10D VS. 1DS

[Highland]

If you were going to print 4X6's or on the largest side 8X10's is there any point in the 1DS over the 10D?

Also, anyone know anything about the new Olympus Digital E-SLR camera - just came out on 6/24 ... ?

Don

[carnagex2000]

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canoneos1ds/page20.asp

and

http://www.dpreview.com/articles/olympuse1/
The prices suck for what you get. (just my thought)
Olympus E-1 D-SLR Body $2199
14 - 54 mm F2.8 - F3.5 lens $599
50 - 200 mm F2.8 - F3.5 lens $1199
50 mm F2.0 lens $599
300 mm F2.8 lens $7999
TC14 14x Teleconverter $549
FL-50 Flash $499
Power Battery Holder Set $549

[cmattdvc]

So far I've not seen any pics or any reason to spend the extra money on the 1DS, I have a 10D and could not be happer.

[Cal Maier]

If you won't be printing anything bigger than 8X10 I'd say you would n/t need anything more than the D30.

If you want to crop your original image up to 200% and still be able to print acceptable 8X10's then you may need the 1DS. The 1DS rivals medium format film cameras as far as resolution and detail are concerned, so unless you will be printing 20 or 30" prints or just have to have the best digital SLR that money can presently buy I would think that the 10D would be more than sufficient.

My $0.02

Cal

[cmattdvc]

Been using the D60 and now the 10D to print up to 11x14s, not had an order for anything bigger than that-anyway, you can't see pixel one in any of the 11x14s that I've had done, I could not be more pleased.
But if you've got the cash for a 1DS and the memory that you are going to need to use with it, my idea is to go for it.

[Roger_Cavanagh]

If you are sure about the 10x8 maximum, get the 10D and spend the difference on good quality glass.

The lenses will last and you can always upgrade a camera.

Regards,

[Brettpp]

I'd make some use of the fact that you could get a D60 For a resonable price these days. I'm sure it still holds it's own as far as quality goes.

[Highland]

Great stuff. Thanks guys.
Don

[crivera]

I have the expereince with both cameras 10D and 1ds I wil say that if you will print 4x6 you will be waisting the 1ds you will lose qualitydo to reduce the size. I still own a D60 and a 1Ds I use both depends the final print.
go with the 10D you don't need more than that

[rdenney]

Highland wrote:
If you were going to print 4X6's or on the largest side 8X10's is there any point in the 1DS over the 10D?

Also, anyone know anything about the new Olympus Digital E-SLR camera - just came out on 6/24 ... ?

Don

At the print sizes you are targeting, the extra pixel count in the 1DS will be wasted.

But it is a different format camera, and thus uses lenses differently. If you shoot in the normal and long focal lengths, the 10D is definitely the way to go. But if you MUST have the ability to shoot ultra wide angle images, such as with a 14mm lens full frame, then the 1DS is your only option if you already own Canon lenses.

I figure that, unlike Nikon, Canon intends to use full-frame sensors on all its digital SLR cameras eventually so that it doesn't have to create a whole new line of lenses. Perhaps in a couple of years, cameras at the 10D price point will have full-frame sensors, and my wide-angle lenses can go back to being wide angle. For those rare occasions when I need 14mm, though, I can shoot them on film, and use the 10D for everything else until that happens.

Rick "who thinks sensor size is the 1Ds's key advantage, but who won't pay $5500 over the 10D to get the bigger sensor" Denney

[oliver]

I have a D30 and owned a D60 until I got rid of it and bought a 1Ds. I have not played with a 10D, but assume that it is similar in "feel" to the D60. If you are talking about printed picture quality on small prints, then there is no difference. The reason that I love my 1Ds and feel that I have not wasted my money, is that it feels like a real professional camera. It is slightly heavier and bulkier, but is very comfortable to hold. The shutter lag and autofocus time is just as good as my EOS 3 and old EOS 1N. The camera is much more immune to harsh conditions and will stand up to a lot more wear and tear than the flimsy D30 and D60 (?10D) If your are purely interested in image quality printing to 4X6, then you too, have wasted money on a 10D, since you could have bought a $400 5 MP point and shoot, which will also give you plenty of resolution for 4X6 prints.

[rdenney]

oliver wrote:
The camera is much more immune to harsh conditions and will stand up to a lot more wear and tear than the flimsy D30 and D60 (?10D) If your are purely interested in image quality printing to 4X6, then you too, have wasted money on a 10D, since you could have bought a $400 5 MP point and shoot, which will also give you plenty of resolution for 4X6 prints.

The 10D is much more solidly constructed than the D60, and uses a better focusing engine. Also, with the new digital processor, the 10D is reasonably responsive. I sense no more shutter lag time with it than with my Elan. I'm sure it is not as rugged as the 1Ds, but then for $8000, the 1Ds had better be rugged enough to fight off any potential thieves all by itself.

But the 10D is far more useful to a creative photographer than a $400 point-n-shoot. Even at 8x10, the quality of the lens counts, and the lenses available for the 10D are the same ones that you put on your 1Ds. The better ones are much better than the built-in zooms on point-n-shoots. There's more to image quality than sensor resolution. And that is not even considering the flexibility offered by interchangeable lenses, external flash capability, and so on.

It seems to me that Canon was offering the best sensor they could but using the cheapest usable camera body configuration with the D30, to keep the price point below the competition. The D30 I looked at was not as well-made and didn't function as well as my Elan II. The 10D, on the other hand, is much more solid than the Elan II (or the Elan 7). I'd put it between the Elan and the EOS3 film cameras in build quality, similar to my T-90.

Rick "who thinks the $5500 difference is a high price to pay for being splash-proof unless people pay you to stand with your camera in the rain" Denney

[RichardtheSane]

I use the 10D and the Elan 7, and without nit-picking they are basically the same camera body. Both rugged alloy, both feel comfortable to hold. Both using the same AF and metering. IMHO the build quality of the two is damn close and they compliment each other very well.
Highland, the 10D is great for the money and I agree withe the suggestiuon the difference would be well spent on a bit more 'L' glass ;)

[CyberDyneSystems]

I would even go so far as to say that if the 1Ds is within the realm of possibility price wise,.. and yet you are unsure about whether the need for that extra $6000.00 in cost is justifiable,. then definately get the 10D. If you come to a point where the 1Ds becomes a neccesity,.. buy that and have both :D

[rdenney]

RichardtheSane wrote:
I use the 10D and the Elan 7, and without nit-picking they are basically the same camera body. Both rugged alloy, both feel comfortable to hold. Both using the same AF and metering. IMHO the build quality of the two is damn close and they compliment each other very well.
Highland, the 10D is great for the money and I agree withe the suggestiuon the difference would be well spent on a bit more 'L' glass ;)

I'll take your word for it. I've only handled an Elan 7 long enough to test a lens. The 10D is heavier, but it may be the battery. I like heavy cameras, unless I'm traveling overseas. The Elan II is noticeably lighter, and that's why I got it (I bought it for a trip down under and Air New Zealand has a 5kg weight limit for carry-ons that I was afraid they would enforce).

Rick "for whom heavy cameras don't shake as much" Denney

[RichardtheSane]

I love the elan 7 with the battery pack stocked with AA batteries, gives it a great weight (as you correctly said heavy cameras shake less ;) ) and the BP300 when empty doesn't weigh much either.
I am yet to play with the 10D when it has the BG-ED3 because they are like rocking horse poo to get hold of!