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Nzshrimper
21st of November 2006 (Tue), 03:35
right.. just been working out some figures..

after i take out the child care and after school care for the kids, my wages are worth $250 a week.

time to go out on my own i think.

take kids out of full time child care.
work part time in the evening if i need to supplement any income. Free up some time to photograph and repair PC's etc from home during the day.

theflyingkiwi
21st of November 2006 (Tue), 03:42
Chris, are you going to look at making money from photography?

NordieBoy
21st of November 2006 (Tue), 03:42
Well better get hold of Glam. I have 3 confirmed model shoots for december and another 3 getting back to me with dates. So I need a good prime for portrait.
85 f1.8 ?

Nzshrimper
21st of November 2006 (Tue), 03:54
Chris, are you going to look at making money from photography?
erm no.. thats a hobby.

money from my IT work and part time work if needed.

theflyingkiwi
21st of November 2006 (Tue), 03:55
erm no.. thats a hobby.

money from my IT work and part time work if needed.

do you have anything like mcse or as such?

Nzshrimper
21st of November 2006 (Tue), 04:04
do you have anything like mcse or as such?
yep and a degree in IT. been working for an IT company here for just over a year.

theflyingkiwi
21st of November 2006 (Tue), 04:06
85 f1.8 ?

yep and a degree in IT. been working for an IT company here for just over a year.

are you one of those people that can read a book and then go and sit the exam? I hate those people. only because I can't do it.

I need to get some experience with AD, Exchange and something else.

so when ya going to get your web page up and running?

Nzshrimper
21st of November 2006 (Tue), 04:10
are you one of those people that can read a book and then go and sit the exam? I hate those people. only because I can't do it.

I need to get some experience with AD, Exchange and something else.

so when ya going to get your web page up and running?
yes i am one of thoses people who reads half a book and sits the exam.. and passes.. lol..

just lack experience. i also spent three years recovering from a busted neck and back hence i studied in that time.

web page yes that thing... erm soon.. lol

Nzshrimper
21st of November 2006 (Tue), 04:21
Chris, are you going to look at making money from photography?
however having said its a hobby - if anyone wants to buy anything then its for sale.... ;)

so its a hobby today - who knows what the future holds....

FlyingPete
21st of November 2006 (Tue), 04:23
right.. just been working out some figures..

after i take out the child care and after school care for the kids, my wages are worth $250 a week.

time to go out on my own i think.

take kids out of full time child care.
work part time in the evening if i need to supplement any income. Free up some time to photograph and repair PC's etc from home during the day.

That sucks. IT should bring in a bit more than that, then I know people who have taken cuts in their pay heading down to Chch. You could try contracting, more flexiblity and better rates too, I am contracting to one major customer - AirNZ for around 35-45 hours a week, plus a couple of other IT clients, around 5-20 hours extra a week, plus some photo work (product shooting). Makes for a busy life style, but then I have paid off more than half the $23000 car I bought 8 months ago :D

Nzshrimper
21st of November 2006 (Tue), 04:33
your right it does suck... $35k a year with no overtime. i might have to look at other alts.. Do you know any contacts down here,,,

akiwi
21st of November 2006 (Tue), 07:18
Aaa Gidday maties, didn't know this thread existed until Nzl-G3 pm'd me today. Hope you don't mind if I don't read it all. Wow 761 pages. that's a biggie.
Let me tell you a little about myself.

I'm definitley a Kiwi, and living in Germany near a little town called Munich. A couple of you might have heard about it becaust of a small party called Oktoberfest that is celebrated in September here every year. Very good for photo ops by the way.

I have been active here for a while, but mainly in the Small flaash & studio lighting and Glamour & Nude sections, as this forum is too big to cover everything.

I have a studio setup which I enjoy using.
Married, 2 kids, Work In the Computer industry.

Look foreward to following this thread a little.

Peter

Attached is the sort of pictures I like doing, Though I do a bit of everything.

Wazza
21st of November 2006 (Tue), 09:52
Welcome to GKPE.. Always admired your work. ;)

akiwi
21st of November 2006 (Tue), 10:09
Thanks Wazza. Er isn't it about 02:00 am at the moment in N.Z.?

What exactly does GKPE stand for?
General Kiwi People exchange?
Great kiwi persons education
Grubby Kiwis Photo Experiences
Gumboot kickers personal excursions

FlyingPete
21st of November 2006 (Tue), 12:18
Thanks Wazza. Er isn't it about 02:00 am at the moment in N.Z.?

What exactly does GKPE stand for?
General Kiwi People exchange?
Great kiwi persons education
Grubby Kiwis Photo Experiences
Gumboot kickers personal excursions

Great Kiwi POTN Expedition, check out www.gkpe.org.nz :D

tag141
21st of November 2006 (Tue), 13:18
Glamour & Nude sections

I can see Weka asking you more questions than he has anyone else about lenses.

Nzshrimper
21st of November 2006 (Tue), 14:26
oh well its chickenpox... (doctor will confirm today). :rolleyes:

and another restless night :confused: but sleep is over rated anyway.. ;)

theflyingkiwi
21st of November 2006 (Tue), 14:37
Great Kiwi POTN Expedition, check out www.gkpe.org.nz :D

hmm I forgot that page :eek: :rolleyes:

I can see Weka asking you more questions than he has anyone else about lenses.

Yes I can see that happening.

oh well its chickenpox... (doctor will confirm today). :rolleyes:

and another restless night :confused: but sleep is over rated anyway.. ;)

I work with a couple of guys where their kids had chickenpox. it seems to be the season for it. So I pitty you, having a kid that can't sleep, which means you wont be sleeping either.

weka2000
21st of November 2006 (Tue), 14:45
right.. just been working out some figures..

after i take out the child care and after school care for the kids, my wages are worth $250 a week.

time to go out on my own i think.

take kids out of full time child care.
work part time in the evening if i need to supplement any income. Free up some time to photograph and repair PC's etc from home during the day.

Buy time I take out my photography equipment im left with $10.00 you win :lol:

weka2000
21st of November 2006 (Tue), 14:49
your right it does suck... $35k a year with no overtime. i might have to look at other alts.. Do you know any contacts down here,,,

$40k a year for looking after 250+ workstations, 7 serves and 850 Users. Do I do it for the money....... At least with my job I can tell people to sod off and there is nothing they can do about it. "My way or No way" :lol:

I have never worked for money. I work because I enjoy what I do.

weka2000
21st of November 2006 (Tue), 14:51
Aaa Gidday maties, didn't know this thread existed until Nzl-G3 pm'd me today. Hope you don't mind if I don't read it all. Wow 761 pages. that's a biggie.
Let me tell you a little about myself.

