GKPE: General Ramblings thread

[theflyingkiwi]

all welcome to come over for coffee and have look see. Im home all weekend

and the fact that the coffee comes with a hammer :) has nothing to do with it. :lol:

[weka2000]

and the fact that the coffee comes with a hammer :) has nothing to do with it. :lol:

You mean chainsaw. I have a row of hedge to come out 3 trees in the back and 2 in the front. That will be a start :lol:

[forsaken]

I kept declining, as was too busy, so Simon managed to get the contacts. I bet they'll be favouring him this year for always willing to do it. :)


need to have a talk to Thomas because if there is nothing in it for us this year then whats the point? Last year I was basiclly just using as practice and feel that now there should be something more in it.

[Wazza]

After seeing your images this year to last year, you've improved incredibly, and definately worth paying, and use in mags/newspapers.

Does it really hurt to pay even say $200 a day for the top couple of people, and providing all the images too.

They did mention last year there was no budget for it, but 2007 is a new year, they really should be thanking the ones who get the imagery out there to the country.

[Nzshrimper]

After seeing your images this year to last year, you've improved incredibly, and definately worth paying, and use in mags/newspapers.

Does it really hurt to pay even say $200 a day for the top couple of people, and providing all the images too.

They did mention last year there was no budget for it, but 2007 is a new year, they really should be thanking the ones who get the imagery out there to the country.
totaly agree,,,

[Nzshrimper]

reload time..
after carefully backing up and locating of all drivers.. its time to run Vista business. fingers crossed... (also new gc helps and little more ram)

[Moppie]

Good luck!

Lets hope it hasn't got a direct connection to the IRD ;)

[dgcorner]

Good luck Chris! I'm still waiting for my upgrade to arrive...

[naqs]

reload time..
after carefully backing up and locating of all drivers.. its time to run Vista business. fingers crossed... (also new gc helps and little more ram)

Let us know if it is really worth spending the money... or if its one of those things you wait a few months for the price to come down before purchasing

[Nzshrimper]

Good luck!

Lets hope it hasn't got a direct connection to the IRD ;)

Good luck Chris! I'm still waiting for my upgrade to arrive...

lol - not using the upgrade... i am going for the clean install.
there is a way of installing direct from the DVD without installing the key - then reinstalling as upgrade with the key ... this keeps the install very clean.. (it also allows people to buy the upgrade pack from the shop and installing it as a complete product.. ( so you can get Vista Ultimate upgrade) in install the software on three PC's (two vista home - One Vista Ultimate) for less than the price of vista home full retail...

nice..

[Nzshrimper]

Let us know if it is really worth spending the money... or if its one of those things you wait a few months for the price to come down before purchasing
got mine free from microsoft.. :D - and i get office 2007 nxt week...

[lil_miss]

Had it - hated it - it couldnt handle CS3 - well it did but VERY slowly... went back to XP

[Nzshrimper]

Had it - hated it - it couldnt handle CS3 - well it did but VERY slowly... went back to XP
how much ram did it have to play with.. and what was your processor..

[Nzshrimper]

any of you guys got any pics of the comet on close up tonight.

They are doing a feature on photos of the comet..

[tag141]

lol - not using the upgrade... i am going for the clean install.
there is a way of installing direct from the DVD without installing the key - then reinstalling as upgrade with the key ... this keeps the install very clean.. (it also allows people to buy the upgrade pack from the shop and installing it as a complete product.. ( so you can get Vista Ultimate upgrade) in install the software on three PC's (two vista home - One Vista Ultimate) for less than the price of vista home full retail...

nice..

I'm trying out the 'Dr Chang' with RC1. Don't know if it will work though.

[Nzshrimper]

I'm trying out the 'Dr Chang' with RC1. Don't know if it will work though.
??

dr chang...

[Mark Vuleta]

Go Crusaders!!

[weka2000]

Well im sick of 128k upload. All my PC connections are up. Toying with xtra max max $80 per month and getting work to cover some of the cost due to dialing in to work to do bits and bobs.

Started on the studio and cutting down trees.

[tag141]

Go Theresa!

Go Crusaders!!

Are they playing each other tonight?

[tim]

Taken today in town, with my phone.

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j295/kiwirant/WellingtonSevens.jpg

After seeing your images this year to last year, you've improved incredibly, and definately worth paying, and use in mags/newspapers.

Does it really hurt to pay even say $200 a day for the top couple of people, and providing all the images too.

They did mention last year there was no budget for it, but 2007 is a new year, they really should be thanking the ones who get the imagery out there to the country.

(Having not read the whole story I might be way off track) Don't get distracted when people offer you $200 instead of nothing for photography. I wouldn't get out of bed for that, unless it was little work and ongoing, even then maybe not. Remember your overheads - cameras, lenses, travel, prep time, etc. I might do a portrait session for $500, including some smaller prints, any less it's just not worth the time and effort.

Wazza especially, since i've seen more of your work than others, i'd ask for a day rate of somewhere between $500 and $1500.

[weka2000]

Oh and I have to repaint the entire inside of the house.

So who has vista running and what do you think of it?

Tim short of females models in Welly :)

[DiscoLizard]

Oh and I have to repaint the entire inside of the house.

So who has vista running and what do you think of it?

Tim short of females models in Welly :)


Why in gods name would you install vista?

Nice shot Tim - will have to find out where he bought Borats suit, I might have to get one myself.

[Nzshrimper]

Why in gods name would you install vista?

Nice shot Tim - will have to find out where he bought Borats suit, I might have to get one myself.
I am an Athisist. so no worries., and i think its about time i upgraded from 98...

and Tony not just yet just checking my images of the my xp load .. i may want to roll back.. but very soon..

[DiscoLizard]

I am an Athisist. so no worries., and i think its about time i upgraded from 98...

and Tony not just yet just checking my images of the my xp load .. i may want to roll back.. but very soon..

'98? And you're not connected to the net.... Last time I re-installed my parents computer for them, it took about 5 mins from a fresh install to the first virus (not even enough time to download the latest patches), and that was with xp home.

[Nzshrimper]

'98? And you're not connected to the net.... Last time I re-installed my parents computer for them, it took about 5 mins from a fresh install to the first virus (not even enough time to download the latest patches), and that was with xp home.
nice.. (and i am not running 98... ) lol

one of the techies at work plugged a customers PC in to the wrong network at work (the clean one) we had 10 new units in the process of preinstall all infected by the trojan..- he had lots of overtime that weekend.. (not paid) :D

[tag141]

Taken today in town, with my phone.

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j295/kiwirant/WellingtonSevens.jpg



That's a shocking self portrait !!!

[Nzshrimper]

its unusual to see a Jew next to a suicide bomber.. don't they normally take a bus..

[momentz]

I'm running Vista (rc1). Runs very well on my 6 month old box.
As lil miss has said, over a year old and you're asking for frustration.

