Spelling

[aam1234]

I know I'm not in the position to talk about English spelling since English is not my native language. However, English is the, I wouldn't say official since it's not a government site, but it is the de facto language used in this forum. As such, wouldn't it be prudent to at least check the basic words before we post them.

Just a thought.

[Skippy29]

I know I'm not in the position to talk about English spelling since English is not my native language. However, English is the, I wouldn't say official since it's not a government site, but it is the de facto language used in this forum. As such, wouldn't it be prudent to at least check the basic words before we post them.

Just a thought.


I've re-read your post like 3 times hoping to find maybe a misspelled word or some other grammatical shortcoming of some sort to bust you on, but to no avail. :(

[saravrose]

That's it everyone!! We've been busted!! Spellcheck from now on.......

[aam1234]

I've re-read your post like 3 times hoping to find maybe a misspelled word or some other grammatical shortcoming of some sort to bust you on, but to no avail. :(

Hail to i.e spell!! we all should get it (though I used to paste my writing here into MS Word to check spelling. No more).

[tommykjensen]

Uhhh don't let CDS see this thread ;-)

[aam1234]

That's it everyone!! We've been busted!! Spellcheck from now on.......

Come on Sari. You are doing very well, don't bust it with silly things. Language does matter. It's how one carries his/her self.

[aam1234]

Uhhh don't let CDS see this thread ;-)

Opps.

[saravrose]

Come on Sari. You are doing very well, don't bust it with silly things. Language does matter. It's how one carries his/her self.

What a nice thing to say.... Personally I scan my post for quick spelling mistakes but when I consider that english is a second and third language for a lot of the folks on here it's not a main concern for me. I'm more concerned with being understood across the cultures and languages that exist here. Worrying about how something is spelled is a waste of time. I'd rather have somebody pay attention to my photos, not my typing errors.....

sari

[queenbee288]

I was a reel good speller til I joined up with this here form.:lol:

Kidding aside. I can't stand posts that are for no reason except to whine about what someone else is posting. A co-worker of my husband just had her mobile home burn to the ground, she lost everything and her 13 year old daughter was severely burned, including her face. They say she will be disfigured for life but she will undergo skin grafts. She is in severe pain. I guess I am not in the mood for whining today.:cry:

[saravrose]

I was a reel good speller til I joined up with this here form.:lol:

Kidding aside. I can't stand posts that are for no reason except to whine about what someone else is posting. A co-worker of my husband just had her mobile home burn to the ground, she lost everything and her 13 year old daughter was severely burned, including her face. They say she will be disfigured for life but she will undergo skin grafts. She is in severe pain. I guess I am not in the mood for whining today.:cry:

Wow! beautifully put. My love and well wishes sincerely sent out to your friends..
There has been a lot of 'complaining' about the folks on this forum, although in generalities I do feel that it's in slightly bad taste and a bit of a waste of time...

[aam1234]

I was a reel good speller til I joined up with this here form.:lol:

Kidding aside. I can't stand posts that are for no reason except to whine about what someone else is posting. A co-worker of my husband just had her mobile home burn to the ground, she lost everything and her 13 year old daughter was severely burned, including her face. They say she will be disfigured for life but she will undergo skin grafts. She is in severe pain. I guess I am not in the mood for whining today.:cry:

I guess you are not. Don't want to sound cold or anything, but my brother almost lost his hand due to burning. It's not functional now. He is 36 years old.

[aam1234]

I have no idea why "burning" and "misery" has to be used to justify missing basic communication skills.

Kindly someone enlighten me please.

[saravrose]

I think the point was that this isn't worth complaining about when there are 'real' issues out there....

[aam1234]

True, agree. But but...oh well

[queenbee288]

Point #1. Your complaining and whining is trivial.
Point #2. Same as point #1

Do a search, we all had a lot of fun with this kind of thread a while back ago. No spelling was improved upon as a result.

[aam1234]

Thanks QB. Myself started 2 of those threads, and they were hugely popular. But that's not the point.

The point is, the way the other person communicates with me (or you) has an impact on how we receive the other person. Good or bad.

[chris clements]

But whyowhy are there so many out there who can't spell the most-used four letter word in photography?
L E N S

[aam1234]

whyowhy

Or the above.

[Michaelmjc]

Uhhh don't let CDS see this thread ;-)

He'll blame it on a new keyboard, some keyboards must have the keys in different places :D

[saravrose]

He'll blame it on a new keyboard, some keyboards must have the keys in different places :D

come on y'all he's not even here to defend himself ;) ;) ;)

[tommykjensen]

I think it is more important how the words are put together to form a sentence than it is how they are spelled.

Sure it is easier to read if everybody spell correctly but we have to remember that many members do not have english as their native english (that includes myself).