I'm definitley a Kiwi, and living in Germany near a little town called Munich. A couple of you might have heard about it becaust of a small party called Oktoberfest that is celebrated in September here every year. Very good for photo ops by the way.

I have been active here for a while, but mainly in the Small flaash & studio lighting and Glamour & Nude sections, as this forum is too big to cover everything.

I have a studio setup which I enjoy using.
Married, 2 kids, Work In the Computer industry.

Look foreward to following this thread a little.

Peter

Attached is the sort of pictures I like doing, Though I do a bit of everything.

Great photo. What else can beat the shape of the female form. Soft and curvey. Just to think some people get off on petrol vehicals :p

dgcorner
21st of November 2006 (Tue), 15:01
right.. just been working out some figures..

after i take out the child care and after school care for the kids, my wages are worth $250 a week.

time to go out on my own i think.

take kids out of full time child care.
work part time in the evening if i need to supplement any income. Free up some time to photograph and repair PC's etc from home during the day.

Ouch... considering that IT guys I know (in and out of the forum) are raking it in.

Aaa Gidday maties, didn't know this thread existed until Nzl-G3 pm'd me today. Hope you don't mind if I don't read it all. Wow 761 pages. that's a biggie.
Let me tell you a little about myself.

I'm definitley a Kiwi, and living in Germany near a little town called Munich. A couple of you might have heard about it becaust of a small party called Oktoberfest that is celebrated in September here every year. Very good for photo ops by the way.

I have been active here for a while, but mainly in the Small flaash & studio lighting and Glamour & Nude sections, as this forum is too big to cover everything.

I have a studio setup which I enjoy using.
Married, 2 kids, Work In the Computer industry.

Look foreward to following this thread a little.

Peter

Attached is the sort of pictures I like doing, Though I do a bit of everything.

Welcome to the GKPE Peter! Nice work!


oh well its chickenpox... (doctor will confirm today). :rolleyes:

and another restless night :confused: but sleep is over rated anyway.. ;)

Great photo. What else can beat the shape of the female form. Soft and curvey. Just to think some people get off on petrol vehicals :p

Give them a nice warm Pine Tarsol soak in the tub just before bed and they will love you for it. It does stink a bit but it takes care of the itches. The boys had theirs a year or so ago and they were sleeping through the night.

Good luck!

Nzshrimper
21st of November 2006 (Tue), 15:07
Buy time I take out my photography equipment im left with $10.00 you win :lol:

$40k a year for looking after 250+ workstations, 7 serves and 850 Users. Do I do it for the money....... At least with my job I can tell people to sod off and there is nothing they can do about it. "My way or No way" :lol:

I have never worked for money. I work because I enjoy what I do.


I know what you saying about for the enjoyment. that $250 does not go far.. my wife and I are left with $50 a week to do what want with.. :(
We would like to buy a house and the bank says yes no worries have a $300k plus but the repayments on that are just scary. Once the kids are at school then we will be comfortable but thats another 2.5 years away.... :rolleyes: .
I really like my job but i just cant afford to do it, esp when the kids are sick as i take time off without pay to look after them. I hate renting..

dgcorner
21st of November 2006 (Tue), 15:07
Wish me luck guys -- 2nd meeting at 3 this afternoon with a guy who is keen to get me on board but has not yet had the time to draw up the contract (in the last couple of weeks...) Hopefully, he will have one for me to take away and read after the meeting which is being held at their office this time. I can't wait to get my weekends back... and to get into an industry I love and know like the back of my hand.

weka2000
21st of November 2006 (Tue), 15:09
Wish me luck guys -- 2nd meeting at 3 this afternoon with a guy who is keen to get me on board but has not yet had the time to draw up the contract (in the last couple of weeks...) Hopefully, he will have one for me to take away and read after the meeting which is being held at their office this time. I can't wait to get my weekends back... and to get into an industry I love and know like the back of my hand.

Grab the bull by the horns John.all the best.

Nzshrimper
21st of November 2006 (Tue), 15:12
Ouch... considering that IT guys I know (in and out of the forum) are raking it in.

Give them a nice warm Pine Tarsol soak in the tub just before bed and they will love you for it. It does stink a bit but it takes care of the itches. The boys had theirs a year or so ago and they were sleeping through the night.

Good luck!

whats Pine Tarsol?

we don't have the itches just yet only the not feeling very well and cold like symptoms, with a few spots. another day and i think we will be at the itches.
cheers for the advice thou, i hate seeing the little one so unhappy.

weka2000
21st of November 2006 (Tue), 15:13
I know what you saying about for the enjoyment. that $250 does not go far.. my wife and I are left with $50 a week to do what want with.. :(
We would like to buy a house and the bank says yes no worries have a $300k plus but the repayments on that are just scary. Once the kids are at school then we will be comfortable but thats another 2.5 years away.... :rolleyes: .
I really like my job but i just cant afford to do it, esp when the kids are sick as i take time off without pay to look after them. I hate renting..

Quick question how old are you?

We are in the same situation bank will lend but we have to pay it back.
Its all relative to where you live. Higher wages = higher house prices.

As I got older I became content with having a wife, 2 lovely daughters and a roof over my head that we could afford. A job I enjoy and enought money for my hobbies. Sure I dont drive a flash car nor live in a flash house.
What I am is free and flexiable. For me the bird cage never has a door that is closed.

Nzshrimper
21st of November 2006 (Tue), 15:14
Wish me luck guys -- 2nd meeting at 3 this afternoon with a guy who is keen to get me on board but has not yet had the time to draw up the contract (in the last couple of weeks...) Hopefully, he will have one for me to take away and read after the meeting which is being held at their office this time. I can't wait to get my weekends back... and to get into an industry I love and know like the back of my hand.

Good luck and all the best. :D

Nzshrimper
21st of November 2006 (Tue), 15:21
Quick question how old are you?

We are in the same situation bank will lend but we have to pay it back.
Its all relative to where you live. Higher wages = higher house prices.

As I got older I became content with having a wife, 2 lovely daughters and a roof over my head that we could afford. A job I enjoy and enought money for my hobbies. Sure I dont drive a flash car nor live in a flash house.
What I am is free and flexiable. For me the bird cage never has a door that is closed.