In a corporate environment I can't see a single reason to upgrade. Home users yes - there's better security and very nice gfx, but you really want 256mb gfx card, 1gb ram+, 2gig processor+ to run it reasonably.

Can't run it useably on a p4 2.6 with 2gb ram and onboard gfx at work. The new gfx engine SUCKS processor power if you don't have a gfx card, even with the windows classic theme.

[lil_miss]

how much ram did it have to play with.. and what was your processor..

1gb ram, 2.6ghz processor... a little more than probably some home user pc's.. XP runs CS3 like a dream.. Vista was a nightmare for processing RAW. Too many bells and whistles... also had lots of errors popping up.. got far too annoying in the end.

[Nzshrimper]

I'm running Vista (rc1). Runs very well on my 6 month old box.
As lil miss has said, over a year old and you're asking for frustration.

In a corporate environment I can't see a single reason to upgrade. Home users yes - there's better security and very nice gfx, but you really want 256mb gfx card, 1gb ram+, 2gig processor+ to run it reasonably.

Can't run it useably on a p4 2.6 with 2gb ram and onboard gfx at work. The new gfx engine SUCKS processor power if you don't have a gfx card, even with the windows classic theme.
so my 3.2 p4 ht - 2gb of ram - and Nvida 256mb gfx should cope.

i do have another 2 Gb of ram but i want that for the server i am building. (might try it to see how snappy i can make it thou.. )

[momentz]

so my 3.2 p4 ht - 2gb of ram - and Nvida 256mb gfx should cope.

i do have another 2 Gb of ram but i want that for the server i am building. (might try it to see how snappy i can make it thou.. )

Yep, that should run it as it should be. I wouldn't bother with the extra ram unless you install 64bit. I occasionally get the odd glitch, but it is RC1 afterall. Hopefully get a full version in the near future. Business has everything apart from the 'ultimate extras' so you'll be set.

[Nzshrimper]

Yep, that should run it as it should be. I wouldn't bother with the extra ram unless you install 64bit. I occasionally get the odd glitch, but it is RC1 afterall. Hopefully get a full version in the near future. Business has everything apart from the 'ultimate extras' so you'll be set.
sign up for the microsoft resellers roadshow.. they feed you water you and give you free software... you just prentend that that you will sell the product. :D see microsoft nz website. search roadshows.

[weka2000]

I will wait till mine is free with the Min of Ed and M$ agreement. That will cover office as well.

Started collecting Vista books via giganews so will have a read up as no doubt teacher will get it and I will have to fix it :rolleyes:

[momentz]

sign up for the microsoft resellers roadshow.. they feed you water you and give you free software... you just prentend that that you will sell the product. :D see microsoft nz website. search roadshows.

Cool :D I might even get work to give me the day off to go, me being a software specialist and all :D

[Wazza]

A full day rate of motorsport should be around $400-600 for the average pro.

I doubt anyone can get $1500.. Even working for Porsche or somewhere.

Pro, and good photographer, Ron Burgin does a lot of motorsport photography, and agrees there's not much to be paid. The best markest to aim for is to sell the images to the sponsors for several hundred, easier than trying to be overpaid from track organisers .

Anyway, I probably made several hundred from the past couple of drift events, but that was through selling just a couple of images for posters. ;)

[naqs]

A full day rate of motorsport should be around $400-600 for the average pro.

I doubt anyone can get $1500.. Even working for Porsche or somewhere.

Pro, and good photographer, Ron Burgin does a lot of motorsport photography, and agrees there's not much to be paid. The best markest to aim for is to sell the images to the sponsors for several hundred, easier than trying to be overpaid from track organisers .

Anyway, I probably made several hundred from the past couple of drift events, but that was through selling just a couple of images for posters. ;)

yea well I do know a guy who did a shoot for Mitsubishi awhile back and he got paid US$10,000 for the shoot and around $1500 for ever shot used in the brochures.

[CliveyBoy]

yea well I do know a guy who did a shoot for Mitsubishi awhile back and he got paid US$10,000 for the shoot and around $1500 for ever shot used in the brochures.
Isn't there a big commercial difference between a comissioned shoot, and "hey you were there for yourself anyway" casual shots?

And Mitsubishi will have selected the photographer because he had qualities they wanted based on previous performance.

[Nzshrimper]

yea well I do know a guy who did a shoot for Mitsubishi awhile back and he got paid US$10,000 for the shoot and around $1500 for ever shot used in the brochures.
thats a bit like comparing the wedding photographer and a guest at the wedding.

[weka2000]

So whats everyone upto :lol:

9 cubic Meter bin comming this afternoon. Time to clean up. Better buy some new plants next pay. Fruit trees. If the tree is usless then it goes.

Should have done some before and after shoots keeping it on a photography topic :rolleyes:

[Nzshrimper]

So whats everyone upto :lol:

9 cubic Meter bin comming this afternoon. Time to clean up. Better buy some new plants next pay. Fruit trees. If the tree is usless then it goes.

Should have done some before and after shoots keeping it on a photography topic :rolleyes:
Just vista up and running with all my apps and printers etc..

all working so far runs smoothly .. only one issues was AV not running (fixed that with a download)

system uses about 512 of ram comstanly and processor runs at 5 % on average. so not to bad..

needs more testing thou .. (this afternoons job)

[theflyingkiwi]

So whats everyone upto :lol:

9 cubic Meter bin comming this afternoon. Time to clean up. Better buy some new plants next pay. Fruit trees. If the tree is usless then it goes.

Should have done some before and after shoots keeping it on a photography topic :rolleyes:

You know just because a tree doesn't have fruit, doesn't mean it's worthless. Talk about old fashion :p

I would be planting natives etc and see if it will attract the native birds etc. However cats in the area might hinder that :(

Just vista up and running with all my apps and printers etc..

all working so far runs smoothly .. only one issues was AV not running (fixed that with a download)

system uses about 512 of ram comstanly and processor runs at 5 % on average. so not to bad..

needs more testing thou .. (this afternoons job)

ohh the fun. NOT. I am going to wait till SP1 for Vista comes out. 512mb of ram just for the OS. come on MS I am sure you can do better than that.

[lil_miss]

Relaxing today after the last hectic week! :) Done some housework like a good housewife! :D

[forsaken]

playing with the 180 working out what interior parts are missing.

may have to take some update photos

[Nzshrimper]

now that has finshed and all running.. time to get the website sorted..

[naqs]

anyone know of someone who prints business cards cheap... or reasonably cheap.

[Nzshrimper]

anyone know of someone who prints business cards cheap... or reasonably cheap.

http://www.clickbusinesscards.co.nz/

[lil_miss]

Yeah I need to get some more printed as well

[Mark Vuleta]

So whats everyone upto :lol: :rolleyes:

Put a roof on this morning, got home, just got up from a kip and getting ready for fancy dress party tonight

I think I would rather chop trees than roofing!!!

