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Kristy

8th of June 2007 (Fri), 11:43

Thanks adam.

kristy - i think it's in my public profile if you look in there. but here's the address anyways.
www.flickr.com/photos/84031125@N00/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/84031125@N00/)
I gotta change that number to something more personalized...someday when I can think of what I can change it to.

oh and I have nothing planned for weekends except for church on sunday afternoons cause I sing in the choir.

Okay Ryan.. thanks for the link... I looked at your stuff last night. The bride is very cute! Nice smiles she gave you. I'll have to check back to see your progress.

I was looking at your other stuff, and we need to do a practice session on Steve with his Sax... that would be so cool! I can envision taking him to someplace like westgate or Dc Ranch Marketplace ....and doing some urban stuff with him leaning up against the wall playing his sax.. no sunglasses though.. we can get funky angles and do different poses... would he be up for it? It'd be really cool.. then we can make them black and white's with a warm tone... sooo cool! And if you want to bring Sara along, we can play with natural light in her eyes and you'll be blown away. Sound like fun?

disneydork06

8th of June 2007 (Fri), 12:54

Hi Guys. The enrollment for the Lighting Seminar has been much slower than expected. Anything you can do to get the word out or any ideas, give me a call. My number is 480-202-0773. If you get my message center just hang up and call back in a few minutes. I really hope we can do this without costing Scott money, I've offered to pay for the room rental if there are not enough people. Anyone with contacts in the Wedding community would also help. Thanks in advance.
Terry

have you posted on craigslist?

disneydork06

8th of June 2007 (Fri), 12:57

Okay Ryan.. thanks for the link... I looked at your stuff last night. The bride is very cute! Nice smiles she gave you. I'll have to check back to see your progress.

I was looking at your other stuff, and we need to do a practice session on Steve with his Sax... that would be so cool! I can envision taking him to someplace like westgate or Dc Ranch Marketplace ....and doing some urban stuff with him leaning up against the wall playing his sax.. no sunglasses though.. we can get funky angles and do different poses... would he be up for it? It'd be really cool.. then we can make them black and white's with a warm tone... sooo cool! And if you want to bring Sara along, we can play with natural light in her eyes and you'll be blown away. Sound like fun?

Ooh, that would be so fun. I'm sure I can convince Steve to go...he told me that after the wedding he doesn't have much to do for awhile now. He's usually up for some pics. Haven't talked to Sara in awhile. but yeah, i will definitely reconnect with her sometime soon cause I still want to photograph her as well. but yeah, let me know if you want to do this. I'm sure we could make this happen. :-)

Kristy

8th of June 2007 (Fri), 17:15

Ooh, that would be so fun. I'm sure I can convince Steve to go...he told me that after the wedding he doesn't have much to do for awhile now. He's usually up for some pics. Haven't talked to Sara in awhile. but yeah, i will definitely reconnect with her sometime soon cause I still want to photograph her as well. but yeah, let me know if you want to do this. I'm sure we could make this happen. :-)

Okay, so you check with them to see... and we can try to find a date... It would be best to do it in the morning like 9-ish... since it's getting hot and the sun will be bright... But with the covered shade, we can get some cool shots and nice catchlights...
http://ksnyderphoto.smugmug.com/photos/160822446-L.jpg
Here's one of my daughter from a couple weeks ago.. I don't know if you can see in the reduced image size, but the catchlights here are amazing... and I didn't PP the eyes at all... just sharpened the entire thing some and converted to b&W... this was at westgate.. I think Sara's eyes will be amazing... :)

disneydork06

8th of June 2007 (Fri), 18:21

Okay, so you check with them to see... and we can try to find a date... It would be best to do it in the morning like 9-ish... since it's getting hot and the sun will be bright... But with the covered shade, we can get some cool shots and nice catchlights...
http://ksnyderphoto.smugmug.com/photos/160822446-L.jpg
Here's one of my daughter from a couple weeks ago.. I don't know if you can see in the reduced image size, but the catchlights here are amazing... and I didn't PP the eyes at all... just sharpened the entire thing some and converted to b&W... this was at westgate.. I think Sara's eyes will be amazing... :)

ooh, nice photo. I think I've seen it before. westgate is private property right? Anyways, just sent the two of them a text so I'll find out later when they can do a photoshoot with us :-) I just hope we can do it before the 19th so I don't have to go around on crutches then. :-P

Hatch1921

8th of June 2007 (Fri), 19:18

Very nice shot Kristy. The eyes are amazing!

Just returned from the Hassayampa Preserve... a few shots posted in the macro forum. A great day for butterflies. I sure am glad I live 30 miles from the place...otherwise I would be there every single day. LOL

http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?p=3345410#post3345410

Take care,
Hatch

Kristy

8th of June 2007 (Fri), 19:24

ooh, nice photo. I think I've seen it before. westgate is private property right? Anyways, just sent the two of them a text so I'll find out later when they can do a photoshoot with us :-) I just hope we can do it before the 19th so I don't have to go around on crutches then. :-P

If anyone else is interested, let's try to make a date of it... Would be fun as long as our models don't mind....

This is actually a new photo that I took a couple weeks ago.. I posted it on the forum today.. It's a little dark... I need to do some work on it still.. but there's something about it that I really love.. I'm definitely blowing it up to 16x20 for my wall...

So keep me/us posted... I should be able to do the wekend of the 16th without a problem. I'm supposed to get my haircut that weekend, and I might have a maternity session. The weekend after that (23rd) I should be doing a newborn in California.... she's not born yet, but I'm guessing she will arrive next week.. I want to get her photos in before she hits the 2 week mark... the earlier the better.. :) Okay, I'm rambling..

So ask them if we can have a group session with them.. do you think they'll give us releases to use/post the images? We can promise to send them copies of the files for free...

Whose interested??

Az2Africa

8th of June 2007 (Fri), 20:49

Black & White from June 1st wedding.

179556

azphotos

8th of June 2007 (Fri), 21:40

Black & White from June 31st wedding.

179556

No tickie no washie - can see a nice question mark! Is that how bad the bride and groom were?:lol:

disneydork06

8th of June 2007 (Fri), 22:34

Black & White from June 31st wedding.

