Canon 300D announced!!!!!!

[Guillermo Freige]

It was true!!!
Check the canon site!!

http://web.canon.jp/Imaging/eosdigital/index.html

[dmalek]

this url didnt work for me but the following one does :

http://www.canon.co.jp/Imaging/eosdigital/index.html

[Hatem Eldoronki]

I see no differences (except in design, and the EF-S lenses) to the 10D. Actually, it doesn't even have the ISO 3200H setting.
A cheaper 10D maybe?

[D60DIETER]

There are some differences,

- no custom Functions
- 2 pics /sec
- 4 pics in serial
- no magnesium frame

Dieter

[Littlebike]

No custom White balance

NO ISO 3200, as if 3200 is actually useful

Only 4 shot bursts

only 2.5 frames per second

Ergonomics look pitiful

does anybody have a price on it yet?

[J.A.F. Doorhof]

How about the story of the extensions tubes.
According to the press release there are extension tubes needed for the EF lenses (EF-S will fit without).

This will be again a problem for users of 3rd party lenses.

Greetings,
Frank

[D60DIETER]

In Germany they say on the official canon site, that the body will be 1099.- EUR.
That comes down to a street price of round about 999.- EUR.

Dieter

[Måns Kärnekull]

Littlebike wrote:
No custom White balance

does anybody have a price on it yet?

Price on a swedish online store is 8178 SEK ($ 983) for the body and 9067 SEK ($ 1090) with EF-S 18-55/3,5-5,6

EOS 10D is 14792 SEK ($ 1778), so it´s almost half the price

Måns

[acolville]

It looks like a cost reduced D10...

Of more interest might be the new EF-S lens 18-55mm F3.5-5.6 Which is claimed has been developed specificallyfor the 300D.

Does anyone know if the D10 has the same mirror configuration ie that moves the mirror up and away from the lens?

Alistair

[tony723]

Littlebike wrote:
No custom White balance

NO ISO 3200, as if 3200 is actually useful

Only 4 shot bursts

only 2.5 frames per second

Ergonomics look pitiful

does anybody have a price on it yet?
its list price is around 120000yen and street price may be as lower as 100000yen.

[CyberDyneSystems]

acolville wrote:


Of more interest might be the new EF-S lens 18-55mm F3.5-5.6 Which is claimed has been developed specificallyfor the 300D.

Alistair

You are absolutely correct. This bit of news is far more significant than the intro of the camera. Just months ago this forum was discussing the eventually of a move to smaller/lighter/less expensive glass specific to DSLR,s like the path that Olympus is taking. Although many disagreed that Canon would go down this path at all,. even I who saw the writing on the wall am shocked at how soon they have started to make inroads in this direction!!! :O I would not have expected such a thing for a few more years.

Canon is taking the bull by the horns with this one and although I am sure that many will see the DSLR only lens as a "cop out" by making a new backwards compatible mount/lens system Canon will be able to offer the best of both worlds.

[CyberDyneSystems]

I am however surprised that the body doesn't look more like the Rebel Ti? As there new darling 35mm SLR,. nI would have thought they would maintain that style...?

[Dans_D60]

Brilliant!

Take existing successful technology, target a new market segment - DSLR interchangeable lens sub $1000 – put the engineers to work on a cost reduction program using current components … and …. Success!! Not only will the 300D open a new and profitable market segment for Canon, it will also reduce cost of production for the 10D as many of the components are the same that results in economies of scale. Brilliant!

Dan
http://www.pettusphoto.com

[Orogeny]

Littlebike wrote:
No custom White balance

NO ISO 3200, as if 3200 is actually useful

Only 4 shot bursts

only 2.5 frames per second

Ergonomics look pitiful

does anybody have a price on it yet?

Actually, according to Canon, the 300D does have custom white balance.

[photography By Evangelos]

Well the new Digital canon Rebel or so it look's like the new film rebel film camera.

So lets do the film to digital conversion. Here we go.


Film canon rebel = the new 300D
Film EOS Elan 7 = the new 10D
Film EOS 1V = the new 1Ds
Film EOS 1VHS = the new 1D

So what is next? The Digital EOS 3 or it will be soon.

I so far do not think the 300D is in the same class that the 10D is in by far. So lest see what the price will be and when they will ship. I will not be getting one as I have 2 canon 10D cameras and one D60 also the silver is very ugly.

[Mark Goldstein]

Hi,

You can find all of the 300D news, press release, product shots and interview with the head of Canon Europe Marketing on my blog:

http://www.photographyblog.com

[CyberDyneSystems]

photography By Evangelos wrote:
Well the new Digital canon Rebel or so it look's like the new film rebel film camera.

