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photobitz
2nd of December 2007 (Sun), 19:59
30D camera, Kenko extension tubes, 100mm f/2.8 Macro lens, 430EX flash, and a hacked 3Litre milk bottle container DIY diffuser :) :oops:

Any results?

troypiggo
2nd of December 2007 (Sun), 20:23
Any results?

G'day Dan,

This was taken using that setup:

http://piggo.com/~troy/photos/2007_12_01-wasp_macros/img_4460.jpg

That's all flash light - couple of times I shot 2 in quick succession before the flash recharged and they came out pitch black, so I'm assuming there's no ambient light at all in these shots.
More were posted in the Macro forum couple of days ago:

http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=414586

I'm happy with those results considering my lack of experience.

macroshooter1970
2nd of December 2007 (Sun), 20:32
30D camera, Kenko extension tubes, 100mm f/2.8 Macro lens, 430EX flash, and a hacked 3Litre milk bottle container DIY diffuser :) :oops:


hmmmmmmmm that's different

troypiggo
2nd of December 2007 (Sun), 20:39
Haha. It aint pretty, but it's good enough for me at the moment until I can afford some sort of bracket and off-shoe chord. You should see the looks my fiance gives when I use it. I think I'm embarrassing her :)

macroshooter1970
2nd of December 2007 (Sun), 21:03
Haha. It aint pretty, but it's good enough for me at the moment until I can afford some sort of bracket and off-shoe chord. You should see the looks my fiance gives when I use it. I think I'm embarrassing her :)


all that matters is it work for you.

AirBrontosaurus
3rd of December 2007 (Mon), 20:15
Haha. It aint pretty, but it's good enough for me at the moment until I can afford some sort of bracket and off-shoe chord. You should see the looks my fiance gives when I use it. I think I'm embarrassing her :)

Don't let it get to you! I used to take a piece of printer paper, fold it in half, and tape it over top my camera's built in flash to get the light to the end of my Sigma 70-300mm with a reversed lens on the end. It was probably the goofiest thing in the history of things, but it worked, darnit!

photobitz
4th of December 2007 (Tue), 06:05
Haha. It aint pretty, but it's good enough for me at the moment until I can afford some sort of bracket and off-shoe chord. You should see the looks my fiance gives when I use it. I think I'm embarrassing her :)

I wasn't mocking your rig by the way... Photography is all about experimentation, so whatever works is fine by me. ;)
I was just curious because it looks like most of the light from the flash would disappear over the top of your subject but obviously this is not the case. :D

troypiggo
4th of December 2007 (Tue), 07:41
No worries. I think you're right actually. I might try putting something inside to reflect light down more.

macro junkie
5th of December 2007 (Wed), 04:54
30D camera, Kenko extension tubes, 100mm f/2.8 Macro lens, 430EX flash, and a hacked 3Litre milk bottle container DIY diffuser :) :oops:
hahahahahahahahahahaha

troypiggo
5th of December 2007 (Wed), 05:41
:) Not all of us can afford the MT-24EX and MPE-65 :-P

ben_r_
7th of December 2007 (Fri), 17:57
Waiting for my Velbon Macro Rail to come in before I post my rig... Another week hopefully.

aiea1
8th of December 2007 (Sat), 22:08
Here's mine, 30D,MR-14EX Ring Lite, EF25 II Ext Tube, EF 100mm 2.8 Macro , Egro Rest TriPod, Velbon Slider and a Manfrotto 484RC2 ball Head. I will replace the ball head soon as it just can not handle the Weight of the Camer, lens and flash
http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc67/aiea1/Macro/MacroRig.jpg

G35Driver
8th of December 2007 (Sat), 22:35
Here's mine, 30D,MR-14EX Ring Lite, EF25 II Ext Tube, EF 100mm 2.8 Macro , Egro Rest TriPod, Velbon Slider and a Manfrotto 484RC2 ball Head. I will replace the ball head soon as it just can not handle the Weight of the Camer, lens and flash
http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc67/aiea1/Macro/MacroRig.jpg
david I wanna see the results with this setup.

ben_r_
9th of December 2007 (Sun), 18:48
Well here's a crappy pic with an old sony p&s of the macro rig. Heres the specs:

40D w/ Battery Grip
Canon 2x Extender
Kenko 12mm, 20mm, and 36mm DG Extension Set
Canon 100mm f/2.8 USM Macro lens
Tripod Ring Mount B (B)
B+W 58mm MRC UV Haze Filter
Canon MT-24EX Twin Light Flash
Canon TC80N3 Remote Control (not pictured)
Canon Angle Finder C (not pictured)
StoFen Omni-Bounce Flash Diffuser Set
Velbon Super Mag Slider Macro Rail
Bogen/Manfrotto 410 Geared Tripod Head
Bogen/Manfrotto 05XPROB Tripod Legs

ben_r_
13th of December 2007 (Thu), 23:00
Well my rig just changed. I just returned the 2x TC and will be selling the kenko extension tubes soon and did both to pay for the MP-E 65mm lens I just ordered. Will update rig pic soon! :)

Hland
14th of December 2007 (Fri), 00:02
Wow!!! I am no where near advanced as you guys! I use the macro setting on my 75-300 lense Just wow lol! I have a lot of money to save hehe.

ron chappel
20th of December 2007 (Thu), 07:55
This is my current macro setup - something abit different.Perhaps it will be of interest to some?
All it is is a common canon EF 35-80III lens that has had the front element group removed.While this kind of mod rarely gives great results ,i seem to have lucked onto a winner with this one!
It's tiny,light,gives very good image quality at all focal lengths and apertures plus -best of all- it is so small that it doesn't block the on camera flash!
Magnification varies from 1:1.2 to 1.75:1

Some may be cringing at the idea of using a bodgeup lens like this together with the built in flash but i must say it makes handheld macro SO easy!It's amazing how one can just walk around the garden and come back with a bunch of amazing pics.
There are times when the flash meters wrong ,etc but it allmost never seems to give bad shadows or highlights.That surprised me i have to admit

The lens (with some cheap looking homemade stickers)
http://members.dodo.net.au/~l8r_ron/images/mc1.jpg

And here are some example pics (gotta show off,lol)
http://members.dodo.net.au/~l8r_ron/images/mca.jpg
http://members.dodo.net.au/~l8r_ron/images/mcb.jpg
http://members.dodo.net.au/~l8r_ron/images/mcd.jpg
http://members.dodo.net.au/~l8r_ron/images/mch.jpg
http://members.dodo.net.au/~l8r_ron/images/mcg.jpg
http://members.dodo.net.au/~l8r_ron/images/mce.jpg

Samdiver74
20th of December 2007 (Thu), 14:51
Wow Ron very impressed with that macro set-up you have, there are some great pictures there.