I did a big trim last Saturday, have a big pile of branches to get mulched, must get on to it!!???:evil:

[Nzshrimper]

just been checking out some up and coming events when i found this ..

http://www.driftsouth.org.nz/forum/index.php

The cheeky beggers... 8 unsanctioned images...
(nice to see my images used but that takes the p1ss)
I have asked for them to be removed.

[tag141]

just been checking out some up and coming events when i found this ..

http://www.driftsouth.org.nz/forum/index.php

The cheeky beggers... 8 unsanctioned images...
(nice to see my images used but that takes the p1ss)
I have asked for them to be removed.

Nice of them to ask :rolleyes:. Send them an invoice...at Tims prices ;).

[Nzshrimper]

Nice of them to ask :rolleyes:. Send them an invoice...at Tims prices ;).
thats what i am doing..

8 * $125 = half a new lens for me..

[theflyingkiwi]

just been checking out some up and coming events when i found this ..

http://www.driftsouth.org.nz/forum/index.php

The cheeky beggers... 8 unsanctioned images...
(nice to see my images used but that takes the p1ss)
I have asked for them to be removed.

that's typical, if they try to get it for nothing they will.

[Wazza]

That's their normal process. Your images will be used in their small web based media release.
However it has your name, and how else are you meant to get people asking for images?

For the record - D1NZ have never paid for images, only all the other sponsors etc.


And where can you justify $125 from?

Coz you probably didn't sign their media release thingy, which gives them free use of your images, in return for free entry to market yourself for private sales. I do think they should pay still though.

FYI, they also owe about $4K for wrecking part of Taupo track at Round 5 last season, and no drifting is allowed there till it's paid. Their poor for money

[Nzshrimper]

That's their normal process. Your images will be used in their small web based media release.
However it has your name, and how else are you meant to get people asking for images?

For the record - D1NZ have never paid for images, only all the other sponsors etc.


And where can you justify $125 from?

Coz you probably didn't sign their media release thingy, which gives them free use of your images, in return for free entry to market yourself for private sales. I do think they should pay still though.

FYI, they also owe about $4K for wrecking part of Taupo track at Round 5 last season, and no drifting is allowed there till it's paid. Their poor for money

I made it very clear that the 8 images i provided were only for the D1NZ site. It was clearly stated in the email that the images were attached what the terms of use were. and by accepting the images they understood and accepted the terms and conditions. I also still maintained full rights on the images. (part of the t&g's)

$125 - just a figure i plucked out the air in response to Tag's post. :D

my gripe with it is that i was talking to drift south re images and covering events and then i find this.. I would like to know where the images are going.

but as i said it is nice to see the images out there.. Yep i heard about the track in Taupo.

I am not trying to make millions just a little to allow me to cover more events and get some better gear.

[naqs]

I made it very clear that the 8 images i provided were only for the D1NZ site. It was clearly stated in the email that the images were attached what the terms of use were. and by accepting the images they understood and accepted the terms and conditions. I also still maintained full rights on the images. (part of the t&g's)

$125 - just a figure i plucked out the air in response to Tag's post. :D

my gripe with it is that i was talking to drift south re images and covering events and then i find this.. I would like to know where the images are going.

but as i said it is nice to see the images out there.. Yep i heard about the track in Taupo.

I am not trying to make millions just a little to allow me to cover more events and get some better gear.

did anyone mention that those shots are just premo... :D

[Nzshrimper]

did anyone mention that those shots are just premo... :D
thanks

[Wazza]

What you have to watch for is the ones who profit from this.

Well excluding D1NZ anyway. ;)

Such as small car parts companies, stealing their sponsored car images, and publishing them in NZ Performance Car mag - I've seen that happen before!

My condition with D1 for web stuff, is they must always mention photo by Warren Williams
Usually they'll have "Photo Courtesy of Warren Williams - D1NZ"

Stuff like this I got paid for:
http://www.motorsport.org.nz/Pdf/SportNews.pdf

Maybe you should look around the net a bit.

They often show pics to:
http://www.nzmotorsport.co.nz/content/newsimage.cfm?id=7500
http://www.nzmotorsport.co.nz/content/newsarticle.cfm?pLive&id=10025

But will always give credit to yourself.
Be firm, but kinda soft, if you wish them to forward your name through, but remind them of your own conditions, and they really should have asked first. :)

[Nzshrimper]

hey thats four publications - one event.. lol

at least now when applying for media passes and they ask have you been published - i can say yep and link the sites.. ;)

[weka2000]

At last my day is over 7am till 10ish 14hr day all phycial work. Maybe the biys out east should have come over :lol:

Well section is done and the 9cu bin is just about full. Should have earned a good days worth of brownie points with my wife. Now I just need to keep my mouth shut and I may get to collect them :rolleyes:

I know why I have up manual labour Im stuffed, easy day tommorow.
Nite all

Oh Mark. We already have Tuis around here so to kowhai in the front of the house will be planed, there is a kauri in the back as well as a few other things. So I will put in some citrus tress. and some grape vines.

[Moppie]

FYI, they also owe about $4K for wrecking part of Taupo track at Round 5 last season, and no drifting is allowed there till it's paid. Their poor for money


Any club that can do that much damage to a track, needs to think very strongly about what sort of events thier running, and who they are letting run.

Respect for the track, other competitors, and others with in the "sport" is a very big thing in NZ motorsport, and if they can't show that to others then they will never succed.
Quite simply they will get progessivly banned from tracks and the sort of events they need to participate in if they want to be succesful.
Drifting in Japan might have a mysitcal history of under ground racing on back roads, but that ended about 20 years ago.
Now they are a big budget, proffesional operation, and D1NZ needs to follow that level of proffesionalism if they want to be respected enough to be succesful.

Owing money to a track because they damaged it is not proffesional, neither is miss useing a photographers images, especialy when those images are provided in good faith as a way of helping the "sport" grow.

The last thing they need is a reputation for being hoons who just like to do skids.

[theflyingkiwi]

Oh Mark. We already have Tuis around here so to kowhai in the front of the house will be planed, there is a kauri in the back as well as a few other things. So I will put in some citrus tress. and some grape vines.

that will be cool. I wouldn't mind getting more shots of some tuis. so know that you got some grapes are you going to be making you own wine? :lol:

[Nzshrimper]

Any club that can do that much damage to a track, needs to think very strongly about what sort of events thier running, and who they are letting run.

Respect for the track, other competitors, and others with in the "sport" is a very big thing in NZ motorsport, and if they can't show that to others then they will never succed.
Quite simply they will get progessivly banned from tracks and the sort of events they need to participate in if they want to be succesful.
Drifting in Japan might have a mysitcal history of under ground racing on back roads, but that ended about 20 years ago.
Now they are a big budget, proffesional operation, and D1NZ needs to follow that level of proffesionalism if they want to be respected enough to be succesful.

Owing money to a track because they damaged it is not proffesional, neither is miss useing a photographers images, especialy when those images are provided in good faith as a way of helping the "sport" grow.