So lets do the film to digital conversion. Here we go.


Film canon rebel = the new 300D
Film EOS Elan 7 = the new 10D
Film EOS 1V = the new 1Ds
Film EOS 1VHS = the new 1D




Actually Canon released a new film Camera as wel. The 300V which is nearly identical to the 300D

[acolville]

After looking at the press release I notice that the new lens will not be availiable on its own. I guess that this is due to compatibility, but I for one would be interested in a lens of this type to complement my 10D!

Until I get home I can't check the mirror operation between my 10D and 50E - But I suspect that they are the same which rules out this lens for 10D owners. Shame!

[Guillermo Freige]

People, is a digital REBEL, not a prosumer camera!!!
Of course the 10D is a better camera, but probably this baby will cost around $1000 WITH the 18-55 included in the bundle!!!
This is a direct competition to the 828 and E1, not the 10D or the pro market.

[jambo]

CyberDyneSystems wrote:

Actually Canon released a new film Camera as wel. The 300V which is nearly identical to the 300D


thats been out in europe for nearly a year.

[justme_dc]

I had hoped for a price break on the Canon 1D to compete with the new Nikon D2H (which is basically a copy of the 1D two years too late.) I am more than a little disappointed by the announcement of this "cheapo" Model. Oh well, I hope they sell a million of them and make the 1D/ 1Ds drop in price.

[PacAce]

jambo wrote:
CyberDyneSystems wrote:

Actually Canon released a new film Camera as wel. The 300V which is nearly identical to the 300D


thats been out in europe for nearly a year.

I guess that means that the 300D will not be called that here in the USA???

Hmmm, I just went on the Canon USA sight and it's called the Digital Rebel there.

[PacAce]

I just downloaded the Digital Rebel/300D manual and it's functions/capabilities are pretty much like the 10D (but a little "watered-down"). I'd say it'll probably make a good backup body for the 10D.

BTW, it doesn't seem like you will need an extention tube to use the EF lenses as was hinted above.

Darn! It even has a wireless remote controller (optional) which I miss on the 10D!!!!

[Guillermo Freige]

c'mon people, to have a $1000-1200 DSLR complete system is a huge thing!!
Is at least half the price of an 10D with the "affordable" EF 17-40 (the more similar lens to the new 18-55).
And to be honest, probably the 300D image quality will be as good as the 10D (same sensor, same processor).
So, no magnesium body. No AF mode selection in creative modes, only partial AE selection mode, and no custom functions. It bothers me? Yes, a little, but I will take better pictures with the 10D? I doubt it. And I don't have $2300 to spend in the body + lens (and my 28-135 is not enough wide for a DSLR), so to spend "only" a $1000 sounds like a bargain to me, and the 18-55 covers the wideangle gap left by the 28-135, so to me is a win-win situation.

[Guillermo Freige]

Ah, and some rumors says a 3D or somethig similar will be announced tomorrow, so stay tuned!!! :)

[Hatem Eldoronki]

I am tired of new products! No money can ever be enough to keep me digitally satisfied!

Honestly though, if I hadn't bought the 10D, I would have lusted after the 300D, or maybe even the Sony 828.

[PacAce]

Guillermo Freige wrote:
c'mon people, to have a $1000-1200 DSLR complete system is a huge thing!!
Is at least half the price of an 10D with the "affordable" EF 17-40 (the more similar lens to the new 18-55).
And to be honest, probably the 300D image quality will be as good as the 10D (same sensor, same processor).
So, no magnesium body. No AF mode selection in creative modes, only partial AE selection mode, and no custom functions. It bothers me? Yes, a little, but I will take better pictures with the 10D? I doubt it. And I don't have $2300 to spend in the body + lens (and my 28-135 is not enough wide for a DSLR), so to spend "only" a $1000 sounds like a bargain to me, and the 18-55 covers the wideangle gap left by the 28-135, so to me is a win-win situation.



I must definitely concur with you, especially if one doesn't have any DSLR yet. Look at the number of people who jumped on the EOS 10D bandwagon when it came out. It's not hard to image many more fold of people be getting on the Digital Rebel/300D bandwagon?

I just hope those people who bought the 10D and found it a little more than they could handle don't regret their purchase since it really is a better camera.

[tony723]

PacAce wrote:
I just downloaded the Digital Rebel/300D manual and it's functions/capabilities are pretty much like the 10D (but a little "watered-down"). I'd say it'll probably make a good backup body for the 10D.

BTW, it doesn't seem like you will need an extention tube to use the EF lenses as was hinted above.

