Lens for EOS-10D

[k_s_rajeev]

Hi,

I am planning to buy a Canon EOS -10D and I am new to SLR world.

I am not sure what lens to buy, If I can get some suggestions or some web site where I can sudy about the lens and how to chose them i will be great.

If some one is currently using a EOS-10D and want to know your recomendations.

Thank you.

[RichardtheSane]

Many of us use 10D (me included) and many of us have more than one lens. Really you need to look at two things
1. Your budget
- remember you are spending a lot on the camera, don't skimp on the lens quality
2. What you plan on using the lens for
- General photography, wildlife, landscape.... etc

As a good mid-range lens the Canon 28-135 IS lens is a very good buy.

[daveh]

I like:

24 f2.8
35 f1.4
50 f1.4
85 f1.2
135 f2.0
200 f2.8
300 f4.0

All are great in my opinion and also get good reviews.

[ssim]

Daveh

I take it you are not a fan of zoom lenses? If not what is your reasoning.

[k_s_rajeev]

I am planning to take up Photography as serious hobby and life is just boring with out some thing new.

I am amzed by looking at the Photo's people have taken and posted.

As a starter I will be using this for general phtography, could be

1. Inside the hosue.
2. some time when I am on atrip.
3. Family function
4. Nature.
5. I would love to take some wide angle pictures ( Some thing like the Golden Gate bride wide angle shot)

I just want buy some thing which suites these all immeditely. I know I am spending quite a bit on the Camera, I just do not want to buy a low end Lens and repent or shoudl not feel that my camera is not good.

What do u think of the new 17-40mm f4/L


Thanks a lot for all your help.

[daveh]

ssim wrote:
Daveh

I take it you are not a fan of zoom lenses? If not what is your reasoning.

I've owned a few but I haven't found a long-term keeper yet. I haven't written them off forever though.

[daveh]

1. Inside the hosue.

...

What do u think of the new 17-40mm f4/L


Probably good for your other needs (not sure about #4 - "nature" encompasses a lot) but unless you plan to do all of your inside the house shots with a flash, I'd look for something faster as well. Could be a faster zoom or an "indoor prime".

[ChrisNardone]

I think the 17-40 f/4L is a great lens based on your needs. I recenently picked one up. I am starting to think it is my sharpest lens with my 10D.

[Belmondo]

Regarding DAVEH's recommendation:

I quickly thumbed through a recent B&H ad and discovered that he just recommend about $5800 worth of lenses. That might be a little bit of a strain for most people just getting started in the field.

Prime lenses are certainly preferable in a lot of circumstances---I own a couple. But they do require a little more planning on the part of the photographer, and they can fill a camera bag up pretty quickly, not to mention emptying one's wallet even more rapidly.

I think the better strategy for someone just starting is to get a couple middle-of-the-road zoom lenses between 28mm to around 300 mm. Later on, as need, experience, and finances allow, start picking up the specialty lenses.....even primes if that's what thrills you.

Tom

[daveh]

belmondo wrote:
I quickly thumbed through a recent B&H ad and discovered that he just recommend about $5800 worth of lenses. That might be a little bit of a strain for most people just getting started in the field.

Actually I wasn't assuming he'd start with more than one or maybe two (the original poster hadn't posted any specifics yet so I covered a range.) I didn't start out with a $1500 body or more than one lens either. I've been accumulating since around 1975.

[Belmondo]

DAVEH:

Your point is well made (and taken). The fact is, he'd probably be well served by gett the 50mm f1.4 and spending a little time getting to know the camera before spending any more money on lenses. I wish I'd done it that way myself, although I don't regret any of my lens choices so far (except for the Sigma 17-35 which I returned).

Now, I must sign off and start drawing up some 'Arnold for Governor' signs for my front lawn.

It's an interesting day in California.

[daveh]

belmondo wrote:
It's an interesting day in California.

Judgment day? (Terminator humor.)

[CyberDyneSystems]

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[k_s_rajeev]

Hey Guys that really a great response from you all in such short period.

I think missed to tell littel more about.

I am just planning to buy one lense for now and try to learn and at the same time make sure I have good camera and lens.

I am ok to some where near $500 (Plus or minus $200).

The latest price I saw for 17-40mm lens around $759.

