Yipeeeee...the 11th L is on the way.....

[PetKal]

Hey Dante, I have just caved in.....yielded to the temptation....how else to conquer it :rolleyes:

That one stop better be worth it.;)
The EF16-35 mm f/2.8 L USM is on the way.:lol: :lol:
Now we are one L lens short of that objective aren't we...
Bwuahahahahaha...:evil: :evil: :evil:

[Elton Balch]

Nice!! How soon can you do a real world comparison with the 17-40??

[chancellor]

Pet-Kal, sounds like you'll be needing the 300 & 400 f/2.8 lenses pretty soon, huh? Congrats on the 16-35 and post some beautifcul twig-pics :D

[CyberDyneSystems]

All this just because Canon didn't release a new "G" this Spring.. wow. ;)

[JohnnyBlood]

What objective is that? Bankruptcy? :)

[mrclark321]

Congrats Peter, you better hire an apprentice to help with all that gear :)

Dan

[hef]

Nutz.. I'll never catch up.. Please compare the 16-35 to the 17-40..

[PetKal]

Nutz.. I'll never catch up.. Please compare the 16-35 to the 17-40..
That's the first order of the day.......two wide angle lenses: head to head. The only way to heal my tormented soul.
Some real life tests:
(1) "Iguana" test: focus and bokeh
(2) "Plazza billboard" test: colour rendering
(3) "Conifer" test: resolving power

I have no doubt that there are superb 16-35 copies out there. I also suspect there could be some substandard ones. For once I hope I get lucky and get one of the former.
Listen Eos, have mercy this time around, gods know that I had suffered enough because of the 24-70 and the 135 until I found the "pure" ones.;)

[PetKal]

Congrats Peter, you better hire an apprentice to help with all that gear :)

Dan

Thanx Danny, never mind that, pretty soon I'll be needing a caddy not only to carry my camera/lens around but also he/she could be snapping pictures for me. Come to think of it, such images would certainly look better than my very own pathetic photos.:D

[PetKal]

Pet-Kal, sounds like you'll be needing the 300 & 400 f/2.8 lenses pretty soon, huh? Congrats on the 16-35 and post some beautifcul twig-pics :D
Thanx Kanzler, those big 'uns are decidedly beyond my retiree's budget as well as load carrying ability.
Have plenty of trouble already hauling the 100-400 around.

[Dante King]

Damn Pet-Kal, you wont be able to come live with me when you go broke! Wait, sure you can, we take L's as rent!!!! :) Congrats man. YOu will son see why this lens is more $$$ than the 17-40. So where is the duck shot? Please no twigs!

Oh, btw, moderation is for people that CANT handle excess!!!

[Dante King]

Hey Adopt me, I'll be your sherpa for the 300 and 400!!!

[PetKal]

Nice!! How soon can you do a real world comparison with the 17-40??
Do not know if it is going to be soon enough for you Elton.;)
However, in the interim you can use professional reviews like that one by Michael Reichmann. However, they all say about the same thing in the end: unless you need f/2.8 get the 17-40. The 16-35 costs more than twice as much. There you go.....

[PetKal]

Hey Adopt me, I'll be your sherpa for the 300 and 400!!!

Nahhh...you are too good looking for that...I'd have some other plans for ya.;)

[PetKal]

Damn Pet-Kal, you wont be able to come live with me when you go broke! Wait, sure you can, we take L's as rent!!!! :) Congrats man. YOu will son see why this lens is more $$$ than the 17-40. So where is the duck shot? Please no twigs!

Oh, btw, moderation is for people that CANT handle excess!!!

Thanx Dante...I have been broke all mi life.....thankfully my wife has a penny or two stashed away....you see, I am a kept man.:D

[jjonsalt]

Hey Dante, I have just caved in.....yielded to the temptation....how else to conquer it :rolleyes:

That one stop better be worth it.;)
The EF16-35 mm f/2.8 L USM is on the way.:lol: :lol:
Now we are one L lens short of that objective aren't we...
Bwuahahahahaha...:evil: :evil: :evil:

I didn't see eggroll in your signature.