I am 31. my wife is 36.

We dont want a flash car or a flash house. She has a good stable job and to be honest so do I. I just want to get out of renting, start putting money aside to live happly when we retire. And to be able to enjoy the kids. Dont get me wrong life is great now (compared to the last 5 years).

Nzshrimper
21st of November 2006 (Tue), 15:31
tony check out his thread,,,

http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?p=2292807#post2292807

and the rest of you can look if you want ;)

weka2000
21st of November 2006 (Tue), 15:33
tony check out his thread,,,

http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?p=2292807#post2292807

and the rest of you can look if you want ;)

I sent him a PM a while back seems im not the only one :)

dgcorner
21st of November 2006 (Tue), 15:35
whats Pine Tarsol?

we don't have the itches just yet only the not feeling very well and cold like symptoms, with a few spots. another day and i think we will be at the itches.
cheers for the advice thou, i hate seeing the little one so unhappy.

Pine Tarsol helps reduce itching and skin flaking. It is a solution you can purchase at the chemist - just tell them you need it for chicken pox itching. You will need to dilute it in the tub before the kids get in. We used 10-20mls for a half full tub... but check the instructions depending on the pine tarsol strength. Warning: the water will look really yucky brown and smell but the kids get used to it especially when it is warm and nice to sit in. The boys soaked for 15-30minutes and were off to sleep shortly thereafter.


Grab the bull by the horns John.all the best.

Good luck and all the best. :D

Thanks Tony & Chris! Will let you guys know what happens!

Moppie
21st of November 2006 (Tue), 15:43
Anyone interested in a sunset shoot this evening?
I think Tony raised the idea earlier in the week.

weka2000
21st of November 2006 (Tue), 15:45
Anyone interested in a sunset shoot this evening?
I think Tony raised the idea earlier in the week.

Tonight is the only night for me but at this stage I have stomach cramps and getting redy to go back home to bed :(

Moppie
21st of November 2006 (Tue), 15:51
That time of the month huh?

Oh well, we can always try again next week :)

FlyingPete
21st of November 2006 (Tue), 15:54
I am 31. my wife is 36.

We dont want a flash car or a flash house. She has a good stable job and to be honest so do I. I just want to get out of renting, start putting money aside to live happly when we retire. And to be able to enjoy the kids. Dont get me wrong life is great now (compared to the last 5 years).


Same age as me :), Shona is younger than me though.

Have you set out your goals, and I mean write them down, there is something about writing down goals that gives them 'power'. I have been doing that for the last 12 odd years of my professional career, and when I get them onto paper I achieve my goals without fail. Keep it simple focus on no more than five at a time, have some short term, longer term personal and professional, get yours wife's input and reality check!

It seems in order to succeed in IT you need to develop a good reputation in the industry, and there are some tricks to doing. The easiest way to start seems to be getting attached to a vendor/integrator that has lots of partners, this gets you in front of customers and suppliers, the other way is to get into a corporate that has lots of projects on that involve third parties. I think though you really do need to do the vendor/integrator thing at some point most people I know in IT who are playing at a high level have done so at some point, it is a different world in vendor land but they seem to be a necessary evil! I know Tier 1's Gen-I and Axon are present in Chch, not sure who else is around.

Hope that helps!

weka2000
21st of November 2006 (Tue), 15:55
That time of the month huh?

Oh well, we can always try again next week :)

May explain why Im granky and my back hurts as well :p

Wazza
21st of November 2006 (Tue), 15:55
Didn't realise IT was kinda low in some areas. I knew the basics was poor, say graphic design.

I'm on mid 40's when you count my super and pretty much permanent bonuses. Would love to get $60K+, but I guess I'll need some leadership job. Or a wedding a week ;)

Nzshrimper
21st of November 2006 (Tue), 16:10
cheers Pete - some sound advice there,,
That maybe the issue - i don't know what i want do. and whats more what will make me happy.

time to set goals and ways of archiving those goals.

Moppie
21st of November 2006 (Tue), 16:15
I'm on mid 40's when you count my super and pretty much permanent bonuses. Would love to get $60K+, but I guess I'll need some leadership job. Or a wedding a week ;)


Bloody, hell. Im deffinitly under paid, especialy since Im in a leadership position.

Wazza
21st of November 2006 (Tue), 16:35
Yeah?

My base pay is only just over mid 30's, but then ever since I've started, I've got the bonuses, and 5% is gifted to me as Super, and can draw it out anytime, and also contributing 4% myself. May pay for a airline ticket one day if I ever leave the job ;)

scotttnz
21st of November 2006 (Tue), 16:42
Wish me luck guys -- 2nd meeting at 3 this afternoon with a guy who is keen to get me on board but has not yet had the time to draw up the contract (in the last couple of weeks...) Hopefully, he will have one for me to take away and read after the meeting which is being held at their office this time. I can't wait to get my weekends back... and to get into an industry I love and know like the back of my hand.

All the best John, I hope it works out for you!

Anyone interested in a sunset shoot this evening?
I think Tony raised the idea earlier in the week.

I could be interested, depending on when I get home from work. Mind you I do have around 500 images to post process from the last 2 days.

Nzshrimper
21st of November 2006 (Tue), 17:02
your thoughts please.. (its a business card)
edit oops wrong one (change for the right one)

weka2000
21st of November 2006 (Tue), 17:21
The more you get paid the more that is required of you, the more stress, and more people issues.

I want a pay drop :lol:

weka2000
21st of November 2006 (Tue), 17:21
your thoughts please.. (its a business card)
edit oops wrong one (change for the right one)

I like it. Would you make your web site the same format. You dont have a photo you want on it?

Hey if you have some free time you can do mine while your at it :lol:

Nzshrimper
21st of November 2006 (Tue), 17:29
I like it. Would you make your web site the same format. You dont have a photo you want on it?

Hey if you have some free time you can do mine while your at it :lol:
thanks tony.

website to be a simlar layout.

No photo on card. my website will have the photos (the card will tease them in.)

lol about doing yours. Thats a lot of presure. let me see how mine goes first.

weka2000
21st of November 2006 (Tue), 17:31
Thats a lot of presure.