The last thing they need is a reputation for being hoons who just like to do skids.
spot on...

[weka2000]

The last thing they need is a reputation for being hoons who just like to do skids.

What so they are not :lol:

[theflyingkiwi]

What so they are not :lol:

I think they would like to think they not. But if they wont to seem more than just hoons they as moppie said, they have to be more professional.

stealing photos isn't the way to go.

[Nzshrimper]

What so they are not :lol:

some of the guys who race are very professional at what they do, having spent the weekend with them it opened my eyes to the prep that they carry out on the cars. Surely using a racetrack is better than state highway 62.

I think they would like to think they not. But if they wont to seem more than just hoons they as moppie said, they have to be more professional.

stealing photos isn't the way to go.

I don't think they have stolen them - just used them with out my permission. Or have misunderstood what they could with them. I'll have a chat with them on Monday to sort it all out.. its just not a good look .. I did gain a huge amount of experience on the shoot and have some great images for my portfolio.. so all is not lost... I also have the high res shots tucked away in my hard drive. So if the magazines want the shots then they can deal with me.. :D (its a valuable lesson learnt).. anyway whats every one up to .. any of our chch viewers fancy a late evening shoot accross the city from the hills.

[theflyingkiwi]

well in that case then I will go to Microsoft and say that I am going to use vista with out paying them for it.

I am sure they wont see that as stealing.

[Nzshrimper]

well in that case then I will go to Microsoft and say that I am going to use vista with out paying them for it.

I am sure they wont see that as stealing.
no that is stealing, due to the fact that you have to navigate your way around anti copy and piracy measures, there is no way you can say sorry i did not know.

anyway Vista on a Mac.. ??? why.. lol

and after Monday if i don't get what i want then it is stealing.. at the moment its a misunderstanding.. everyone is innocent until proven guilty. ;)

[tag141]

Any club that can do that much damage to a track, needs to think very strongly about what sort of events thier running, and who they are letting run.

Respect for the track, other competitors, and others with in the "sport" is a very big thing in NZ motorsport, and if they can't show that to others then they will never succed.
Quite simply they will get progessivly banned from tracks and the sort of events they need to participate in if they want to be succesful.
Drifting in Japan might have a mysitcal history of under ground racing on back roads, but that ended about 20 years ago.
Now they are a big budget, proffesional operation, and D1NZ needs to follow that level of proffesionalism if they want to be respected enough to be succesful.

Owing money to a track because they damaged it is not proffesional, neither is miss useing a photographers images, especialy when those images are provided in good faith as a way of helping the "sport" grow.

The last thing they need is a reputation for being hoons who just like to do skids.

Now I know why Teretonga didn't want to host a round. I heard a whisper they didn't want people 'ripping up their track"

[Cyborg Death Ninja]

Any club that can do that much damage to a track, needs to think very strongly about what sort of events thier running, and who they are letting run.

Respect for the track, other competitors, and others with in the "sport" is a very big thing in NZ motorsport, and if they can't show that to others then they will never succed.
Quite simply they will get progessivly banned from tracks and the sort of events they need to participate in if they want to be succesful.
Drifting in Japan might have a mysitcal history of under ground racing on back roads, but that ended about 20 years ago.
Now they are a big budget, proffesional operation, and D1NZ needs to follow that level of proffesionalism if they want to be respected enough to be succesful.

Owing money to a track because they damaged it is not proffesional, neither is miss useing a photographers images, especialy when those images are provided in good faith as a way of helping the "sport" grow.

The last thing they need is a reputation for being hoons who just like to do skids.
Bang on. I also love the way you quoted "sport" throughout whole post,.. I know I have to be careful here because there's people here that enjoy and follow the "sport" but I've always hated that these guys get lumped under the category of motorsport. It really urks me, I see it more as avoiding motorsport by not bothering to learn how to drive a track properly.

And people always say to me "well it's better that they're doing it on a track and not a open street." Is it? I think it's just as ridiculous to misuse a track as a street.

But as always everyone to their own.

/End rant.

[Nzshrimper]

Bang on. I also love the way you quoted "sport" throughout whole post,.. I know I have to be careful here because there's people here that enjoy and follow the "sport" but I've always hated that these guys get lumped under the category of motorsport. It really urks me, I see it more as avoiding motorsport by not bothering to learn how to drive a track properly.

And people always say to me "well it's better that they're doing it on a track and not a open street." Is it? I think it's just as ridiculous to misuse a track as a street.

But as always everyone to their own.

/End rant.
sport



• noun 1 an activity involving physical exertion and/ or skill in which an individual or team competes against another or others. 2 informal a person who behaves in a good or specified way in response to teasing, defeat, etc. 3 success or pleasure derived from an activity such as hunting. 4 dated entertainment; fun. 5 chiefly Austral./NZ a friendly form of address, especially between unacquainted men. 6 Biology an animal or plant showing abnormal or striking variation from the parent type as a result of spontaneous mutation. • verb 1 wear or display (a distinctive item). 2 amuse oneself or play in a lively way.

so drifting is a sport.. just not one you like. Some of these guys are very professional. Its like nascar whats the point.. turn left turn left turn left..etc.. its going around a roundabout 200 times at 320 kmh .. why? whats wrong with using the steering wheel and driving around corners or are these guys not bothering to learn how to drive.. ??

[Cyborg Death Ninja]

Exactly, Nascar sucks too... lol.
Just to be clear I'm not debating whether or not it is a sport, I'm just saying that I don't see it as motorsport in the traditional sense. To me it's like saying swiming and fishing are both watersports because they both use the water. In my opinion drifting should be lumped in with the other redundant 'X' style "sports" instead of motorsport.
You are right about one thing tho:
so drifting is a sport.. just not one you like.

It's all my opinion, you're welcome to debate it but it's not gonna change the world...

[Moppie]

The problem I have with drifting is the skill level credited to the drivers, and the idea that its racing.

People try and drift thier road cars, and then think that a drift car handles the same way, so it much be all about driver skill.
These are generaly the same people who think thier VT comonwhore is the same as Greg Murphys V8 super car.

Drift cars are no different than any other race car, they are set up in such away that there is a gross in-balance in traction between the front and rear.
They are set up so they handle better going sideways than they do going in a straight line.

While there is still skill involved in driving them, its no more than driving any other race car.

The racing aspect is also very limited, drifting is judged, based on style, its the motor sport equivalent of ice skating.


The Damage they do to tracks is another problem.
Iv seen them run lines around corners that have destroyed the infield and damaged run off areas.
Very expensice, and time consuming things to fix.
There are corners at Taupo and Puke, where during event, if they are cut the drivers are black flagged.
The drifers need to take the same approach, and penalise drivers who intentionaly damage the tracks.