Dave.H
27th of December 2007 (Thu), 09:59
Thanks for this thread! It taught me I don't need a ring flash. I picked up a 100mm Canon Macro and Promaster Extension Tube set yesterday. I haven't had much time to play since I have been chasing my daughter but here are a couple pics of my new setup and the only picture I have taken so far (yeah very boring)...

http://www.haughs.net/gallery/d/9954-1/DSC00358.jpg

http://www.haughs.net/gallery/d/9956-1/DSC00359.jpg

http://www.haughs.net/gallery/d/9958-1/IMG_4696.jpg

Sancho
29th of December 2007 (Sat), 00:55
Rebel XT/350D w/battery grip.
Tamron 90mm macro lens w/Tamron 2X TC (optional). Tamron hood not shown and normally not used.
Kenko tubes (not shown).
Canon 420 EX flash (off-camera cord not shown) mounted on a Delta flexible arm bracket.
Remote button rests on a piece of velcro attached to the grip when not in use.
Mini tripod is just for this shot. Usually use a Manfrotto tripod or monopod if anything.

http://www.buggytexas.com/images/macrosetup.jpg

Wow! I LOVE this flash mount and bendy arm, is it bought or home made can i ask? Would love to get something like this.

aiea1
29th of December 2007 (Sat), 01:13
Thats sold by B&H and other camera retailers.
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/15544-REG/Delta_46190_Flip_Flash_I_Bracket.html

Sancho
29th of December 2007 (Sat), 01:35
Thats sold by B&H and other camera retailers.
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/15544-REG/Delta_46190_Flip_Flash_I_Bracket.html

Yeah After browsing a few more pages i saw someone mention the name and i googled it and found one, will order one in the very near future! Now bare with me here, a bit of a noob sorry, the exten sion cable that every shot has from the camera to the flash, does this have a name? And is there a specific model for a canon 400D to a canon 550ex? Just so I know what to order.

One other thing, I notice most of you are using a canon 430ex rather than their bigger brothers, is there a reason for this?

Thanks.

Sancho
29th of December 2007 (Sat), 02:25
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/515454-REG/Bower_SFDRL14C_SFDRL14C_Macro_Ringlight_Flash.html

What do you guys with experience think of this?

lance v
29th of December 2007 (Sat), 02:37
Heres my set up

sometimes with monopod but 99% of the time its hand held

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2193/2145192457_d92e4ed975_o.jpg

troypiggo
29th of December 2007 (Sat), 07:12
Yeah After browsing a few more pages i saw someone mention the name and i googled it and found one, will order one in the very near future! Now bare with me here, a bit of a noob sorry, the exten sion cable that every shot has from the camera to the flash, does this have a name? And is there a specific model for a canon 400D to a canon 550ex? Just so I know what to order.

One other thing, I notice most of you are using a canon 430ex rather than their bigger brothers, is there a reason for this?

Thanks.

Read carefully all reviews of that delta bracket. I hear the arm can be too flexible/loose. I've never used one though.

I just bought a Novoflex bracket like this:
http://www.adorama.com/images/Product/NVFGB.JPG
http://www.adorama.com/NVFGB.html?searchinfo=novoflex&item_no=52

Only picked it up yesterday so haven't had much of a chance to use it, but it is very high quality and strong. I was worried about the ball-head, but it's plenty strong enough for my 430EX flash.

They recommend this flexible extension arm to buy as well, but I don't think I'll ever need to use it. With 430EX and the ball-head, I can have 100mm macro lens + full set of kenko tubes + 2x TC all attached at once and still have the flash pointing directly at min focus distance.

You will need the off-camera shoe chord, or some other method of firing the flash off-camera.

Alan B
29th of December 2007 (Sat), 11:31
Does anyone know where in the UK i can get a Delta flexible arm bracket ?.

Samdiver74
29th of December 2007 (Sat), 11:34
Sancho
I would seriously hold off on getting the Delta Flip flash bracket, in hot climates the plastic loosens up and won't hold the weight of the 580EX without it creeping and getting you frustrated.
The Novoflex looks like the better alternative for a little more money.
More of a modular system.
most of us use the Canon off camera shoe cord
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00004WCG6/ref=pd_cp__3_img?pf_rd_p=250314001&pf_rd_s=center-41&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=B000OEP3F4&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=18V550GMBDR7AQFTWZN0

however for a few dollars more you can buy the newer Canon off shoe cord OC-E3
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000OEP3F4/ref=ord_cart_shr?%5Fencoding=UTF8&m=A17MC6HOH9AVE6&v=glance

The primary reason why I went this route for my gear is as follows
I now have an external flash unit which I can use for all other types of Photography as well as Macro, also half the price of the MT24EX flash unit with more diversity.

Use of reversed 50mm technique has introduced me to higher Magnified Macro. If I couldn't cope with this technique then I am certainly not going to drop $1600 on the MP-E 65mm and the MT24EX.
However I have been bitten by the macro bug now and the MT24EX and MP-E will one day be part of my equipment list.

Next route of equipment purchases for me are Kenko Extension tubes, and then the Canon STE2 wireless flash controller.

racketman
29th of December 2007 (Sat), 11:40
Does anyone know where in the UK i can get a Delta flexible arm bracket ?.

you can't. :(

Alan B
29th of December 2007 (Sat), 11:43
you can't. :(

Thats a shame :confused:

Sancho
29th of December 2007 (Sat), 15:22
Sancho
I would seriously hold off on getting the Delta Flip flash bracket, in hot climates the plastic loosens up and won't hold the weight of the 580EX without it creeping and getting you frustrated.
The Novoflex looks like the better alternative for a little more money.
More of a modular system.
most of us use the Canon off camera shoe cord
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00004WCG6/ref=pd_cp__3_img?pf_rd_p=250314001&pf_rd_s=center-41&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=B000OEP3F4&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=18V550GMBDR7AQFTWZN0

however for a few dollars more you can buy the newer Canon off shoe cord OC-E3
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000OEP3F4/ref=ord_cart_shr?%5Fencoding=UTF8&m=A17MC6HOH9AVE6&v=glance

The primary reason why I went this route for my gear is as follows
I now have an external flash unit which I can use for all other types of Photography as well as Macro, also half the price of the MT24EX flash unit with more diversity.

Use of reversed 50mm technique has introduced me to higher Magnified Macro. If I couldn't cope with this technique then I am certainly not going to drop $1600 on the MP-E 65mm and the MT24EX.
However I have been bitten by the macro bug now and the MT24EX and MP-E will one day be part of my equipment list.

Next route of equipment purchases for me are Kenko Extension tubes, and then the Canon STE2 wireless flash controller.

Great! thank you for your feedback there :) Would you mind telling me the difference between the two cords there? Can't believe the price of those cables, I worked in Audio Visual installations for years and know the markup on cables so HATE paying big money for cables LOL

troypiggo
29th of December 2007 (Sat), 16:27
Great! thank you for your feedback there :) Would you mind telling me the difference between the two cords there? Can't believe the price of those cables, I worked in Audio Visual installations for years and know the markup on cables so HATE paying big money for cables LOL

Not a huge difference. I have the latter one. The build quality is very good. From what I understood when looking into it, it's slightly better build quality, more "weatherproof" than the predecessor. The connection to the camera hot shoe is a lever type action, the predecessor appears to have been a screw type action similar to the 430EX connection. Functionally they both do the same thing.