179556

wow, june 31st...didn't know that existed :-P

If anyone else is interested, let's try to make a date of it... Would be fun as long as our models don't mind....

This is actually a new photo that I took a couple weeks ago.. I posted it on the forum today.. It's a little dark... I need to do some work on it still.. but there's something about it that I really love.. I'm definitely blowing it up to 16x20 for my wall...

So keep me/us posted... I should be able to do the wekend of the 16th without a problem. I'm supposed to get my haircut that weekend, and I might have a maternity session. The weekend after that (23rd) I should be doing a newborn in California.... she's not born yet, but I'm guessing she will arrive next week.. I want to get her photos in before she hits the 2 week mark... the earlier the better.. :) Okay, I'm rambling..

So ask them if we can have a group session with them.. do you think they'll give us releases to use/post the images? We can promise to send them copies of the files for free...

Whose interested??

haha, I will find out if they are interested in this type of thing. But I am not 100% positive but I think they will do it. Sara didn't mind having her photo taken was okay with me posting them online as you've seen a couple already posted here and on my flickr. Steve I think might be interested. i'm usually in contact with him so I'll know fairly soon about him. :-)

JmprSteve

8th of June 2007 (Fri), 23:16

Shooting People!!!! Sounds like fun... let me know when.

disneydork06

9th of June 2007 (Sat), 00:18

Shooting People!!!! Sounds like fun... let me know when.

oh yeah, we'll make it like a professional shoot too! a head shot and a couple body shots here and there :-)

Kristy

9th of June 2007 (Sat), 14:55

Black & White from June 31st wedding.

She's pretty... what did you do to process this... her skin looks very smooth. Is it Neat Image or something. How did it go at the wedding anyway? Got any other images to share with us?

macroshooter1970

9th of June 2007 (Sat), 15:50

Spur of the moment. I went to the Boyce Thompson Arboretum today, tons of bee's.

Kristy

9th of June 2007 (Sat), 16:44

Spur of the moment. I went to the Boyce Thompson Arboretum today, tons of bee's.
SO where are the pics...?

macroshooter1970

9th of June 2007 (Sat), 16:51

use mostly natural light and pop up flash. forgot to charge the AA's for 580.

http://www.pbase.com/arizona85224/image/80235631/medium.jpg

http://www.pbase.com/arizona85224/image/80235632/medium.jpg

macroshooter1970

9th of June 2007 (Sat), 19:58

Anyone up to Hassayampa next Sat.

macroshooter1970

9th of June 2007 (Sat), 20:00

Had to post another, didn't like the 3 numbers I was at on the post count. :evil:

TammieO

9th of June 2007 (Sat), 20:11

Had to post another, didn't like the 3 numbers I was at on the post count. :evil:

Mark of the Beast...Now we know what the problem is.:lol: I'm up for Hassayampa if work isn't still a pain. I've been logged in most of the day. :evil:

I like the bees! You're getting pretty good with the 100 macro.

BTW, I got my Kinesis bag. I like the 500 in it. I'm still on the fence about the 300. You need to see it for yourself.

macroshooter1970

9th of June 2007 (Sat), 20:24

Mark of the Beast...Now we know what the problem is.:lol: I'm up for Hassayampa if work isn't still a pain. I've been logged in most of the day. :evil:

I like the bees! You're getting pretty good with the 100 macro.

BTW, I got my Kinesis bag. I like the 500 in it. I'm still on the fence about the 300. You need to see it for yourself.

Thanks, the 100mm is very nice. I had a feeling you would rethink the bag for the 300mm.

I'm heading out the door and about to logg of now, call me on the cell and I will gladly look at the bag. Been itching to see that bad boy.

.

Az2Africa

9th of June 2007 (Sat), 20:52

She's pretty... what did you do to process this... her skin looks very smooth. Is it Neat Image or something. How did it go at the wedding anyway? Got any other images to share with us?

She had great skin to start with. I used a very small tweak with Kodak Digital Airbrush Pro, then converted to B&W and added a slight sepia tint.

Cesarvai

10th of June 2007 (Sun), 03:03

She had great skin to start with. I used a very small tweak with Kodak Digital Airbrush Pro, then converted to B&W and added a slight sepia tint.

Hey Man Nice Pic, Im still waiting for you PM Me to Help You in that Wedding :rolleyes: I guess you wanted someone with more experience, well maybe next time.

Hi everyone I'm Back lol, well I was banned from this forum first for 2 weeks for RUDENESS AND POLITICS :D Then I had Vertigo for a few days and I was only reading the posts; later I had to format my computer coz it was so slow but I couldn't Update it and got so infected in 2 days that I had to do it all over again etc etc etc , :( I been reading a lot and got more confused every time mostly with flash :mad: . Anyways, I need a lot of more practice more so I'm im in anything that come up.

Kristy dont you have friends FEMALE BodyBuilders ??? Fitness Stars or else !!!!

c-ya Cesar

disneydork06

10th of June 2007 (Sun), 03:30

Anyone up to Hassayampa next Sat.

what exactly is at hassayampa?

She had great skin to start with. I used a very small tweak with Kodak Digital Airbrush Pro, then converted to B&W and added a slight sepia tint.

she looks like she has a lot of makeup on. :-P

macroshooter1970

10th of June 2007 (Sun), 09:06

what exactly is at hassayampa?

http://www.nature.org/wherewework/northamerica/states/arizona/preserves/art1970.html

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Adam B.

10th of June 2007 (Sun), 10:40

Anyone up to Hassayampa next Sat.

Too early in the week for me to say.

macroshooter1970

10th of June 2007 (Sun), 10:42

Too early in the week for me to say.

you got 5 days to decide :)

macroshooter1970

10th of June 2007 (Sun), 12:08

Hey Man Nice Pic, Im still waiting for you PM Me to Help You in that Wedding :rolleyes: I guess you wanted someone with more experience, well maybe next time.

Hi everyone I'm Back lol, well I was banned from this forum first for 2 weeks for RUDENESS AND POLITICS :D Then I had Vertigo for a few days and I was only reading the posts; later I had to format my computer coz it was so slow but I couldn't Update it and got so infected in 2 days that I had to do it all over again etc etc etc , :( I been reading a lot and got more confused every time mostly with flash :mad: . Anyways, I need a lot of more practice more so I'm im in anything that come up.

