2000]

Sure, but we might both end up with lenses for sale... ;)
Will give you a call tomorrow.

What my bigma and the Sigma 100-300....motto you get what you pay for.

[FlyingPete]

Pete my wife does :) No what Im am saying is it should happen!



If is says anything it was my wife who spotted it :lol:

[Sweedishcarrot01]

[QUOTE=dgcorner]Aaron, not bad! The texture and patterns give it some character. I do find the grass slightly disturbing though... The tree bark (without the grass) would have probably made a stronger impact... Abstract, yet discernible.



Yeah, I think your right, thanks for your comment.

[weka2000]

Tony

We ran some tests with my 100-400 f/4.5-5.6 Canon lens this past weekend on my 5D and PaulGolf5's 20D

Pauls Canon 2x teleconverter
My Sigma 2x and 1.4x teleconverters

We lost autofocus at 400mm as soon as we put the 1.4x on

So we mucked around after that - manual focussing and stacking teleconverters.

It was interesting to have the lens at 400mm with the two 2x AND the 1.4x on but you really need a good tripod, no air movement, high ISO and a steady focus hand to get anything - and mirror lockup and the remote to actually try to get a decent pic - we failed on that one :)

The autofocus should not be working with both T's on but it does. It hunts like crazy but when it locks that is it. Icannot explain it and it does it with 2 different lens. It seems to be buy passing the 2xtc and its almost like it dosnt exist. The exif info is the same for both shots but the photo shows its bigger than the others.

[scotttnz]

John.....go on, you know you want it....

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Electronics-photography/Camera-accessories/Lenses/Canon/auction-64270709.htm

[::John::]

The autofocus should not be working with both T's on but it does. It hunts like crazy but when it locks that is it. Icannot explain it and it does it with 2 different lens.

I think, in your case, the Kenko is making the difference. Posts I have read on this forum have mentioned that the Kenko 'pretends' it isn't there and the autofocus still works - it's like blocking the 3 pins out on other teleconverters.

In my case, I was starting with a f/5.6 lens - the first teleconverter (the 1.4) already took me past the auto-focus limits so, at that point, we decided to just muck around.

The hunting is 'normal' (read not unexpected). User CDS has posted how he used the 'mask 3 pin trick' on a 100-400 lens and, because of the hunting, burnt out the AF motor in the lens - so be careful.

Do a search in here for TC's and the masking of 3 pins on 100-400 lenses - it was a fairly recent post.

Oh, and good luck - I will be looking out for a Kenko TC - there is a dealer in Canberra who stocks them - I may have to give him a call.

[Sweedishcarrot01]

I was am going to go aganst the flow here here and say it doesn't look that interesting. I find the grass to be distracting and the picture a bit flat lighting wise.

As for the random part, that's apart of being abstract.

So Tony now that you have all these lens to test are you going to write up a web page with pictures?

Yeah, it was taken between showers, so that'll explain the lighting. Hmm, no-one seems to like the grass.

Thanks for your comments.

[weka2000]

Yes I dont want to stuff any lens. It will be fine on the bigma due to manual focus only...cool new focal length of 1400mm. Now longer than Canons 1200mm F5.6 :lol:

The f stop will be about F16 perfect for landscape and minimal light fall off. PP just use the USM a bit more.

[Sweedishcarrot01]

Yes I will put them on my Pbase web site.

NZfritz what is the longest focal length you have? Do you get light fall off with any of your lens?

nzi I speaks truth concerning the matter. Alas, a lone 24-105 is all that I behold. (for my Canon anyways)

I get light fall off when the lens is wide open... I posted an email that Canon sent me on this subject a while back. I can forward you a copy if you wish. Seems as though it's a 'given' with zoom lenses.

peace and love

[weka2000]

nzi I speaks truth concerning the matter. Alas, a lone 24-105 is all that I behold. (for my Canon anyways)

I get light fall off when the lens is wide open... I posted an email that Canon sent me on this subject a while back. I can forward you a copy if you wish. Seems as though it's a 'given' with zoom lenses.

peace and love

I had a word to them today. They thought it odd that I only get it on telephoto. I have never seen it anything under 200mm. Its always on the long end of a tele.

