Digital Rebel in August 20th?

[Guillermo Freige]

Apparently Canon will announce something the 8/20.
Chances are the 1D succesor, or more likely, a new "under $1000" DSLR, dubbed the "Digital Rebel" or "Rebel-D" in different forums.

This is my educated guess for the new Rebel D (if exist).

To me, Canon will be announcing a beefed-up D-30 (3MP, plastic body, 3-point AF), upgraded with a larger buffer (a la D-60) and with DIGIC proccesor (like the 10D and the last line of Powershots).
Why? Because Canon already has the 3MP sensor design, the old plastic body and the procesor, and probably a 6MP Rebel could be too much like the 10D, hurting sales from that model. So, why not to reuse all the "oldies" and the new proc, to sell an under-1000 camera?

So, time will tell, but I want to share my thougths :)
What do you think???

[lightandlife]

Your conjecture is from the supply side. For Canon to succed in the market, they have to look at the problem from consumer's viewpoint.

I think Canon could target 3 groups. First, we need a digital equivalent of EOS3, say 3D, for less than $2000.

A full frame digital, a descendant of 1D, for around $2500.

A digital equivalent of Rebel for less than $1000.
Come September, we shall see what Canon had in mind.

[Belmondo]

Like most people, I'm waiting for the first reasonably affordable full-frame DSLR from Canon. Then I'll be rewarded for buying better glass that works all the way out to the edges.

$2K-$2.5K works for me.

[Guillermo Freige]

People, if you are waiting for a $2500 full-frame DSLR, choose a very comfy chair. The sensor is the most expensive part of the camera (and the AA filter probably is the second one), and a FF one is REALLY expensive and difficult to manufacture, and I think this fact will remains for at least a couple of years. I will be the first person to be happy if I'm wrong, and Canon announces a $3000 FF camera in a couple of months, but I doubt it :)


A digital EOS 3 (at 1.6x or hopefully at 1.3x) is a very
different thing. Probably Canon has something like this in the near future, but probably at current 1D price level ($3500-4000)

I don't know if the 1D replacement will be FF, but if it is, probably it will carry a similar price tag than the 1Ds ($8000 anyone?).

But the original idea of this thread were, what do you think of a sub-1000, 3MP, 3-point AF digital rebel?. To me it has a lot of sense.

[Belmondo]

I think a decision to go with anything less than 4mp would meet with a lot of consumer resistance. Even at 4mp, don't forget how unenthusiastic the receiption was for the G3. Regardless of features, most people looked at it as a warmed-over G2. It wasn't until the G5 came along (albeit for a bit more money) that people started to get very interested.

The fact is, most folks would probably be a little put off at the idea of a 3mp digital camera that cost more than some really good point-and-shoot cameras offering 5 megapixels. In truth, it would probably just sell a lot more 10D's---double the resolution and a much more capable AF systerm for only half again the price.

I don't think it works.

[lightandlife]

Why so pessimistic?

When the HDTV was first produced in Japan, it had a price tag of $20,000. Of course, not many bought it. Now its price has come down to $2-5,000, depending on the size.

It is not a question of whether price will come down. It is a question of when.

Between the prices of film and digital cameras, the digital factor has been 3 or more, but it should fall to 2 or less. That is, the price of a Rebel equivalent digital camera would eventually go down to $500. But I wouldn't wait for it this year. I would rather get 10D now.

[CyberDyneSystems]

It seems to me that Canon's release record for DSLRs would indicate the release of a High end pro model in Spetemebr,. to date the 1D and 1Ds were released in the fall,. and the D30, D60, and 10D were released in late winter early spring.

Look for your "Rebel D" in February/March

The newer, faster 1D in September.....

[Guillermo Freige]

Well, time will tell :)
In 2 days we all will know if the 8/20 date is a fake or not, and if not, the truth will be revealed (because the truth is out there) :)

[daveh]

lightandlife wrote:
Why so pessimistic?

When the HDTV was first produced in Japan, it had a price tag of $20,000. Of course, not many bought it. Now its price has come down to $2-5,000, depending on the size.

It is not a question of whether price will come down. It is a question of when.

When indeed. HDTV came out in Japan in 1985. 3 days from now might be a little optimistic but we'll see.

[martcol]

I don't ever want Canon to ever bring out another camera that gets close to my 10D. I like it the way it is and if they bring out something better I'll want to buy it and I know I can't!

Boy, what a sucker! Will I ever learn that no end of expensive kit can make up for mediocre photos?

[D60DIETER]

On my opinion, canon will go for the strategie they posted one year ago. This means to be the leading company in digital photogaphy concerning both - technology and market shares.

So there are just two possibilities that can lead to this point.

1.) A DSLR above the 1Ds (16 to 20 MP). Full Frame and Highspeed (8 to 10 pics per second).

2.) A lowprice DLSR - but with High Tec in it (maybe based on the EOS 300V). With 5 or 6 MP, Digic Processor and a price around 1000.- $.

There is no need for canon bringing something in the midrange. The 10D is good for another year or two.