There is also a problem with amount of rubber they leave on the track.
Part of the "showmanship" is producing lots of tyre smoke, and of course any sustained loss of traction will leave rubber on the track.
Anyone who has tried to race hard on a track knows that you stay off other peoples skid marks.
If you cover a whole track in skid marks, you create slippery patches all around it.
Great for the drifters, not so for the Transams.

[Nzshrimper]

damage to the track and p1ssing off people who try to help them is wrong. needs to addressed and stomped on. as for leaving rubber everywhere,, not much can be done about that... i play soccer in the winter and cricket in the summer.. and playing cricket on field that some soccer yob has tramped up and down with his sprigs on.. is no fun.. but you just have to adjust and get on with it..

thy had this debate when snowboards and snowboarding started to take off.

One last point before we get back to photography.. the event last weekend was run jointly with a t2 race event.. the organiser reported gate receipts of 50% higher this year than last year... and they said drifting was the reason for this.. so it cant all be bad .. the hoons came in to watch drifting and got to cheer on truck racing etc.. some of those will be back to watch other events. $$$

[Cyborg Death Ninja]

Moppie tells it how it is... again.

[Cyborg Death Ninja]

Yeah I don't deny that drifting creates a lot of revenue, there's definitely a lot of kids that think it's the bees knees, but it's kinda like 'War of the Worlds',.. yeah the remake made a lot more money than the original but it doesn't mean to say that its more note worthy.

The problem I have with drifting is the skill level credited to the drivers, and the idea that its racing.I'll never forget when a friend of mine tried to tell me that drifting is faster than driving through corner whilst keeping traction, I said "Well why don't F1 cars drift then",.. He said "Well that's different"... I just laughed at let him get back to watching the 'Fast and the Furious'.

[Nzshrimper]

Super 14 pass arrived.. whooh...

[akiwi]

Well, I must admit before this thread/discussion I had never heard of drifting. Sounds like it would be fun to watch.

Posted a couple more shots in the G&N section if anyone is interested http://www.photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=271831#post2649989

[Moppie]

Sounds like it would be fun to watch.




Deffinitly entertaining :)

Part of the problem also comes from the old hands with in the motorsport comunitity, they make it very hard for drifting simply because its different, and they don't understand it.
But thats only a good reason for the drifters to work extra hard.
:)

[TKRFAN]

OK, I'll wade into the drifting debate....

Surely if tracks are going to be worried about damage, this factor should (and in some cases probably already is) be built into the track hireage fee. Otherwise, as has been mentioned already, the sport will be limited to a few tracks only if damage is excessive.

This has already happened wth the truck racing, which IMHO is very near death, as over the last few years the level of the sport has declined (with the absence of Inky Tulloch and Robin and Andrew Porter, and no internationals coming over), and there are now only two tracks in the country which allow the racing (Timaru and Manfeild). The trucks just don't pull the crowds anymore (at Manfeild anyway), and the other reason the tracks are limited is the damage they do to the surface, particularly in a crash.

I would like to see drifting given a fair go, as no matter whether you think it is a sport or not, it DOES get people off the roads, and that can only be a good thing! If more people get involved and start competing, then any track 'bond' costs will be spread thinner, and entry fees won't go up that much..

Just my 5c worth :)

[tag141]

it DOES get people off the roads.

Well...the ones that can afford it. From my experience down here there's a high percentage that can't/don't want to pay to get in to see an event. And once they're in, they simply want to get pi55ed. This happened with the drags I went to last year and I will NEVER go back. A car pulled up next to me with about 12 people in it. They all pulled out boxes of beer and started drinking taking no notice of what was going on, on the track. What's the point. They are the ones that will go and try and lay two strips of rubber as far as they can up the road. The idiot that tried doing it last week outside my house laid 200 metres of rubber. Quite impressive but he kept going and crossed SH6 without stopping !!! I have a nasty feeling this will happen with drifting. They'll go to the track and think they can do better but it will be on the road. Am I stereotyping? probably but it's what I believe will happen.

Has anyone taken photos !!!

[Nzshrimper]

Has anyone taken photos !!!

i have .. and not a car insight..

[MattL]

Has anyone taken photos !!!

heres what i did to my bathroom : its a photo :P

144416

[theflyingkiwi]

so who's been out with the camera today?

[theflyingkiwi]

heres what i did to my bathroom : its a photo :P

144416

I hope ya not going to leave it like that :lol: but at least it's a photo

[MattL]

yeah, it'll stay like that for another week or so before i find the time to start on it again. :S

[theflyingkiwi]

yeah, it'll stay like that for another week or so before i find the time to start on it again. :S

Just think if you leave it like that for a few years you could be on TV :lol:

[Nzshrimper]

hey Matt i would move the piece of timber from the floor if i were you.. - a drunken stumble into the bathroom and whamo you stand on that nail sticking out.. they may smart just a tad.. ;)

[MattL]

hey Matt i would move the piece of timber from the floor if i were you.. - a drunken stumble into the bathroom and whamo you stand on that nail sticking out.. they may smart just a tad.. ;)
hmm yeah might do that in the morning.. once my current drunken haze wears off..

[forsaken]

I have a nasty feeling this will happen with drifting. They'll go to the track and think they can do better but it will be on the road. Am I stereotyping? probably but it's what I believe will happen.

I have to agree there but that happens with any form of motorsport, any drag meet you will get people racing on their way home, drifting is no different and I bet that after the A1GP they had more people racing the streets around Taupo. Its simple human/ hoon nature.

they just need to spend a day out in the middle of the track taking photos, by the end of the day your too shattered to race home :rolleyes:

[forsaken]

will have to get some paid photography soon just spent $1500 for a new front for my car. Pics will follow when I get some work done

[Nzshrimper]

one last sunset...

[NordieBoy]

Has anyone taken photos !!!

Plenty of drifting but no cars in sight...

http://potn.nelson.geek.nz/20070204-112338.jpg

[momentz]

Plenty of drifting but no cars in sight...

Awesome shot NordieBoy !

[Wazza]

Bit quiet around here, what is everyone doing?

Kirst is working, unfortunate for her. However cooking dinner tonight.

Bought some hub caps for $20 for my car, and then will sell on trademe.

Also looking at making an update to my website/blog, with several different shoots, couple weddings, Fiji trip. Enough to keep me busy.

Guess everyone else is working :p

[tag141]

Guess everyone else is working :p

No, I start at 16.30 :(. Just enjoying the sun at the moment.

Emailed Canon about my camera last Wednesday. Guy said the engineers haven't even looked at it yet. I told them it has to be back by this Wednesday...not a chance I think.

[Wazza]

Bugger.
When did you put yours in? I'm sure it was in before mine.

My 4-5 weddings are rapidly approaching.. In fact, Drifting this Sunday, and Wedding on 17th Feb...

It's been 3 weeks tomorrow, and that's what they said it would take - 2 to 3 weeks.