I saw cheaper knock-offs on ebay like this while searching:
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/E-TTL-II-OFF-CAMERA-FLASH-SHOE-CORD-FOR-CANON-30D-40D_W0QQitemZ310010630967QQihZ021QQcategoryZ64354Q QrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD2VQQcmdZViewItem?_trksid=p1638 .m122
but decided for something like this I didn't want to skimp.

Don't know about quality etc, but you may consider remote triggers that may be a little cheaper.

Or, if you are handy at making your own, google will find plenty of DIY off camera shoe chords for you :)

Samdiver74
29th of December 2007 (Sat), 19:31
Like Troypiggo said the later one OC-E3 has an updated metal foot as opposed to the plastic one on OC-E2.
I have heard of a few guys breaking the plastic ones.

elysium
1st of January 2008 (Tue), 20:30
30D camera, Kenko extension tubes, 100mm f/2.8 Macro lens, 430EX flash, and a hacked 3Litre milk bottle container DIY diffuser :) :oops:
Thats pretty much bang on what I have done but used a 6 litre and it works a treat!

Diffuses light easily and makes a nice lightweight addition. Need more play about with it but so far im happy. Need to make a few adjustments before clicking like crazy. need to go find some bugs too!

Also, currently in the making...my own custom macro ringflash. Needs lot of work+tweaking.

http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/6654/img1424mediumwt6.jpg

Warby
4th of January 2008 (Fri), 16:52
Here are a couple of shots of my current rig. I can't take any credit for any home made or improvised bits, but it all seems to work pretty well at the moment - until I decide to tamper with it!

http://www.8frerichs.freeserve.co.uk/IMG_3079.jpg

http://www.8frerichs.freeserve.co.uk/IMG_3080.jpg

Paul

troypiggo
4th of January 2008 (Fri), 22:44
** UPDATE: I'm now using this setup (http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showpost.php?p=6312008&postcount=355) **

Recently updated my rig by getting a Novoflex Flashgriff bracket and OC-E3 off-camera shoe chord:

http://piggo.com/~troy/photos/gear/500/img_2620.jpg (http://piggo.com/~troy/photos/gear/1280/img_2620.jpg)

http://piggo.com/~troy/photos/gear/500/img_2621.jpg (http://piggo.com/~troy/photos/gear/1280/img_2621.jpg)

http://piggo.com/~troy/photos/gear/500/img_2622.jpg (http://piggo.com/~troy/photos/gear/1280/img_2622.jpg)

http://piggo.com/~troy/photos/gear/500/img_2623.jpg (http://piggo.com/~troy/photos/gear/1280/img_2623.jpg)

Dave.H
5th of January 2008 (Sat), 09:55
Recently updated my rig by getting a Novoflex Flashgriff bracket and OC-E3 off-camera shoe chord:




What diffuser is that?

troypiggo
5th of January 2008 (Sat), 16:58
It's a lightsphere knock-off from HK. I'm not 100% sold on it, still playing with the diffusion. Got it from somewhere like this cheap:
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Lambency-CLEAR-Flash-Diffuser-for-Canon-380EX-430EX-O2V_W0QQitemZ130186847033QQihZ003QQcategoryZ15221Q QssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

elysium
6th of January 2008 (Sun), 15:40
I finished mine. Not exactly the most technical out there but a bit of filling on the gaps but it works.

http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/1993/img1613ip7.jpg

Heres the money shot

http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/117/img1586mediumix9.jpg

MrEd
6th of January 2008 (Sun), 17:24
^^^ now that is a homemade flash lol. nice job, would be good to see some insect/flowers etc with it!

elysium
6th of January 2008 (Sun), 17:27
^^^ now that is a homemade flash lol. nice job, would be good to see some insect/flowers etc with it!
Will defo give it a try. Just finished a little while ago. Not had time to really find any bugs. Plants are rare in the house too :(

R.H. Johnson II
10th of January 2008 (Thu), 20:16
my macro...........;)

troypiggo
10th of January 2008 (Thu), 21:16
Wow! How does that go shooting insects? :)

macro junkie
11th of January 2008 (Fri), 11:41
A match made in heaven

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2269/2185764136_a0e1942a0d_b.jpg

MrEd
11th of January 2008 (Fri), 15:26
Wow! How does that go shooting insects? :)

sod trying to get low in the weeds with that bad boy!!!! :eek:

macro junkie
11th of January 2008 (Fri), 15:37
my macro...........;)

i bet thats worth alot of money all that tripod rig.

racketman
13th of January 2008 (Sun), 08:31
40D with MPE65, diffused 430ex mounted on RAM parts:

http://www.pbase.com/racketman/image/91595973.jpg

http://www.pbase.com/racketman/image/91623193.jpg

Ferco
16th of January 2008 (Wed), 11:20
Hey Toby, just a quick question; with your 40D do you use Live View for Macro; it's just I thought this would be quite cool for Macro but I asked Brian and he said he still prefers the viewer...?

Courierman
16th of January 2008 (Wed), 13:07
the mirror and shuter have to close before you take the shot ,so a bug may go out of focus before you get the shot

racketman
16th of January 2008 (Wed), 14:00
Hey Toby, just a quick question; with your 40D do you use Live View for Macro; it's just I thought this would be quite cool for Macro but I asked Brian and he said he still prefers the viewer...?

I have used live view with my MK3 but only for tripod mounted studio shots.

leonz
20th of January 2008 (Sun), 13:29
http://lh5.google.com/leonid.nilva/R5TAwoN-uoI/AAAAAAAAA04/2d2DwT5bons/s800/91859757.bxzxT9nU.jpg

XTi, 100mm, Kenko 1.4x, hakuba lh1 bracket w/Giottos head

Courierman
1st of February 2008 (Fri), 12:17
got a new camera today Canon 40D :eek: to go with my new MP-E 65 2.8 :eek:


http://mcc.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/pics/40DMP-E.jpg

G35Driver
1st of February 2008 (Fri), 12:31
Guys with the 40D how is the live view for macro?

Courierman
1st of February 2008 (Fri), 16:00
only had it for 3 hrs and 1.5 was reading and charging the bat :lol:

aiea1
1st of February 2008 (Fri), 16:22
Luis,
I read a comment from a 40D owner, recently, that stated the live view worked real good for stationary objects, but not good on moving things like bugs. Had something to do with the mirror opening and closing
My 2 Cents :)

Samdiver74
1st of February 2008 (Fri), 16:29
Courierman
Yeah it has to do with focusing.
You can look at the subject via the Live view feature but to focus, the mirror has to drop back in place before the picture can be taken.

Courierman
1st of February 2008 (Fri), 16:42
thanks Allan I know what it's and how to use it just had no time and nothing to use it on yet ,as RM did say you can blow the shot in the time the mirror go's down and up

Crypto
1st of February 2008 (Fri), 19:56
I personally think the live view feature is too cumbersome, especially for macro. It's tricky to nail the focus when you have to push a button to close the mirror then push the shutter. With that said, sometimes you just can't get your eye down at the viewfinder so this may help you get a shot that otherwise may be impossible. It's not for me but not completely unusable.

illusionest
8th of February 2008 (Fri), 22:57
yes, i agree with Crypto.
It is quite a neat feature as an alternative to the viewfinder, but i find manual focusing much more easier. The Live View Zooming in is very detailed, but much much harder to focus.
I never use live view for macro, that's one of the reasons why i use my 350D for macro.
Other reason being lighter, and easier to hold.