The important thing is if the message is understood. I remember something I wrote in the private moderator forum which came out completely wrong. I realised that later but fortunately all the other moderators understood what I meant and we could all laugh at it because it sure was a funny sentence I had written, I still laugh at it when I think about it. (No I am not going to repeat it here ;-) )

[aam1234]

The important thing is if the message is understood.

Not to pick on you Tommy, but I never understood such logic.

If I wrote cv%^& and someone understood it, does it make it a legitimate form of communication?

[tommykjensen]

Not to pick on you Tommy, but I never understood such logic.

If I wrote cv%^& and someone understood it, does it make it a legitimate form of communication?

Thats not what I mean and You know that and I am certain that was not what sari meant either.

A few spelling erors hear and there is ok in my opinon. Your example is more like encrypting the message.

[peacock]

Not to pick on you Tommy, but I never understood such logic.

If I wrote cv%^& and someone understood it, does it make it a legitimate form of communication?

effective communication can be achieved in many ways ! if the message was

understood clearly be it with good English , grunts groans or flipping someone

the bird , then the communication was effective.

I find it sad to think that people would think less of others due to poor

spelling , grammer or indeed basic sentence construction , even moreso when

you possibly consider the many and varied reasons behind their "percieved"

inability to communicate well.

[RTMiller]

Opps.
Did you mean oops?

[aam1234]

Ok, tell that to Sari. She thinks one must have a personal tragedy for his/her language to be understood. Or something like that.

[aam1234]

I find it sad to think that people would think less of others due to poor spelling , grammer or indeed basic sentence construction

I understand the learning disabilities and such. But for an abeled mind man or women to not have the basic writing skill is beyond me.

[tommykjensen]

No aam You must have misunderstood Sari's message.

[saravrose]

Ok, tell that to Sari. She thinks one must have a personal tragedy for his/her language to be understood. Or something like that.

wow! innapropriate and unnecessary (did I spell that right?).. please refrain from being rude to me. As far as my memory serves me, i've never been rude to you.

Sari.

[saravrose]

No aam You must have misunderstood Sari's message.

thanks tommy.

[cjsa]

If we're really concerned with people for whom English is a second language, isn't spelling even more important so they can look up words in a dictionary? When I went to Korea people could read English but not understand it when it was spoken, so our phonetic spellings would have been meaningless to them.

[peacock]

I understand the learning disabilities and such. But for an abeled mind man or women to not have the basic writing skill is beyond me.

And how do you know which people on forums are as you put it "able minded"

whats your definition of "able minded"

[tommykjensen]

Before this gets out of hand lets all remember to be civil when adressing each other.

[saravrose]

Before this gets out of hand lets all remember to be civil when adressing each other.

good point Tommy. It's so easy for writing styles, personal preferences and cultural differences to cause confusion as to what a person is trying to convey. I have never purposely been rude to anybody, it's just not my personality. But, as I get older and wiser i've learned that people will treat you however you allow them to.

[aam1234]

Oh my. A big storm is ahead of me.

All I am saying is that language is a living thing. It's not just words. It's not just a collection of letters. It's a reflection of YOU. and how you use words to communicate with others.

[saravrose]

Oh my. A big storm is ahead of me.

All I am saying is that language is a living thing. It's not just words. It's not just a collection of letters. It's a reflection of YOU. and how you use words to communicate with others.

absolutely it is. this thread is a great example on the importance of expressing yourself carefully and with precision. I apologize to you if I said something that you misconstrued...

sari

[FlipsidE]

As much as I'm gonna sound like a prick for sayin it, I gotta agree with the original poster. I rarely ever say anything about it, but it really does get under my skin. I have been known, on many occasions, to go back and edit my posts a half a dozen times or more to correct any and all grammar and spelling mistakes.

I'll admit that I make just as many mistakes as the next person. But, when I notice them, I do my absolute best to correct them. And, if I am unsure of the spelling of a word, nine times out of 10, I will go to dictionary.com and look it up before posting it.

People like me are known on other boards as spelling ****s or grammar ****s. But, so be it. I'm not saying I'm perfect at all, but I really wish people would put forth the effort write properly (both in spelling and grammar).

[aam1234]

Thank you very much Sari for understanding.

[aam1234]

Brandt understand me completely. Thanks.

[saravrose]

your welcome.

[Scottes]

All I am saying is that language is a living thing. It's not just words. It's not just a collection of letters. It's a reflection of YOU. and how you use words to communicate with others.
If you perceive someone poorly because of a mispelled word, shame on you. That's worse than judging someone because of the tie they are - or aren't - wearing, or the color of their shirt, or their religious beliefs, or the color of their skin, or....