Also, who's ready for faster.. I mean slower broadband?
http://www.stuff.co.nz/3949271a28.html

[Wazza]

So I have an email saying naqs has responded, about the Telecom deal, and won't be jumping in..

Yet there's no post here?!

[weka2000]

Weka is comming live from Vista Business edition :lol:

Mattl been there done that...thats why we spent to get a house that didnt need any work.

I am the official photographer for tomorrows unvailing of the canon at Mangere Bridge . Helan and Barry will be there along with a few others
Sandra will be doing the video.

There are ment to be a few newspaper photographers as well, just come back from a visit of the person who started it all.

Well The gardens are now complete.

Started wiring the studio and geting that underway. I have to reputty a couple of windows which has caused rot so will need to get that sorted out.

We have picked the colours for the inside so I will have the whole inside to paint.

Oh well least its keeping me out of trouble :rolleyes:

[Nzshrimper]

Weka is comming live from Vista Business edition :lol:


well thats 2 of us then..

[scotttnz]

Yeah for crappy old houses! I am in exterior window painting mode at the moment, plenty of rot to take care of along the way. 3.75 down, 10.25 to go. Then on to the cladding!

[theflyingkiwi]

you know there is a couple of things I don't understand

why run vista now? I am going to wait a few months.

2nd why do up a house. yea I know it should increase the value of the house but that's only going to be in the long term.

but anyway each to there own

[naqs]

So I have an email saying naqs has responded, about the Telecom deal, and won't be jumping in..

Yet there's no post here?!

yea sorry about that... I had a look into it, sounds too good to be true, typical Telecom

[Nzshrimper]

you know there is a couple of things I don't understand

why run vista now? I am going to wait a few months.

2nd why do up a house. yea I know it should increase the value of the house but that's only going to be in the long term.

but anyway each to there own
if no one runs vista now then who is there to report the bugs.. so there will be no sp1..

[weka2000]

Yeah for crappy old houses! I am in exterior window painting mode at the moment, plenty of rot to take care of along the way. 3.75 down, 10.25 to go. Then on to the cladding!


Come over when you are finished. Oh enamel only on the outside. Bring loooong ladder for the second story windows

[weka2000]

you know there is a couple of things I don't understand

why run vista now? I am going to wait a few months.

2nd why do up a house. yea I know it should increase the value of the house but that's only going to be in the long term.

but anyway each to there own

Umm or just sit on your butt and watch TV :p
That will cause growth.

[tag141]

Micro$oft should make Windows NBS version (No bulls**t version). A basic OS with no frills and no extras. Would take up about 500MB. No notepad, no movie maker (who uses that anyway?), no IIS, no IE. Nothing, Nada, zip, zilch, nichts (that's for Akiwi). You can't run f all on it as it stands. Then they can sell all those annoying bits as add-ons/downloads at a premo price or intelligent users can get their software from other companies, that's my late night work theory anyway, and everyones happy :D .

[forsaken]

Guess everyone else is working :p


nah took the cat to the vet for his final check up (hes all fine again now) then helped a mate change the gearbox on his car (third gear lasted 1 day after his engine rebuild) I figure if I help them now they should help me when I need halp on mine :)

[NordieBoy]

Bugger.
When did you put yours in? I'm sure it was in before mine.

My 4-5 weddings are rapidly approaching.. In fact, Drifting this Sunday, and Wedding on 17th Feb...

It's been 3 weeks tomorrow, and that's what they said it would take - 2 to 3 weeks.

I'm still waiting for a mates 200 f2.8 to come back.
We sent it off in late November.
They returned it once "unrepaired as specified".
Ummm.... No.... We wanted it fixed....
"Oops" says Canon....

[theflyingkiwi]

if no one runs vista now then who is there to report the bugs.. so there will be no sp1..

True, I don't and have never reported any bugs to Microsoft. there are plenty of other people out there willing to do the job.

Umm or just sit on your butt and watch TV :p
That will cause growth.

yep got that growth and now I am trying to get rid of it. However while I can swing a hammer I am not nor will I ever be good enough to do up a house.

[weka2000]

yep got that growth and now I am trying to get rid of it. However while I can swing a hammer I am not nor will I ever be good enough to do up a house.

Do ups are fun, as long as you know whats involved. My first house took 10yrs to finish and then I sold it :lol:

[MattL]

Yeah for crappy old houses! I am in exterior window painting mode at the moment, plenty of rot to take care of along the way. 3.75 down, 10.25 to go. Then on to the cladding!

GKPE Crappy Old Houses!


2nd why do up a house. yea I know it should increase the value of the house but that's only going to be in the long term.

And whats wrong with thinking about the long term?

Also, whats wrong with the short term? I don't like standing in a tub to take a shower, so im putting in a real shower.. Nothing wrong with that?

People do up houses because its the single biggest purchase most people will make, they want it exactly the way they like.

[Nzshrimper]

some fireworks in the park

[weka2000]

GKPE Crappy Old Houses!
I don't like standing in a tub to take a shower, so im putting in a real shower.. Nothing wrong with that?



I need to find how to adjust the hot water presure. I dont care where I stand to have a shoer but I want a desent shower not some piddle.

I am sore with all the work Ive done. My back is saying thats enough manual work. Rest for a while.

[MattL]

I need to find how to adjust the hot water presure. I dont care where I stand to have a shoer but I want a desent shower not some piddle.

I am sore with all the work Ive done. My back is saying thats enough manual work. Rest for a while.

You will be on an unequal pressure cylindar.. you (no so) simply need to replace the hot water clyindar with a mains pressure one, and get your plumber to make some minor adjustments to the piping surrounding it.

[CliveyBoy]

Is GKPE VI still on? Who is going?

http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?p=2590384#post2590384

[weka2000]

You will be on an unequal pressure cylindar.. you (no so) simply need to replace the hot water clyindar with a mains pressure one, and get your plumber to make some minor adjustments to the piping surrounding it.

Hot water cylinder was replaced in 2001. I will see if valves are open right up. Cold water is fine.

So Matt whens the house warming ?

[momentz]

why run vista now? I am going to wait a few months.

The question I have for you is - why not? For people like us who like aesthetics (at least I hope we do - being photogs and all), Vista is leaps and bounds ahead of XP. It's stable, a pleasure to work with, and makes XP feel like a clunky win95.

The only possible reasons I can think of not to, are cost (hehe), and not up to spec hardware.

For businesses however, it's completely the opposite - there's no reason to upgrade.

[Wazza]

BLOG UPDATE! :p

www.warrenwilliams.co.nz

Added a few pics, from back in time.

Featuring a wedding, Piha, surfers and a couple of zoo pics.
Fiji pics will be to follow.

Also updated my wedding galleries, all 5 were remade with the newer version 1.8 of simpleviewer, no longer having issues of "need flash to run".. Even though people had flash on firefox.

