Let me see if I understand this.........

[WalStro]

The 10D came out in the spring of the year, some with focusing problems similar to those on the D60, am I right? It is now late summer and Canon is STILL making cameras with the SAME problem? Uh.................what the heck is wrong with this picture?!! Geeze, I was taking a long look at that item today thinking that maybe I could spring for it but now I'm having serious reservations. If my information is out of date I'd like somebody to let me know.

[defordphoto]

No.

The focus weakness with the D60 is in low light. In very low light the D60 hunts and hunts and sometimes never finds focus. A simple flip of a switch to MF fixes all that.

The focus bug in the early 10D's was truly a bug and the newer cameras are not having focus issues. But, there could still be some older cameras out there floating around. If you have a serial # of 03XXX or less then you could have, but not necessarily have, the infamous front and/or back focusing issues.

A friend of mine just purchased a new 10D with serial # of 07XXX. Another thing to remember is that this issues affected a very small number of 10D's. The vast majority of them had no focus issues whatsoever. Not ALL the early cameras had the bug.

What was funny about the whole focus issue is that instigated D60, 1D and 1Ds owners to also test their cameras and we even saw some threads from those owners questioning alleged front/back focus problems.

Though the 10D focusing issue was indeed real, it has been overblown a multitude of times as to how vast it really was.

I bought my 10D in May this year and it's perfect. I'd buy another one, in total confidence that it would also be perfect, in a heartbeat and I have no problem recommending this camera to anyone interested in a digital SLR.

The 10D is one of the finest digital cameras in the world and, in my opinion, stands alone in its price point.

[CyberDyneSystems]

I do not recall anyone suggesting that the d60 had the same issue.

But this is beside the point,. for the 10D I think the "problem" may seem a bit overblown...

I realise it easy for me to say that as I did not get a "bad" one,. and I DO absolutely understand and believe that there are "bad" ones out ther.

But the long and short of it is every product that is realeased will have a few that don't function perfectly. Quality Control can only go so far,. and I have never heard of anyone getting a Canon Camera that simply "didn't work" out of the box.

So clearly all of the camera's are tested before they are sold. But how far can this testing go? Do the ruler test on every camera at the factory?

Seems unlikely.

If I understand the Serial numbers on the 10D correctly,. the 10D is closing in on 1 million sold. Out of that 1 million the people who have indeed recieved units with focus problems are the most likely to end up turning to the web for assistance,. and thus a disproportionate amount will end up in Forum's with issues.

I personally know of very few cases reported on this and other forums,. maybe 12 alltogether.

But even if it's hundereds,. what are the odds? How good is Canon's QC if .01 percent has a focus issue?

And what's the overall risk if Canon going to reapair it for you under warranty?

I would not worry,. and get the 10D,. it is a great Camera.

[defordphoto]

CyberDyneSystems wrote:
I would not worry,. and get the 1D,. it is a great Camera.

After all that you recommend the 1D??? ;) Fix that typo man!!

[MarkH]

CyberDyneSystems wrote:
But this is beside the point,. for the 10D I think the "problem" may seem a bit overblown...

I realise it easy for me to say that as I did not get a "bad" one,. and I DO absolutely understand and believe that there are "bad" ones out ther.

But the long and short of it is every product that is realeased will have a few that don't function perfectly. Quality Control can only go so far,. and I have never heard of anyone getting a Canon Camera that simply "didn't work" out of the box.

If I understand the Serial numbers on the 10D correctly,. the 10D is closing in on 1 million sold. Out of that 1 million the people who have indeed recieved units with focus problems are the most likely to end up turning to the web for assistance,. and thus a disproportionate amount will end up in Forum's with issues.

I personally know of very few cases reported on this and other forums,. maybe 12 alltogether.

But even if it's hundereds,. what are the odds? How good is Canon's QC if .01 percent has a focus issue?

.

If Canon have sold 1 Million units, then even 5000 faulty units would only amount to 0.5% failure rate, which is pretty good.

Mine is fine, my friends one is fine, most sold are fine.

The only problem I have is that I will take some time to recover financially from the purchase of the camera and I probably can't get any L series lenses till next year!

I have taken almost 6000 photos in the last 2 months and I am very happy with my 10D.

[scottbergerphoto]

I love my 10D. Just check the forum for numerous threads of people happy with this camera. All the photos on my PBASE account are from my 10D. Buy it.

[CyberDyneSystems]

RFMSports wrote:
CyberDyneSystems wrote:
I would not worry,. and get the 1D,. it is a great Camera.

After all that you recommend the 1D??? ;) Fix that typo man!!


DOH!!!!!!!!