Sorry, but this gets to me. Communication is generally successful, even though their might be a mispelled word.


I guess that it's like complaining if someone had an accent, and thinking poorly of them because of it. Guess what? We *ALL* have accents, regardless of the language we speak.

[aam1234]

your welcome.

It's "you are welcome" or for short "you're welcome".

Wink :)

[Scottes]

It's "you are welcome" or for short "you're welcome".

Wink :)
I don't link your accent.
:wink:

[aam1234]

If you perceive someone poorly because of a mispelled word, shame on you. That's worse than judging someone because of the tie they are - or aren't - wearing, or the color of their shirt, or their religious beliefs, or the color of their skin, or....

Sorry, but this gets to me. Communication is generally successful, even though their might be a mispelled word.


I guess that it's like complaining if someone had an accent, and thinking poorly of them because of it. Guess what? We *ALL* have accents, regardless of the language we speak.

Scottes, where I'm from we are a minority in our own country. But that's not the point.

I'm not talking about "class" or "status". I'm talking about basic communication.

[aam1234]

I don't link your accent.
:wink:

Niether do I :wink:

[saravrose]

hmmm... accents, now that's fun.. sometimes wonder if mine comes out in the way I type.. I know other's sure do.

[saravrose]

Scottes, where I'm from we are a minority in our own country. But that's not the point.

I'm not talking about "class" or "status". I'm talking about basic communication.

can I ask where your from?

[aam1234]

can I ask where your from?

Nope, sorry.

[saravrose]

fair enough.. sorry for the intrusion.

[aam1234]

No problem, it's ok.

[CoolToolGuy]

What a struggle -

This is a photography forum. It is here to discuss digital photography, and the management has done a very good job of keeping the discussions on topic. The two easiest flame war topics, politics and religion, are strictly verboten here - not because they are trivial but because they are outside the focus of the forum.

Many folks come here to escape the ugly parts of their life and discuss their passion - an escape, if you will.

I certainly don't want to trivialize anyone's pain and suffering, but it is extremely hard and unfair for all of the members to have to feel the burden of another member's personal life. Spellcheck is minor in the grand scheme of things, but within the focus of this forum it plays a large role in the ability for the members around the world to participate. So I must fall off the fence on the side of the OP.

My 2 cents.

Have Fun,

[aam1234]

If you perceive someone poorly because of a mispelled word, shame on you. That's worse than judging someone because of the tie they are - or aren't - wearing, or the color of their shirt, or their religious beliefs, or the color of their skin, or....

Sorry, but this gets to me. Communication is generally successful, even though their might be a mispelled word.


I guess that it's like complaining if someone had an accent, and thinking poorly of them because of it. Guess what? We *ALL* have accents, regardless of the language we speak.

Been thinking about the above. Where did that come from. Sounds like a cookie cuter type of PC (eg yuk). No offense.

[FlipsidE]

Very well said, CoolToolGuy!

[aam1234]

What a struggle -

This is a photography forum. It is here to discuss digital photography, and the management has done a very good job of keeping the discussions on topic. The two easiest flame war topics, politics and religion, are strictly verboten here - not because they are trivial but because they are outside the focus of the forum.

Many folks come here to escape the ugly parts of their life and discuss their passion - an escape, if you will.

I certainly don't want to trivialize anyone's pain and suffering, but it is extremely hard and unfair for all of the members to have to feel the burden of another member's personal life. Spellcheck is minor in the grand scheme of things, but within the focus of this forum it plays a large role in the ability for the members around the world to participate. So I must fall off the fence on the side of the OP.

My 2 cents.

Have Fun,


Thank you very much Rick.

[aam1234]

A message to Scottes, and maybe others

There is a whole big and wide world outside of the US. Very colorful and real world. Beautiful world. No fast food, ok maybe some. But no commercialism to the point that one feels he/she is a consuming object. A place where a person feels human. He/she feels real.

[saravrose]

A message to Scottes, and maybe others

There is a whole big and wide world outside of the US. Very colorful and real world. Beautiful world. No fast food, ok maybe some. But no commercialism to the point that one feels he/she is a consuming object. A place where a person feels human. He/she feels real.

Excuse me Scottes for giving my two cents..

Do you really believe that American's aren't aware that there is cultural diversity outside of the states... What an ignorant statement. Especially considering that were photographers. That in itself shows that we do look at the things around us. I may be an American (not something I will ever be ashamed of) But that doesn't mean that were not aware of the rest of the world. In case you haven't noticed there is beauty EVERYWHERE from Africa to Australia to Boise Idaho. If you think that a person's ethnicity somehow keeps them from knowing that then you are wrong. very wrong.