Should I invest in this lense or little less priced one.

I will be needing all of your help in learning this camera and taking good photo's.

Thanks again.

[Belmondo]

The 17-40L is a wonderful lens, but probably not the best if you're only going to have one lens.

My recommendation is the 28-135IS. It gives you the 35mm equivalence of 45-215mm, and that's a good range for all around shooting......slightly wide-angle to moderately telephoto.

If, on the other hand, you think you're going to have more use for wide-angle, then the 17-40 reallly can't be topped, even for the money. Of course, there's the 17-35 Sigma, but my own personal experience with that lens was less than fulfilling. Others swear by it, and it's about $300 less than the Canon.

Best of luck.

Tom

[sjprg]

Fairly inexspensive combo is the 24 f/2.8 approx $300.00, and the 75-300 at about $180.00. These are non IS but they can teach a lot. IS is nice but not necessary. Pick up a cheap tripod for the 75-300. Save the dollars for L glass after you learn. Here is a 75-300 image

http://www.pbase.com/image/19299336

[D60DIETER]

Hi,

if you start you should go for a lens that provides you good results.
On my op the best learning experience to get is if you do not have a too big zoom range (mostly beginners do not overlook what happens when the zoom from 28 to 135mm). The 17-40/4,0 "L" Glas is an excellent choice. I use the 16-35/2,8 for just walking around, expermenting and it´s wonderful. The 17-40 gives you a 35mm range from 27 to 64mm. Thats great.
If you buy this lens you start with the best that money can do. And be shure, the quality of the lense is very important!!

Good Light

Dieter

[Marignan_1515]

Hi guys,
Same question for me. My D30's lens just died (sigma 28-300 f3.5-6.3 - aperture is stuck at f11)
I knew it wasn't a great lens, but as a phase 1, I've put my money in the D30 and bought a cheap-large range lens to wait until I can buy better lenses: phase 2.
I'm now forced to apply phase 2.... and I need advice to choose amoung the hundred of EOS lenses (Canon-sigma-Tokina-Tamron-etc..) (I'm not sure about sigma's quality : a broken lens after 2 years only....)

My needs:
[A] RANGE: I'm using very often my lens around 200-300, so I would like to keep this ability, or even above.
I was sometime frustrated not beeing able to have a wide angle (below 28=~50equiv). So I would like to cover this range too (prime/zoom?).
[B} I-Stabilzation: I don't know about IS value add, but I'm very exited about taking pictures at 300mm-speed1/30 or less without getting a modern art blur....
[C] PRIME/ZOOM? : I'm not a fan of changing lens at every picture or carrying 20kg of hardware with me, so my preference would go to zoom unless someone convinced me (I've read the previous msg, and I'm not yet convinced...)
[D] QUALITY: I really would like to get quality products, not only from a optical standpoint but also in term of build.
[E] $$$ : my goal is around $1000, but I can go up to $1500 if I'm really conviced about added value for this amoung of $$...

Well.... my first thoughts were a canon 35-350, then I was considering a 50-500 or 100-300 with a cheap wide zoom like 28-105 or Tamron 28-80. I like the 100-400 IS, but there's no money left for a wide angle... I'm now lost...

Any idea?

[CyberDyneSystems]

I have the 17-40mm,. it is a great lens,. BUT I would NEVER recomend such a wide angle zoom if it is the only lens you will have for a while.

I agree with the 28-135 IS or something in that neighborhood for starters.

Marignan,

I also have the 50-500mm Sigma,. and I highly recomend it if price is a storng consideration. No other lens will get you such a nice 500mm at that price. But aware it is a very heavy lens. If you can manage the Canon 100-400 IS,. it may be better suited, but that big Sigma is a real bargain for about $800.00

For below 28mm look at the Canon 17-40mm @ $800.00 or the Sigma 15-30mm @ about $500.00 Also canon has a cheapie at 20-??mm (can't remeber) but it is not at the level of the others.

The 100-300s are mostly all pretty bad,. but Sigma has a new 100-300mm f/4 that stands out as a very good piece of glass,. but it too is rather pricey,. especially compared to the cheep 100-300s out there.