[wiselion]

What objective is that? Bankruptcy? :)


:D :D :D :D :D

[Lord_Malone]

Hey Dante, I have just caved in.....yielded to the temptation....how else to conquer it :rolleyes:

That one stop better be worth it.;)
The EF16-35 mm f/2.8 L USM is on the way.:lol: :lol:
Now we are one L lens short of that objective aren't we...
Bwuahahahahaha...:evil: :evil: :evil:

You'll love the lens, bro. I love mine. It's a little more prone to flare, but that's about the only gripe I have with it besides the price. ;) BTW, optically, I saw no difference in IQ between this and my previous 17-40L. I would've kept the 17-40L, but I really wanted that f/2.8, and so far it's paid off in dividends. Wouldn't trade it for the world. Must've got lucky and scored one of those rare sharp copies of this lens. Only kidding of course. I suspect that there are way more good copies of this lens out there than bad. The internet does have a way of demonizing certain products. ;)

[PetKal]

You'll love the lens, bro. I love mine. It's a little more prone to flare, but that's about the only gripe I have with it besides the price. ;)

I hear ya Lordy. Flare does not concern me a lot....I guess I always try to shoot conservatively vis-a-vis sources of strong light. Very seldom I even have hoods on my lenses.....only when I anticipate flare issues. (However, all of my lenses have B&W UV filters screwed on them permanently.;) )

Incidentally, I left you a message in the 5D vs. MkII(N) thread.:D

[Lord_Malone]

Incidentally, I left you a message in the 5D vs. MkII(N) thread.:D

Replied. ;)

[Michaelmjc]

Wow man, thats so nuts... I live pretty close to you, will you adopt me? I'm a good boy, i swear it! :)

[PetKal]

Wow man, thats so nuts... I live pretty close to you, will you adopt me? I'm a good boy, i swear it! :)
Mikey, I know you are a good boy. However, are you as good looking as Dante ?;)
We've got his picture, eh.

[T.D.]

11 Ls??!! That's L-acious!!! :o

[PetKal]

11 Ls??!! That's L-acious!!! :o

Thanx....that's only a temporary situation though.....I have been working already on the 2x6=12 th addition to my family of little rednecks. My bud Dante should understand this math.;)

[Dante King]

Mikey, I know you are a good boy. However, are you as good looking as Dante ?;)
We've got his picture, eh.

That mikey just got out of maximum security prison. Careful Pet-Kal, my ole buddy!!!

[roli_bark]

Let me guess - your 12th is the 1 & only 1 - 300 f/2.8 IS ....

[PetKal]

That mikey just got out of maximum security prison. Careful Pet-Kal, my ole buddy!!!

Criminally insane ? He also probably lives in a place called "Stopville" (otherwise nobody would ever stop there) a little hick town where all bear the same last name '"Reimer", but they are not all related.....just some of them are.:D :D

[PetKal]

Let me guess - your 12th is the 1 & only 1 - 300 f/2.8 IS ....

No way Roli, can not afford it any more, do not need it, do not want it. Besides, my days of driving a Vette, trotting in Gucci shoes, Rollex watch on my wrist, white belt holding my Armani pants up, are long gone. In fact, come to think of it, I never had nor liked any of that s..t.

It's probably goin to be an EF-S 17-55 f2.8 IS USM....will just to have to convince Dante it's an L-equivalent lens.

[roli_bark]

It's probably goin to be an EF-S 17-55 f2.8 IS USM....will just to have to convince Dante it's an L-equivalent lens.

Guess it'll range-overlap with your new 16-35. I hope it comes to par with the fabled Nikon 17-55 DX...

[Marshall]

What really is the point of this thread other than to prove someone has more money than sense !
If it were to compare the various lenses it would be useful. Perhaps there should be a separate 'Braggers Forum'

[busterboy]

What really is the point of this thread other than to prove someone has more money than sense !
If it were to compare the various lenses it would be useful. Perhaps there should be a separate 'Braggers Forum'

:rolleyes: .. Had a bad night have we..:rolleyes:

I might as well stick a sample 16-35mm.. sample in while I am passing Peter.;)

http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~tprocter/Various/truck.jpg

[condyk]

Congrats Petey boy. Please keep us all abreast regarding brown vans and so on. I see you sneaked in the 100-400 IS L, or did I miss that Yipeeee post.

In theory the 16-35 should prove ideal for Urban shooting and BB, TLee, Twitch, et al look forward to your return to us. We have all missed you (or perhaps it was your bullet proof vest!) Anyway, Ducks are for the birds and be nice to see you in downtown Toronto area soon ... catch a cab ;-) Just watch out for that Doc Frankenstien with his slacks and pointy shoes.

