Canon is Kicking Nikons BUTT

[CyberDyneSystems]

With the 10D I was allready amazed how far ahead Nikon had let Canon get,.. Not to mention comparing the 1Ds to the D1X,.. or the 1D to the D1H,.... (okay I did mention it!)

But now? And with another rumored pro level camera out there?

Nikon has a lot of catching up to do!

(this is not to say that the D2H isn't an awesome looking camera. But all I want from that is the Wireless server option!!!!!!!! Maybe Canon can build one into an alternaticve battery grip type thing?)

[Hatem Eldoronki]

I think that Canon wins this battle, and I am sure Nikon will win next, then Canon will win, then Kodak, etc.
Nobody wins a war. They all improve upon each other's improvements.

[CyberDyneSystems]

I would agree,. but this is an awefull long time for Canon to hold the lead. Since the intro of the 1D and D30 Canons offereings have been well ahead of Nikon's

By the time Nikon even released a camera in the D30s range,. Canon allready had it's second generation version (D60) The 1D has blown away the D1H for over two years now... and the 1Ds Vs. D1X is a joke.

My theory is this,.. Canon being involved in Computer electronics and peripherals gives the company a distict advatage.

Not untill the Computer industry boom has any market place and associted product range been forced to evolve so quickly. Never have products been relegated to obsolescence so fast. This is a market that Canon is allready comfortable with. With the move to Digital Cameras,. the industry is also moving into this fast paced,. one year obsolescence product market.

Nikon needs to learn this market FAST if it wants to compete on the consumer end.

[Hatem Eldoronki]

Your are absolutely right. I remember before getting the 10D I was lusting after the Nikon D100, and comparing it to the D30 then the D60. When the 10D came out, it was like the D100 was completely out of the picture. When I look back on this now, I feel that the D100 came out in like 1989 or something!
Unbelievable!
I don't think that the Canon 10D will age as fast as the Nikon or the D30 per se, unless Canon kills it by the introduction of the 300D. I understand that they are different cameras, but the pricing on the 300D just might kill future attention to the 10D.
I can't wait 'til November: I want to get the Sony DSC-F828 so bad. I think that it's the perfect companion to the my 10D for what I want to use it for...
I think that maybe Sony will be the leader in the future of photography: they got their hands into more stuff than Nikon & Canon combined.

[RichardtheSane]

I have to disagree with sony taking the lead. Yes, they have their mitts into lots of stuff, but at the end of the day it is the glass that makes a quality picture - and canon lenses are some of the best ones out there!
I think having a camera manufacturer that have branched out into other electronic businesses will do better than an electronics business that has branched out into photography :)

[Hatem Eldoronki]

Sony's glass is good too..they use Carl Zeiss for their high-end models, and I do believe that Carl Zeiss lens are among the best in the world.
But then I could be wrong.
Here is my bet: Canon will drive Nikon out of business (I'm a nut, and I'm standing my ground!). Sony is gonna snap up Nikon, and compete with Canon directly. Oh forget it, bad bet..I need some shut-eye.

[jjc26]

MCouper wrote:
Sony's glass is good too..they use Carl Zeiss for their high-end models, and I do believe that Carl Zeiss lens are among the best in the world.
But then I could be wrong.
Here is my bet: Canon will drive Nikon out of business (I'm a nut, and I'm standing my ground!). Sony is gonna snap up Nikon, and compete with Canon directly. Oh forget it, bad bet..I need some shut-eye.

Sony does use Zeiss optics and their cameras are quite nice. But like Sony audio and video components, they tend to be a little sterile. They get the job done and they look and sound good...just a little too good, too clean with little character.

Nikon's hold on the digicam marketplace is slipping with every Canon release. Canon just pulls further into the lead. Nikon would have to release their version of the Digital Rebel with a 28-80 lens for $1100 to capture the market. I think that's just too far a stretch for Nikon.

[Belmondo]

For my taste, Sony cameras have always seemed a little 'gimmicky.' They're always trying to change the ergonomics of basic picture-taking. For that matter, so has Nikon on occasion.

The other thing about Sony is their blatant attempts to keep everything 'in-house.' Case in point: memory sticks, the primary reason I've never owned a Sony camera.

Thos.

[Hatem Eldoronki]

belmondo, the new DSC-F828 will support type II CF + MS. The gimmicky part is the norm now!
The important thing to me is that the effect that I want to have in my shot will be there by the easiest means possible, without sacrifice. Gimmicks give me that.
Somebody had just started a thread about infrared photography with the 10D on this board, and it seems to me to be a pain in the neck to compose a shot with the IR filter off, then screwing it on to shoot. Sony gives the same effect with a push of a button. As a matter of fact, here is my first try with the Sony:

http://www.eldoronki.net/hatem/1st%20ir

This was taken in broad daylight, in the summertime, with the IR on. Note the colors of the bark were processed by PS, but are true to the original, and not false colors, but I wanted the leaves to have the fall season colors, and I got'em.