Didnt canon have issues with that lens when it was first realised?

Oh I only talk a lot when I have no photos to process :)

[::John::]

Yes I dont want to stuff any lens. It will be fine on the bigma due to manual focus only...cool new focal length of 1400mm. Now longer than Canons 1200mm F5.6 :lol:

The f stop will be about F16 perfect for landscape and minimal light fall off. PP just use the USM a bit more.

I was wrong - it was RFMsports who had the AF motor burnout:

http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=188196&highlight=tape+the+3+pins

and there is a good bit of info on the Kenko teleconverters in this thread:

http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=161119&highlight=tape+the+3+pins

[Sweedishcarrot01]

I had a word to them today. They thought it odd that I only get it on telephoto. I have never seen it anything under 200mm. Its always on the long end of a tele.

Didnt canon have issues with that lens when it was first realised?

Oh I only talk a lot when I have no photos to process :)

Not that I heard of, but then I am not really 'in the loop'.

Want the email they sent me home-boy?

p.s damn my wifes a hotty!

[theflyingkiwi]

What my bigma and the Sigma 100-300....motto you get what you pay for.

gee I didn't know that 2k on a lens ment it was crap. after all you are comparing a lens that goes from 50mm - 500mm with a lens that goes from 100-300. lad you need a re-adjustment :evil: ;)

[weka2000]

p.s damn my wifes a hotty!
At least mines real :p

email is my username at linuxmail dot org

[theflyingkiwi]

The autofocus should not be working with both T's on but it does. It hunts like crazy but when it locks that is it.

Just thought I would let ya know something, when I got my sigma 1.4x, I tested with the 100macro and on the 10D the thing hunts big time. Even on a subject with good contrasts. I don't have a canon 1.4x do I don't know if that will also do it.

But the whole thing sounds like a comm issue. I think we should change the baud rate to 9600 and then everything should be fine.

[Sweedishcarrot01]

At least mines real :p

email is my username at linuxmail dot org

Mine is real, actually, that 'mine' bit doesn't really work huh... she wishes though... :)

[weka2000]

Mine is real, actually, that 'mine' bit doesn't really work huh... she wishes though... :)

So when are you going to post the real wife?

[NordieBoy]

Seen the Kenko 3x TC on TradeMe?

Cool magnification but looses 35 stops of light :lol:

[Sweedishcarrot01]

So when are you going to post the real wife?

After I meet the lucky girl.

[forsaken]

Pete my wife does :) No what Im am saying is it should happen!

Test shoot out between Sigma 120-300 and Sigma 50-500 here
http://upload.pbase.com/edit_gallery/weka2000/2006 (http://www.pbase.com/weka2000/2006)

I might have a lens for sale :(

so the 120 - 300 is better on the 5d than the bigma?



some great shots in your gallery to Tony, you have come along way. Just proof that practice works

[weka2000]

so the 120 - 300 is better on the 5d than the bigma?

some great shots in your gallery to Tony, you have come along way. Just proof that practice works

Way SHARPER. In fact Im going out of the goodness of my heart swap with wazza so he gets an extra 200mm, I will keep his 120-300 and he can have the bigma :rolleyes:

Thanks for the complament. Yes they are getting better, about time.

I still maintain that the bigma is perfect for 1.6 cameras.

[Wazza]

Man, I so want your Bigma. Those results are astonishing... ;)

As for AF, as mentioned already, F5.6 on a 1.6x crop, and F8 on a 1 series, 1DS or 1D body. But never knew about a 5D.

[weka2000]

Man, I so want your Bigma. Those results are astonishing... ;)

As for AF, as mentioned already, F5.6 on a 1.6x crop, and F8 on a 1 series, 1DS or 1D body. But never knew about a 5D.

I found the answer to the 2 TC and autofocus. Has to do with the pins on the kenko. Wont be doing it any more as the excessive hunting can burn out the lens motor :cry:

Would I buy a 120-300??? Well in short no. I think its a sports lens as much as the 1Dn is a sports camera in my mind.