Kristy dont you have friends FEMALE BodyBuilders ??? Fitness Stars or else !!!!

c-ya Cesar

you got a new lens, Tamron 17-50 2.8 SP XR Di II or did you have it already. How is you 30mm working out for you?

Adam B.

10th of June 2007 (Sun), 13:55

you got 5 days to decide :)

Yes SIR!!!:lol:

disneydork06

10th of June 2007 (Sun), 14:16

http://www.nature.org/wherewework/northamerica/states/arizona/preserves/art1970.html

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hmm, wish I could go. I would probably slow down the group because of my knee. although it would be a good use of my money to help the preserve :-) and i would need to find my binoculars here somewhere...

Adam B.

10th of June 2007 (Sun), 14:22

hmm, wish I could go. I would probably slow down the group because of my knee. although it would be a good use of my money to help the preserve :-) and i would need to find my binoculars here somewhere...

At a place like this you walk slowly, as not to scare anything off. You wouldn't slow anything down.

disneydork06

10th of June 2007 (Sun), 14:58

At a place like this you walk slowly, as not to scare anything off. You wouldn't slow anything down.

good point :-) I think I may be able to attend then :cool:

macroshooter1970

10th of June 2007 (Sun), 17:55

hmm, wish I could go. I would probably slow down the group because of my knee. although it would be a good use of my money to help the preserve :-) and i would need to find my binoculars here somewhere...

turtle pace it key, everyone wonders around and stuff. You would fit right in being a cripple.

Cesarvai

10th of June 2007 (Sun), 21:12

you got a new lens, Tamron 17-50 2.8 SP XR Di II or did you have it already. How is you 30mm working out for you?

I just got them friday with my 3021B Pro Tripod with 322RC2 Joystick Head, a whibal and Lastolite Reflectors 5-1 :rolleyes: just to keep everything with my brand new shelphy printer :cry: I have to start using this stuff lol. the sigma its great indoors but your NEW 300mm its better Im sure :lol: , so I Just need the 70-200 2.8 sigma or canon :confused:

Cesar

disneydork06

11th of June 2007 (Mon), 01:20

turtle pace it key, everyone wonders around and stuff. You would fit right in being a cripple.

being a cripple...thanks :evil:
but yeah, one more week of hobbling around till i become dependant on the crutches for a month.

macroshooter1970

11th of June 2007 (Mon), 22:09

being a cripple...thanks :evil:
but yeah, one more week of hobbling around till i become dependant on the crutches for a month.

your welcome......wish you a speedy recovery

Adam B.

12th of June 2007 (Tue), 14:29

I just got them friday with my 3021B Pro Tripod with 322RC2 Joystick Head, a whibal and Lastolite Reflectors 5-1 :rolleyes: just to keep everything with my brand new shelphy printer :cry: I have to start using this stuff lol. the sigma its great indoors but your NEW 300mm its better Im sure :lol: , so I Just need the 70-200 2.8 sigma or canon :confused:

Cesar

Congrats on the new gear:D

Adam B.

12th of June 2007 (Tue), 14:36

being a cripple...thanks :evil:
but yeah, one more week of hobbling around till i become dependant on the crutches for a month.

Oh what fun that is. :( I've been there and done that once or twice in my life.

Adam B.

12th of June 2007 (Tue), 14:41

turtle pace it key, everyone wonders around and stuff. You would fit right in being a cripple.

Bring lots of water. Even first thing in the morning temps are going to be warm.

macroshooter1970

12th of June 2007 (Tue), 19:11

Bring lots of water. Even first thing in the morning temps are going to be warm.

I was thinking about taking some milk.

Adam B.

12th of June 2007 (Tue), 19:31

If it flips you skirt, enjoy. :p

macroshooter1970

12th of June 2007 (Tue), 19:47

If it flips you skirt, enjoy. :p

you crazy man. do you think you might show up?

Adam B.

12th of June 2007 (Tue), 19:57

I'm leaning that way, so it's a good maybe. ;) I do want to work on my bug shooting skills, however the stars are calling to me and my telescope is yelling at me that I don't spend enough time with her anymore. So we'll see what later in the week brings.

macroshooter1970

12th of June 2007 (Tue), 19:59

Adam B.

14th of June 2007 (Thu), 08:55

Looks like I'll be going to the Hassayampa River Preserve after all. Somethings come up that requires my attention Sunday morning, so I wouldn't be able to sleep in Sunday morning/afternoon if I went stargazing.

Meet in the parking lot at 7AM?

Hatch1921

14th of June 2007 (Thu), 09:14

Adam,

Give them a call tomorrow and make sure they are open. I drove out there on a Wednesday (should have been open) and they were closed. I'm only 30 miles from the place and I wasn't thrilled. :)

Just a thought/suggestion.
Hatch

macroshooter1970

14th of June 2007 (Thu), 10:56

Adam B.

14th of June 2007 (Thu), 12:47

Thanks Hatch. I've check the web site and it's only open on the weekends.

Visitor Hours
Summer: May 16 - Sept. 14
Friday-Sunday, 7 to 11 a.m.
Trails close at 10:30 a.m.

Adam B.

14th of June 2007 (Thu), 12:50

I just got off the phone with them and yes they will be open this Saturday at 7am.

TammieO

14th of June 2007 (Thu), 16:30

It's been a long time since I've been out there. I hope to be able to make it on Saturday. How long does it take to get there. I'm assuming we want to get there by 7?

Adam B.

14th of June 2007 (Thu), 17:23

7am is the right time. IIRC it took me about an hour to get there from the north valley the last time. I didn't time it so I don't remember exactly.

macroshooter1970

14th of June 2007 (Thu), 19:45

I was thinking having to leave at 5am from my location.

disneydork06

14th of June 2007 (Thu), 22:28

wow. that's early...I've been staying up that late...or early :-P

Adam B.

14th of June 2007 (Thu), 22:58

I was thinking having to leave at 5am from my location.