[PetKal]

:rolleyes: .. Had a bad night have we..:rolleyes:

I might as well stick a sample 16-35mm.. sample in while I am passing Peter.;)

[]

:D :D :D
That's one glorious image, Busterboy! Nice rig too.;)

[PetKal]

Congrats Petey boy. Please keep us all abreast regarding brown vans and so on. I see you sneaked in the 100-400 IS L, or did I miss that Yipeeee post.

In theory the 16-35 should prove ideal for Urban shooting and BB, TLee, Twitch, et al look forward to your return to us. We have all missed you (or perhaps it was your bullet proof vest!) Anyway, Ducks are for the birds and be nice to see you in downtown Toronto area soon ... catch a cab ;-) Just watch out for that Doc Frankenstien with his slacks and pointy shoes.

Dave, as air temperature starts rise, the lake is becoming very crowded very fast....I suspect I will be switching back to urban photography presently.

Here, I'd like to regale you and Busterboy with a tight non PP'd hand-held duck shot at 400 mm, no IS, as a way of saying "thank you".

The truth , at least my take on it, of the 16-35 shall surface soon ;) The staff in my camera store probably bite their nails already in anticipation of that notorious copy testing program. They seem really worried about all the free time I have on my hands.;) They also suffered thru the 24-70 test program almost as much as I have, so I understand. :cool:

[bcascio]

Jealous is all I can say…also, please post some photos comparing the 16-35 and 17-40, still trying to choose which one to buy...

[PetKal]

Jealous is all I can say…also, please post some photos comparing the 16-35 and 17-40, still trying to choose which one to buy...

I understand....this has been a very protracted dilemma for me....nothing I have read has really helped me chose....just a few little red lights here and there about the 16-35. The only way I can get to the bottom of it is via the "suck and see" method. If the 16-35's IQ is inferior to my 17-40's IQ in any important way, back she goes... one f-stop difference or not, however difficult that raturn might turn out to be.:rolleyes:

[PetKal]

What really is the point of this thread other than to prove someone has more money than sense !


I do have some sense left and I really have no money of mi own. So your assertion is patently wrong, you silly boy.:rolleyes:

[busterboy]

I do have some sense left and I really have no money of mi own. So your assertion is patently wrong, you silly boy.:rolleyes:

Well said...;)

Jealousy is a terrible thing..:(

[condyk]

I do have some sense left and I really have no money of mi own.

I invite applications from ladies of independent means willing to indulge my requirements for esoteric photographic items. In return, while I do have only very limited sense I am house trained, amiable enough and can at least pretend to engage in conversation with you, your friends and your family. Pets no problem. Warm climate preferred.

[PetKal]

I invite applications from ladies of independent means willing to indulge my requirements for esoteric photographic items. In return, while I do have only very limited sense I am house trained, amiable enough and can at least pretend to engage in conversation with you, your friends and your family. Pets no problem. Warm climate preferred.
:D
You got that right homie, just about every item of modestly numerous photogear I own has been given to me as, shall we say a token of appreciation from a lady. :cool:

[Az2Africa]

I invite applications from ladies of independent means willing to indulge my requirements for esoteric photographic items. In return, while I do have only very limited sense I am house trained, amiable enough and can at least pretend to engage in conversation with you, your friends and your family. Pets no problem. Warm climate preferred.

Same here. I've learned to eat, dress myself and not make messes in the house. Willing to relocate if it's warm and will say nice things about whatever that thing is she's wearing. Plus I owned a French bistro for a few years, so I'm a hell of Chef!!:) :) :)

[Lord_Malone]

Dave, as air temperature starts rise, the lake is becoming very crowded very fast....I suspect I will be switching back to urban photography presently.

Here, I'd like to regale you and Busterboy with a tight non PP'd hand-held duck shot at 400 mm, no IS, as a way of saying "thank you".

The truth , at least my take on it, of the 16-35 shall surface soon ;) The staff in my camera store probably bite their nails already in anticipation of that notorious copy testing program. They seem really worried about all the free time I have on my hands.;) They also suffered thru the 24-70 test program almost as much as I have, so I understand. :cool:

For the sake of "not taking sides" you really should post a twig shot @ 400mm.

[condyk]

Plus I owned a French bistro for a few years, so I'm a hell of Chef!!:) :) :)

I see Dante wearing a pretty dress in your future :p

I always put the toilet seat back down and I sincerely doubt any man here can compete with that :cool:

[Az2Africa]

I see Dante wearing a pretty dress in your future :p

I always put the toilet seat back down and I sincerely doubt any man here can compete with that :cool:

You win! That puts me out of the running!:lol:

[PetKal]

For the sake of "not taking sides" you really should post a twig shot @ 400mm.
Happy to respond to a request by the US Army Special Forces.