Ran_photography
13th of February 2008 (Wed), 18:33
I currently only have access to an onboard flash. Which suck for macro. But i came up with a great diffuser in my opinion
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2013/2263708246_432256622f.jpg?v=0


Made from a small paper party cup and a styrofoam bowl.

silvex
14th of February 2008 (Thu), 02:36
I posted this earlier in this thread. I also got fed up with the Delta, so I experimented with no bracket and my lumiquest soft box. To my surprise, I didn't need a bracket at all. All my shots now are done with the Flash mounted directly to my camera. I'm sure the effectivness of this will be determined by the lens you use, but for me, it works very well with the 100mm. It's worth a try

http://www.pbase.com/tcimages/image/84147508/original.jpg


Can yuo post s phot the "lumiquest soft box" or alink/model of the prodcut. I was going to get one, but decided to go with the sto-fen

Crypto
14th of February 2008 (Thu), 04:47
sure. sorry for the broken link. I moved my pics
link:
http://www.lumiquest.com/lq925.htm

pic

http://TCProimages.smugmug.com/photos/241560924_y3Euz-X3.jpg

With the MR-14
http://TCProimages.smugmug.com/photos/263435984_svStp-X3.jpg

racketman
17th of February 2008 (Sun), 14:56
got a new camera today Canon 40D :eek: to go with my new MP-E 65 2.8 :eek:


http://mcc.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/pics/40DMP-E.jpg

congrats -that is my main macro set up, have yet to use the 40D with any other lens.

EdV
6th of March 2008 (Thu), 21:07
OK, so I read this entire thread and got some really good ideas. Based on some of the things I've seen here, I bought the Delta Flip Flash Bracket which seemed much more flexible than my Stroboframe Bracket. And I bought a LumiQuest Soft Box for use with my flash and basically replacing the StoFen OmniBounce since the StoFen won't slide over all that velcro. :)

I also added a 500D close-up lens to supplement my kit which includes a Sigma 70mm macro lens and a set of Kenko tubes.

OK. One problem that has me a bit baffled. As I look at the Delta Flip Flash, I am having a problem figuring how to mount that sucker on a tripod with a Manfrotto ball head. Any suggestions?

photobitz
6th of March 2008 (Thu), 22:51
OK, so I read this entire thread and got some really good ideas. Based on some of the things I've seen here, I bought the Delta Flip Flash Bracket which seemed much more flexible than my Stroboframe Bracket. And I bought a LumiQuest Soft Box for use with my flash and basically replacing the StoFen OmniBounce since the StoFen won't slide over all that velcro. :)

I also added a 500D close-up lens to supplement my kit which includes a Sigma 70mm macro lens and a set of Kenko tubes.

OK. One problem that has me a bit baffled. As I look at the Delta Flip Flash, I am having a problem figuring how to mount that sucker on a tripod with a Manfrotto ball head. Any suggestions?

How about just work handheld? :rolleyes:

simwells
7th of March 2008 (Fri), 05:06
OK. One problem that has me a bit baffled. As I look at the Delta Flip Flash, I am having a problem figuring how to mount that sucker on a tripod with a Manfrotto ball head. Any suggestions?

I think I remember someone on here drilling and tapping some extra holes.

Crypto
7th of March 2008 (Fri), 05:24
that's what I did
http://TCProimages.smugmug.com/photos/262918954_PWEJj-X3.jpg

EdV
7th of March 2008 (Fri), 06:04
Thanks guys. It just bugs me because I specifically asked the guy from B&H whether this bracket could be mounted on a tripod and the answer was a definitive YES.

I had never encountered this "problem" previously because the lenses that I have used with camera and flash bracket had all had a tripod mounting ring so it was simply a case of bracket to camera and tripod to mounting ring and voila!

But my Sigma 70mm has no tripod ring so I am one mount short. I plan on buying either the Canon 180mm or the Sigma 150mm (leaning in the Sigma direction) which both have tripod mounting rings. So that will help.

And yes I know it is fine for handheld but I find that I often prefer shooting off of a tripod.

MiCTLaN
10th of March 2008 (Mon), 13:58
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3266/2295020862_c2489ab35c_o.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mictlan74/2295020862/)

I've had a bit of success with this 'ghetto rig' :D

EOS 40D with two Quantaray MS-1 slave flashes bungeed to the 28-135 kit lens, mounted on a full set of Kenko extension tubes... I used a small adjustable LED light to assist with focusing.

silvex
10th of March 2008 (Mon), 14:09
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3266/2295020862_c2489ab35c_o.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mictlan74/2295020862/)

I've had a bit of success with this 'ghetto rig' :D

EOS 40D with two Quantaray MS-1 slave flashes bungeed to the 28-135 kit lens, mounted on a full set of Kenko extension tubes... I used a small adjustable LED light to assist with focusing.

That is a LOT of weight for the kenko tubes to support. Are you afraid it might just snap off the 40D and damage the lens mount on the camera...?

John Baker
14th of March 2008 (Fri), 16:41
What a really great thread, I wanted to add a couple of options I don’t think I have seen (apologies if I missed one!). I managed to pick up a nice Stroboframe Pro RL, which I find very handy. I also use a GF Lightsphere II which gives me the necessary diffusion.



http://farm1.static.flickr.com/246/448660429_7bcd130d1e_o.jpg

MiCTLaN
16th of March 2008 (Sun), 00:21
That is a LOT of weight for the kenko tubes to support. Are you afraid it might just snap off the 40D and damage the lens mount on the camera...?

Not really, the slave flashes are only 3oz each... I'd say this is a lot less prone to damage the lens mount than the many 'flash bracket on lens ring' setups that are posted here.

R.H. Johnson II
17th of March 2008 (Mon), 23:54
Canon Scientific Digital Macro Studio 1 & 2

troypiggo
18th of March 2008 (Tue), 00:14
Holy cow! How do you find that bubble-wrap works for diffusion? Sample shots?

Ballen Photo
18th of March 2008 (Tue), 00:18
Canon Scientific Digital Macro Studio 1 & 2Hello & WELCOME to the forum RH! :D
Those two set ups look quite functional. Care to elaborate on lens & bellows adaptations? I see you have a focus rail too. ;)
-Bruce

R.H. Johnson II
18th of March 2008 (Tue), 01:41
Canon Scientific. the bubble wrap has the quality of a bare bulb flash. the entire bag luminates 360 deg. both shot with flash on in high sync. mode. if i did not tell you the flash was on you would not know it.

troypiggo
18th of March 2008 (Tue), 01:47
I think I would know :)
Great crab spider shot BTW.