Don't worry if you should get there early they have lots of stuff to shoot around the entrance.

Adam B.

14th of June 2007 (Thu), 23:04

wow. that's early...I've been staying up that late...or early :-P

Come on, your a gimp. Your not out dancing and partying, having a good time on Friday nights are you? Shame on you if you are! ;)

5 am in normal wake up time for some of us. :cry: I'll leave my place at around 6'ish.

disneydork06

14th of June 2007 (Thu), 23:17

Come on, your a gimp. Your not out dancing and partying, having a good time on Friday nights are you? Shame on you if you are! ;)

5 am in normal wake up time for some of us. :cry: I'll leave my place at around 6'ish.

shame on me for having fun on friday nights? lol...I wish I was having fun. actually might be going to the dueling piano bar in tempe friday night.

Adam B.

14th of June 2007 (Thu), 23:28

Dueling piano bar!!! That does sound fun!!!

However your not allowed to have any fun, being a gimp and all.;)

disneydork06

15th of June 2007 (Fri), 00:19

Dueling piano bar!!! That does sound fun!!!

However your not allowed to have any fun, being a gimp and all.;)

haha, but I'm trying to do what I can now while I still can. recovering after the surgery will be quite long. :-P

Kristy

15th of June 2007 (Fri), 01:38

shame on me for having fun on friday nights? lol...I wish I was having fun. actually might be going to the dueling piano bar in tempe friday night.
I went there with a few girlfriends a couple years ago... we usually stay on this side of town because no one wants to drive home... Anyway... it was at Arizona Center I think..?? I forget. We had a BLAST! You'll have fun... call a cab.... :)

Oh and after that we went to an after-hours club at Polly Esthers... is it still there? IT was a crazy rave kind of party... not my scene, but it was interesting to say the least... we had fun and rolled home sometime after 3:30am that night.. I think it was a bachelorette party, but I forget.. I was soooo tired the next morning when my baby woke me up at 6:00.... be glad you don't have that to worry about.. yet.

Kristy

15th of June 2007 (Fri), 01:43

I hate my dog... He just took a dump in the living room... darn it! I just let him out to pee and he came back in and took a crap... frickin dog! Anybody want a very old 15 year old pug...?? He's really cute.... and we call him Fred.

disneydork06

15th of June 2007 (Fri), 02:21

I went there with a few girlfriends a couple years ago... we usually stay on this side of town because no one wants to drive home... Anyway... it was at Arizona Center I think..?? I forget. We had a BLAST! You'll have fun... call a cab.... :)

Oh and after that we went to an after-hours club at Polly Esthers... is it still there? IT was a crazy rave kind of party... not my scene, but it was interesting to say the least... we had fun and rolled home sometime after 3:30am that night.. I think it was a bachelorette party, but I forget.. I was soooo tired the next morning when my baby woke me up at 6:00.... be glad you don't have that to worry about.. yet.

haha, polly esthers is gone. can't remember when they shut down...well I believe they're gone. I don't hear of it anymore. but yeah, my friend who has gone doesn't drink :-)
oh and I can't wait for kids. I have fun with them.

I hate my dog... He just took a dump in the living room... darn it! I just let him out to pee and he came back in and took a crap... frickin dog! Anybody want a very old 15 year old pug...?? He's really cute.... and we call him Fred.

what, no pics? :-D

macroshooter1970

15th of June 2007 (Fri), 06:11

wow. that's early...I've been staying up that late...or early :-P

come on cripple boy, can't hang with the older folks.

disneydork06

15th of June 2007 (Fri), 06:21

come on cripple boy, can't hang with the older folks.

lol...i guess i have no choice...

macroshooter1970

15th of June 2007 (Fri), 06:28

lol...i guess i have no choice...

everyone has a choice. did you get a new battery yet?

Adam B.

15th of June 2007 (Fri), 08:50

haha, but I'm trying to do what I can now while I still can. recovering after the surgery will be quite long. :-P

NO, NO, NO, when recovering from surgery you need to party and have fun just to ease the pain while knowing your getting better. Doing so without knowing your getting better justs makes you an alcoholic. ;)

Adam B.

15th of June 2007 (Fri), 08:56

macroshooter1970

15th of June 2007 (Fri), 09:12

looks like Adam is going, Tammie might, Cripple boy is or might, anyone else.

Adam B.

15th of June 2007 (Fri), 10:34

I hope Hatch is. (hint) I need some serious macro lessons.

TammieO

15th of June 2007 (Fri), 10:45

As of right now i'm going. It's still early in the day and my furnaces could take a dump any time (kind of like Kristy's pooch and I'm not disappointed she didn't take any pics of it). I plan to take just my 100mm macro and flash (attached to camera, of course).

macroshooter1970

15th of June 2007 (Fri), 10:59

disneydork06

15th of June 2007 (Fri), 14:47

everyone has a choice. did you get a new battery yet?

nope. i still have the same two old batteries.

Hatch1921

15th of June 2007 (Fri), 14:54

I hope Hatch is. (hint) I need some serious macro lessons. I was going to ask if I could tag along :) I will be there at 0700. I will be glad to help Adam :) My plan is to shoot all natural light with the 100mm macro and the 20mm extension tube...maybe the 36mm tube as well. I love the look of natural light shots.

Tammy... if you bring the Mp-e65 out... the damselflies are pretty easy to shoot... and the tiny butterflies... you will have a blast.

Suggested items to bring:
$5.00 entrance fee
WATER (over 100 degrees out by 10 am)
Long pants ... along the river I found a "trail" LOL where the butterflies were landing on the thistles. The weeds are tall...
Good durable shoes/boots... sandy trails...
maybe a small towel to dry off with... the river and weeds=humidity

Right at the entrance you will see a dozen or so hummingbirds at the feeders...flying back and forth to the trees in the area.

Down by the river and pond for the birders...ducks, blackbirds with red feathers...I came across 2 egrets.

I'd love to be wade out in the water if that was allowed. The frogs sound really cool in the morning. I would love a photo of them.

First thing along the path...hundreds/thousands of funnel web spiders... should make for a fun macro trip.

I haven't made it through every trail in the Preserve... the main 2 trails are easy walking.