Good that will help prepare you for a $100K job....I want it done by 11.45 am today :p

Nzshrimper
21st of November 2006 (Tue), 17:33
Good that will help prepare you for a $100K job....I want it done by 11.45 am today :p
a business card in 15 mins.. ok

what info do want on it.

weka2000
21st of November 2006 (Tue), 17:36
a business card in 15 mins.. ok

what info do want on it.

Name Tony Searle photography
web www.tonysearle.co.nz (http://www.tonysearle.co.nz)
e-mail tony@tonysearle.co.nz
cell 0211173094

Black black ground the restis up to you.....dont spell my name wrond :lol:

theflyingkiwi
21st of November 2006 (Tue), 17:37
Good that will help prepare you for a $100K job....I want it done by 11.45 am today :p

hey wait a minute, I thought you wonted me to do it ?

Chris, that's a nice looking card for a basic one ;)

weka2000
21st of November 2006 (Tue), 17:40
hey wait a minute, I thought you wonted me to do it ?

Chris, that's a nice looking card for a basic one ;)

Im open to as many ideas as I can. So this could be a new GKPE challange
winner gets .................. I would be happy to pay.

theflyingkiwi
21st of November 2006 (Tue), 17:41
Im open to as many ideas as I can. So this could be a new GKPE challange
winner gets ..................

I was going to say your 5D, but then I remember it's been out in the rain all nite so perhaps not :)

Nzshrimper
21st of November 2006 (Tue), 17:42
hey wait a minute, I thought you wonted me to do it ?

Chris, that's a nice looking card for a basic one ;)

LOL . :p (he still does)

i find basic is best .. simple understated yet eye catching..

(dont need to tell them everything)

weka2000
21st of November 2006 (Tue), 18:04
LOL . :p (he still does)

i find basic is best .. simple understated yet eye catching..

(dont need to tell them everything)

You just lost your $100K job :p

Nzshrimper
21st of November 2006 (Tue), 18:06
You just lost your $100K job :p
check your email big fella.. working on a second one for you. as we speak first simple second has an image from your old site on it.

weka2000
21st of November 2006 (Tue), 18:08
check your email big fella.. working on a second one for you. as we speak first simple second has an image from your old site on it.

Which account :)
I have 3 now :lol:

Just checked a 3 and ive got NO mail :(
Yeah I know it must be xtra...not your fault :LOL:

Nzshrimper
21st of November 2006 (Tue), 18:13
Which account :)
I have 3 now :lol:

Just checked a 3 and ive got NO mail :(
Yeah I know it must be xtra...not your fault :LOL:
tony at ts you know the rest.. LOL

weka2000
21st of November 2006 (Tue), 18:25
tony at ts you know the rest.. LOL


xtra was on lunch break :)

Nzshrimper
21st of November 2006 (Tue), 18:34
heres another very quick one.. just an idea need fine tuning.

weka2000
21st of November 2006 (Tue), 18:37
heres another very quick one.. just an idea need fine tuning.

Hey that looks great.
I see what every one means now about the word photography been smaller than my name.

Nzshrimper
21st of November 2006 (Tue), 18:39
Hey that looks great.
I see what every one means now about the word photography been smaller than my name.
stop it ... :oops:

so the size thing was not just me then..

weka2000
21st of November 2006 (Tue), 18:41
stop it ... :oops:

You may have a hidden talent.......works better under pressure ;)

How would that work in with my frontpage on web site?

Nzshrimper
21st of November 2006 (Tue), 18:48
You may have a hidden talent.......works better under pressure ;)

How would that work in with my frontpage on web site?
keep the fonts same as card.

let me have a play with photoshop for layouts.

may be try a couple of black and white photos and simple page titles to click on.

Nothing to complex - I hate busy websites..

joeseph
21st of November 2006 (Tue), 18:58
xtra was on lunch break :)

I should stop slagging xtra off, I've had to cancel my Ihug broadband in order to get a cheap phone & "unleashed" Xtra thru work. If they smell another ISP they won't allow any discount from anything.


yay Xtra! (xtra packet loss, xtra charges, xtra downtime, xtra helpdesk - you get the picture... :rolleyes: )

as I said, I should stop slagging xtra off...


but I'm not about to.

FlyingPete
21st of November 2006 (Tue), 19:26
I should stop slagging xtra off, I've had to cancel my Ihug broadband in order to get a cheap phone & "unleashed" Xtra thru work. If they smell another ISP they won't allow any discount from anything.


yay Xtra! (xtra packet loss, xtra charges, xtra downtime, xtra helpdesk - you get the picture... :rolleyes: )

as I said, I should stop slagging xtra off...


but I'm not about to.

That is a bit mean, Woosh perhaps? (ah no as that is cr*p as well :rolleyes: ) I don't know any other companies who disallow you staff discount if you use someone else.

Since when did Xtra have a helpdesk, I thought it was just a desk!

Nzshrimper
21st of November 2006 (Tue), 19:30
One more for you think over Tony...

tim
21st of November 2006 (Tue), 19:36
Ballance of that last one doesn't work for me, i'd go for more symmetry.

Nzshrimper
21st of November 2006 (Tue), 19:43
have website look like this (maybe)

Nzshrimper
21st of November 2006 (Tue), 19:44
Ballance of that last one doesn't work for me, i'd go for more symmetry.
your right ... Ill crop some off the base and the right hand side.. and move the name down a tad. (hey its only quick ideas.. );)

dgcorner
21st of November 2006 (Tue), 19:44
your thoughts please.. (its a business card)
edit oops wrong one (change for the right one)

Elegance in simplicity -- I really like it!

LOL . :p (he still does)

[quote=scotttnz;2295502]All the best John, I hope it works out for you!



I could be interested, depending on when I get home from work. Mind you I do have around 500 images to post process from the last 2 days.


Thanks Scott!

Moppie/Scott -- whereabouts are you planning to shoot? I may just get a window to join you guys.

FlyingPete
21st of November 2006 (Tue), 19:47
Actually on desks, here is a rough transcript of a conversation I had a couple of weeks ago with one here at work, firstly I dared phone them, I needed access to the call logging system so I could review calls assigned to me, I had used the Intranet, but they kept closing the call for obscure reasons.