R.H. Johnson II
18th of March 2008 (Tue), 02:26
these 2 set-ups are very functional and allow critical precision focusing especially when using live view. Canon FD auto bellows with a cheap FD-EOS adapter with the optics removed, setup #1. primarily i shoot with the Canon 100mm macro with reversed 50mm f1.4 which fits just inside the lens hood, setup #2. for now i use 50mm f1.4 forward/reversed with bellows in conjunction with, 135mm f2.5, 70-210mm f4. however, these are not true macro lenses and at extreme magnification display coma which reduces image sharpness and resolution. trying to get FD 50mm & 100mm macros. waiting for the 35mm f2.8 photomacrography bellows lens. in process of redesigning setup to be more readily field deployable spring is in the air. ATPIT can achieve 3.5:1 will get to 6:1 with 35mm and 12:1 with 20mm photomacrography lenses respectively.

photobitz
18th of March 2008 (Tue), 02:27
Hello & WELCOME to the forum RH! :D
Those two set ups look quite functional. Care to elaborate on lens & bellows adaptations? I see you have a focus rail too. ;)
-Bruce

Canon FL Macro Bellows unit?

EDIT: Oh, beat me 2 it... never mind.

R.H. Johnson II
18th of March 2008 (Tue), 02:36
Canon FD auto bellows:

http://canonfd.com/abindex.htm

Ballen Photo
18th of March 2008 (Tue), 11:49
ATPIT can achieve 3.5:1 will get to 6:1 with 35mm and 12:1 with 20mm photomacrography lenses respectively.
Outstanding! :D I hope you will share your results here? ;)
-Bruce

chrisa
18th of March 2008 (Tue), 13:28
Based on some of the rigs here. My question is what position is best for the flash? Above or either side?http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n147/chrisa62401/macrobracket_IMG_9168.jpg

racketman
18th of March 2008 (Tue), 20:43
Based on some of the rigs here. My question is what position is best for the flash? Above or either side?http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n147/chrisa62401/macrobracket_IMG_9168.jpg

I normally position flash about 10 o'clock and slightly behind front of lens. Flash needs diffusing.

dsc_1972
21st of March 2008 (Fri), 13:24
Here's me testing out my newly acquired macro rig today.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2378/2350161612_c86bd0108c.jpg


MP-E 65, MT-24EX, 2 x cheap ebay 'pop-up flash' diffusers.
Photo courtesy of the Mrs.

Mathiau
23rd of March 2008 (Sun), 02:29
no rig yet, flash mounted on cam but this thread gives me a good idea of what i need to get, i tend to want what lord V has :D since his macro work is beyond..... well beyond words!!!

neoro
23rd of March 2008 (Sun), 08:31
Hi everyone,

I'm planning to get the 2 Wimberly F-2 Flash Brackets to sit 2 580 Exs.

1 would be connected to the hot shoe via Canon OC E 3 and another triggered via master-slave function.

Any thoughts on this bracket ? not the cheapest of items on the market.

here is a link to the Wimberly web page http://www.tripodhead.com/products/flash-bracket-macro-brackets.cfm

Alex Wild
23rd of March 2008 (Sun), 19:58
Homemade flash diffuser for the MT-24EX /MP-E System:

http://myrmecos.files.wordpress.com/2007/12/diffuser1.jpg

Described here (http://myrmecos.wordpress.com/2007/12/09/photo-technique-on-camera-flash-diffusion/).

Mike
28th of March 2008 (Fri), 10:54
Here's my humble rig.

Pentax 50mm f1.7 lens mounted onto £5 extension tubes. Works pretty well for me:

Michael_Lambert
28th of March 2008 (Fri), 11:07
Here is my Rig,

http://www.michaellambertphotography.com/rig1.jpg
http://www.michaellambertphotography.com/rig2.jpg
http://www.michaellambertphotography.com/rig3.jpg

ben_r_
28th of March 2008 (Fri), 11:30
I like that little tripod, what is it?

chrisa
29th of March 2008 (Sat), 19:08
What is that over the loc-line?

newb2pro_1day_or_so
30th of March 2008 (Sun), 02:29
I'm getting ready to buy the 430EX canon flash and the Imported version is currently out of stock. I know this may sound stupid, but should I wait for the imported version to get in stock, or just buy the USA one? I honestly don't know if there are rumors on quality or not, just thought I'd double check with the pros. Thanks

dbdors
30th of March 2008 (Sun), 10:22
Dan, I think your understanding of what Import vs. USA are confused. There is absolutely no difference between the USA and Import version (they are all made in the same Japanese factory). But for the few dollars you save you give up a the Canon USA warranty. Buying gray used to save you some money, but with the prices I've seen lately on B&H and Adorama there is no reason to buy Gray. In fact the prices on B&H right now are the same.

I assume you live in the US. If yes, then you should certainly buy USA.

When you go to B&H and pull up the 430EX, click on the link for the word IMPORTED. It explains the difference. This is a partial quote from B&H:
What are the differences as far as a customer is concerned?

In most cases the difference between a USA import and a Grey Market, or imported product, is the cost of the item and the terms of the item’s warranty coverage. The products themselves are otherwise identical in every way. Occasionally the manufacturer might change a product name of model number to differentiate between products targeted for US distribution and products targeted for distribution elsewhere.

When they say product name, they mean Rebel XTi vs. Rebel 450D. Same camera, just different label.

P.S. The Adorama prices are the same as well. Stick with USA.

macgruder
1st of April 2008 (Tue), 17:16
My lord! I never knew how much equipment was needed to shoot in macros, shows how little I know about the subject. Pretty cool stuff.

b.d.bop
1st of April 2008 (Tue), 23:14
Well here's a crappy pic with an old sony p&s of the macro rig. Heres the specs:

StoFen Omni-Bounce Flash Diffuser Set
ben_r: talk about the Stofen diffusers you have on the MT-24 flash units. Which are they, are they somehow modified and how are they attached?

ben_r_
4th of April 2008 (Fri), 16:28
ben_r: talk about the Stofen diffusers you have on the MT-24 flash units. Which are they, are they somehow modified and how are they attached?

Stofen makes a kit specifically for the canon macro twin light flash. They simply slide on just like any other stofen for a flash. Heres a LINK (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/442435-REG/Sto_Fen_OM_24XSET_Omni_Bounce_Set_for_Canon.html).

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/images/largeimages/442435.jpg

I have since ordered and will be making the switch over to the GaryFong Puffers though. They seem to diffuse the light better but require a more custom install as they are no made specifically for the mt-24ex. They also cost twice the price. LINK (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/522116-REG/Gary_Fong_PUF_01_Puffer_Pop_Up_Flash_Diffuser.html ) (you need to order two).

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/images/largeimages/522116.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2291/2325759199_0d8ec75b95.jpg

b.d.bop
4th of April 2008 (Fri), 19:02
Stofen makes a kit specifically for the canon macro twin light flash. They simply slide on just like any other stofen for a flash. Heres a LINK (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/442435-REG/Sto_Fen_OM_24XSET_Omni_Bounce_Set_for_Canon.html).