Just some thoughts :) I will see you all out there...red Altima.

Hatch

macroshooter1970

15th of June 2007 (Fri), 15:13

how big is the river and pond

macroshooter1970

15th of June 2007 (Fri), 15:15

nope. i still have the same two old batteries.

are you going to go.

Hatch1921

15th of June 2007 (Fri), 15:32

how big is the river and pond

The river is maybe 10 inches deep and 20 feet wide in some places... very shallow.

The pond is about 2 acres in size... duck weed all over...cat tails... the animals dig it. LOL I wouldn't swim in it.

Hatch

macroshooter1970

15th of June 2007 (Fri), 15:36

thanks

disneydork06

15th of June 2007 (Fri), 15:39

are you going to go.

I think I shall tag along. last excursion before I'm bedridden for awhile, and my $5 will go towards something good. So I hope I can fall asleep early enough to get there...and if I can find the place :-P

macroshooter1970

15th of June 2007 (Fri), 15:49

HASSAYAMPA RIVER PRESERVE is three miles southeast of Wickenburg. Take U.S. 60 out of Phoenix. The preserve is on the west side of the highway near milepost marker 114.

disneydork06

15th of June 2007 (Fri), 16:00

NO, NO, NO, when recovering from surgery you need to party and have fun just to ease the pain while knowing your getting better. Doing so without knowing your getting better justs makes you an alcoholic. ;)

haha, good excuse for me to enjoy that "college life". hehe, now maybe I can convince my parents to buy more beer for my pain :-P

Adam B.

15th of June 2007 (Fri), 18:41

I was going to ask if I could tag along :) I will be there at 0700. I will be glad to help Adam :)

Hatch

All are welcome to join.

I need all the help I can get.

Adam B.

15th of June 2007 (Fri), 18:56

The river is maybe 10 inches deep and 20 feet wide in some places... very shallow.

The pond is about 2 acres in size... duck weed all over...cat tails... the animals dig it. LOL I wouldn't swim in it.

Hatch

I didn't make it over to the pond last time I was there. Spent all day on the trails by the river and then climbed up a little hill overlooking the place.

Adam B.

15th of June 2007 (Fri), 19:05

haha, good excuse for me to enjoy that "college life". hehe, now maybe I can convince my parents to buy more beer for my pain :-P

What, your still living with mom and dad :eek: ? Are you 21 years of age yet? I take back everything I've ever said about drinking and partying. You need to spend your Friday nights safe at home drinking cold milk and juices. Yeah that's what I meant. ;)

Kristy

15th of June 2007 (Fri), 19:26

So do you guys think I can get anything with my 24-70? Because thats all I have to work with .... maybe I should skip this one... maybe I should just go and watch you all mastering your craft... With 70mm I can't get very close to much. I tried that with humming birds at the arboretum and realized it wasn't happening... Hmmmm??

macroshooter1970

15th of June 2007 (Fri), 19:35

All are welcome to join.

I need all the help I can get.

what happen, why you need so much help?

macroshooter1970

15th of June 2007 (Fri), 19:37

Kristy

15th of June 2007 (Fri), 19:39

you can take pictures of us bending over with showing the cracks of are !@#*^ when we are shooting macro

lovely :rolleyes: Be sure to wash well, and shave if you have any wild hairs ... if that's going to be what I'm photographing, I want it to look presentable... Also...will you also sign a relese for me so I can us it in my next batch of advertising... And, I'll need a snappy slogan to go with it...

disneydork06

15th of June 2007 (Fri), 19:56

What, your still living with mom and dad :eek: ? Are you 21 years of age yet? I take back everything I've ever said about drinking and partying. You need to spend your Friday nights safe at home drinking cold milk and juices. Yeah that's what I meant. ;)

only if I can have my milk with the added chocolate powder :-) but yes I'm still with my parents, it's the summer and I can't work so I came back to phx instead of staying in flag to work. I would be better off if I went to phx with my parents, that way I save plenty of money and get free food at the same time. free rent and utilities always sounds good to me. :-)

So do you guys think I can get anything with my 24-70? Because thats all I have to work with .... maybe I should skip this one... maybe I should just go and watch you all mastering your craft... With 70mm I can't get very close to much. I tried that with humming birds at the arboretum and realized it wasn't happening... Hmmmm??

I'm going with my 24-70 and mine is not of the L kind :-P. me and you will shoot the people and flowers while they get the macro stuff. so we got all our bases covered then.

lovely :rolleyes: Be sure to wash well, and shave if you have any wild hairs ... if that's going to be what I'm photographing, I want it to look presentable... Also...will you also sign a relese for me so I can us it in my next batch of advertising... And, I'll need a snappy slogan to go with it...

don't forget your thongs you guys, or else no one is gonna look at them on potn when she posts them :-P but ya, i'm gonna hold the reflector for you kristy...so I can use it to cover my eyes.

Adam B.

15th of June 2007 (Fri), 20:12

what happen, why you need so much help?

Because my macro skills su*k. It may be because I'm just unlucky and/or not patient enough. You know what they say about patience being a virture, well I have no virtures. :lol:

Adam B.

15th of June 2007 (Fri), 20:15

you can take pictures of us bending over showing the cracks of are !@#*^ when we are shooting macro

lovely :rolleyes: Be sure to wash well, and shave if you have any wild hairs ... if that's going to be what I'm photographing, I want it to look presentable... Also...will you also sign a relese for me so I can us it in my next batch of advertising... And, I'll need a snappy slogan to go with it...

I just fell out of my chair laughing so hard. OMG that's too good. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Adam B.

15th of June 2007 (Fri), 20:20

only if I can have my milk with the added chocolate powder :-) but yes I'm still with my parents, it's the summer and I can't work so I came back to phx instead of staying in flag to work. I would be better off if I went to phx with my parents, that way I save plenty of money and get free food at the same time. free rent and utilities always sounds good to me. :-)

I'm going with my 24-70 and mine is not of the L kind :-P. me and you will shoot the people and flowers while they get the macro stuff. so we got all our bases covered then.

don't forget your thongs you guys, or else no one is gonna look at them on potn when she posts them :-P but ya, i'm gonna hold the reflector for you kristy...so I can use it to cover my eyes.