PS 5D autofocus F5.6 not F8
My 70-200 is just as sharp as the sigma. The Sigmonster is the lens I want. Its sharper than the bigma and has a longer focal length. I have found the weight of the Sigma 120-300 a good exercise in how heavey lens can get.

[Wazza]

You trying to literally smoke my AF motor? :lol:

[dgcorner]

John.....go on, you know you want it....

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Electronics-photography/Camera-accessories/Lenses/Canon/auction-64270709.htm

Damn... where the heck is my rebate check from IRD??? That is such a good deal... and it will even allow me to purchase a couple of telecons or a flash! Damn... !@#$%$:(

[weka2000]

You trying to literally smoke my AF motor? :lol:

Hey it will come back in the same condition as you gave it to me in. Besides a bit of light fall off at the 300mm end its great on a 5D.

[Wazza]

So the 10-20 is well sort out after?

Maybe I should list mine for several thousand $$..

I was going to sell mine, and just use my 17-40L, for when I upgrade to a 1DIII. However I heard the 10-20 works great on a 1.3 crop body, and works down to 11-13mm

[Moppie]

Iv been dreaming, hopeing to make it a reality in October.
Priced from the Auckland Camera website:
30D body only
Sigma 17-70
Sigma 70-300 macro (its cheap, but it'll do).
Sigma 500 flash
Total: $3663

Im sure they can negotiate on that, Ill add some UV filters as well of course, if they take enough off a 1gb card, otherwise Ill get one on trademe.
Then all I need is a good tripod.
All in all the goal is spending no more than $4,000 and having a good set up by x-mass :)
So far Im over halfway there, I could go and buy a body tomorrow, but I wouldn't have anything to put on it :p

[Wazza]

You just need the pulling power of one of the regular customers.. ;)

I had a 20D for a few days before my 50mm 1.8 arrived from Photo.co.nz and then another few days before I bought 17-40L, Sigma 70-300 from Auckland Camera.

[theflyingkiwi]

You know, you could buy the camera now and ask Tony nicely if you can use the bigma untill you can afford your own. He seems to be changing lens left right and center :) I am sure he's got a few just lying around. :)

[Moppie]

LOL, thats one mighty versitle walk around lens.
Although a little on the heavy side ;)

[Moppie]

You just need the pulling power of one of the regular customers.. ;)



If they stocked the 30D and sigma glass I would be very happy :)
But they don't :(



EDIT, had a look at pricespy, and found these guys: http://www.pharmacyexpress.co.nz/Default.aspx
Very cheap, but not so cheap its unreasonable, and too good to be true.

[weka2000]

So far Im over halfway there, I could go and buy a body tomorrow, but I wouldn't have anything to put on it :p

If you did buy tommorow you could use my Sigma 24-70 as its collecting dust
and I may sell it soon. So you can use it untill you get your own. Yes the bigma there as well. I got it because it was so versitle.
Its not that heavy.


Hey come on I have only brought 4 lens in the last 3 months, what do you guys think I am made of money :)

[Moppie]

If you did buy tommorow you could use my Sigma 24-70 as its collecting dust
and I may sell it soon. Yes the bigma there as well. I got it because it was so versitle.



Now that is far to tempting, if a 24-70 2.8 came my way at the right price I would have a very hard time saying no :)
The only thing stopping me buy a body tomorrow, is I have to get something to propose to Amanda with first.

[joeseph]

EDIT, had a look at pricespy, and found these guys: http://www.pharmacyexpress.co.nz/Default.aspx
Very cheap, but not so cheap its unreasonable, and too good to be true.

Thats where I got mine... (ok, so it had software lockup problems, then got replaced by canon)
upshot is I'd buy from there again.

[Wazza]

Still holding for a 1DIII for around $7000, or a 2nd hand 1DMkIIN for $5000 or less.

[dgcorner]

Now that is far to tempting, if a 24-70 2.8 came my way at the right price I would have a very hard time saying no :)
The only thing stopping me buy a body tomorrow, is I have to get something to propose to Amanda with first.