I have since ordered and will be making the switch over to the GaryFong Puffers though. They seem to diffuse the light better but require a more custom install as they are no made specifically for the mt-24ex. They also cost twice the price. LINK (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/522116-REG/Gary_Fong_PUF_01_Puffer_Pop_Up_Flash_Diffuser.html ) (you need to order two).



http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2291/2325759199_0d8ec75b95.jpg


Right, Ben.
dalantech hot glues them on, I did this modification (see bottom of page) instead:

http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=473589&page=2

Either way, really nice diffusers.

newb2pro_1day_or_so
5th of April 2008 (Sat), 17:39
Alright, I could use some help from the pros. I just purchased the biggest pos flash bracket that's out there...the salesman said it was great. Anyways, I would like to know what types of flash brackets are a safe bet that I'll get something that will do a great job and last! I guess it would help to know that I have the 430ex canon flash and am using the 100mm macro w/full set of extension tubes.

Candersson
6th of April 2008 (Sun), 12:31
This is my rig, 30D/40D with the MACROPOD, which I constructed to work as help and assist when shooting macro :cool:

http://www.anderssonbros.com/photo/Macropod_kitchen1.JPG

for more info on the Macropod see
http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=481577

rndman
7th of April 2008 (Mon), 19:58
Can you adjust light output of those?

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3266/2295020862_c2489ab35c_o.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mictlan74/2295020862/)

I've had a bit of success with this 'ghetto rig' :D

EOS 40D with two Quantaray MS-1 slave flashes bungeed to the 28-135 kit lens, mounted on a full set of Kenko extension tubes... I used a small adjustable LED light to assist with focusing.

pekpek
11th of April 2008 (Fri), 09:27
here's mine.
30D with kenko tubes canon 100mm 430ex and velbon ballhead spectralight diffuser. :)

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2309/2405531042_a8e9860a1c.jpg


Sample image of this setup
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3212/2396257338_5e86d96b5d_b.jpg

Ballen Photo
11th of April 2008 (Fri), 10:32
Sample image of this setup.
Very nice! ;)
-Bruce

shadowkipper
11th of April 2008 (Fri), 16:23
pekpek how much did that macro lighting setup cost you?

Im getting the 100mm macro lesn and im interested in buying a good lighting set up in a month after

pekpek
11th of April 2008 (Fri), 23:24
pekpek how much did that macro lighting setup cost you?

Im getting the 100mm macro lesn and im interested in buying a good lighting set up in a month after

@shadowkipper
around $350 including the off shoe cord.
if you are going to buy a flash gun buy the 580II instead.:)

@ballenphoto
Thanks for the nice comment.

adam 91
27th of April 2008 (Sun), 10:27
im ordering a sigma 105 (probably, still undecided on that or the 150) and a canon 430 speed light, and was wondering if most of the brackets on here are homemade or bought? how does the off shoe cord connect to the bracket? just a screw thread?
thanks, adam :)

dbdors
30th of April 2008 (Wed), 10:01
If anyone is interested, I have a Kirk FB-9 flash macro bracket for sale: http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=494057

MrEd
1st of May 2008 (Thu), 17:13
im ordering a sigma 105 (probably, still undecided on that or the 150) and a canon 430 speed light, and was wondering if most of the brackets on here are homemade or bought? how does the off shoe cord connect to the bracket? just a screw thread?
thanks, adam :)

yeh the off shoe cord has a standard tripod thread in the bottom of it

dbdors
1st of May 2008 (Thu), 22:26
yeh the off shoe cord has a standard tripod thread in the bottom of it
Most cords including the Canon have a 1/4-20 thread insert.

MrEd
2nd of May 2008 (Fri), 01:00
Most cords including the Canon have a 1/4-20 thread insert.
is that not a standard screw thread then? all my tripod plats fit on my cord easy peasy

macro junkie
6th of May 2008 (Tue), 06:17
Stofen makes a kit specifically for the canon macro twin light flash. They simply slide on just like any other stofen for a flash. Heres a LINK (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/442435-REG/Sto_Fen_OM_24XSET_Omni_Bounce_Set_for_Canon.html).


I have since ordered and will be making the switch over to the GaryFong Puffers though. They seem to diffuse the light better but require a more custom install as they are no made specifically for the mt-24ex. They also cost twice the price. LINK (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/522116-REG/Gary_Fong_PUF_01_Puffer_Pop_Up_Flash_Diffuser.html ) (you need to order two).



yer the gary fong ones work really really good.. the mt-24ex has a advantaged over the 430ex and bracket.i found the 430ex and bracket made my rig unbalanced..i never use a tripod so getting the rig balanced right helps me to shoot better.tbh i hated the set up when i was using the bracket and 430ex..lordv seems to do fine with it i guees its what ever your use to.

if u diffuse the mt-24ex well it would be hard to beat it.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3166/2310638737_fdf691c6b2_o.jpg

S7000
6th of May 2008 (Tue), 08:53
Nice rig MJ...I'm in need of the 24ex...No cash though :(

Courierman
6th of May 2008 (Tue), 14:31
my flash mod and light shield for the lens

http://mcc.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/pics/flash.jpg

macro junkie
15th of May 2008 (Thu), 02:40
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1115/1126289115_fcad803602_b.jpg

b.d.bop
15th of May 2008 (Thu), 06:14
Great shot, macro junkie!!! There's a terrific rig. And I really wish I could contort myself like that long enough to get a macro shot. :lol:

ben_r_
15th of May 2008 (Thu), 18:22
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1115/1126289115_fcad803602_b.jpg
WHOA! Where are your puffers??? ;)

Raikiri
18th of May 2008 (Sun), 07:46
Sorry for the phone pic. 400D, reversed 18-55mm IS and erm... nothing else. Got a flash diffuser on the way though.

http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/8221/photo126sm8.jpg

mypoppy31
25th of May 2008 (Sun), 06:43
I just started in with Macro about a week now and love it!..
I went down to B&H in NYC last week and bought the Kenko extension tubes.
I"m attaching a youtube Macro slideshow that I just did and would appreciate any feedback.

My problem with these Macro shots is "Focusing".... I notice that in some of my shots, no matter how hard I tried, I just simply could not get any better focusing!..

All I can figure out is that possibly I needed "more light" on the subject flowers,etc..

http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=SalPedi

photobitz
25th of May 2008 (Sun), 08:02
I just started in with Macro about a week now and love it!..
I went down to B&H in NYC last week and bought the Kenko extension tubes.
I"m attaching a youtube Macro slideshow that I just did and would appreciate any feedback.

My problem with these Macro shots is "Focusing".... I notice that in some of my shots, no matter how hard I tried, I just simply could not get any better focusing!..

All I can figure out is that possibly I needed "more light" on the subject flowers,etc..

http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=SalPedi (http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=SalPedi)

Yes, light is the photographer's friend ;)

Don't expect to get very many in focus if you are only just starting out. Achieving well focused shots with 1:1 macro takes a lot of practice.