[lightandlife]

Marignan_1515 wrote:
Hi guys,
Well.... my first thoughts were a canon 35-350, then I was considering a 50-500 or 100-300 with a cheap wide zoom like 28-105 or Tamron 28-80. I like the 100-400 IS, but there's no money left for a wide angle... I'm now lost...

Any idea?


100-400 IS is a good lens outdoors, but not indoors even with IS. Prime lens, 85mm 1.2L, for instance, is much better indoors. I took a hundred shots with each, but ended up throwing away most of the shots from 100-400 IS.

85mm 1.2L, which was the first lens I bought, gave me soul satisfying pictures.

lightandlife

[robertwgross]

CyberDyneSystems wrote:
...

I also have the 50-500mm Sigma,. and I highly recomend it if price is a storng consideration. No other lens will get you such a nice 500mm at that price. But aware it is a very heavy lens. If you can manage the Canon 100-400 IS,. it may be better suited, but that big Sigma is a real bargain for about $800.00
...

Exception. The 170-500mm Sigma gives you the same 500mm but at a cheaper price. All of these long lenses are heavy, but you need to get the optional trailer. :-)

---Bob Gross---

[k_s_rajeev]

Can some one explain me what is wide angel zoom.

Does thi goes me the capability to cover more wide space.

What is IS and what is Telephoto lens?

Thank you.

[msvirick]

I think Canon 24-135 USM IS is a good stater lens for a new 10D owner. One can leave this all the times. It is a good indoor lens, and a good generalist lens.
As you get to know your 10D better choices of another lens will become more clearer.

[msvirick]

k_s_rajeev wrote:


What is IS and what is Telephoto lens?

Thank you.
IS stands for Image Stablization. It is good for some of us with unsteady hands. Ofcourse it is also good when the time exposure goes up.

[pwagner]

Hi k_s_,

>>> what is wide angel, wide angle, zoom, IS, telelphoto

[Marignan_1515]

Thanks all for your advice. I'll probably go for a 100-400 IS with a fast prime lence around 50mm as lightandlife suggested (indoor shot). I still need to think about it.

The Sigma 50-500 is very attractive and CyberDyneSystems seems to confirm this point too... difficult...

k_s_rajeev ,
I don't know about "wide angel zoom", but I can tell you about wide angle zoom ;-)))
The "wide" is for a low focal (eg.28mm), the angle of view is much larger. The "zoom" (variable focal eg. 24-135mm) is opposed to prime lens (fixe focal eg. 28mm)
"IS" stands for image stabilization: small movement are detected and corrected by moving slitgly lens group to stick to the image. It's a great help when you are using large focal (200 or over at slow speed (1/30, 1/15 or higher). Canon says "Electronic signals emitted by vibration-detecting gyro sensors are used to move the image-stabilizing lens group in parallel along the optical axis, providing clear picture quality at all times"
more here http://www.usa.canon.com/html/eflenses/technology/imagestabilizer.html
"telephoto lens" is actually a optical ring monted btw the body and the lens that can increase the focal of a lens. They can be x2, x1.6... eg if you have 200mm lens, you can make it a 400mm by using a x2 telephoto lens
somme good definition here: http://wwwdk.kodak.com/global/en/consumer/glossary/termsT.shtml

[Marignan_1515]

It seems that pwagner has a better and accurate definition for Telephoto. disregard mine.

[pwagner]

Hi,

I'm back again.

I bought a 10D about a month ago. I now have 3 lenses and wanted to share my thoughts about them.

Canon 50mm f1.8: The nickname "thrifty fifty" is fitting here, because it costs only $80. Its large maximum aperture of 1.8 makes it a GREAT low-light (indoor) lens; it is light, small, and has great optics (sharp image). The only negatives are a slightly "cheap" feel: plastic body, noisy and less than state-of-the-art focusing system. If you are on a budget, you can't go wrong with this lens.

Canon 28-135mm IS USM: This has to be the most often prescribed lens! It has a great zoom range, image stabilization, and the USM focusing mechanics. The optics are considered decent for the $450 price. It is fairly light and is only moderately large, making it an easy lens to carry around. Note that the Canon 10D multiplies all focal lengths by 1.6x, making it a 45-216mm zoom focal range that mostly fits the range of high end non-SLR digitals such as the Minolta Dimage and Sonly 7xx cameras.