Moppie -- if you do decide to get the body first you can borrow the 50mm f/1.8 till you get your lenses -- it is collecting dust as the 24-70 or the 28-105 is on the camera most times.

[theflyingkiwi]

Still holding for a 1DIII for around $7000, or a 2nd hand 1DMkIIN for $5000 or less.

How can you figure out what the price is going to be on this camera since canon hasn't even released any info yet?

[Moppie]

I think he's hoping that Canon execs will read the forum, and be influenced :)
If he's lucky they will release it for 7,000yen :D

[Wazza]

How can you figure out what the price is going to be on this camera since canon hasn't even released any info yet?

With each new body, prices keep reducing at RRP.

20D came out at $3399 or so, and quickly reduced to $3000 or less
the 30D has come out at $2500 just about everywhere, pretty much the same price as the 20D was selling when it became obsolete.

The 1DS originally was around $17,000
The Mk II came out at about $14,000 and is now at around $11-12,000

The 1D 4 megapixel, was first very expensive
The 1DII came out at around $9000 before slowly reducing to around $6999 and $6800 at Auckland Camera.. The 1DIIN, updated version came out at exactly the same price...

So logically, the next camera shouldn't be anymore expensive. ;)

[NordieBoy]

Mates 10D stung him $4500 on the never never.
A month later the 300D came out :rolleyes:

[tag141]

EDIT, had a look at pricespy, and found these guys: http://www.pharmacyexpress.co.nz/Default.aspx
Very cheap, but not so cheap its unreasonable, and too good to be true.

I used them to buy my 10D (and yes the 20D came out two weeks later at the price the 10D was) and they are very good and very efficient. Wendy is very pleasant and even promised to price match for me as the camera was cheaper at P&V. Only trouble being Canon NZ don't have stock :( so it doesn't look like I'll be getting the camera before my trip. I suppose the overheads in Gore must mean they are able to sell cheaper.

[weka2000]

Now that is far to tempting, if a 24-70 2.8 came my way at the right price I would have a very hard time saying no :)
The only thing stopping me buy a body tomorrow, is I have to get something to propose to Amanda with first.

Hell arnt you giving her your heart and soul :lol:
What more does a woman need.

[theflyingkiwi]

Mates 10D stung him $4500 on the never never.
A month later the 300D came out :rolleyes:


that's how much mine cost. but I got it from auckland camera and saved 1k on rrp, which enabled me to get the 28-135 lens. still got it but would like something to replace it with.

Tony you said the Sigma 24-70 is collecting dust, is that the F2.8 verson?

So logically, the next camera shouldn't be anymore expensive.

well I would hope that the next series that comes out is at least 5k for the sport model :) I don't think canon will combine both the 1ds and the 1d just yet. but I have been known to be wrong.

[weka2000]

Yep Sigma 24-70 F2.8 EX, a dam fine lens. As sharp as the canon verson.
I use my 17-40 more and for portrait the 50mm and 85mm primes and sometimes the 70-200.

[weka2000]

Moppie take up the offer. I wont sell untill you get something or make me an offer. Its still under warrenty. I brought it in Jan2006 from AC new.

[TKRFAN]

Hi Everyone

I just posted a few shots taken at Manfeild on Saturday with the new lens here:

http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?p=1764902#post1764902

Just wish I had checked the camera settings properly before I started - but I will for sure next time!!

[dgcorner]

I will ask the question again (since no one probably saw it): What teleconverter do you use and what magnification(?) 1.4X or 2X?

[weka2000]

Ok Ive tested 4 lens @ 200mm center 100%. F5.6 F8 F16
photo up below

The Sigma 120-300 is the sharpest closely followed by Canon 70-200 then Canon 100-400 and bigma comes in last
I think the Sigma 100-300 would be on par with the Canon 100-400.

While not scientific it was an interesting exercise. Thanks for the loan guys.

http://www.pbase.com/weka2000/2006

John I use a 2xTC kenko Pro300

[Sweedishcarrot01]

I will ask the question again (since no one probably saw it): What teleconverter do you use and what magnification(?) 1.4X or 2X?