MrEd
25th of May 2008 (Sun), 13:30
yep tak a lot of practice. i have been shooting with a 1:1 macro for a year and a half now and i stil chuck about 34 of the pictures i take :S stick with it its half the fun!!

whiteflyer
6th of June 2008 (Fri), 15:20
Nothing fancy as I only got the Lens a couple of weeks ago.

Canon 30D - EF 100mm 2.8 Macro USM - 580EX II - Nikon SK-7 flash bracket with Jessops Mini Ballhead.

As I'm cheap, Tripod Mount Ring off my 70-200 2.8 with the Canon plastic adaptor ring.

http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q142/whiteflyer/macrosetup.jpg

G35Driver
10th of June 2008 (Tue), 03:01
I wanna see what kind of results you guys get with some of these setups

b.d.bop
10th of June 2008 (Tue), 18:47
macro junkie and any others (like myself) using the MT-24EX twin lites along with the MP-E 65mm f2.8 1-5x lens combination:

Are any of you having difficulty with the twin lamps protruding out beyond the lens too much so that they actually prevent you from getting the extended lens in close enough to focus the subject when you're rolled out to 4x or 5x with the lens? I have had this problem a few times and wonder what your thought are.
The Gary Fong Puffers exacerbate that problem even more.

photobitz
16th of June 2008 (Mon), 04:12
macro junkie and any others (like myself) using the MT-24EX twin lites along with the MP-E 65mm f2.8 1-5x lens combination:

Are any of you having difficulty with the twin lamps protruding out beyond the lens too much so that they actually prevent you from getting the extended lens in close enough to focus the subject when you're rolled out to 4x or 5x with the lens? I have had this problem a few times and wonder what your thought are.
The Gary Fong Puffers exacerbate that problem even more.

Teleconverter? I'm just thinking that because it will allow you to be further away and get the same magnification. Not sure how good it will resolve though - depends on which teleconverter you would use I expect.

Other than that how does the macro ring light compare or will you still get the same problem?

orionmystery
16th of June 2008 (Mon), 05:34
Teleconverter? I'm just thinking that because it will allow you to be further away and get the same magnification. Not sure how good it will resolve though - depends on which teleconverter you would use I expect.

Other than that how does the macro ring light compare or will you still get the same problem?

Hi, from what i read on wiki, TC won't get you extra working distance, but will only give you more magnification:


Attaching a telephoto extender between the camera body and the lens. A 1.4× or 2× teleconverter gives a larger image, adding macro capabilities. As with an extension tube, less light will reach the film or sensor, and a longer exposure time will be needed. However, working distance remains the same as without the teleconverter.

More on wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macro_photography

photobitz
16th of June 2008 (Mon), 08:46
Hi, from what i read on wiki, TC won't get you extra working distance, but will only give you more magnification:


Attaching a telephoto extender between the camera body and the lens. A 1.4× or 2× teleconverter gives a larger image, adding macro capabilities. As with an extension tube, less light will reach the film or sensor, and a longer exposure time will be needed. However, working distance remains the same as without the teleconverter.

More on wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macro_photography (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macro_photography)

Not entirely correct... minimum focus distance remains the same and magnification will increase. Effectively you should be able to back off from your subject and keep a similar magnification to what the lens gives without the converter.

b.d.bop
19th of June 2008 (Thu), 22:15
Here's an alternative to the MT-24EX twin lite flash unit that's often paired with the MP-E 65mm macro lens - it's a Wimberley F-2 macro bracket clamped onto the RRS L-plate of this 5D, with an Ultimate Light Box System on a 580EX II.


http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y28/b_d_bop/WimberleyF-2brktUltimateLightBox_d.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y28/b_d_bop/WimberleyF-2brktUltimateLightBox_c1.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y28/b_d_bop/WimberleyF-2brktUltimateLightBox_b.jpg

MPCman
21st of June 2008 (Sat), 05:56
Nice setup you have there :)

Do I understand it correct that you use a Canon Macro tube and mount the tripod mount on that? How does it fit?

Nothing fancy as I only got the Lens a couple of weeks ago.

Canon 30D - EF 100mm 2.8 Macro USM - 580EX II - Nikon SK-7 flash bracket with Jessops Mini Ballhead.

As I'm cheap, Tripod Mount Ring off my 70-200 2.8 with the Canon plastic adaptor ring.

http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q142/whiteflyer/macrosetup.jpg

Samdiver74
21st of June 2008 (Sat), 09:15
MPCman
No the tripod mount is actually mounted to the 100mm Macro lens.

The MP-E 65mm and Canon's 180mm Macro L lens comes with the tripod mount B (in Black) which fits the 100mm lens, although to purchase this mount (Mount ring B(B)) separately is $149.95 from B&H
The tripod mount ring on the 100-400 is also a mount B (W) but is white in color this will fit the 100mm macro lens no problem or adapters needed.

Pinto
21st of June 2008 (Sat), 14:52
Here's an alternative to the MT-24EX twin lite flash unit that's often paired with the MP-E 65mm macro lens - it's a Wimberley F-2 macro bracket clamped onto the RRS L-plate of this 5D, with an Ultimate Light Box System on a 580EX II.

I've seen mixed reviews on the Ultimate Light Box System. How do you like it for Marco application?

b.d.bop
21st of June 2008 (Sat), 18:45
I've seen mixed reviews on the Ultimate Light Box System. How do you like it for Marco application? Having given it the old college try for the past week I think it's bulky and a bit cumbersome and when you have to squeeze in between shrub leaves & branches or into confined spots, you have to really watch out.

The light itself is wonderful - really diffused and soft. I'm not sure it's the best thing for macro, though.

And also consider that the Wimberley macro bracket has some heft to it as well, so between a camera with grip, Wimberley macro bracket, 580EX II flash and the Ultimate Light Box, you need some muscles and endurance.

I'm going back to the MT24-EX for the time being.

MPCman
22nd of June 2008 (Sun), 01:24
MPCman
No the tripod mount is actually mounted to the 100mm Macro lens.

The MP-E 65mm and Canon's 180mm Macro L lens comes with the tripod mount B (in Black) which fits the 100mm lens, although to purchase this mount (Mount ring B(B)) separately is $149.95 from B&H
The tripod mount ring on the 100-400 is also a mount B (W) but is white in color this will fit the 100mm macro lens no problem or adapters needed.
Ah! Thanks for the clarification :)

mypoppy31
5th of July 2008 (Sat), 11:48
I"d like to get much more light onto my Macro shots but I can't spend what is necessary for the Canon MR 14 EX Ring Lite, so I had to try thinking of cheaper alternatives for me..

I immediately thought of some sort of powerful flashlight that might do the trick..
So, I went to "Google" and typed in "Powerful flashlight for Macro photography"...

And, this is what I came up with:

http://www.photographywithheartworkshops.com/share/articles/assets/Making-the-Light-Sing-and-Dance.pdf

Now, I haven't tried this out yet, but it does sound interesting, and I'd love to get any feedback from this forum on what they think..

http://www.photographywithheartworkshops.com/share/articles/assets/Making-the-Light-Sing-and-Dance.pdf

Pinto
5th of July 2008 (Sat), 14:10
Nothing fancy as I only got the Lens a couple of weeks ago.