"Welcome to ... If this call is not severity 1 or 2 please press 1 now, otherwise hang up and log a request via the internal Intranet site... <short wait, I didn't press 1!> Pleas hold the line."
Them: "Support, user name please"
Me: "lowdep"
Them: "loudep"
Me: "no loWdep"
Them: "lowdep" + pause + "Yes..."
Me: "I have made a request for ... access, and have urgent calls assigned to me that I need to action"
Them: "You have already logged this via the Intranet, and if you can have calls assigned to you you have access"
Me: "But I have not been provided with a logon"
Them: "According to our records we granted you access and a logon in March 2005"
Me: "Yes that was when I last worked here"
Them: "Then why did you log a request when you already had access"
Me: "I don't have access my standard logon doesn't work"
Them: "You need to log this via the Intranet"
Me: "I have THREE times"
Them: "Then you must be filling out the form incorrectly"
Me: "No, you keep closing it as completed"
Then: "Yes it was completed, according to our records back in March 2005"
Me: "But that logon doesn't work, can you reset my password?"
Them: "No we cannot do that you need to log a password reset request via the Intranet"
Me: "Can't you just do that now and save the time"
Them: "No, you need to make all requests except urgent ones via the Intranet"
Me: "This is urgent, I have calls in my queue that urgently need action that I cannot access to deal with! It the time we have been arguing you could have reset my password!"
Them: "You are in the wrong here, you left and didn't inform us you have left the company, and now you are back and expect it to just work, you need to log a call via the Intranet"
Me: "Fine." I hang up

I logged the call on the intranet and they bounced it because I didn't have a logon to reset the password for, so I logged another one to get a logon, that got bounced (by the same guy) because I already had a logon :evil:

Got access a week later by escalating via my Management, server crashed and burned, officially not my fault though. It is worth noting that the "desk" here is run by Telecom.

weka2000
21st of November 2006 (Tue), 19:59
One more for you think over Tony...

I think the script font is no good. Intresting choice of photo.

Pete that was a great read. Thanks for the laugh.

So are we doing a mini tonight ?? Im at home sick but not dead :lol:

Nzshrimper
21st of November 2006 (Tue), 19:59
ok .. lunch time. and i need to tidy the house. lol

dgcorner
21st of November 2006 (Tue), 20:07
So are we doing a mini tonight ?? Im at home sick but not dead :lol:

Where and when? I'll try to make it. I've been away too long.

Nzshrimper
21st of November 2006 (Tue), 20:07
Elegance in simplicity -- I really like it!


right i am sticking with it.. no one said oh my god its terrible and got two positive feed backs.. ;)

off to order 1000 cards.

weka2000
21st of November 2006 (Tue), 20:14
right i am sticking with it.. no one said oh my god its terrible and got two positive feed backs.. ;)

off to order 1000 cards.

Gon on yah.

Oh seems I can now post questions re lens....seems I am no longer blacklisted :lol: now what should I say :evil:

weka2000
21st of November 2006 (Tue), 20:15
Where and when? I'll try to make it. I've been away too long.

Sunsets about 8 so say between 6.30-7.00 my place?

FlyingPete
21st of November 2006 (Tue), 20:38
Sunsets about 8 so say between 6.30-7.00 my place?

I'm not going to make this one, got my mum over for tea tonight...

tim
21st of November 2006 (Tue), 20:49
The sand dune card looks good, maybe with a better B&W conversion. The sunset ones have potential to be better but the words don't appear well placed to me, things just feel off. I could do a version this evening if someone PMs me to remind me.

FlyingPete
21st of November 2006 (Tue), 20:59
The sand dune card looks good, maybe with a better B&W conversion. The sunset ones have potential to be better but the words don't appear well placed to me, things just feel off. I could do a version this evening if someone PMs me to remind me.

I thought you had a new job, girlfriend etc and had disappeared for a while?

Or are you like me at work with a feast or famine in work load :rolleyes:

weka2000
21st of November 2006 (Tue), 21:14
The sand dune card looks good, maybe with a better B&W conversion. The sunset ones have potential to be better but the words don't appear well placed to me, things just feel off. I could do a version this evening if someone PMs me to remind me.

Thanks Tim I need all the help I can get. Im heading into a feast now. 2 Confirmed model shoots next week. Monday and Tuesday. What have I let myself in for.

Outdoors in parks with attractive young woman in summery type dresses.
One is wanting to do some Bikini shoots as well.

Time to celebtare.... New "L" lens .....135mm F2 L :)

tim
21st of November 2006 (Tue), 21:18
I thought you had a new job, girlfriend etc and had disappeared for a while?

Or are you like me at work with a feast or famine in work load :rolleyes:

New job, new girlfriend, but not too much to do at the job yet. Outside of work i'm pretty busy, but a business card layout would take me about 5 minutes.

Thanks Tim I need all the help I can get. Im heading into a feast now. 2 Confirmed model shoots next week. Monday and Tuesday. What have I let myself in for.

Perhaps PM me a URL to a medium res type image, either the sand dune or the sunset, both color, i'll have a play this evening.

weka2000
21st of November 2006 (Tue), 21:19
Now Scott didnt you say something about 435 pages back that you thought I wouldnt make it :lol:

weka2000
21st of November 2006 (Tue), 22:26
http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=242591

NordieBoy
21st of November 2006 (Tue), 22:33
Thanks Tim I need all the help I can get. Im heading into a feast now. 2 Confirmed model shoots next week. Monday and Tuesday. What have I let myself in for.

These ones are going to actually turn up?

weka2000
21st of November 2006 (Tue), 22:36
These ones are going to actually turn up?
Yep. They are not Samoan :)

weka2000
21st of November 2006 (Tue), 23:42
So what the plan for tonight?

Moppie
21st of November 2006 (Tue), 23:52
Well Iv now planned to cook dinner.
Spent the afternoon on the harbor drinking beers with a supplier, so missed most of this thread.

dgcorner
22nd of November 2006 (Wed), 00:10
Need to pass on the mini tonight - I forgot that I was cooking dinner:o man, am I getting old!!!

On a better note -- I got the job!!! Wooohooo!!! I start 2nd week of January 2007! The pay is going to be waaaaaaaaaay better than Hill & Stewart... and in the same level that I was earning before I got made redundant... so status quo...

Now, for those of you contracting... I need to pick your brains. I will be in a contracting situation since the company is in "starting up" mode. I need to know how this works... I've been an employee all my life and contracting is a whole new ball game for me...

Now off to cook dinner... and think about what notebook I need to purchase before the end of the year... I hope Hill & Stewart run one of those 24months interest free deals before I leave!!!

weka2000
22nd of November 2006 (Wed), 00:16
Need to pass on the mini tonight - I forgot that I was cooking dinner:o man, am I getting old!!!