I don't use a teleconverter but am posting anyway to up my post-count. :)

[forsaken]

Ok Ive tested 4 lens @ 200mm center 100%. F5.6 F8 F16
photo up below

The Sigma 120-300 is the sharpest closely followed by Canon 70-200 then Canon 100-400 and bigma comes in last
I think the Sigma 100-300 would be on par with the Canon 100-400.

While not scientific it was an interesting exercise. Thanks for the loan guys.

http://www.pbase.com/weka2000/2006

John I use a 2xTC kenko Pro300

I think the interesting thing is the colour differences between the lenses

[dgcorner]

. . . John I use a 2xTC kenko Pro300

Thanks Tony! Who did you get it from and how much?

. I don't use a teleconverter but am posting anyway to up my post-count. :smile:

Aaron, how do you think I got up to where I am in such a short time:lol:


Moppie: Have a look at http://www.photodigital.co.nz/ -- seems like their lens prices are really low and have an international warranty. From what I understand they parallel import the items... which shouldn't be a problem with an international warranty card... and the consumer's guarantee act (well, theoretically at least)

[NordieBoy]

I've got a teleconverter but don't use it as I havn't got an f2.8 tele zoom yet.

...and to help the post count but not as much as Fritzy.

[Sweedishcarrot01]

I've got a teleconverter but don't use it as I havn't got an f2.8 tele zoom yet.

...and to help the post count but not as much as Fritzy.

I have a tank of petrol but can't use it, cause I have no car.

I have a mouse, but can't use it cause I have not computer. Mwaaah hahahahaha.

Sorry... the post count thing again.

[scotttnz]

I have a 1.4TC

Does that make my post count 1024.8?

[theflyingkiwi]

I will ask the question again (since no one probably saw it): What teleconverter do you use and what magnification(?) 1.4X or 2X?

only got the one, sigma 1.4x to use with my 100-300.

[theflyingkiwi]

I have a 1.4TC

Does that make my post count 1024.8?

You will have to talk to Pekka about that one :) but I think you are pushing sh*t up hill on that one :lol:

[Sweedishcarrot01]

NZI - are you married, or free to roam where ever and when ever you desire?

[theflyingkiwi]

I think the Sigma 100-300 would be on par with the Canon 100-400.

I would like to disprove that (more than likey proven wrong again :) ) it's like the builders saying about the titanic, yea it wont sink, but we haven't tested but we right anyway.

but in all seriousness I would like to see differences between the sigma 120-300, the canon 100-400 and what I have got. It would be interesting just to see.

perhaps we would be the first group of people to provide a visual test between the 3.

just looking on FM reviews, it's interesting to see the score of each lens.

sigma 120-300 gets 9.3 out of 49 reviews
sigma 100-300 gets 9.5 out of 47 reviews
canon 100-400 gets 9.0 out of 110 reviews

I see the sigma 300-800 gets a 10 out of 8 reviews.

[theflyingkiwi]

NZI - are you married, or free to roam where ever and when ever you desire?

I am free to a good home, know of any ?

I am single and old (got the gray hairs to prove it)

and btw is't NZL and Mark will be fine.

[Wazza]

You don't come with insurance products hanging off your arms?

100-300 is definately a fine lens.. It's in a high price range for a non IS, F4 lens.. So the quality has to be great, which it is.

The 120-300 has a few negative points from the weight of the lens.. And the older non DG version not having the TS-41 tripod collar

[Sweedishcarrot01]

I am free to a good home, know of any ?

I am single and old (got the gray hairs to prove it)

and btw is't NZL and Mark will be fine.

Well Mark, that's good to know. We should be able to plan a trip to Rags together with ease. Hopefully in the next couple of weeks huh.

[theflyingkiwi]

Well Mark, that's good to know. We should be able to plan a trip to Rags together with ease. Hopefully in the next couple of weeks huh.

that should be fine. are you going up to akl for the GKPE get together?

[Sweedishcarrot01]

that should be fine. are you going up to akl for the GKPE get together?