Canon 30D - EF 100mm 2.8 Macro USM - 580EX II - Nikon SK-7 flash bracket with Jessops Mini Ballhead.

As I'm cheap, Tripod Mount Ring off my 70-200 2.8 with the Canon plastic adaptor ring.

http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q142/whiteflyer/macrosetup.jpg

Is the 70-200 tripod ring the same size as the one that is an option for the 100 MACRO? I'm surprised it would fit as the 70-200 is considerably larger than the 100 MACRO. If it is indeed the same mount, where can one get just the plastic adapter?

rang
4th of August 2008 (Mon), 19:35
my flash mod and light shield for the lens

http://mcc.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/pics/flash.jpg

OK...I have the same rig...what did you make your diffusers out of???

Courierman
5th of August 2008 (Tue), 13:39
OK...I have the same rig...what did you make your diffusers out of???

its made from the out side bottom of a hot choc bottle and some black plasstic to stop the flash hitting the lens

macro junkie
11th of August 2008 (Mon), 00:50
WHOA! Where are your puffers??? ;)
that was taken last year when i had 2 camaras.its an old pic :)

macro junkie
11th of August 2008 (Mon), 00:54
macro junkie and any others (like myself) using the MT-24EX twin lites along with the MP-E 65mm f2.8 1-5x lens combination:

Are any of you having difficulty with the twin lamps protruding out beyond the lens too much so that they actually prevent you from getting the extended lens in close enough to focus the subject when you're rolled out to 4x or 5x with the lens? I have had this problem a few times and wonder what your thought are.
The Gary Fong Puffers exacerbate that problem even more.
no..i have never had that problem..i get on fine with mine.remember you want the flash as close to the subject as possible.at 5:1 life size i have the heads pushed right in and i still have a nice size gap.

macro junkie
11th of August 2008 (Mon), 00:57
macro junkie and any others (like myself) using the MT-24EX twin lites along with the MP-E 65mm f2.8 1-5x lens combination:

Are any of you having difficulty with the twin lamps protruding out beyond the lens too much so that they actually prevent you from getting the extended lens in close enough to focus the subject when you're rolled out to 4x or 5x with the lens? I have had this problem a few times and wonder what your thought are.
The Gary Fong Puffers exacerbate that problem even more.

Teleconverter? I'm just thinking that because it will allow you to be further away and get the same magnification. Not sure how good it will resolve though - depends on which teleconverter you would use I expect.

Other than that how does the macro ring light compare or will you still get the same problem?
where in the post did he mention tele coverter? hes on about a macro lens called mpe-65 and mt-24ex flash..no converter involved:)

photobitz
11th of August 2008 (Mon), 02:09
where in the post did he mention tele coverter? hes on about a macro lens called mpe-65 and mt-24ex flash..no converter involved:)

Ummm... actually I was suggesting using a teleconverter so that he could add extra distance between the lens and the subject. That way the flash heads don't crunch on the ground ;)

macro junkie
11th of August 2008 (Mon), 02:48
Ummm... actually I was suggesting using a teleconverter so that he could add extra distance between the lens and the subject. That way the flash heads don't crunch on the ground ;)

The flash heads stil have to be attached to the end of the lens..also adding teleconverter to the mpe-65..say 2x teleconverter it would mean the lens starts at 5:1 life size and ends up at 10:1 life size.tele converts on mpe-65 doubles the mag if its 2x teleconverter.like i said i cant see what the problem is....theres plenty of room imo.i use it in the feild with no tripod every day and i have no problems.i guess im just use to it.

photobitz
11th of August 2008 (Mon), 13:10
Fair enough... I don't have an mpe or mt-24. It was just a 2c suggestion.

macro junkie
13th of August 2008 (Wed), 13:02
Fair enough... I don't have an mpe or mt-24. It was just a 2c suggestion.
yer its sort of different with the mpe-65..i can see your point tho.

dkspook
15th of August 2008 (Fri), 15:31
Finally "built" my rig after watching all of yours :)

It ain't pretty, but it works. At least until I can afford a ringlight...

A piece of aluminum, about 1" by 14", holes drilled for the screws, then bent into place:

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i94/kaffemonster/IMG_3618_800.jpg

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i94/kaffemonster/IMG_3619_800.jpg

Covered in some old sheets to avoid scracthes. Holds my 580EX w. Fong Bong reasoably secure just above my 100mm macro:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3186/2765744064_3e08d0d8f4.jpg

And the output:

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i94/kaffemonster/IMG_0471_800.jpg

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i94/kaffemonster/IMG_0481_800.jpg

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i94/kaffemonster/IMG_0511_800.jpg

All three from my first outing right after making the rig.

b.d.bop
15th of August 2008 (Fri), 23:43
Beautiful - don't mess things up with a ring flash!! You're there! :D

PiRho
16th of August 2008 (Sat), 08:57
I Agree with Dr. Polis! forget the ring-light what you have is better then the ring-lights the only way to get better might be the wickedly diffused MT-24 but that is a dual head design. I like your bracket! very clever. I was thinking of doing something similar.

Great job!

Wyldeflower
16th of August 2008 (Sat), 12:38
some of this equipment is awesome i am afraid i just purchased a cannon eos450 and a macro lens..so i am the poor member on here..

thaking
16th of August 2008 (Sat), 14:30
@dkspook: love that setup, i'm gonna have to steal that idea and try it myself. :)

dkspook
16th of August 2008 (Sat), 14:59
Beautiful - don't mess things up with a ring flash!! You're there! :D

I Agree with Dr. Polis! forget the ring-light what you have is better then the ring-lights the only way to get better might be the wickedly diffused MT-24 but that is a dual head design. I like your bracket! very clever. I was thinking of doing something similar.

Great job!

@dkspook: love that setup, i'm gonna have to steal that idea and try it myself. :)

Wow, nice feedback for my first bracket! :D

Feel free to steal it, it was real easy to make. Sure, Wimberly's are way more flexible, but this one doesn't come with a 250$ price tag...

I've gone and dedicated a flickr set to shots made with the bracket:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/dk_spook/sets/72157606761811323/
It'll keep growing as I keep shooting :)

macro junkie
16th of August 2008 (Sat), 19:48
Wow, nice feedback for my first bracket! :D

:)
i bet that isnt balanced very well..how you finding it in the feild with no tripod?

darosk
16th of August 2008 (Sat), 19:51
i bet that isnt balanced very well..how you finding it in the feild with no tripod?
I'm interested in the balance as well dkspook... how do you find it?

Cracking shots, btw, very impressive!

dkspook
17th of August 2008 (Sun), 02:16
The balance is actually fine... As long as my left hand is supporting it! :D

With my left palm under the bracket and lens, my fingers can work the focus ring. It ain't the most elegant solution, but all shots I've posted are shot hand held, so it must be doing something right. It's pretty low weight (as low weight as a 40D, 100mm macro and 580EX II can be, anyways) so working with it hand held for longer periods is no problem. I'm devising a plan for building a better softbox for it...