You're a very intelligent man, Ryan!!!:)

TammieO

15th of June 2007 (Fri), 22:05

Russ isn't going so I'll have an extra 100mm macro that Ryan and Kristy can play with.

macroshooter1970

15th of June 2007 (Fri), 22:05

Because my macro skills su*k. It may be because I'm just unlucky and/or not patient enough. You know what they say about patience being a virture, well I have no virtures. :lol:

I'd be glad to help you if you would just ask. First rule #1 patience, the rest will come very easy after that my friend. :)

macroshooter1970

15th of June 2007 (Fri), 22:26

rule #2 a little more patience

Kristy

15th of June 2007 (Fri), 22:44

okay....now I'm talking with hubby.... to get clearance.... someone has to watch the kids, and I'm supposed to be cleaning the house....:rolleyes: and by Friday, it's a little out of order... I'll tidy up tonight... I already did earlier, but I went to the gym and came home to a beautiful mess.... these children think I'm a short order cook, personal hand-maid, general maintance woman, among other things......

EDIT TO ADD... How long do you think it takes to get there from Peoria? An hour? I'm sooo not the early bird that you guys are. I like to stay up late and drink wine and either visit with friends, or read the forums, or chat with an old friend... you're messing up my routine.

plus I have an appointment tomorrow afternoon... Oh, what's a girl to do....?

Kristy

15th of June 2007 (Fri), 22:45

I just fell out of my chair laughing so hard. OMG that's too good. :lol: :lol: :lol:

sorry.... I couldn't resist... I like Ryan's idea about thongs... they are sexy and every man must wear one!

Adam B.

15th of June 2007 (Fri), 23:54

rule #2 a little more patience

I can't seam to get pass rule #1. :lol:

Adam B.

16th of June 2007 (Sat), 00:01

Adam B.

16th of June 2007 (Sat), 00:05

sorry.... I couldn't resist... I like Ryan's idea about thongs... they are sexy and every man must wear one!

That's just sick and wrong.

disneydork06

16th of June 2007 (Sat), 04:46

EDIT TO ADD... How long do you think it takes to get there from Peoria? An hour? I'm sooo not the early bird that you guys are. I like to stay up late and drink wine and either visit with friends, or read the forums, or chat with an old friend... you're messing up my routine.

it shouldn't be that bad for you since ur in peoria. Just get to grand ave and then head north. it should be about an hour for me and i'm on bell and i17. I need to sleep...

macroshooter1970

16th of June 2007 (Sat), 05:17

it shouldn't be that bad for you since ur in peoria. Just get to grand ave and then head north. it should be about an hour for me and i'm on bell and i17. I need to sleep...

oh my look who is awake, or did you ever go to bed.

Adam B.

16th of June 2007 (Sat), 07:35

Out the door now. See you.

Kristy

16th of June 2007 (Sat), 15:18

hi guys... Thanks again... I had fun today. It's nice taking pictures of whatever strikes your mood, just because you can.. I'll check to see what I got a little later... I'd love to see some of your masterpieces from today..

See ya. :)

Hatch1921

16th of June 2007 (Sat), 16:53

Very nice to meet you all :) I had a blast!!

Thank you Tammie for making my day. The Mp-E65 is an amazing tool...so sharp and the twin lights rocked.

Here are a few shots from the trip. I have many more to work on. F/16 brought out all the details to include all the EVIL sensor dust. Spot healing tool is all but worn out in Photoshop. LOL

Thanks again all for the day out... so nice to be around people who enjoy photography.

Talk to you soon.
Hatch

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1167/558195599_630017a536_o.jpg

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macroshooter1970

16th of June 2007 (Sat), 17:12

you pictures look real good Hatch. Was also a pleasure to meet you today.

Not sure what happened to me today, but none of my pictures came out worth keeping. :confused:

Adam B.

16th of June 2007 (Sat), 20:39

Yes Hatch, I'm sitting here at my computer cursing you again. :lol: WOW fantasic shots. I really like that robber(?) fly with his dinner.

I been though the first cull of my shots. Not too bad, not too good.

I'm not sure I like twin flash unit. Should have dialed in about -1 FEC on most of my shots.:(

Need more practice shooting macro/close-up.

Thanks to all, I had a great time and learned a lot.

Hatch1921

16th of June 2007 (Sat), 22:53

Great to meet you both. Always a pleasure to be around folks who enjoy the hobby/passion of photography that we have.

Adam... my ears are on fire! LOL So glad you like the shots. The MP-e65 was so much fun to shoot. I could have stayed there all day shooting. The end results are amazing! I think a monopod or bean pole would have helped with the 5x shots. I only had a few come out. Composition on them were not so good. The limited DOF is a bear to work with.

Again, very nice to meet you all. I hope we can meet up again in the near future.

Take care,
Hatch

Adam B.

17th of June 2007 (Sun), 00:01

Here is a few of mine from our trip today. Not bad for a rookie.

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1350/558863488_bc0872edb2_o.jpg

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Hatch1921

17th of June 2007 (Sun), 00:28

They are all great shots. Looing through your Flickr account now :) Nuber one is awesome because you caught the ant in the focal plane along with the spider. The damselflies are something else... the colors are great. I think you did a great job! Hatch

macroshooter1970

17th of June 2007 (Sun), 00:37

damselflies are crazy looking, nice shot Adam.

wish mine came out half as good.

Adam B.

17th of June 2007 (Sun), 00:53

Thanks guys, that's an ego boost.

Mike, what happen?

Kristy

17th of June 2007 (Sun), 01:29

WOW, WOW, WOW, WOW! Awesome work guys... Super really!

Thanks Tammy for letting me borrow your lens.... Here are a few of mine..nothing compared to Hatch and Adam, but hey.. all natural light and no extender... so... And I guess I like flowers because I ended up with lots of them... :) I'll post more on my smugmug if you want to peek later...