Also the images are full 800x533, showing them as the sharpness as I edited them, so the quality looks better too. Before they were 640x427, and resizing was done in simpleviewer, so many jagged edges... All gone now. :)

[weka2000]

The question I have for you is - why not? For people like us who like aesthetics (at least I hope we do - being photogs and all), Vista is leaps and bounds ahead of XP. It's stable, a pleasure to work with, and makes XP feel like a clunky win95.

The only possible reasons I can think of not to, are cost (hehe), and not up to spec hardware.

For businesses however, it's completely the opposite - there's no reason to upgrade.

I like it. My PC is new so it runs just fine. I have only loaded vista and office 2007 Pro. See how it runs then add the other software.

I have a test 80 gig HDD that its on so not a major.

[theflyingkiwi]

I guess I could do that, however I would have to go out and by a copy of the software so it can be registered with MS. At this stage I don't see it providing anything better than XP.

Nothing like an OS that uses 1/2 of you ram before you start up a game. I feel like I have to upgrade to about 4gb just to get the performance that I am getting now with 2gb.

anyway when crysis comes out I am going to upgrade then. directx 10.

[lil_miss]

Galleries look good Warren - only thing is the images take ages to load.... :)

[DiscoLizard]

The question I have for you is - why not? For people like us who like aesthetics (at least I hope we do - being photogs and all), Vista is leaps and bounds ahead of XP. It's stable, a pleasure to work with, and makes XP feel like a clunky win95.

The only possible reasons I can think of not to, are cost (hehe), and not up to spec hardware.

For businesses however, it's completely the opposite - there's no reason to upgrade.

It's a resource hog.

It's expensive.

It has zero added functionality over windows xp.

It takes active measures to reduce the amount of control a user has over their own pc.

It is untested at any meaningful level.

Why on earth would I want to buy it to use at home?



I won't be buying it for my home pc or recommending it for the office, I'd much rather check out the various linux distros.

If you're really worried about how windows looks, there are many skinning programs available - I recommend WindowBlinds from stardock. All the "features" of vista (i.e. a "pretty" new interface) for a fraction of the price.

Windows xp is extremely stable... I've tried Vista, and to be honest, I found it more clunky than xp - there's a lot of interface changes for the sake of change.

The job of the operating system is to run programs, it should be unobtrusive and let you do your work/play without getting in the way. Vista is the least successful operating system around at doing those things as far as I can see.

[NordieBoy]

Been approached by NZ PetrolHead magazine about some drag photos from Motueka for the Feb magazine :D
Hmmm.
Ask about money or just let them use them to get my name in their system.

[Wazza]

Never give stuff for free, no one really checks the small print on who took the photos. Only becomes useful to show.

Anyway, either charge for a days coverage, or whatever, or per image published, say $20

[Wazza]

Galleries look good Warren - only thing is the images take ages to load.... :)

Thanks,

I noticed that too. Last night they were very fast, but today Xtra seems to have issues with international traffic. The site's hosted in USA to save on $$$ I simply don't have. Well I do, but would rather put it towards another camera body before anything else. :cool:

[theflyingkiwi]

Been approached by NZ PetrolHead magazine about some drag photos from Motueka for the Feb magazine :D
Hmmm.
Ask about money or just let them use them to get my name in their system.

do you know what the rest of the forum would say. If you post that question in the "The Business of Photography" section.

Get paid for it. If you offer it for nothing then that's what you are worth to them. You may think that you could get a pass for the next one etc. While that is true you are selling yourself short. In turn you are selling other photographers short.

[momentz]

It's a resource hog.

It's only ever so slightly slower than XP on hardware 12 months old or less. See reviews on Tom's hardware. No new M$ operating system has been faster than it's predecessor.

It's expensive.

XP Pro = $698, Vista Ultimate = $648 (yes you can do a clean install from the upgrade cd, as noted by microsoft internal documentation).

It has zero added functionality over windows xp.

Hmm.. added security, better searching, more intuitive interface, built in spyware protection, user account control, bit locker... etc etc. Somewhat more than zero eh?

It takes active measures to reduce the amount of control a user has over their own pc.

Please explain. I have more control over what's going on on my pc with vista, than ever before. If you're referring too DRM, well I haven't struck any of those demons yet.

It is untested at any meaningful level.

Again, please explain. It's been tested by literally MILLIONS of participants in the beta and RC programs.

Why on earth would I want to buy it to use at home?

It's better than XP on many levels. See added functionality. Perhaps not better for yourself, but for joe average who doesn't know much about pcs, it's a lot safer and more secure.
Mind you, I probably wouldn't advocate spending the money if you've already purchased XP - if you're given the upgrade option for little or no money though, I would say go for it.

I won't be buying it for my home pc or recommending it for the office, I'd much rather check out the various linux distros.

I think you'll have a lot more issues with drivers, file formats, program compatibility, games etc moving to linux, than you will to vista. But it's whatever you feel comfortable with at the end of the day.

If you're really worried about how windows looks, there are many skinning programs available - I recommend WindowBlinds from stardock. All the "features" of vista (i.e. a "pretty" new interface) for a fraction of the price.

I wouldn't. Windowblinds slows your pc down. I keep on installing it, and having to remove it within hours. Windowblinds doesn't have half the new features of vista?

Windows xp is extremely stable... I've tried Vista, and to be honest, I found it more clunky than xp - there's a lot of interface changes for the sake of change.

The job of the operating system is to run programs, it should be unobtrusive and let you do your work/play without getting in the way. Vista is the least successful operating system around at doing those things as far as I can see.

I haven't found it's gotten in the way at all? Seems good to me, my only issue is with the backup program which is a step backward and lacks the functionality of the previous versions. Honestly, I have more issues with fully service packed XP SP2 installs now, than my RC1 version of vista. Immediately after SP2 was released, XP was great, but I feel it's been going downhill. Too many patches on patches if you get my drift.

[tag141]

Been approached by NZ PetrolHead magazine about some drag photos from Motueka for the Feb magazine :D
Hmmm.
Ask about money or just let them use them to get my name in their system.

How did they get in touch with you? How did they find your contact details?

It's only ever so slightly slower than XP on hardware 12 months old or less. See reviews on Tom's hardware. No new M$ operating system has been faster than it's predecessor.



XP Pro = $698, Vista Ultimate = $648 (yes you can do a clean install from the upgrade cd, as noted by microsoft internal documentation).



Hmm.. added security, better searching, more intuitive interface, built in spyware protection, better internet browser, user account control, bit locker... etc etc. Somewhat more than zero eh?



Please explain. I have more control over what's going on on my pc with vista, than ever before. If you're referring too DRM, well I haven't struck any of those demons yet.



Again, please explain. It's been tested by literally MILLIONS of participants in the beta and RC programs.



It's better than XP on many levels. See added functionality. Perhaps not better for yourself, but for joe average who doesn't know much about pcs, it's a lot safer and more secure.



I think you'll have a lot more issues with drivers, file formats, program compatibility, games etc moving to linux, than you will to vista. But it's whatever you feel comfortable with at the end of the day.