I doubt it very much, my outings are usually much more spontaneous. When I plan ahead something always comes up. Yourself Mark?

[theflyingkiwi]

sometimes I just grab the camera and then head off somewhere, sometimes I plan it. my last trip was just spontaneous.

it depends on what I am shooting I guess.

[joeseph]

John,
I had a Kenko MC4 2x TC that I bought in Singapore a couple of years ago. I say had 'cos the quality isn't really useable so it sat unloved and unused. I have since removed the lens from it and now it gets occasional use as a 20mm extension tube that allows auto-focus.

[weka2000]

John I got mine off trademe about a 1yr ago for $250 ish

[dgcorner]

Thanks guys! From what I've read/gathered the new Kenko Pro300 DG(?) has almost identical optics to Canon's. Almost but not at par. But, pricing is way out of whack... which I guess is typical. I'm looking also at the Sigma EX line but will have to do more research... then ask Mattoron the hard questions... that is when I get my rebate cheque!

[weka2000]

that is when I get my rebate cheque!

Hell I will get my sigmonster before you get your cheque at this rate :lol:

Duncans my whitness to my wife saying "I never say no to you"

I was looking into leasing options for 1D's the otherday with flexirent interesting concept.

[Moppie]

I was looking into leasing options for 1D's the otherday with flexirent interesting concept.

And a really good way to pay twice the cost of the 1D.
I looked at it to get a 20D last year, the numbers just don't add up to anything thats even remotly reasonable IMO.

[weka2000]

And a really good way to pay twice the cost of the 1D.
I looked at it to get a 20D last year, the numbers just don't add up to anything thats even remotly reasonable IMO.

You also have to be a business. I guess they can right a lot of it off in tax.

So Moppie when you picking up the 30D and my Sigma 24-70 :)

[Moppie]

So Moppie when you picking up the 30D and my Sigma 24-70 :)


LOL!
Actualy as tempting as a 24-70 is, I don't know if it will be wide enough, altough constant f2.8 would be nice, I think the 38mm equivilant on a 30D would annoy me to much. I have 35mm equivilant with my A80, and Im always wishing it was just a little bit wider.
With a 17-70 I get 27.2-100 and something, which is much closer to what I need. Although I will have to live with F4.5 at the long end, and only get F2.8 at the short end.
Its also lighter, and there is a limit to how much weight a Hobbit with a bad neck can carry :)

[weka2000]

LOL!
Actualy as tempting as a 24-70 is, I don't know if it will be wide enough, altough constant f2.8 would be nice, I think the 38mm equivilant on a 30D would annoy me to much. I have 35mm equivilant with my A80, and Im always wishing it was just a little bit wider.
With a 17-70 I get 27.2-100 and something, which is much closer to what I need. Although I will have to live with F4.5 at the long end, and only get F2.8 at the short end.
Its also lighter, and there is a limit to how much weight a Hobbit with a bad neck can carry :)

I would offer my 17-40 but you would then take up the offer and I would have to buy a 16-35 F2.8 :lol:

[scotttnz]

With a 17-70 I get 27.2-100 and something, which is much closer to what I need. Although I will have to live with F4.5 at the long end, and only get F2.8 at the short end.

That 17-70 looks like a great lens for a little over $500, I might end up with one myself. I can't help thinking though that I would always be wishing I got the Canon 17-55 f2.8, or 17-40L.

[Moppie]

Since you've got the 24-70 and the 10-20 your pretty well covered in that range though.
Unless you were looking for something a little more compact as a walk around lens.

[weka2000]

Man you guys are so lucky my camera dosnt take EF-S lens :o

[scotttnz]

Since you've got the 24-70 and the 10-20 your pretty well covered in that range though.
Unless you were looking for something a little more compact as a walk around lens.

I don't have a 24-70 (I think that would not be wide enough) just the kit lens in this range, which I am keen to replace when I can afford it.

[Moppie]

Ahhh, I don't know why I thought you had a 24-70 and 70-200 as well.

[weka2000]

Ahhh, I don't know why I thought you had a 24-70 and 70-200 as well.