Happy Father's Day to the Dads and enjoy the rest of your weekend.

http://ksnyderphoto.smugmug.com/photos/163660332-M.jpg
http://ksnyderphoto.smugmug.com/photos/163656126-M.jpg
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disneydork06

17th of June 2007 (Sun), 02:39

awesome photos everyone. scared to see what I got after seeing all these photos. I'm not a big fan of macro but I did enjoy hanging out with you folks. finally, someone to talk to in person about gear :-) I went for more of the landscape shots, will post if I ever find anything worthy of all the pics taken here.

macroshooter1970

17th of June 2007 (Sun), 06:01

Thanks guys, that's an ego boost.

Mike, what happen?

wish I new, guess it was just a bad day for me. still had a good time as always.

Adam B.

17th of June 2007 (Sun), 07:43

Kristy, very nice shots!!! Every bit as good, if not better, then mine. That hopper is fantasic.

Adam B.

17th of June 2007 (Sun), 07:46

Adam B.

17th of June 2007 (Sun), 07:47

wish I new, guess it was just a bad day for me. still had a good time as always.

Maybe it was just too warm for you? I lost more than one shot because of sweet in my eyes.

TammieO

17th of June 2007 (Sun), 09:35

It was a tough day with the heat and I got over a half dozen bites on my arms. Despite all of that, I really had a great time!
Hatch, I was really excited to see your shots after chimping on your LCD. They did not disappoint. The detail in those eyeballs are amazing.
Adam, gotta love that spider eyeing that poor little ant. I saw the same beetle you got in your last shot, but mine was how shall I put it...out of focus poo poo.
Kristy, you did a great job with the 100mm macro! I think the OOF colors in the background look pretty with the yellow flower.
I'll post a couple of mine in a couple of minutes. Need to re-size the pics and thow the laundry in the dryer.

TammieO

17th of June 2007 (Sun), 09:48

These were both shot with natural light and cropped just a little bit. I decided to share the miner bee and beefly. I got shots of a half dozen different types of butterflies, but I'm not thrilled with any of them. I used about f9 to get the antenae in focus, so the background is not as smooth as these where the background stuff was farther away.

Kristy

17th of June 2007 (Sun), 09:55

Those are awesome Tammy! :) Great job.... It was fun.. I realized that it's difficult to shoot tiny little bugs, and most of my shots were heavily cropped... I'll have to move in a little close next time, and try out an extender to see what it can do. Macro isn't my specialty, but I love trying new things and I think I might make a little gallery wall of my favorite flowers and butterflies for fun..

Happy Day to everyone.. Gotta run!! :)

ToferPhotography

17th of June 2007 (Sun), 10:03

lovely :rolleyes: Be sure to wash well, and shave if you have any wild hairs ... if that's going to be what I'm photographing, I want it to look presentable... Also...will you also sign a relese for me so I can us it in my next batch of advertising... And, I'll need a snappy slogan to go with it...

Good one :) "Just say NO to crack!"

ToferPhotography

17th of June 2007 (Sun), 10:07

Nice captures by all of you, Hatch, sharp images!

One day i will join one of these outings and meet up with you fine folks!

Adam B.

17th of June 2007 (Sun), 11:09

Nice bees Tammie!!!

Adam B.

17th of June 2007 (Sun), 11:19

Nice captures by all of you, Hatch, sharp images!

One day i will join one of these outings and meet up with you fine folks!

Look forward to meeting you also.

We are getting quite the group here!!! Lots of various skills and talents.:D

Hatch1921

17th of June 2007 (Sun), 13:11

Kristy,

I think you did great for your first time shooting the 100mm macro. I really like the butterfly and the damselfly photos. Thank you for letting me shoot with the 24-70L. The images are tack sharp!!! Very little processing needed straight from RAW. The colors/contrast are wonderful. It is right on top of the "must have” list.

Tammie,

Thank you so much for letting me use the lens combo. I was in shock when I opened a few of these photos. The details are stunning!!! Please let Russ know I will "Rock, Paper, Scissor" him for the setup. :) LOL Looking back... I should have gone to my car and grabbed the monopod for a little extra stability. I had a couple turn out at over 4x... but... I had many which had slight motion blur to them. I can't thank you enough. Now... flip the coin and buy the 65/flash combo or the 24-70L??? LOL

I will post a few more shots here in a bit. It is taking me a little longer to work the images this time around... shooting at f/16 with the 65...EVERY speck of sensor dust shows in the photos. What a nightmare! Time to get the camera serviced. :)

I had a blast and it was great to meet you all. I hope we continue to shoot more together. Everyone is so talented and I know we can learn more from one another as time goes on.

Have a fun week.
Hatch

TammieO

17th of June 2007 (Sun), 14:21

Now... flip the coin and buy the 65/flash combo or the 24-70L??? LOL

I will post a few more shots here in a bit. It is taking me a little longer to work the images this time around... shooting at f/16 with the 65...EVERY speck of sensor dust shows in the photos. What a nightmare! Time to get the camera serviced. :)

I had a blast and it was great to meet you all. I hope we continue to shoot more together. Everyone is so talented and I know we can learn more from one another as time goes on.

Have a fun week.
Hatch

IMO, 65 MPE is a luxury that's fun to have. You'll make more money from the 24-70.

Ain't sensor dust a royal PAIN?

I've had a really fun time with all of our get togethers. We'll need to schedule something and bring out the big glass. Geoff wanted a try with Russ's sigma 300-800. I'll bring my 500 and Mike can bring his new 300 2.8. Anyone got a spare Sherpa?

I had a peek at your Hassayampa gallery. I'm 99.9% sure of the following...
Tiny_butterfly_9 is a Marine Blue
Tiny_butterfly_2 is a Fatal Metalmark
Large_butterfly_9 is a Pipevine Swallowtail
Large_butterfly (same one Kristy posted) is a Viceroy
Large_butterfly_4 (the white one) is a Checkered White
Skipper_2 is a Fiery Skipper
You got some killer shots (I'm 100% sure of this)!

Hatch1921

17th of June 2007 (Sun), 14:27

Thank you for the info about the insects. I will go back and give them proper titles.

I have to agree the 24-70 would be the better choice. But... the 65 was so much fun!!! LOL

I would love to go out and shoot the long glass. I will be the pack mule if you need some help. LOL

Here are a few more shots. The crazy fly on the bottom of Adam's 5d came out pretty decent.