[aam1234]

Hi Sari. Cute perspective you are trying to project. No offense, but it's a typical reaction one would expect. Very PC.

[condyk]

Who'd want to have a beer with a good speller? They be pickin' up on all your grammatical errors as you spoke too (however subliminal) and wouldn't get any of your jokes because jokes aren't logical ... and they probably wouldn't tell you any either. They'd prabably spend the whole eveing telling you about that crummy book: 'Eats Shoots and Leaves' :rolleyes: and then compalin that I used a colon in the wrong place!

[saravrose]

pc?

[FlipsidE]

pc?PC = Politically Correct

[saravrose]

PC = Politically Correct


well. If I am then I am. Didn't think about being politically correct. It's not something I put effort into. If American's really are perceived this way, then that's sad. But it's not reality.

[FlipsidE]

My question is, why hasn't this thread been locked yet? It isn't turning out to be very pretty :( Not a fun way to start a Friday evening.

[Scottes]

Been thinking about the above. Where did that come from. Sounds like a cookie cuter type of PC (eg yuk). No offense.
From my viewpoint, disliking someone's spelling is like disliking someone's accent. The communication itself is important.

[defordphoto]

My question is, why hasn't this thread been locked yet?

Just one mouse click away from it...

[saravrose]

From my viewpoint, disliking someone's spelling is like disliking someone's accent. The communication itself is important.

agree with you scottes.. For the record. And for everyone else's sake. I'm done. No more on this subject from me... moving on to something else....

sari.

[aam1234]

From my viewpoint, disliking someone's spelling is like disliking someone's accent. The communication itself is important.

You already expressed that.

[aam1234]

Just one mouse click away from it...

And this is RFM's favorite hobby. Good luck.

Just for the record, who made you a Mod. Whoever it is, he should think again about it.

[ayotnoms]

oh oh...

[aam1234]

It's an RFM's best past time to lock threads, for no apparent reason.

[tommykjensen]

It's an RFM's best past time to lock threads, for no apparent reason.

There is always a good reason when a thread is locked. And this one will be locked really soon.

[condyk]

Isn't political correctness strictly against forum rules?

[aam1234]

RFM's territory. Let him do it. He enjoy it.

[elTwitcho]

I have no idea why "burning" and "misery" has to be used to justify missing basic communication skills.

Kindly someone enlighten me please.

"Someone kindly enlighten me please"

"burning and misery HAVE to be used to justify a lack of (missing doesn't work properly) basic communication skills"


I know I'm not in the position to talk about English spelling since English is not my native language. However, English is the, I wouldn't say official since it's not a government site, but it is the de facto language used in this forum. As such, wouldn't it be prudent to at least check the basic words before we post them.

Just a thought.

"I know I'm not in the position to talk about spelling in English, since English is not my native language"


Grammatically, both your posts were flawed. Do I understand you? Absolutely. Does it make my time understanding you harder? Not at all, I understood you fine. Should I bust your balls because your grammar isn't great?

I personally, would say no. I appreciate that you're doing the best you can and your English is actually quite good, is it honestly your fault that your grammar isn't perfect? People get by on what they can. Some people are less educated here, or English is a second language to them, or maybe they just lack basic linguistic skills. I don't think it's fair to give them a hard time for it because this is NOT an English language forum, it is a photography forum. I have not seen anything remotely close to a huge problem with poor English skills here, and I think this "issue" isn't worth getting on people's case over. If you can't stand the way some people mispell words, then don't reply to their threads, there's a good chance they don't want someone who is getting bent out of shape over a misplaced letter replying to them anyway.

[aam1234]

El, please! you are the last person I want to hear from. Have a seat.

[CyberDyneSystems]

The world may be a better place if everyone would spell everything consistently.. I would not argue that. (should we all speak the same language and dialect then though?)


BUT.

The World would be a MUCH better place if people stopped trying to force there way of doing things on other people.

In the past few weeks I am noticing a dramatic rise in posts whose subject and only reason for posting revolves around the idea that OP thinks that others should do things on this forum the way that the OP would prefer them to be done.

What is the end goal of all these threads? Are they requests for the forum to impose more rules? (honestly this is what it loosk like to me.. )

I don't understand these gripe threads,. I don't understand the desire to sway 50,000 others to your way of thinking,. to your standards of how things should be done. I don't understand requesting to have more freedom taken away from the membership,. and more types of threads removed or outlawed. And this unfortunately is the most likely realistic aspiration.

Or is it an appeal to all 50,000 members to simply drop what they think is appropriate and instead do things your way?

Is this what these posts are about?

It won't work.. and it shouldn't.

[defordphoto]

RFM's territory. Let him do it. He enjoy it.

Done. So, so done.