Its a vision of things to come :lol:

[weka2000]

Duncan I think your 100-400 is broken I am having trouble getting it to cause light fall off at 400mm ;)
Its easy on the Sigma's

[Wazza]

100-400L was made back in 1998/1999.. Has 1st version of Image Stabilisation.. Newer lens has version two..

Most the Sigma lens, including 120-300 and 300-800 were released same time, around November 2003 I think it was... Aimed at the 1.3/1.6x crop, and nikon 1.5 and 2.0x crop..

[scotttnz]

It's simple economics for a third party lens maker like Sigma. Probably 95% of their market use 1.5, 1.6 or greater crop cameras, so what are they going to optimise most lenses for?

A very small % of lens buyers have full frame cameras and they are much less likely to be the budget consious people that will consider a third party lens.

The main thing that would put me off buying a full frame camera is not so much the cost of the camera, but the cost of new lenses to do it justice.

[weka2000]

Never believe your LCD :( So no matter what tele Im going to get it. I did think og the 1DMk2N buts thats $8500 and what do I get that I need.

Time to buy a 1.6 crop. Keep the bigma on it permantly and save $6.5K

Canon 100-400 F8

[weka2000]

Wazza/Weka

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Electronics-photography/Digital-cameras/Over-6-megapixel/auction-64349061.htm

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Electronics-photography/Digital-cameras/Over-6-megapixel/auction-64114776.htm

Shame about the lens :(

[joeseph]

Never believe your LCD :( So no matter what tele Im going to get it. I did think og the 1DMk2N buts thats $8500 and what do I get that I need.

Time to buy a 1.6 crop. Keep the bigma on it permantly and save $6.5K

Canon 100-400 F8

looks like your sensor is cleaner than mine, except for the smudge in the middle...

[weka2000]

looks like your sensor is cleaner than mine, except for the smudge in the middle...

I have to clean reguarly due to the sensor size and the amount of dust it collects.

The 100-400 is a nice lens....once I worked out how to work it :lol:

[tag141]

1DMk2N buts thats $8500

I don't know who quoted you $8500 but I've seen them as 'cheap' as $6500 from reputable dealers. ProGear has them for $6600 but Canon NZ STILL >:( doesn't have them in stock. If I don't buy one soon the missus will try and spend the money on yet another holiday!!!

[iKirst]

Howdy folks
It's been a while ;)

I've been off getting a new job and stuff, so I haven't had a chance to say hi..

If anyone needs any form of commercial vinyl, flooring accessories, adhesives, polyurathenes, epoxies, resin floorings, roofing membranes, building waterproofing, spray cladding, ice and snow guards and wot-not, I'm a one stop shop! (although, I know crap all about what I'm selling at the moment :o )

Hows the camera folks of NZ going? I haven't had much chance to pick up a camera in ages, last attempt was D1NZ round 2... that was forever and a day ago. My pics turned out ok, sold one I think.

Anyhoo, be cool to each other :D

[joeseph]

Howdy folks
It's been a while ;)

it has that, welcome back!

[weka2000]

iKirst good to see you again. How are you?

[dgcorner]

Howdy folks
It's been a while ;)

You're alive!!! Missed you much... In fact we were beginning to think that Warren was keeping you all to himself;) Are you joining us for GKPE IV?

[scotttnz]

Wazza/Weka

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Electronics-photography/Digital-cameras/Over-6-megapixel/auction-64349061.htm

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Electronics-photography/Digital-cameras/Over-6-megapixel/auction-64114776.htm

Shame about the lens :(

I've seen that second one in the shop. Looked like it was in good nick.

Liza is easy on the eye too.....

[weka2000]

Liza is easy on the eye too.....

LOL. How to sell a camera......... This is the N version I gather

[scotttnz]

This is the N version I gather

Don't think so.

[weka2000]

Don't think so.

Well its a MK2 and 8.2Mps so Im confused.