:)

//done

[Hatem Eldoronki]

My serial starts at 05xxxx. I have no focus problems. I highly recommend the 10D. If you've seen the various photos from the 10D and still think they're not up to your expectations, then wait for the Sony F828. If you think you love the 10D but scared it would let you down, then don't be afraid and get it.
There is really no reason not to try things for yourself, because everyone's opinion is based on a lot of factors. Everyone including myself is biased towards an opinon, good or bad. Judge for yourself. Take a compact flash card to a camera dealer and ask him to test the camera. Then go home and play with the pictures. That's what I did when I was in doubt, and now I can't do without!
Good luck.

[Griffin]

I am not sure about my camera's serial #. I just run a couple of tests as suggested by Roger, I just shoot away. So far, no problem. The extra AF points and improved AF capabilities helps me a lot in taking night lights, which is quite hard to do using my good old D30. Too bad PBase is down (and I want my money back!) or I would post some of my tests results here.


Griffin.

[lightandlife]

CyberDyneSystems wrote:
I do not recall anyone suggesting that the d60 had the same issue.

I personally know of very few cases reported on this and other forums,. maybe 12 alltogether.

But even if it's hundereds,. what are the odds? How good is Canon's QC if .01 percent has a focus issue?

And what's the overall risk if Canon going to reapair it for you under warranty?

I would not worry,. and get the 10D,. it is a great Camera.

D60 also had a similar problem, I hear.

It is difficult to estimate the probability, but it may be greater than 1%, especially among the early batch. Some early 10Ds had the focusing problem, so much so that Korean consumers boycotted 10D.

I bought one in Hong Kong and returned it because of the focusing problem. Got another and also returned it for a refund (It would have taken 2 weeks to fix it, and I had to leave in one week). But I am determined to get one once I return to America this weekend.

I believe 10D is an excellent camera, and I commend the researchers who developed this camera. There was just a quality control problem, and they test only a small sample of cameras. (100% testing is too costly) 10D was able to get many night scenes without a flash that D30 could not.

[Longwatcher]

Having both the 10D and D60, and doing all the ruler tests on all but my newest lens (at least yet).

I found, my 10D has no focusing problem. I can't remember serial number, but I got mine on day one, so I know it is a low one, there is a very good chance I was first in state of Virginia outside of store owners to have one that belonged to me in my hand, since the store I got it from got them on Friday and most other stores got them three days later on Monday (at least in my area).

However, I discovered my D60 had a back focus issue with a couple of my lenses, but it was within the depth of field range even in those cases, so technically no problem as far as I was concerned. I did not send it to Canon, because they would want the lenses with it and then they would probably be messed up on my 10D.

Just my experience

[WalStro]

Thanks for the input, guys. That clears up the issue for me. If my credit card is not maxed out from my recent vacation I'll get one soon.

[ninrood]

I have just bought one of the 07xxx series and I'm having problems with a sigma lens but no problens at all with canon lens (details in my post: http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=15476).

any ideas?

ninrood

[photography By Evangelos]

Well I have 2 canon EOS 10D cameras with the starting numbers of #02xxxxxxx4 and the second camera is 02xxxxxx5 both cameras are from the same bacth and they both have problems is A/F I will be calling canon CPS tomorrow to see how long it will take for them to look them over and try to fix them or replace them A.S.A.P. as I can not be with out my cameras for a long time. I am very disappointed with the camera so far and the D60 seem to work better when in good light it is spot on. The 10D is very inconsistent so far and is driving me nuts. Best of luck to you all.

[lightandlife]

By all means, send one at a time to Canon for repair and they will fix it. It is Canon's problem. We are just inconvenienced.

There are cameramen who were even killed by someone else's mistakes. Enjoy what you can and fix problems. Although I returned two 10Ds, there were nice pictures from them. And I am going to get one once I get back to America.

[colmeg]

So are you saying that canon can fix this problam?

[lightandlife]

Yes. You have to trust the system.

One who creates a product should be able to fix any problem thereof.

[BobbyC]

lightandlife wrote:
so much so that Korean consumers boycotted 10D.


Although it was Korean consumers, it was a Korean camera club, not all Koreans.

Nitpicky, I know, but that implied it was a little broader than it really was.

[lightandlife]

BobbyC wrote:
lightandlife wrote:
so much so that Korean consumers boycotted 10D.


Although it was Korean consumers, it was a Korean camera club, not all Koreans.

Nitpicky, I know, but that implied it was a little broader than it really was.


According to SABCnews.com (April 12, 2003), "Iraqis protested in Baghdad today at the breakdown in law and order since US-led forces overthrew Saddam Hussein, and Iraqi policemen volunteered to help the occupying forces end looting and anarchy."

It is clear that not all Iraqis protested and not all Iraqi policemen volunteered that day.

Was it not clear that I did not refer to all Koreans?
I would be glad to be enlightened. No nitpicking implied, of course.

[BobbyC]

There's a big difference and you know it. Your statement made the Korean situation sound much broader than it was. It was clear you weren't talking about all Koreans, but not clear that it was just a small camera club, not a widespread consumer movement.

To make a comparison to Iraq such as you have is just looking for a reason to start an argument, and I'm not going to play that game with you, try someone else.