Canon 100-400 L IS USM: Canon "L" lenses are built like a tank and have top-of-the-line operation and optics. The main strong points are: telephoto distance (see picture of my previous post), versatility of a zoom, "IS" means you don't need a tripod (usually). Disadvantages: 18 inches long (extened and with hood), 10 inches long at the smallest, weighs 3 pounds, $1400, not good in low-light (indoors). The quality of this lens makes it BY FAR my favorite.

[openspace]

I know I'll probably get flamed for saying this, but if you are absolutely limited to one do-it-all lens (save for serious macro photography) check out the Tamron 28-200 f3.8-5.6 XR. The list is just over $500 US.

Call me crazy, but when I go backpacking, the only 2 lenses I take are the older Tamron 28-200 f3.8-5.6 LD and a tack sharp Tamron 90mm Macro.

Sure, the 28-200 can be a bit soft at either end, and it's not the fastest glass on the market. But being a landscape photographer, I almost always stop down to f8 or smaller and I am very satisfied with the results.

I shoot in RAW mode, and with a bit of sharpening in Capture One and/or Photoshop, I can generate image quality that is indistinguishable from those I shoot with my 80-200 f2.8. In fact, most of the prints I have hanging in my house or have sold were shot with this lens.

For me, it really has been a do-it-all lens. And when I have 50 pounds of other gear on my back , and I'm slogging over a 12,000 foot pass, I am ever so thankful for the light weight.

One final word - This is based on experience with the older Tamron 28-200 f3.8-5.6 LD lens (72mm filter). I have not tried the newer version, although I have heard great things. Based on what I have read and heard about the Tamron 28-300, I can NOT recommend it.

[Marignan_1515]

Hi pwagner

I'm so glad to see your msg... you actually came up with the same conclusion than me, but I wasn't considering this option due to $$ (28-135 + 100-400 = ~$2000). However, that's the perfect lens kit - a dream.
As you said, adding a prime like your 50f/1.8 -- I would go 35f/2 or 24f/2.8 which is equivalent to 50mm -- is the perfect addition, also an addition of $200 or $300...

That's above my budget (I said $1000, up to $1500 if really convinced... Shall I add another $500 to my upper limit.... I need to think over the week end....

I may need to give up smthg (100-400... not cheap) and replace with a cheaper alternative...

[pwagner]

>>> I may need to give up smthg (100-400... not cheap)

[dynesaur]

I'm thinking about buying the Sigma 15-30 lens. Is this lens 100% compatible with the 10D? I have heard that it causes the 10D to flash an error message. Is this true? Any advice/comments about the Sigma 15-30 lens? Also, is it true that the built-in lens hood is not removable? I need to have a removable lens hood so that I can screw-in my filter holder.

[phuocle]

Hi all,

After shooting with a point-and-shoot digicam for 3+ years (Canon G1), I finally upgraded to the 10D and faced the same dilema.

Initially, I picked up the ubiquitous Canon 50mm f/1.8 and Sigma 28-70mm f/3.5-5.6. I then added a manual Zenitar 16mm fisheye while debating options on my wide angle and telephoto solutions.

After looking long and hard at everything, reading numerous reviews & recommendations, and viewing sample images, I settled on get L glass.

It wasn't easy on the wallet for sure, but I ended up with the Canon 16-35mm L and the Canon 100-400mm L. The 16-35 I have been playing with for a few days and am happy with the optics, build quality, etc.

The 100-400 will come next Tuesday. I'll let you guys know then.

Bottom line is that you should just bite the bullet and go for the best you can afford (even if that means stretching your budget a bit).

At the end of the day (maybe in a year), I will end up selling the Sigma & Zenitar and buying the Canon 28-70 f/2.8L and Canon 70-200 f/2.8L IS.

[Tonique]

If you want to save money and learn the good way, get a canon 50mm 1.8 and a canon 20mm 2.8. You can get both new for 500$US. You'll get plenty of light for indoor use and you get damn sharp pictures. They're also pretty light lenses.

Have fun.

[puttick]

"Openspace" suggested the Tamron 28-200 XR lens. I have one of these for my film EOS, and have been reasonably happy with it as a do-it-all lens for travelling light. I was thinking of using it on a planned purchase of a 10D, but the local photo shop said it would be soft (and less bright) at the WA end as it would not give a parallel light path to the sensor. Their argument was that a CCD sensor needs a near-parallel light path, whereas film can work with light from any angle.