What have I learnt today..... No matter what tele I get for my 5D light fall off will be there. Ah shes a hard road finding the perfect camera :)

Might have a new lady lined up for some portrait work :lol:

[NordieBoy]

My pics turned out ok, sold one I think.
I would put you on my list of people I hate (LOPIH) but I just looked at your avatar pic again and forgave you ;)

[scotttnz]

Well its a MK2 and 8.2Mps so Im confused.

My understanding is:

1D = 4Mp 1.3 crop
1Ds = 11Mp FF
1D Mk2 = 8.2Mp 1.3 crop
1D Mk2N = 8.2Mp 1.3 crop + bigger screen & a few other bits and bobs
1Ds Mk2 = 16.8Mp FF

[weka2000]

My understanding is:

1D = 4Mp 1.3 crop
1Ds = 11Mp FF
1D Mk2 = 8.2Mp 1.3 crop
1D Mk2N = 8.2Mp 1.3 crop + bigger screen & a few other bits and bobs
1Ds Mk2 = 16.8Mp FF

Dam Scott you know you 1D's :lol:

[scotttnz]

Dam Scott you know you 1D's

Yeah.....dreams are free.....I'd have to win lotto before I thought about buying one though.

[OiPaz]

Hey, is everything all right with Telecom ADSL lines? Since this afternoon every oversea website (including this one) is soooo slow! :/
Have you noticed it?

[weka2000]

Yeah.....dreams are free.....I'd have to win lotto before I thought about buying one though.

Hey you want to have a play with my sigma 24-70 It would fit in well with all the other sigmas you have :lol:

[scotttnz]

Hey you want to have a play with my sigma 24-70 It would fit in well with all the other sigmas you have

I don't think it would suit my shooting style. I want something wider that overlaps with my 10-20. Doesn't matter, I need to get my spending under control, so no lenses for a while.

[dgcorner]

Hey, is everything all right with Telecom ADSL lines? Since this afternoon every oversea website (including this one) is soooo slow! :/
Have you noticed it?

It is your typical Telecom glitch -- slows everything to a crawl... :confused: I actually thought that I had a virus because of the slowdown...

[joeseph]

Hey, is everything all right with Telecom ADSL lines? Since this afternoon every oversea website (including this one) is soooo slow! :/
Have you noticed it?
it's not just ADSL...
"Services: Global-Gateway Internet is currently experiencing service disruption

Date and Time of Outage: Currently intermittently unavailable

Areas Affected: International Internet Access

Details: This outage is caused by a fault in the USA – engineers are working on resolving issue but currently there is no ETA. If you have any queries or specific concerns please contact User Support on blah blah blah..."

[joeseph]

Had to post this - someone out our way has a sense of humour, dunno if Prime would find it too amusing though... (caution, some may be offended )

http://joebloggs.servebeer.com/potn/IMG_2181-700f.jpg

[theflyingkiwi]

it's not just ADSL...
"Services: Global-Gateway Internet is currently experiencing service disruption

Date and Time of Outage: Currently intermittently unavailable

Areas Affected: International Internet Access

Details: This outage is caused by a fault in the USA – engineers are working on resolving issue but currently there is no ETA. If you have any queries or specific concerns please contact User Support on blah blah blah..."

ahhh just got to love the internet and computers in general :) Just spend 1 hour with my sister on the phone with a problem where she clicked on a link in outlook express and it doesn't open up in firefox.

[weka2000]

Had to post this - someone out our way has a sense of humour, dunno if Prime would find it too amusing though... (caution, some may be offended )

http://joebloggs.servebeer.com/potn/IMG_2181-700f.jpg

30min + hard ........umm viagra :lol:

[NordieBoy]

This thread has just gone past 50,000 views!

[theflyingkiwi]

This thread has just gone past 50,000 views!

gee we kiwis do seem to talk alot. :rolleyes: :)

[theflyingkiwi]

Might have a new lady lined up for some portrait work :lol:

Lets hope she shows up :)

[joeseph]

Mexican Navy's in town... Wazza, if you're working tomorrow it might make a good sunset time photo. I'll see if I can remember to take my camera in & have another go at it if it's still there.
http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=196255

[NordieBoy]

Where do they plug in the lights?

Oh! The Matrix!