NEW 5D RUMOUR !!

[mattograph]

Yes. If you had read all 110 pages of this thread, you would know that by now!!!!!


geez...... :)

[lowcrust]

=) It really is one behemoth of a thread isn't it? Just imagine as it comes closer to launch...

Oh yeah, photokina is September 23-29. The announcement will probably come the day before the event.

[mattograph]

=) It really is one behemoth of a thread isn't it? Just imagine as it comes closer to launch...

Oh yeah, photokina is September 23-29. The announcement will probably come the day before the event.

Yes, it is. What have you done to us, Simon!:)

[I Simonius]

Sorry.

The new Rebel XSi aka 450 uses an SD card only. No cf card.

erm.. this is the 5Dmk2 rumour thread;)

[mattograph]

erm.. this is the 5Dmk2 rumour thread;)

Allow me to connect the dots.

Canon has decided to take their newest DSLR release and make it SD card only.

I hope they don't make it a habit, and do it to the 5Dmk2.

or

"My canon rep told me that the 5DmkII is going to use SD card only".

Am I making sense? Should I take my meds?

[I Simonius]

Allow me to connect the dots.

Am I making sense? Should I take my meds?

NO take mine they're better..:lol:

but yes you are making sense now those little dots have merged into on line.. that really will not do --SD cards are a stoopid size & flaming fiddly!:evil:

[mattograph]

NO take mine they're better..:lol:

but yes you are making sense now those little dots have merged into on line.. that really will not do --SD cards are a stoopid size & flaming fiddly!:evil:

Yes, and since I own almost 40gb worth of CF storage, I would find the new cards to be a major annoyance.

*swallows Simon's meds*

Ah, much better. The lights...... they so pretty..........

[I Simonius]

Yes, and since I own almost 40gb worth of CF storage, I would find the new cards to be a major annoyance.

*swallows Simon's meds*

Ah, much better. The lights...... they so pretty..........

mar out fan!:lol:

Canon can convert their 5Dmk2 into a proctoscope AFAIC if they make it SD only!:evil:

[mattograph]

mar out fan!:lol:

Canon can convert their 5Dmk2 into a proctoscope AFAIC if they make it SD only!:evil:

Dude, you just harshed my buzz.....

Did you mean what I think you meant????!!!!!!

[I Simonius]

Dude, you just harshed my buzz.....

Did you mean what I think you meant????!!!!!!

doesn't sound like it:eek:

it was simply a *mispronounced* (due to medication;)) 'Far out Man!"

[mattograph]

doesn't sound like it:eek:

it was simply a *mispronounced* (due to medication;)) 'Far out Man!"

No the 2nd part -- does that mean "butt cam?"

[I Simonius]

No the 2nd part -- does that mean "butt cam?"

oh!..er..yup..:oops::o
:lol:

[Primm]

Does anyone but me find it amusing that this is still a hot topic of conversation, when the original thread was started in April, 2006?

BTW, I'm hanging out for the release of the 5DII as well. But for different reasons - I'm going to buy a runout 5D when everyone else is upgrading.

The release of a new body isn't going to make the old one any worse.

[I Simonius]

Does anyone but me find it amusing that this is still a hot topic of conversation, when the original thread was started in April, 2006?


No,you are entirely alone in your derision - any inclination that the edges of our mouths may be inclining upwards will be taken as a sign of weakness, and members so submitting to such laxity and frivolity will be perfunctorily expelled from the club.

Whilst the scrutiny that this question has been subjected to may be protracted, it is nonetheless done with the utmost rigour, attention to detail, and unflinching dedication to preempting what we are confident will, when it comes , be little more than a small measure of the enormity of our predictions.:p

It is our duty to remain stiff lipped, dour and in it for the long haul:p Nay we waver not, nor flinch a jot in our utter and serious dedication to the task before us.:p




Huzzah!:mad:


:lol::lol::lol:

[JC4]

Aren't we do for a New New Rumor? From an 'inside' or 'credible' source or 'Canon rep', with specs as well as an announcement and release date. These aimless rumors and speculation just aren't the same. I need to focus on a hard date.

[mattograph]

September 19. The Friday before Photokina.

Put it in the bank.

[I Simonius]

I need to focus on a hard date.

would a *hard date* stone (pip) do?

[I Simonius]

September 19. The Friday before Photokina.

Put it in the bank.

yeah I'll go with that - it's pretty much what I have said for a long a longa time;)

[limpid]

I'm used to having my dates soft and juicy, if I found a hard one, I bet it would have been a really old one, and I would therefore not eat it. But, as simon said, the pip, the seed or the stone is quite hard, I expect you could easily break a tooth on one. Does this help?