On a better note -- I got the job!!! Wooohooo!!! I start 2nd week of January 2007! The pay is going to be waaaaaaaaaay better than Hill & Stewart... and in the same level that I was earning before I got made redundant... so status quo...

Now, for those of you contracting... I need to pick your brains. I will be in a contracting situation since the company is in "starting up" mode. I need to know how this works... I've been an employee all my life and contracting is a whole new ball game for me...

Now off to cook dinner... and think about what notebook I need to purchase before the end of the year... I hope Hill & Stewart run one of those 24months interest free deals before I leave!!!

Well done, goog things come to those that wait. Looks like I wont be the only one who buys "L" lens

Mini Cancelled due to old men who forget, or drink to much during the day :lol:

Moppie
22nd of November 2006 (Wed), 00:34
Congrats John!

I hope it all goes well, your going to find the next 2 months lots of fun waiting with anticipation.

theflyingkiwi
22nd of November 2006 (Wed), 01:15
Need to pass on the mini tonight - I forgot that I was cooking dinner:o man, am I getting old!!!

On a better note -- I got the job!!! Wooohooo!!! I start 2nd week of January 2007! The pay is going to be waaaaaaaaaay better than Hill & Stewart... and in the same level that I was earning before I got made redundant... so status quo...

Now, for those of you contracting... I need to pick your brains. I will be in a contracting situation since the company is in "starting up" mode. I need to know how this works... I've been an employee all my life and contracting is a whole new ball game for me...

Now off to cook dinner... and think about what notebook I need to purchase before the end of the year... I hope Hill & Stewart run one of those 24months interest free deals before I leave!!!

Congrats on the new job John,

tim
22nd of November 2006 (Wed), 01:16
Guys, a mate of mine's travelling and wants to know the best way to store images on the road. What's the best reliable image tank? $400 is his max budget. Alternately he might just go to an internet cafe and burn CDs - he only has a 512MB SD card. Thoughts?

weka2000
22nd of November 2006 (Wed), 01:21
Guys, a mate of mine's travelling and wants to know the best way to store images on the road. What's the best reliable image tank? $400 is his max budget. Alternately he might just go to an internet cafe and burn CDs - he only has a 512MB SD card. Thoughts?

Hard drive would be prone to bumps. Larger SD card or couple of smaller ones.
How long is he on the road for?

Nzshrimper
22nd of November 2006 (Wed), 01:32
Guys, a mate of mine's travelling and wants to know the best way to store images on the road. What's the best reliable image tank? $400 is his max budget. Alternately he might just go to an internet cafe and burn CDs - he only has a 512MB SD card. Thoughts?
we have these 40gb hdd that use Usb - they come in a travel wallet (leather) and hold up well. we kick the living sh1t out ours at work.

joeseph
22nd of November 2006 (Wed), 01:37
Guys, a mate of mine's travelling and wants to know the best way to store images on the road. What's the best reliable image tank? $400 is his max budget. Alternately he might just go to an internet cafe and burn CDs - he only has a 512MB SD card. Thoughts?

My "Tripper" I got mailorder from Ausy ( www.jaldigital.com.au )has been discontinued although I hear good things about Vosonic's X-drive, something like this:
http://www.flashcards.co.nz/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=26_188&products_id=164
they seem cheaper in NZ than ausy looking at these prices...

budget should be well catered for. And enough left over for spare batteries for the drive, or more flashcards!

dgcorner
22nd of November 2006 (Wed), 02:17
Well done, goog things come to those that wait. Looks like I wont be the only one who buys "L" lens

Mini Cancelled due to old men who forget, or drink to much during the day :lol:

Congrats John!

I hope it all goes well, your going to find the next 2 months lots of fun waiting with anticipation.

Congrats on the new job John,


Thanks guys! 30 days notice to the current employer... and a couple of weeks holiday in between... It's going to be a long wait;)

Guys, a mate of mine's travelling and wants to know the best way to store images on the road. What's the best reliable image tank? $400 is his max budget. Alternately he might just go to an internet cafe and burn CDs - he only has a 512MB SD card. Thoughts?

My PanOcean 20gig drive is sufficient for some 2 months of holidays... I hear good things about the Vosonic that Duncan mentions...

Nzshrimper
22nd of November 2006 (Wed), 02:22
On a better note -- I got the job!!! Wooohooo!!! I start 2nd week of January 2007! The pay is going to be waaaaaaaaaay better than Hill & Stewart... and in the same level that I was earning before I got made redundant... so status quo...
nice one .. now thats a great Christmas present and good start to the new year..

Drinks on you then :D

dgcorner
22nd of November 2006 (Wed), 02:27
nice one .. now thats a great Christmas present and good start to the new year..

Drinks on you then :D

Thanks! Yep -- I'll remember to bring an extra round of drinks for the Xmas do at Scott's place.

Nzshrimper
22nd of November 2006 (Wed), 02:38
Thanks! Yep -- I'll remember to bring an extra round of drinks for the Xmas do at Scott's place.
what was the date of that any ways...

weka2000
22nd of November 2006 (Wed), 02:41
Thanks! Yep -- I'll remember to bring an extra round of drinks for the Xmas do at Scott's place.

I will get another "L" :lol:
Yes do we have a date set.

theflyingkiwi
22nd of November 2006 (Wed), 03:06
I will get another "L" :lol:
Yes do we have a date set.

what is there another GKPE coming up?

no wait I don't have a camera. only lens :( I did get a phone call from them yesterday, it seemed that I didn't include my home address. I guess I really wasn't to interested in getting the camera gear home again. :rolleyes:

tim
22nd of November 2006 (Wed), 03:12
My "Tripper" I got mailorder from Ausy ( www.jaldigital.com.au )has been discontinued although I hear good things about Vosonic's X-drive, something like this:
http://www.flashcards.co.nz/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=26_188&products_id=164
they seem cheaper in NZ than ausy looking at these prices...

budget should be well catered for. And enough left over for spare batteries for the drive, or more flashcards!

Hard drive would be prone to bumps. Larger SD card or couple of smaller ones.
How long is he on the road for?

The Vosonic looks great, thanks! :)

scotttnz
22nd of November 2006 (Wed), 03:12
Sorry, went out to "lunch" with a supplier, and just got back.....maybe another night?