Any truth in this, or is it just BS?

Has anyone used this lens on a D-SLR and can comment from actual experience?

Oh, yes, I realise I will still need a wider angle also due to the 1.6x factor.

Thanks
Nigel

[k_s_rajeev]

After reading all your suggestions. I am thinking of buying the EF 28-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS USM

SPECIFICATIONS

Focal Length & Maximum Aperture: 28-135mm 1:3.5-5.6
Lens Construction: 16 elements in 12 groups
Diagonal Angle of View: 75º - 18º
Focus Adjustment: Inner focusing system with USM
Closest Focusing Distance: 0.5m / 1.6 ft.
Zoom System: Rotating type
Filter Size: 72mm
Max. Diameter x Length, Weight: 3.1" x 3.8", 18.9 oz. / 78.4 x 96.8mm, 540g

1. Can some one tell me what exactly this means

Closest Focusing Distance: 0.5m / 1.6 ft.

2. What do you guys think about this lens for a new guy getting ion to SLR world.

3. The lowest price I found for this is around $400/-

4. What other lense do you guys think I need to buy( Just my budget may be not be big for the second lens)

Thank you.

[Marignan_1515]

k_s_rajeev wrote:
1. Can some one tell me what exactly this means
Closest Focusing Distance: 0.5m / 1.6 ft.

It means that you can not take a picture of an object within 0.5m from the camera. You'll never get the focus. If you want small focusin distance, you'll need macro lenses

[Marignan_1515]

I'm back with my thoughts after reading all your comments and knowledge (btw, thanks a lot for your tips!)

I have a better idea how I will replace my broken sigma 28-300:

Alt 1.
> Canon EF 70-200mm f/4 USM L
> Canon EF 17-40mm f/4 USM L
~$1400, just highend "L" lenses, but no "IS", no range above 200 (which is ~320 equiv...), a hole btw 40 and 70, but a great wide angle capability.

Alt 2.
> Canon EF 70-200mm f/4 USM L
> Canon EF 28-135mm f/3.5-5.6 USM IS
~$1000 - "L" for tele and "IS" for large range. good averlap btw both lenses.. that's my cheapest alt

Alt 3.
> Canon EF 70-200mm f/4 USM L
> Canon EF 50mm f/1.4 USM
> Canon EF 20mm f/2.8 USM
~$1300 to 1500 - a good tele, may be short and just a few good and fast prime. will need to switch lenses often...

Alt 4.
> Canon EF 35-350mm f/3.5-5.6 USM L
~$1500.... all in one - "L" - but very heavy! 1385g! (3lb)

other combinaison I had, but they are over $2000
> Canon EF 100-400mm f/4.5-5.6 USM L IS
> Canon EF 28-135mm f/3.5-5.6 USM IS

or
Canon EF 70-200mm f/4 USM L
Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8 USM L

[k_s_rajeev]

After reading all your suggestions. I am thinking of buying the EF 28-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS USM

SPECIFICATIONS

Focal Length & Maximum Aperture: 28-135mm 1:3.5-5.6
Lens Construction: 16 elements in 12 groups
Diagonal Angle of View: 75º - 18º
Focus Adjustment: Inner focusing system with USM
Closest Focusing Distance: 0.5m / 1.6 ft.
Zoom System: Rotating type
Filter Size: 72mm
Max. Diameter x Length, Weight: 3.1" x 3.8", 18.9 oz. / 78.4 x 96.8mm, 540g

2. What do you guys think about this lens for a new guy getting ion to SLR world.

3. The lowest price I found for this is around $400/-

4. What other lense do you guys think I need to buy( Just my budget may be not be big for the second lens)

Thank you.

[mkaplan]

k_s_rajeev

The 28-135 is a very good all around lens. You will appreciate the IS and it may not be an L lens but is not lacking in quality of pictures you can get. I just got mine and have not even had a chance to go out and take any real pictures with it yet other than trying it in my room to make sure it works.

You can get it for $375 import model (I think) here: http://www.hotbuyselectronics.com/company_list.php?company=56&category=2 . I bought my Sigma 15-30 from them. They do have USA models available but call them for availablility and pricing.