Darn! It even has a wireless remote controller (optional) which I miss on the 10D!!!!


Where can I found the english manual?

Thanks!

[PacAce]

tony723 wrote:
Where can I found the english manual?

Thanks!

http://www.canoneos.com/digitalrebel/digital/index.html

Click on the link on the lefthand side
.

[CyberDyneSystems]

Oh yes,. an affordable Canon DSLR is a HUGE deal,. it is exactly why the 10D is a top sellar. If the 300d/rebel is priced competitively with the higher end Digicams such as Nikon 5700 or Minolta Dimage 7 Hi,. then it is a strong argument for people to go straight to DSLR.

But the big plus for Canon is the more SLR owners there are out there... the more lenses and accesories they can sell.

And FYI,. there is a far greater profit to be had on Glass and accesories then there is on the Bodies......

[oley]

According to the article at DPReview (http://www.dpreview.com/news/0308/03082005canoneos300d.asp)
announced price of 300D body is $900 in the US, €1,100 in Europe and 120,000 YEN (US$1,013 / €911) in Japan. Wow!

[martcol]

Errr, ahem...

I love my 10D! :)

I love the way it looks and feels, I reckon it produces fabulous photos....

I think I'm glad the 300D wasn't out first. Otherwise I'd have that then would definately want a 10D. Now, I can live without the 300D (I think!)

Still, it seems like a pretty astute move on Canon's part and they do seem to be leading the field in so many areas of digital.

Go Canon!

Martin

[Hatem Eldoronki]

martcol wrote:
Errr, ahem...

I love my 10D! :)

I think I'm glad the 300D wasn't out first. Otherwise I'd have that then would definately want a 10D. Now, I can live without the 300D (I think!)
Martin

Exactly how I feel!

[ShaneR]

Hopefully the 300D will prompt a push for more (and cheaper) kiosk machines for self serve printing. My local Walmart and Sam's don't offer this service (1hr only). The local photo shop has a self serve machine, but at 50 cents (4x6) and $1 (5x7).

[photography By Evangelos]

Guillermo Freige wrote:
Ah, and some rumors says a 3D or somethig similar will be announced tomorrow, so stay tuned!!! :)


WOW were did you get the info on the EOS 3 Digital camera. If so I can see selling off one of my 10D units. Thanks for the post.

[CyberDyneSystems]

Well I certianly won't trade my 10D for the Rebel

(unless they pry it from my cold dead hands!,.... No wait,. that's my .45 1911 Automatic...)

I too would have gone for the less expensive Rebel/300D if it was out at the same time. At $900.00 that is only one hundred more than I paid for a 2.1 megapixel Olympus C2100UZ. And that Camera was released at a price of $1,299.00 originally!!!!!!!!

But I am glad I was "Forced" to spend the $1,500.00

as my lens cllection grows I am glad that I have a well built camera to mount them on.

Also,.. this 6.1 Mega pixel SLR at $900.00 is going to have even a greater earth shaling effect on digital prices than the 10D had!!! :O

[photography By Evangelos]

WOW were did you get the info on the EOS 3 Digital camera? If this is true I will be selling off one of my 10D cameras. Lets hope so.

[CyberDyneSystems]

Photography By Evangelos wrote:
Guillermo Freige wrote:
Ah, and some rumors says a 3D or somethig similar will be announced tomorrow, so stay tuned!!! :)


WOW were did you get the info on the EOS 3 Digital camera. If so I can see selling off one of my 10D units. Thanks for the post.

I thought the "3D" was rolled into this Rebel D rumor?

Is there really another press release around the corner, or is the 3D a case of specualtion in relation to this announcement?

I for one was thinking that Fall was Canon's traditional "Pro DSLR Release date"

[PacAce]

Or maybe the double zeroes got dropped along the way through the grapevine??? :o)

[wrxxx]

Has anyone been able to figure out whether my D60's
Timer Remote Controller (TC-80N3) and my Extension Cord
(ET-1000N3) will work with the 300D?

[PacAce]

wrxxx wrote:
Has anyone been able to figure out whether my D60's
Timer Remote Controller (TC-80N3) and my Extension Cord
(ET-1000N3) will work with the 300D?

Don't think it will since it has it's own set of accessories with different stock numbers (remotes, battery grips, etc.) although a few others like the batteries are the same. If you want to see the whole list of accessories for it, take a look at the user manual for it.

One thing I did notice the Rebel Digital/300D has as an option which the 10D doesn't is a hard case and a wireless remote.