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TammieO

17th of June 2007 (Sun), 14:37

I find the detail in the insect eyeballs just fasinating. The shot of the skipper eyeball showing the facets and pollen grains is super.

macroshooter1970

17th of June 2007 (Sun), 15:33

Maybe it was just too warm for you? I lost more than one shot because of sweet in my eyes.

It wasn't the heat. I went out today to Boyce Thompson and screwed around. My pictures came out fine, so now I can 100% say it was due to the 1.4x extender I used on Sat that messed me up. Thanks Hatch, but the end result with it was not passing. I'll stick with he 100mm and tubes.

macroshooter1970

17th of June 2007 (Sun), 15:44

nice pictures there Tammie, Adam, Kristy, Hatch.

macroshooter1970

17th of June 2007 (Sun), 15:48

TammieO

17th of June 2007 (Sun), 16:26

TammieO

17th of June 2007 (Sun), 16:30

It wasn't the heat. I went out today to Boyce Thompson and screwed around. My pictures came out fine, so now I can 100% say it was due to the 1.4x extender I used on Sat that messed me up. Thanks Hatch, but the end result with it was not passing. I'll stick with he 100mm and tubes.

Or just get the 65 ;)

macroshooter1970

17th of June 2007 (Sun), 16:44

Or just get the 65 ;)

I'm still thinking about it, but for the time being I'm happy with the set up I have for now.

TammieO

17th of June 2007 (Sun), 16:59

I'm still thinking about it, but for the time being I'm happy with the set up I have for now.

Okay. How about when we go visit Cliff Dwellings, I'll bring the 24-70 and 16-35 to tempt you. :cool:

sassinak

17th of June 2007 (Sun), 17:01

TammieO

17th of June 2007 (Sun), 17:06

Not sure yet if I'm going to be available for it, but that sounds good to me, maybe by then I'll be halfway to a new lens. :)

We missed you this weekend. If you can make the Cliff Dwelling Expedition, I'm sure there will be lenses you can try out.:)

macroshooter1970

17th of June 2007 (Sun), 17:09

Okay. How about when we go visit Cliff Dwellings, I'll bring the 24-70 and 16-35 to tempt you. :cool:

I'm more intrested in the 16-35mm range if I had a FF camera, not to keen on spending 2700 on a camera to be honest. Had to really pull away from that temptation. But if I do go down that path again I think I will try the canon 10-22 so I can have 16-35 on the crop. Had the sigma, but just a bit to much distortion, the canon is a tad better from the sample I took.

Forgot to mention, if you bring it I will glady use it. :)

macroshooter1970

17th of June 2007 (Sun), 17:11

Not sure yet if I'm going to be available for it, but that sounds good to me, maybe by then I'll be halfway to a new lens. :)

don't let a lens hold you back, join in by all means.

macroshooter1970

17th of June 2007 (Sun), 17:13

I need coffee, Tammie ask Russ if he wants to take a ride done 60 with me to get a cup :)

TammieO

17th of June 2007 (Sun), 17:59

I need coffee, Tammie ask Russ if he wants to take a ride done 60 with me to get a cup :)

Too late in the day for caffeine. You won't be able to sleep tonight.:lol: Russ laughed when I told him about traveling west on 60.

Adam B.

17th of June 2007 (Sun), 18:15

Does anyone like Ciff Dwellings? I like this stuff, visited many of them in NM and Mesa Verde which I like the best so far, but was planning on going to see this some time maybe in a month or 2. Thought I'd ask

http://www.americansouthwest.net/arizona/tonto/national_monument.html

I'm game. It'll be a nice opportunity to break out some of my lesser used lenses. We could also visit some ruins that are further north to get out of the heat.

I'm game also.

An escape from the heat could be to the Sunset crater and Wupatki National Monuments. I've done the crater before but not any of the ruins.

http://www.nps.gov/sucr/

http://www.nps.gov/wupa/

Adam B.

17th of June 2007 (Sun), 18:18

Not sure yet if I'm going to be available for it, but that sounds good to me, maybe by then I'll be halfway to a new lens. :)

What new lens is that Adam?

macroshooter1970

17th of June 2007 (Sun), 18:20

I'm game also.

An escape from the heat could be to the Sunset crater and Wupatki National Monuments. I've done the crater before but not any of the ruins.

http://www.nps.gov/sucr/

http://www.nps.gov/wupa/

now were talking.............I love this stuff.

Adam B.

17th of June 2007 (Sun), 18:22

Too late in the day for caffeine. You won't be able to sleep tonight.:lol: Russ laughed when I told him about traveling west on 60.

Did you tell Russ about his lead foot? Damn, I thought I drove fast. I will say, however, we both got to I-17 at the same time.

Adam B.

17th of June 2007 (Sun), 18:24

now were talking.............I love this stuff.

It's a nice little day trip.

macroshooter1970

17th of June 2007 (Sun), 18:24

Did you tell Russ about his lead foot? Damn, I thought I drove fast. I will say, however, we both got to I-17 at the same time.

ya but that's only because of them slooooooow poke drivers got in my way.

TammieO

17th of June 2007 (Sun), 18:32

now were talking.............I love this stuff.

It's a nice little day trip.

I've been to Montezuma's Castle a long time ago. I've been told the ruins at Walnut Canyon are good to see too. I'm sure if we plan ahead, we can visit more than one in a day.

TammieO

17th of June 2007 (Sun), 18:34

Did you tell Russ about his lead foot? Damn, I thought I drove fast. I will say, however, we both got to I-17 at the same time.

It must have been the caffeine from Starbucks. :lol:

Adam B.

17th of June 2007 (Sun), 18:37

ya but that's only because of them slooooooow poke drivers got in my way.

Lots of them fools leaving the lake.

Adam B.

17th of June 2007 (Sun), 18:42

I've been to Montezuma's Castle a long time ago. I've been told the ruins at Walnut Canyon are good to see too. I'm sure if we plan ahead, we can visit more than one in a day.

I haven't been to Montezuma's Castle since I was a kid. Never been to the ruins a Walnut Canyon. I love this state, so much to see and do!!!

http://www.nps.gov/waca/