[mkaplan]

dynesaur wrote:
I'm thinking about buying the Sigma 15-30 lens. Is this lens 100% compatible with the 10D? I have heard that it causes the 10D to flash an error message. Is this true? Any advice/comments about the Sigma 15-30 lens? Also, is it true that the built-in lens hood is not removable? I need to have a removable lens hood so that I can screw-in my filter holder.

No. Some older Sigma lenses will cause the error 99 message. These would need to be re-chipped by Sigma and are done at no charge. The 15-30 is a newer lens and it works perfectly with the 10D. It is a very nice lens. You can see some sample images I took with the lens here:
http://www.pbase.com/mkaplan/sigma_1530_samples

[k_s_rajeev]

HI Guys,

will the EOS-10D comes with battery charger or i need to buy it seperately.

where can I get a good price for memory for 10d and is there anything specific kind of memory I need to be looking for.

Thank you.,

[mkaplan]

Yes, a single battery charger comes with the 10D. As far as memory,it can use ANY CF card or Microdrive. The 1GB Microdrives are under $200 now and you can get a fast 1GB CF card for a less than $300 (shop around, maybe less than $250). You will find a Sandisk regular card on sale for under $200 but is is a slow card. Do a search on the net as every week someone else has them on sale.

[Marignan_1515]

I've made some work on gathering data from the web:

http://www.geocities.com/jacques_weber_us/tele.htm
http://www.geocities.com/jacques_weber_us/prime.htm

93 zoom lenses for EOS and 63 prime lenses.
the 28-135 is 47/93 with a score of 2.85/5 due to :
- "heavy distortions" at 28 and "significant distorsion" at 135
- vignetting, "significant"at 35 & "little vignetting" at 135
- "quite heavy" flare (I'm not sure what flare is)...

the top wide angle lenses are:
4 Canon EF 17-40mm f/4 USM L
5 Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8 USM L
6 Canon EF 20-35mm f/2.8 L
7 Canon EF 28-70mm f/2.8 USM L
14 Tokina AF 20-35mm f/2.8 AT-X Pro
17 Canon EF 16-35mm f/2.8 USM L

the top tele are:
1 Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8 USM L
2 Canon EF 70-200mm f/4 USM L
3 Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8 USM L IS
8 Canon EF 100-400mm f/4.5-5.6 USM L IS
9 Tamron AF 70-210mm f/2.8 SP LD
10 Canon EF 80-200mm f/2.8 L

the top large range are:
21 Canon EF 50-200mm f/3.5-4.5 L
22 Canon EF 35-350mm f/3.5-5.6 USM L
41 Sigma AF 50-500mm f/4-6.3 APO EX (HSM)
57 Tokina AF 24-200mm f/3.5-5.6 AT-X

[chris maddock]

marignan_1515 wrote:
I've made some work on gathering data from the web:

http://www.geocities.com/jacques_weber_us/lens_eos.xls

93 zoom lenses for EOS and 63 prime lenses.
the 28-135 is 47/93 with a score of 2.85/5 due to :
- "heavy distortions" at 28 and "significant distorsion" at 135
- vignetting, "significant"at 35 & "little vignetting" at 135


Do bear in mind that the 1.6 crop factor of a 10D will minimise or even eliminate the worst effects of these points because the edge of the 35mm frame is not used in a 10D.

KRs
Chris

[Marignan_1515]

chris maddock wrote:the edge of the 35mm frame is not used in a 10D.
very good point!
I didn't remember this point, and I now know why I've never notice any dist or vign with my old sigma 28-300, known as very bad "critical or heavy distortions and vigneting"
Thnaks!

[Marignan_1515]

correction on my previous links

http://www.geocities.com/jacques_weber_us/tele.htm
http://www.geocities.com/jacques_weber_us/prime.htm

excel version available http://www.geocities.com/jacques_weber_us

[dynesaur]

No. Some older Sigma lenses will cause the error 99 message. These would need to be re-chipped by Sigma and are done at no charge. The 15-30 is a newer lens and it works perfectly with the 10D. It is a very nice lens. You can see some sample images I took with the lens here:
http://www.pbase.com/mkaplan/sigma_1530_samples

I think i'm going to buy the sigma and not the canon 17-40mm lens considering the price difference. But can the built-in lens hood of the sigma 15-30 be removed? I really need to have a removable lens hood to allow me to screw in my cokin filter holder.