[Guillermo Freige]

The 3D rumor was the "second part" of the 300D rumor, and that part was correct, so probably the second one too, but the 3D or 1Dx part was less "confirmed", so probably is just a rumor. Someone said the second camera is a film one, and the film based EOS Rebel K2 was announced too, so probably there is no new digital body. Tomorrow all we will know :)

[Belmondo]

The Canon website has a PDF file of the 300D sales brochure. In that brochure, it shows the various peripherals and attachments that fit the 300D. I didn't study it closely, but I did recognize a lot of the items such as the EX flash attachments, etc..

[Guillermo Freige]

It is competitively priced. $899 body-only and $999 body+EF-S 18-55 lens!! And probably street prices will be lower (but not by much, I suspect).
Have your credit cards prepared, it will be available mid-september :)
I think this is an excellent Canon response to the Sony 828, and Minolta A1 threat (not to mention the new bunch of DSLRs from Pentax and Oly)

[lightandlife]

This bit of news is far more significant than the intro of the camera. Just months ago this forum was discussing the eventually of a move to smaller/lighter/less expensive glass specific to DSLR,s like the path that Olympus is taking. Although many disagreed that Canon would go down this path at all,. even I who saw the writing on the wall am shocked at how soon they have started to make inroads in this direction!!! :O I would not have expected such a thing for a few more years.

Canon is taking the bull by the horns with this one and although I am sure that many will see the DSLR only lens as a "cop out" by making a new backwards compatible mount/lens system Canon will be able to offer the best of both worlds.


A dealer said that 16-35mm L lens was specifically designed for DSLR.

Perhaps Canon is revamping its lenses, L or not, to capture the digital market. That is where future is.

[lightandlife]

I pushed a wrong button.

Well, given a choice between 10D and 300D, what would you recommend, if you have not bought 10D already? Or wait for 3D?

[CyberDyneSystems]

I'd look at both side by side in a store and decide what build level you want to pay for. That Rebel/300D is an awefull ot of camera for only $900.00,.. i could easily say that I would have gotten that instead of the 10D if they were released together....

... but I may have regreted taking the cheap way out if I had the chance to use the 10D,..

Hard to say with none of us actually having used the Rebel D? Who knows,. it may be amazing,. it may feel "cheap".... Time will tell.

[Guillermo Freige]

light:
It depends, as always :)
Due to the fact the 300D has probably the same image quality than the 10D (it uses same imager an processor), it depends of your cash availability (apparently not a problem if you are considering the 3D) and the use (or abuse) the camera will take.
For casual or low-budget users, the 300D seems to be the best bet, but for more serious users the 10D is a more solid camera. But it's too soon to take any desicion, because there is no 300D to be tested yet.
If you can, wait a couple of months. If not, buy the 10D :)

[Stan R]

Canon are saying that the 300D will do to digital photography what the AE-1 did to 35mm SLR photography back in 1976 when it was launched.

Speaking as a 25 year AE-1 owner, I think they might be right. Although I'll be sticking to my 10D :)

[jd_D60]

Don't forget Canon has 35mm camera in the £250 - >£1000 price range already, this is a great move by them to expand the digital arena with an entry level model.

Much like I did with the 35mm when I bought the EOS 650 then EOS 100 then EOS 5 then EOS 3 then EOS 1N I expect my D60 ie equiv to 100 and yes more will follow. The main difference is the digital market will move quicker.

[kush]

Quoted from http://www.robgalbraith.com/bins/content_page.asp?cid=7-6270-6325
(great write-up)

The Digital Rebel incorporates the same 7-point autofocus module as the 10D, and is promised to have the same overall autofocus performance too. There's one significant difference, however: the Digital Rebel doesn't allow for the selection of AF mode. While you can choose between manual focus and autofocus (by flipping the AF/M switch on any Canon EF lens), in the exposure modes of most use to serious shooters - Shutter Priority, Aperture Priority, Program and Manual - the Digital Rebel chooses between One Shot AF and AI Servo AF automatically on the fly, in a mode called AI Focus. If you'd prefer to choose one or the other yourself, then you'll need a different camera. The only way to lock down the focus mode is to choose one of the camera's Basic Zones: Portrait, Landscape, Close-up, Sports, Night Portrait or Flash Off. With the camera set to Sports, for example, the AF mode is fixed on AI Servo; in Portrait, it's One Shot. Unfortunately, the Basic Zone settings, which are geared for neophyte amateur shooters, impose other compromises, such as no control over the camera's image processing Parameter Sets. So, it's doubtful that they will be a usable AF mode selection workaround in most cases. If there is one key feature difference between the Digital Rebel and 10D that will see serious Canon shooters step up to the 10D, it's this one.