Moppie
22nd of November 2006 (Wed), 03:21
Sorry, went out to "lunch" with a supplier, and just got back.....maybe another night?


Sounds like your lunch was better than mine :lol:

weka2000
22nd of November 2006 (Wed), 03:25
Sorry, went out to "lunch" with a supplier, and just got back.....maybe another night?

Well all my free nights are taken up next week. Sandra's working the rest.
Im sure looking foward to my next series of waterfall photos :rolleyes:

Roll on Dec22 when I get a month off work.
Dam I need a rest.

tim
22nd of November 2006 (Wed), 03:34
Playing with an idea... no more time tonight sorry. Hope it gives you some more ideas! :)

akiwi
22nd of November 2006 (Wed), 03:55
Jeez.. You guys chat a lot.
That last card looks good. Not sure of the font at the bottom.

I posted a couple of new shots in the Glam & Nude section Here (http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=242399) if youre interested. Warning.. Not work safe :-)

Waterfalls!! Dam there aren't any around here in Munich. And it is getting cold here.
Currently 4.4 degrees.

theflyingkiwi
22nd of November 2006 (Wed), 04:11
I was thinking that you might find a few pages to read. I agree with your comments about the font at the bottom tho.

Well Tony does like his waterfalls :) I hope tho you will be able to show of some of that snow you might end up getting.

tim
22nd of November 2006 (Wed), 04:55
That was the font that happened to be active, easy to change.

akiwi
22nd of November 2006 (Wed), 04:56
Naa. Take Aral. It is easier to read, & simple.

FlyingPete
22nd of November 2006 (Wed), 05:02
On a better note -- I got the job!!! Wooohooo!!! I start 2nd week of January 2007! The pay is going to be waaaaaaaaaay better than Hill & Stewart... and in the same level that I was earning before I got made redundant... so status quo...

Congrats!

Now, for those of you contracting... I need to pick your brains. I will be in a contracting situation since the company is in "starting up" mode. I need to know how this works... I've been an employee all my life and contracting is a whole new ball game for me...


Hmmm there is now quick answer to that one! Been a steep learning curve for me this last year. At its most simplest you get GST registered, a pay that every month/two months/six months, and do a full tax return at the end of the year or you have to pay tax immediately if you are forecasting over $35K in tax for the year, you then spice it up by lowering your income with legitimate business expenses such as car running and mobile phone, claim a chunk of you home expenses for an office etc. That is called being a sole trader, on the other hand you can form a company, a lot more to that. I am a Sole Trader, and it is working for me, projecting saving $10K in tax because of business expenses :) Need to go over it over a coffee, then you should talk to an accountant...

Wazza
22nd of November 2006 (Wed), 05:03
I agree some of that text is a bit hard to read, and that's 3 times larger than a physical card!

I kept my own as simple as possible, as you know.

Wazza
22nd of November 2006 (Wed), 05:05
PS. Congrats John! It's about time you're being recognised for your capabilities. :)

I'm thinking of working Monday to Friday next year.. not sure what I'd do, possibly even a sales rep.. Canon? HAH! - They will never consider me, after 2 previous polite nos..

tim
22nd of November 2006 (Wed), 05:47
I've been self employed for 4 years almost, ask questions if you want, PM is easier. Get an accountant, mine specialises in small business and IT in particular.

dgcorner
22nd of November 2006 (Wed), 13:57
what was the date of that any ways...

Pete is the schedule master... I think it was going to be early next year?

I did get a phone call from them yesterday, it seemed that I didn't include my home address. I guess I really wasn't to interested in getting the camera gear home again. :rolleyes:

:lol: :lol:

Sorry, went out to "lunch" with a supplier, and just got back.....maybe another night?

Congrats!



Hmmm there is now quick answer to that one! Been a steep learning curve for me this last year. At its most simplest you get GST registered, a pay that every month/two months/six months, and do a full tax return at the end of the year or you have to pay tax immediately if you are forecasting over $35K in tax for the year, you then spice it up by lowering your income with legitimate business expenses such as car running and mobile phone, claim a chunk of you home expenses for an office etc. That is called being a sole trader, on the other hand you can form a company, a lot more to that. I am a Sole Trader, and it is working for me, projecting saving $10K in tax because of business expenses :) Need to go over it over a coffee, then you should talk to an accountant...

Thanks Pete! Will do.

PS. Congrats John! It's about time you're being recognised for your capabilities. :)

I'm thinking of working Monday to Friday next year.. not sure what I'd do, possibly even a sales rep.. Canon? HAH! - They will never consider me, after 2 previous polite nos..

Thanks Warren. Don't let the 2 rejections get you down. A mate of mine applied with Vodafone 6X before being accepted. He was dead set on working for Vodafone so he just kept hacking away. He now holds a very good position in the company.

I've been self employed for 4 years almost, ask questions if you want, PM is easier. Get an accountant, mine specialises in small business and IT in particular.

Thanks Tim! Will do.


[Off to Work]

Nzshrimper
22nd of November 2006 (Wed), 16:33
just went for a recky at the race track. (had to take my boy :rolleyes: ) .

Somehow he manged to come back with an arm full of posters. Those mini's look like fun to drive. Now where can i find the $40k needed to race one for the season.

theflyingkiwi
22nd of November 2006 (Wed), 21:36
wow, it's been quite in here today. Don't tell me that everyone has been working? that's just not on.

You guys didn't notice my new avatar, does anyone know where it comes from?

Moppie
22nd of November 2006 (Wed), 21:51
I think it rather matchs your user title.

It was an interesting little short movie, certianly very clever.

weka2000
22nd of November 2006 (Wed), 21:58
wow, it's been quite in here today. Don't tell me that everyone has been working? that's just not on.

You guys didn't notice my new avatar, does anyone know where it comes from?

I did notice but never said a word....couldnt think of a smart ass comment :p

Wazza
22nd of November 2006 (Wed), 22:03
Came from a guy doing his thesis or was that major in California.. Too bad he isn't a kiwi himself!!

Anyway, great you tube video.

DiscoLizard
22nd of November 2006 (Wed), 22:17
Guys, a mate of mine's travelling and wants to know the best way to store images on the road. What's the best reliable image tank? $400 is his max budget. Alternately he might just go to an internet cafe and burn CDs - he only has a 512MB SD card. Thoughts?


Portable CD writers are good too, used one on a recent overseas trip. That way you don't have to track down an internet cafe every time you fill up your card(s).