I wouldn't. Windowblinds slows your pc down. I keep on installing it, and having to remove it within hours. Windowblinds doesn't have half the new features of vista?



I haven't found it's gotten in the way at all? Seems good to me, my only issue is with the backup program which is a step backward and lacks the functionality of the previous versions. Honestly, I have more issues with fully service packed XP SP2 installs now, than my RC1 version of vista. Immediately after SP2 was released, XP was great, but I feel it's been going downhill. Too many patches on patches if you get my drift.

:shock: flippin 'eck, how's that for an answer !!

[lil_miss]

Bahaha.. :D

[scotttnz]

Come over when you are finished. Oh enamel only on the outside. Bring loooong ladder for the second story windows

OK, I should be over sometime around April 2010.

Is GKPE VI still on? Who is going?

http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?p=2590384#post2590384 (http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?p=2590384#post2590384)

Yep it's still on....suppose we better decide on some of the finer details....



XP Pro = $698, Vista Ultimate = $648 (yes you can do a clean install from the upgrade cd, as noted by microsoft internal documentation).

Yes you can do a clean install with the upgrade, but you have to start the install from a qualifying product. So you have to have XP or 2000 installed first.

See this MS article: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/930985

[momentz]

Can we rename this thread 'momentz general ramblings' now? tehehe, the things we do on a lazy waitangi afternoon.. :)

[Nzshrimper]

Yes you can do a clean install with the upgrade, but you have to start the install from a qualifying product. So you have to have XP or 2000 installed first.

See this MS article: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/930985

not true you don't need any qualifying product... .. i have completed a clean load by using the upgrade disk ..

start with blank hdd..

install product using upgrade media but select complete install 'but do not enter product key' once install is complete.
run install again from within the windows vista environment.
select upgrade option.. insert product key... complete install activate product..
never buy full retail product just buy the upgrade pack... ;) works a charm..

In all honesty i don't recommend the upgrade from xp.. esp if your xp has been running for a few months. and you need to uninstall powershell if you do the upgrade from an xp load.

[momentz]

Yes you can do a clean install with the upgrade, but you have to start the install from a qualifying product. So you have to have XP or 2000 installed first.

See this MS article: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/930985

Actually you don't. You can install Vista as a clean install over itself :)

Microsoft internal documentation reveals workaround for Vista Upgrade DVDs with no need for a previous version of Windows (http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=5932) <--click!

[Nzshrimper]

this works because to keep costs down and to allow people to upgrade to one of the other versions of vista. Microsoft have included every version on the dvd...

The key during install point the install pack to what to install.

I just cant wait to day that some bright spark works out what the switch is that will turn on all the modules give home basic users the ultimate pack .. ;)

[Nzshrimper]

Actually you don't. You can install Vista as a clean install over itself :)

thats what i just said.. ;) :p

[momentz]

I just cant wait to day that some bright spark works out what the switch is that will turn on all the modules give home basic users the ultimate pack .. ;)

I know, I can see it happening... it has to...

thats what i just said.. ;) :p

Doh.. see my edit :P

[naqs]

So how's everyone finding vista? ???

for those who purchased and installed

[Nzshrimper]

So how's everyone finding vista? ???

for those who purchased and installed


all good so far.. just need to play a liitle more.. i did turn off the protect mode thou.. just annoyed me that the OS asked me was i sure x3... :rolleyes:

'yes Bill i am bloody sure now open the software'

[NordieBoy]

How did they get in touch with you? How did they find your contact details?

The Prez of Nelson Dragracing told them to get hold of me.
The Nelson Mail photographer wasn't there but a photographer for NZ Hotrod Mag was.
It may be just a one off but as they're not just drag racing I pointed him to my root motorsport folder on the web so he can see the sort of stuff I do and who knows :cool: ;)

[NordieBoy]

So how's everyone finding vista? ???

for those who purchased and installed

Well, installed but not purchased.
I was looking everywhere for the bit to "turn on" aero.
It was on :oops:

Open Paint Shop Pro 10 - Reverts to the basic window manager 'till you close it.
Yes I do want to allow the bluddy font size changer to run!

Transparent windows?
Had that for a few years now in Linux by way of "Beryl".
Pseudo transparancy is built in to KDE.

Ummm.
At the moment I'd say Vista is for the Microsoft version of a Mac addict.
People who are attracted by shiney/latest and have the hardware to run it.

The Linux addicts are saying "Pssh, does it run on a P90 with 64mb ram?" - Whilst running Linux on a P4 3.2Ghz with 2Gb ram themselves :D

[momentz]

all good so far.. just need to play a liitle more.. i did turn off the protect mode thou.. just annoyed me that the OS asked me was i sure x3... :rolleyes:'

I've left it on.. I hope one day it's going to stop me inadvertently installing a virus or spyware. Good feature imo :)
Besides it only does it for apps which haven't been upgraded to vista compatible status.

Vista's working well for me on my new machine at home, crap on my older (2 years) machine at work.

[MattL]

Hot water cylinder was replaced in 2001. I will see if valves are open right up. Cold water is fine.

So Matt whens the house warming ?
they will have replaced it with a unequal pressure cylinder.. doesnt matter how old it is, its the wrong type if you want pressure.


housewarming maybe in a month once i finish this work..

replaced every lightswitch and power point in the house today with brand new ones... prettty.

and removed another wall from the bathroom.

[tag141]

The Prez of Nelson Dragracing told them to get hold of me.
The Nelson Mail photographer wasn't there but a photographer for NZ Hotrod Mag was.
It may be just a one off but as they're not just drag racing I pointed him to my root motorsport folder on the web so he can see the sort of stuff I do and who knows :cool: ;)

Offer to write a 300-400 word article and give them the choice of half a dozen pics. Then ask for a bit more.:D Hope you get something out of it.

[Nzshrimper]

I've left it on.. I hope one day it's going to stop me inadvertently installing a virus or spyware. Good feature imo :)

I have a very good AV suite for that.. and a bloody good firewall on my router...

so what has everyone else been up to on this Maori moaning day ?

[weka2000]

Taking forever to upload a pic today :evil:

[Wazza]

You have a website. Use it, as per the rules. :p

But yeah, POTN is extremely slow. And saw a couple of random updates earlier whilst viewing.

Back to the cricket.

[Nzshrimper]

the cricket is nicley balanced at the mo.. 300 - 320 would be a good score for the english.. under 250 for the kiwis.

[momentz]

the cricket is nicley balanced at the mo.. 300 - 320 would be a good score for the english.. under 250 for the kiwis.

It's not on free tv is it?
One bad thing about vista is no HVCplus support :(

[naqs]

the cricket is nicley balanced at the mo.. 300 - 320 would be a good score for the english.. under 250 for the kiwis.

why would you support the NZ cricket team anyway... It would be pretty safe to say they are going to lose again

[Nzshrimper]

who said i did..