[dynesaur]

No. Some older Sigma lenses will cause the error 99 message. These would need to be re-chipped by Sigma and are done at no charge. The 15-30 is a newer lens and it works perfectly with the 10D. It is a very nice lens. You can see some sample images I took with the lens here:
http://www.pbase.com/mkaplan/sigma_1530_samples

I guess i'm going to buy the sigma instead of the canon 17-40mm considering the price difference. but can i remove the built-in lens hood of the sigma? I really need to have a removable lens hood so that I can attach my scre-in type Cokin Filter Holder.

[mkaplan]

marignan_1515 wrote:
I've made some work on gathering data from the web:

http://www.geocities.com/jacques_weber_us/tele.htm
http://www.geocities.com/jacques_weber_us/prime.htm

93 zoom lenses for EOS and 63 prime lenses.
the 28-135 is 47/93 with a score of 2.85/5 due to :


I don't know where the data came from but I trust Photodo and Photozone's testing and Photodo has the 28-135 at 3.5 and Photozone has the average of 5 test labs and has it at 3.25.

The 70-200 test as follows:
F2.8IS F2.8 F4
Photodo 4.10 4.07 4.17
Photozone N/A 4.1 4.1

The results for the 70-200 are very close but the results for the 28-135 are way off. Either way they are all good lenses just some being a little better than others.

[Belmondo]

I've read in a few different threads that a possible justification for buying less expensive lenses is that they really don't have to perform near the edges because of the 1.6 multiplication factor, and that is true for now. But people really should factor in the likelihood that subsequent cameras will very possibly be full-frame formats, and then lens performance will be critical.

My experience (which I doubt is unique) is that the aggregate cost of lenses has far surpassed the cost of the 10D body. The upside is: when the 11D or 20D or the $2500 1Ds becomes available, I know I'll have lenses equal to the potential of the next camera.

[Marignan_1515]

mkaplan wrote:I don't know where the data came from but I trust Photodo and Photozone's testing and Photodo has the 28-135 at 3.5 and Photozone has the average of 5 test labs and has it at 3.25.
I get them from photoZone.de (I think - I've spent so much time looking everywhere...). they are actually based on tests, as well as experience photographers opinions (over 150 opinions for the main lenses like canon L and/or IS lenses)
Canon EF 28-135mm f/3.5-5.6 USM IS 2.85/5 for heavy distorsion and quite heavy flare
Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8 USM L 4.73/5

mkaplan wrote:Either way they are all good lenses just some being a little better than others.
You're right - we are talking about gap btw excellent and superb.... I'm just concerned when I see the word heavy or critical for distorsion or vignetting. Even if borders/corners are not so much important with the current D-body, it may become in the future when D-body will be using the full optical size than regular 35mm.
I'm also looking at the build quality rate (Have had some quality issues with a sigma - don't want similar issue again)

[tikkeltokkel]

youve misquoted the lens tests with their relevant site. The test for the "photodo.com" site should be ...N/A , 4.1 , 4.1 . i wonder why photodo dont update their tests and include the popular new lenses out there.. strange

[mkaplan]

tikkeltokkel wrote:
youve misquoted the lens tests with their relevant site. The test for the "photodo.com" site should be ...N/A , 4.1 , 4.1 . i wonder why photodo dont update their tests and include the popular new lenses out there.. strange

Yes, it seems I did that. Tried to put it up too fast.
The correct results are:
The 70-200 test as follows:
.................F2.8IS.F2.8....F4
Photozone 4.10...4.07..4.17
Photodo.....N/A....4.1....4.1

My guess is that Photodo is no longer doing tests. If I remember correctly it has been 2 years since the last test. That is why I went to Photozone to keep more current.

[Marignan_1515]

ok - thanks for the tips - I'll check both site in the future for any optical evaluation.
It just confirm that all 3 lenses are very much highend, and definitly good products. Curious why the f4 seems a little better , but also surprised about the gap btw f2.8 and f2.8IS (same optics, just larger diameter to include the IS system, no?)