[BOBinsane]

Ehh I looked at that Rebel 300D, although it seems to be a solid competitor for it's price, it's design doesn't keep me locked in focus. It looks really ugly to me, I really dislike that silver body, so for now I'll live with my meager Powershot S30 and continue to save my money for something like a 10D which is a very sharp and sexy looking professional style camera. I'm sorry I must be some sort of fashion bug or something but if I wanted a rebel I'd rather just go to walmart and pick one up for 200 dollars rather than 900 because the 900 dollar one doesn't excite me.

[lightandlife]

I am not buying 300D for a different reason.

But I would buy it readily if Canon would make it uglier and cut the price by another $500. I am more concerned with the image quality than how others might view me when I carry it.

[nucki]

as found on http://www.geizhals.at (select the german flag in the left upper corner) the EOS10D is now available for 1438 euro. wich is not far away from the anounced 1100 euros for the EOS300D. ok, the lens is not included, but if you allready have canon or canon compatible lenses, its not that far away. thats just 300 euros more and I personaly think the EOS10D is qualitativly higher then the EOS300D.

But now I understand why canon build a new factory for image sensors in japan. (as read on dpreview.com)

regards
Peter

[Andy_T]

Peter,

I'm hoping for good offers for the 300D bundle on Geizhals.at or similar web sites that will certainly come up, as the 10D is available for the price you mentioned.

My wife wife would just straight out kill me if I buy a 10D plus lens after having the G2 plus a lot of accessories for half a year, so the price tag of the 300D set might be closer to the 'critical treshold' :)

Regards,
Andy

[nucki]

Andythaler wrote:
My wife wife would just straight out kill me if I buy a 10D plus lens after having the G2 plus a lot of accessories for half a year, so the price tag of the 300D set might be closer to the 'critical treshold' :)


ok, from that point of view, it would be better to wait! ;-)

[scooter]

Well i got my first SLR 2 weeks a go and it just happend to be a 10D and 24-85 usm glass, I am by no means a PRO but so far the camera has made me enough money to buy a 75-300 is usm lens. It goes to show just how good canon DSLR's are as i have never used a slr befor to making money with a great camera( it does all the work even in M mode i just push the buttons and look at the screen)

I knew that it would not be long and Canon would relise a new body thanks to all the ppl on this site and i am glad i didnt wait for the 300d as i would have missed out on 1500 pics or so and a bit of pocket money to put back into my new hobby. Now all i need it that shot that will get me all them White lens with red band's on them or another 6 mths of saving.

[LEC_D30]

Which camera is better for someone is a matter of needs.

Some people would definetely look at the 10D because it has some features that are very specific to their needs but that most of the people will not need in 90% of the cases. Other would like the 10D because of its magnesium body so it can be resistan enough to its life style or photography requirements.

Some other people (and I am trend to believe that the most), will look at the 300D because
a) Camera price is very competitive
b) A good lens is included
c) It has the ability to use the new family of EF-S lenses that will be creating a revolution in digital SLR photography.
d) The camera is smaller (easier to carry) and lighter. Yes, it does not have a magnesium body, but neither do the video cams and that does not mean that they are not durable. The camera durability should satisfy most of the regular consumer needs.
e) The camera will be as capable as the 10D of delivering excellent images (with a very few application exceptions).

I really like the 10D, but I recognize that this camera will be a boom for Digital SLR photography.


We'll see...

LEC_D30

[perfectpixel]

WOW!
look at all the buzz this camera has created after only one day post announcement.

One thought on the plus side for the 300D: not having the Mg body may result in less need for sensor cleaning? I read somewhere that they attributed all the dust collection on the sensor to the metal body.

Someone ought to make a chart with direct point-by-point comparision of the 300D to the 10D. I'm sure it will happen soon. I've been on the fence for getting a 10D and right now, not sure if the 300D is the one for me.

[rdenney]

Stan R wrote:
Canon are saying that the 300D will do to digital photography what the AE-1 did to 35mm SLR photography back in 1976 when it was launched.

Speaking as a 25 year AE-1 owner, I think they might be right. Although I'll be sticking to my 10D :)

Right.

Before the AE-1 came out, I owned an F-1. Would the AE-1 have met my needs? Probably. Did I regret owning the more expensive F-1? Not at all.

I've owned the 10D for a couple of months and have taken several thousand images with it. Is that the projected duty cycle for a Rebel-based camera? Probably not. But it might be just right for my Dad's Christmas list to upgrade his EOS 620.

There's more to a camera than the imaging technology. The more expensive cameras aren't just more expensive because of more features, but because of more rugged construction and a higher projected duty cycle.

Rick "who was never tempted to own a Rebel for film" Denney