[PetKal]

I see Dante wearing a pretty dress in your future :p

I always put the toilet seat back down and I sincerely doubt any man here can compete with that :cool:

Do carefully tread there, laddie !
Dante might have been bespoken already.:rolleyes:

That seat practice shows you are moving in the right direction although ostensibly still an amateur. A real pro like myself never raises the seat to start with. One has to emulate his lady even in those minor ways....you gotta do it like they do....it's in such execution details that a difference in quality as well as quantity of your gifts (photo gear) is found .

[Az2Africa]

Like photography, I guess I'll have to keep aiming better.:p

[condyk]

A real pro like myself never raises the seat to start with. One has to emulate his lady even in those minor ways...

Ok, got it toy boy ... but you must now be the most expensive seat warmer ever :shock: The mental image of you as a 'hot piece of a*s' will also take some getting used to.

[jjonsalt]

...and I really have no money of mi own.

Ahh! A kept man.

[PetKal]

Ok, got it toy boy ... but you must now be the most expensive seat warmer ever :shock: The mental image of you as a 'hot piece of a*s' will also take some getting used to.

Condyk lad, you seem to require an inordinary amount of coaching on the issue of ladies' tastes. Since I am not a Californian nor an alumnus of the English public school (read "private" in Canada) "system", it is not my "ar*e" which makes the key happy difference in those matters.
(Gotta be careful talking about the Californian men....they tend to be a very close knit bunch;) )

[Lord_Malone]

Happy to respond to a request by the US Army Special Forces.

Not SF. Though we have worked closely with them on many occaisions. ;) I'm actually a Cavalry Scout. Recon. Find, fix, destroy, shoot, move, communicate... That sort of thing.

[PetKal]

Not SF. Though we have worked closely with them on many occaisions. ;) I'm actually a Cavalry Scout. Recon. Find, fix, destroy, shoot, move, communicate... That sort of thing.

Ok, got it. You do not mean "neuter" by that, do you ?:shock:

[Lord_Malone]

Ok, got it. You do not mean "neuter" by that, do you ?:shock:

LOL "pinpoint location" or "confirm target location" more or less. ;)

[hef]

LOL "pinpoint location" or "confirm target location" more or less. ;)

In my day we called that "triangulate"...

Pet-Kal, i'm jealous over that 16-35... Post some comparisons against that 17-40 when you get it. My goal is to sell all of that N*KON crap, and get a MKIIn and 16-35.. Then, stick a fork in me, i'm done.

[Lord_Malone]

In my day we called that "triangulate"...



C'mon, Hef. You know us military types have to break it down in laymens terms. ;) But you're right, esp. when you're static.

[PetKal]

In my day we called that "triangulate"...

Pet-Kal, i'm jealous over that 16-35... Post some comparisons against that 17-40 when you get it. My goal is to sell all of that N*KON crap, and get a MKIIn and 16-35.. Then, stick a fork in me, i'm done.

I guess Lordy knows that already ;) , I have some reservations about the MkII(N) as a generic photography camera. The more I use it the more I am convinced it is a "speed specialist" of a body. Unless one needs/wants that speed, I think one might be better served by the 5D. (BTW the 5D is on my "next" gear list.)

When it comes to the 16-35, i'll report it the way I see it. We have gone thru some superb non L lenses and some crappy L lenses before....so I am ready for and open to anything.:D

[Lord_Malone]

I have some reservations about the MkII(N) as a generic photography camera. The more I use it the more I am convinced it is a "speed specialist" of a body.

Well, I guess "generic photography" is what I'll be keeping my 20D around for, eh? ;) The MKIIn will be my photojournalist tool as I travel the world and beyond. Geez, I sound like a tool. Or how do you Canucks say? A hoser, eh?

[condyk]

Looks like Hef is competing with you Pete ... his is definately longer than yours and he's swinging both ways at the moment :p

[hef]

Looks like Hef is competing with you Pete ... his is definately longer than yours and he's swinging both ways at the moment :p

Not for long... I've had the d200 for about a week. Not impressed. I had a d1, d1x & d100 and thought i'd give it a try with all of the N*KON gear I still have.

But clearly, the CANON gear I have (just sold my 20d) is my future. The 5d is a fantastic piece of technology... I can't imaging what the MKIIn will be like. Then,,, I'm done for awhile....