Dieter

[photography By Evangelos]

I have a good idea that canon is working on a digital rebel and it will be under a grand how much under I am not sure but you will see it soon. It makes good sense to offer the consumer who will not buy a 10D a lower price camera and eat up the market like canon has been doing for the last few years in digital. The rebel is a very popular camera worldwide so it may have the same look and size and be the lowest digital SLR and it will fly off the shelves of the camera stores and canon knows it. At this point in the digital game the prices have fallen and will keep going lower. I expect to see a new 1D and an EOS 3 digital camera next. I also do not think the 1D prices will go higher or not by much.
I expect the EOS 3 digital will sell for $2,500 to $2,899.

[ShaneR]

Here's a good question - assuming you already own a 10D and a decent lens collection, how cheap would a D-Rebel heve to be for you to get one as a backup/spare? If it was 4-5 MP, 3 pt AF, I'd get one for around $600. There are times when I don't need the full 10D resolution and feature set and wish I had something that didn't weigh so much. Any more expensive, and the cost would outweigh the benefits.

[chris maddock]

It'd have to be "extremely" cheap - I kept my D30 for backup and second camera purposes ;-)

KRs
Chris

[Longwatcher]

I am guessing at one of two cameras for 20 August.

Guess 1 - 1D upgrade (3D)
8-9MP range
1.3x or FF
8fps, with 8-12 frame burst.
Other features similiar to 1D
Price: $3500 (similiar to Nikon's D2H)


Guess 2 - Digital Rebel (100D)
4-6MP range (using a CMOS sensor from their consumer line)
1.6x
3fps with 4-6 frame burst
Limited features compared to 10D
Price: $750 range

A cheap DSLR with a minimal consumer grade sensor, but with changeable lenses would attract a lot of people. Would have gotten me a year and half ago.
I am however, expecting the 1D upgrade as most likely.

Just my guesses.

[Guillermo Freige]

This post was extracted from DPReview forum

Here is what the summary of the info on the digital rebel, floating around Japanese/Korean DSLR sites.

1. Priced at 140,000YEN [$1179.00], it will be released as a kit including two lenses to cover from 18-200mm [29-320mm with the crop factor].

2. The lenses are exclusively designed for the rebel series and will not work with other EOS bodies. Think of Nikon DS series lens.

3. The body will be compatible with other EOS lenses. The mount has two dots, one white for the newer lens mount and one red for the EF mount.

4. Digital side comes from 10D, i.e. 6.3MP CMOS sensor with 1.6 Crop factor. Similar AF performance.

If doubful about these specs, please wait till Aug. 20.


I really don't like the lens issue. It will make sense for people without lenses, but not for a existing EOS owner, unless they also sell the body only. For a couple of hundreds more you can buy a 10D (and probably that was exactly the Canon idea for existing EOS owners)

[CyberDyneSystems]

ShaneR wrote:
Here's a good question - assuming you already own a 10D and a decent lens collection, how cheap would a D-Rebel heve to be for you to get one as a backup/spare? If it was 4-5 MP, 3 pt AF, I'd get one for around $600. There are times when I don't need the full 10D resolution and feature set and wish I had something that didn't weigh so much. Any more expensive, and the cost would outweigh the benefits.

I would easily grab one of it was in the $750.00 range!

I have thought about a used D30 once or twice when I see them on E-bay. Of course the money might be better spent on lenses,. but it would be nice to have a cheeper body both as back up and to tote around when I don't need the 10D.

For the wildlife expeditions,. it would be nice to have a shorter zoom on the second body,. while the 10D is attached to the 500mm

[flw88]

i thinks it will be 3d?? the price range is $2500


CyberDyneSystems wrote:
ShaneR wrote:
Here's a good question - assuming you already own a 10D and a decent lens collection, how cheap would a D-Rebel heve to be for you to get one as a backup/spare? If it was 4-5 MP, 3 pt AF, I'd get one for around $600. There are times when I don't need the full 10D resolution and feature set and wish I had something that didn't weigh so much. Any more expensive, and the cost would outweigh the benefits.

I would easily grab one of it was in the $750.00 range!

I have thought about a used D30 once or twice when I see them on E-bay. Of course the money might be better spent on lenses,. but it would be nice to have a cheeper body both as back up and to tote around when I don't need the 10D.

For the wildlife expeditions,. it would be nice to have a shorter zoom on the second body,. while the 10D is attached to the 500mm

[Guillermo Freige]

The Digital Rebel (EOS 300D in fact) is here!!!

[Belmondo]

No, the EOS300D isn't here. It's 'there,' wherever 'there' is.

[Guillermo Freige]

There is
http://web.canon.jp/Imaging/eosdigital/index.html

[Griffin]

Be prepared to be blown away... :D

[lightandlife]

Is 300D better than 10D then?
It appears to be more capable than 10D. What is the (list) price?

[jweekes]

Here's the details..

http://www.canon.co.jp/Imaging/eosdigital/index.html

[nsxpower]

Just how crippled is it? Crop factor?

[Guillermo Freige]

Is somewhat less capable (no custom functions, no ISO 3200 expansion, partial AE selection, auto AF mode selection in creative modes, 2.5fps/4 frames burst compared to 3fps/9 frames burst, plastic body), but imagewise it seems the same (same sensor, same processor).
And don't forget you will have body+lens for probably less than $1000

[jinushaun]

Guess it was the EOS Digital Rebel after all:

http://www.canoneos.com/digitalrebel/index.html