I'm by no means a pro, and am very willing to learn. Maybe even my IR shot doesn't qualify as an "IR piece of photography". But my point is, not all gimmicks are just a waste of your time.

As a matter of fact, if it wasn't for the 10D, I would have never bought a Canon digital camera. I bought an S50, and I wasn't thrilled at all with the picture quality. My friend has an S30, and it is even worse than the floppy disk Sony Camera. Sorry to say that, and I do not wish to start a flame, but it is my true personal experience that lead to this.
The 10D on the other hand, has a quality that no other manufacturer could match! (Currently, that is!)

[MichaelE]

That would be interesting... (If Sony bought Nikon)

I if Sony would ride on the Nikon Lens mount for new products... It would make sense... When ever I go day dreaming for lenses I find a ton of Nikon Lenses out there.

I like my 10D. As you can tell from my sig I've been shooting with digital for a long time. I stopped shooting with film when I got my first digital (Epson '91). I'm not a pro and really quite a poor photographer. The digital helped me to improve as I could screw up and not have to pay as much to find out that I screwed up. Also I've been using image editing tools since the old Atari ST days....

Now I actually have a nice Digital and my ability to shoot 'better' pictures is improving. Also I am pretty good with Photoshop so anything horrendous can be corrected or used for compositing stock.

I don't really like Sony's camera line. Ever since I bought a Mavica once (ONCE!!!) I never went back. Then when they started touting that damned memory stick when CF and Smart Media were already out pissed me off even more. And the Memory Stick really has no advantage that any other format has... Its definitely NOT like Betamax and VHS. Just like the new xD card format. I hope that dies a quick death and we can get back to improving CF Technology.

Even today, I know that the Cameras have improved but I still wouldn't buy one...

I think someone said it earlier... ."They'd have to pry my D10 out of my cold dead fingers..." (I don't have a gun ;-) )

[CyberDyneSystems]

MichaelE wrote:


I think someone said it earlier... ."They'd have to pry my D10 out of my cold dead fingers..." (I don't have a gun ;-) )

lol :D

Sony has allways had ONE good camera since that first twisty body Carl Zeis was introduced. The rest were junk! I mean the cd recorder wones that were the size of a Sixpack of beer for christ's sake!

Personally,.. I do not see Sony ever even delving into the professional Photography market. Sony is a consumer oriented company in nearly all there equipment. Sure they have some Audio gear they call "pro",.. but most of us have other Ideas in that crowded market. (there monitors are still the best though! )

...of course if for some reason they did do a take over of Nikon,.. al that would change!

[Belmondo]

Attention: Like a lot of people, I came to the 10D via the G1, G2, and/or G3. Had you done the same thing, you would have had a decidedly better 'Canon experience.' In fact, my trusty old G2 still is a trusted backup in those moments when time doesn't allow all the fiddling that an SLR requires. The S-30, and even the S-50 are not nearly as capable nor are they as feature-rich.

If Sony is now making their cameras compatible with other types of memory media, it's because they recognize the resistance of the buying public to their proprietery solution (i.e. memory stick). I think we all understand it was not as the result of a new spirit of cooperation at the corporate level.

[CyberDyneSystems]

Olympus and Fuji have allways understood the need to include Compact Flash in there hi end digitals as well,.. it is about time Sony did it.

However,.. I am absolutely ripped that Oly and Fuji, after witnessing the death of there beloved Smart Media, still won't budge and instead adopted yet another stupid card!!!!!! :( :(

[clos]

It's all about the lens not the body.

It seems to me that Canon has done us a favor by putting together a series of Digital SLR cameras (Digital Rebel, 10D, D1) that allow us to focus on what is truly important (as far as hardware goes), the lens...regardless of our photography aspirations or intentions.

I do not claim to be a photography expert but what I have heard over and over again is... if you know what you are doing then the body matters less then the lens quality. After all that is what you are seeing with.

Digital photographic quality compared to 35mm film has been nearly achieved. Everything will eventually stabalize in the digital body arena and it will come back to what really matters (as far as hardaware goes), the lens.

The future SLR market will then resemble the pre-digital SLR market. Those with significant investments with a particular lens manufacturer will stay loyal. Those without a significant lens investment is who everyone is fighting for.

So...Nikon will eventually (soon) catch up and it will be business as usual...until the next technology breakthrough...I guess biotechnology.

We are truly living in remarkable times. We will die in unbelievable times.

-Clos