Well, maybe some more "L" glass.

[PetKal]

Looks like Hef is competing with you Pete ... his is definately longer than yours and he's swinging both ways at the moment :p

Dave: Many men go for the length. I hear that might be a sign of some sort of insecurity. I go for the diameter/width....lookey at my modest lens collection....400mm is the longest whereas I've gottten quite an assortment of the stubby ones.

Lordy, without going into specifics, to qualify for "hoser" distinction you have to (over)dress genuinely funny and warm. Having your mother buy you clothes and then dress you just does not cut it in Canada. Perhaps it does in California ? Or on US Navy submarines ?

[Tom W]

Nice!! How soon can you do a real world comparison with the 17-40??

Heh Heh - I was thinking the same thing. :)

[Lord_Malone]

Lordy, without going into specifics, to qualify for "hoser" distinction you have to (over)dress genuinely funny and warm.

Oh, yeah. That's me. Definitely.

[Pell]

Forgive my ignorance, but you seem like a nature shooter. Why not sell some of your lenses and invest in a more appropriate wildlife lens like a 500 or 600mm?

Again, I am not familiar with you or your style. Just a suggestion :)

[PetKal]

Heh Heh - I was thinking the same thing. :)
I would like very much to have seen a comparison myself.:rolleyes: However, there is always time for that. Normally , I do not pay all that attention to who's got what. (Not 100% true, I care deeply about Dante's L inventory...).
However, I could not help noticing that Belmondo has both lenses listed in his inventory. He may wish to give us his take on the comparison of 16-35 vs. 17-40 ? Maybe there is something already to that effect available in the archives. ?

[condyk]

... I could not help noticing that Belmondo has both lenses listed in his inventory. He may wish to give us his take on the comparison of 16-35 vs. 17-40 ?

You better PM him so he knows which end to screw on the camera :lol: :lol:

[PetKal]

You better PM him so he knows which end to screw on the camera :lol: :lol:

Levity aside, I think that a few people on POTN may own or used to own both lenses.
Belmondo may not be alone in that.

[PetKal]

Forgive my ignorance, but you seem like a nature shooter. Why not sell some of your lenses and invest in a more appropriate wildlife lens like a 500 or 600mm?

(1) When you see a lens of mine (or lenses) advertised on the Marketplace Forum, that would mean that either you'll be dealing with my widow, or I am trying to dump a "disappointment" lens that I could not, for whatever reason, return to my camera store.
(2) My present budget for telephoto lenses is $0.00.

So even if there was a desire, there would be no means.;)

[DavidEB]

Peter, there's never an end to means. Just take on additional, er, clients.

[PetKal]

Peter, there's never an end to means. Just take on additional, er, clients.

You devil, got me there good.:D

[Tom W]

I would like very much to have seen a comparison myself.:rolleyes: However, there is always time for that. Normally , I do not pay all that attention to who's got what. (Not 100% true, I care deeply about Dante's L inventory...).
However, I could not help noticing that Belmondo has both lenses listed in his inventory. He may wish to give us his take on the comparison of 16-35 vs. 17-40 ? Maybe there is something already to that effect available in the archives. ?

I did have both for a spell, but only got to compare them on the 1D II. In that battle, my 16-35 proved superior to my 17-40.

It would be interesting to see how the fare against one another on full-frame. Sounds like a Belmondo task to me.

[am_pitbull_terrier]

Sure....... rub it in :rolleyes:

:lol: J/K

[PetKal]

I did have both for a spell, but only got to compare them on the 1D II. In that battle, my 16-35 proved superior to my 17-40.

It would be interesting to see how the fare against one another on full-frame. Sounds like a Belmondo task to me.

It sure does. While at it, he might as well give us his input on the 14L performance.;)

[Michaelmjc]

Mikey, I know you are a good boy. However, are you as good looking as Dante ?;)
We've got his picture, eh.

Am I as good looking as Dante? PFFTT, well im not old, bald or ugly.. so I'd say way better looking ;):D

[PetKal]

Am I as good looking as Dante? PFFTT, well im not old, bald or ugly.. so I'd say way better looking ;):D

Ouch !:rolleyes:

[Sleepyd]

Nice!! How soon can you do a real world comparison with the 17-40??

Ducks in low light?

[Lord_Malone]

Oy! 'ows de 16-35 cummin', mate?

[hef]

Yes, show the goods!

[Lord_Malone]

???