DiscoLizard
22nd of November 2006 (Wed), 22:23
Congrats on the job John!

tag141
22nd of November 2006 (Wed), 22:58
Now where can i find the $40k needed to race one for the season.

Been there, done that etc. Spent a small fortune on racing in the UK for a couple of seasons. Scared myself s***less and as soon as I got out of the car thought...I want to do that again right now. Also thought about real mini racing but in the UK that costs as much as a house can if you want to be competitive.

theflyingkiwi
22nd of November 2006 (Wed), 23:10
I did notice but never said a word....couldnt think of a smart ass comment :p

Came from a guy doing his thesis or was that major in California.. Too bad he isn't a kiwi himself!!

Anyway, great you tube video.

it's nice and bright and colourful I guess that's why I like it. yea the video is rather crazy, but I would have thought it fits in to Tony way of thinking. :D

weka2000
22nd of November 2006 (Wed), 23:13
it's nice and bright and colourful I guess that's why I like it. yea the video is rather crazy, but I would have thought it fits in to Tony way of thinking. :D

Never heard of it or seen it...I live a sheltered life :p

Crazy......... you aint seen nothing yet :lol:

theflyingkiwi
22nd of November 2006 (Wed), 23:18
Never heard of it or seen it...I live a sheltered life :p

Crazy......... you aint seen nothing yet :lol:

in that case then go to youtube and do a seach for kiwi, you will find it :)

dgcorner
23rd of November 2006 (Thu), 00:28
Congrats on the job John!

Thanks!!!

weka2000
23rd of November 2006 (Thu), 00:54
So does anyone take any photos anymore :lol:

Moppie
23rd of November 2006 (Thu), 01:04
Iv taken lots of the cat :)

theflyingkiwi
23rd of November 2006 (Thu), 01:09
So does anyone take any photos anymore :lol:

Yep, I am using a virtual camera all the time. it's creating virtual photos that out perform a 1DsMk2 :)

weka2000
23rd of November 2006 (Thu), 01:13
Had another 1/2 day still not 100% going to spend some time on jalbum tonight and my front page/card.

Next week all my free time will be post processing photos and posting to get peoples feed back.

Keeping pbase account as I can password folders so the models can see the results before they go onto my web site.

Glam got back to me with some "L" prices so maybe next week I will have #4
Looking at 135 F2 L I have cash for 85F1.2 but seems a big jump from the 85 F1.8

theflyingkiwi
23rd of November 2006 (Thu), 01:18
how much is the 135 F2 going for?

weka2000
23rd of November 2006 (Thu), 01:18
how much is the 135 F2 going for?
$1600
$650ish for 50mm F1.4 and 85 F1.8 each. I dont regreat trading mine on the 24-105

theflyingkiwi
23rd of November 2006 (Thu), 01:34
135 would be nice, but no real need for it. I am trying to buy a dell monitor but at this stage after 2 weeks they don't seem to wont my $$$

Nzshrimper
23rd of November 2006 (Thu), 01:44
$1600
$650ish for 50mm F1.4 and 85 F1.8 each. I dont regreat trading mine on the 24-105
am i to asume that these are all 'L'

<chris runs away to count his pennies>

weka2000
23rd of November 2006 (Thu), 01:51
am i to asume that these are all 'L'

<chris runs away to count his pennies>

What you dont own the "Canons Lens work III" Book
shame on you

50 and 85 are NON-L have owned both and great glass

Nzshrimper
23rd of November 2006 (Thu), 01:56
What you dont own the "Canons Lens work III" Book
shame on you

50 and 85 are NON-L have owned both and great glass
thats why i asked $650 for 'L' - the next question would be is it stolen.. ;)

note to self buy the book///:rolleyes:

Wazza
23rd of November 2006 (Thu), 02:04
You sold your 50 1.4 and 85 Tony???

weka2000
23rd of November 2006 (Thu), 02:23
You sold your 50 1.4 and 85 Tony???

Where you been hiding :rolleyes:

Traded my 50mm 85mm 100mm on a New 24-105 F4 L and dont regret it. Sandra since changed her mind on my model ideas so.........
Weka's off to get new glass again ;)

The 24-105 is used most of the time. Saves on sensor cleaning :)
Oh and it can handle been left out in the rain all night.

weka2000
23rd of November 2006 (Thu), 02:26
thats why i asked $650 for 'L' - the next question would be is it stolen.. ;)

note to self buy the book///:rolleyes:

On my wall in my room above my PC is the EF Lens range with certian Lens maked :lol:

Mark Vuleta
23rd of November 2006 (Thu), 02:40
Good evening everyone.

tag141
23rd of November 2006 (Thu), 02:43
On my wall in my room above my PC is the EF Lens range with certian Lens maked :lol:

You've just done one big circle around them all haven't you...go on admit it...one big circle.

Mark Vuleta
23rd of November 2006 (Thu), 02:50
I would like to post some photo's I took over the weekend and thought this would be a friendly forum for my first attempt, I have read the stickys and hopefully have it under control.

Bear with me & I'll give it a try

theflyingkiwi
23rd of November 2006 (Thu), 02:52
like ya new avatar tag, however I think you should use a transparant gif, that way the white doesn't stand out :)

hi Mark, how's it going

akiwi
23rd of November 2006 (Thu), 02:53
I think this has been my busiest month ever. I have taken over 3000 photos.
Mark, how many points do they get for hitting a photographer? Did he get him?

Weka... You left your lens out overnight???!!!

Mark Vuleta
23rd of November 2006 (Thu), 02:55
Very well thanks, It looks like I have done it, I was a bit concerned about file size, not sure how people on dial-up can put up with it these days, will never go back to that if I could ever help it!!

Mark Vuleta
23rd of November 2006 (Thu), 02:56
No, didn't get him, these are the last two of a series of five but it was close, there is a reason not to be on the outside of corners

Nzshrimper
23rd of November 2006 (Thu), 02:59
I think this has been my busiest month ever. I have taken over 3000 photos.
Mark, how many points do they get for hitting a photographer? Did he get him?

Weka... You left your lens out overnight???!!!
and his 5d...:lol: :lol:

Nzshrimper
23rd of November 2006 (Thu), 03:01
Very well thanks, It looks like I have done it, I was a bit concerned about file size, not sure how people on dial-up can put up with it these days, will never go back to that if I could ever help it!!
telecoms broadband and dial up theres a difference.. ???