[YosemiteJunkie]

Don't know if anyone has seen this or not but I just found it on another site. You can draw your own conclusions :)

Canon 5D Mark II Rumored Specs and Details (http://gizmodo.com/367086/canon-5d-mark-ii-rumored-specs-and-details)

http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/4/2007/07/eosbig.jpg

The calendar tells us that the 5D, Canon's second best DSLR range, is due for a refresh (http://gizmodo.com/350942/a-word-about-the-canon-eos-5d-successor). It comes from a message board, so take this with a grain of salt, but someone on DP Review forums (http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1032&message=27125455&changemode=1) has posted specs for a second generation 5D with the following changes: A modest 15.3MP up from 12.8MP, and a massive 2 stop bump in light sensitivity to 25600 ISO.
The cam will supposedly shoot at 6fps instead of 3, and will have dual Digic III processors instead of a single Digic II cpu. The AF system will use 29 points instead of 9, and it'll have the same weather sealing as the topline 1Ds Mark III, as well as live view. The announcement is supposed to come on April 22nd, at $3500. That's a lot of stat smather, but the bottom line is that Nikon's D300 better watch its ass. [DP Review (http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1032&message=27125455&changemode=1) via Photography Bay, thanks Eric]The new 5D II will not be released at Photokina, but instead will be a surprise announcement on April 22, according to a source I am unwilling to disclose. The specs of the new camera are as follows (final name unavailable): - 15.3 MP full frame CMOS sensor (vastly improved light-gathering capacity per pixel: improved micro lenses; miniaturized micro circuitry; enhanced signal/noise ratio)
- Weather sealing same as 1Ds Mark III
- Dual Digic III with all-new "CXR" NR system reported to best 3rd party NR software. Available as a C.F with 4 levels of customizable parameters.
14 bit A/D conversion
- ISO 12800 (C.F. up to 25600)
- Reported 1 2/3 stop sensitivity improvement
- All-new 29-point TTL CMOS sensor
with 12 cross-type for F/2.8 or faster lens
(35% faster than 40D)
- Micro lens fine adjustment for up to 14 lenses
- 300,000 exposure shutter durability
- 6.0 / 3.0 fps
- 3.0" LCD
922,000 pixels
- EOS Integrated Cleaning System
- Live View (improved from 450D; latest generation)
- 6/3 fps continuous shooting for up to 68 frames
- MSRP $3499, available June 2

The CMOS in the new camera will be an entirely new generation, not based on the current flagship or the current camera it is replacing. The reason Canon can do this without cutting into the 1D series is because the new flagship will best the 5D in 3 key areas: frame rate, buffer, and AF. Canon recognizes these are extremely important to sports photographers. No one shooting pro sports goes backwards to save a few thousand dollars on a body. Canon knows this and understands it isn't competing against itself - even if amateurs on forums such as this (who wont buy the pro-series cam) do. The CXR NR system will detail retention at 12800 similar to 3200 on current model, though a 1 2/3 stop improvement is the conservative, stated estimate. Canon hopes to create a "wow" factor with a conservative estimate that surpasses itself in studio/ pro review tests, because they know at this level, you'll be looking there. The philosophy here is that it will create such a "buzz," many who would not consider this camera will consider it. Calling a 2-stop advantage a 2-stop advantage would simply be meeting expectations. FPS will also slightly exceed 6 (and 3), as stated. Canon received negative feedback for the 6.5 FPS quoted in the 40D and learned from their mistake here. (Expect Nikon to underpromise at D3 and above cameras in the future. This is common when technology advancements under perform "consumer pull")
The weather sealing will, in fact, be the same as the current flagship. This is in direct response to Nikon and Pentax. Expect full weather sealing to be a feature in all but low-end (Rebel) bodies in the next cycle. You can thank Pentax for this.
Battery life will only be improved by just under 10% due to the extra processing required.
The market segment is not in direct competition with the D300. Just as the 5D created a new class of camera 3 years ago, the new 5D will create a similar new niche above the D300, but below the current Canon flagship. It will remain the affordable, full-frame niche that Nikon chose not to produce. The new Canon flagship, this Fall, will have a "1.5:1 price/performance advantage to the Nikon flagship." (Read carefully: this statement refers to the coming Canon flagship, not the 5D II being discussed here)

[yonni]

^^^^I think everyone's seen it:):)

[YosemiteJunkie]

^^^^I think everyone's seen it:):)
Well I apologize for the duplicate then. I didn't remember seeing it here. Moderator can trash it if they deem to.
Thanks

[CoolToolGuy]

Well I apologize for the duplicate then. I didn't remember seeing it here. Moderator can trash it if they deem to.
Thanks

At 1672 posts (in this thread), it might be okay to repeat it once every 1500 or so. . . :lol:

But then, I'm not a Mod, so what do I know? :o

Have Fun,

[AdamJL]

Yeah that's been posted a gazillion times. It even says April 22 on it!! ;)

[I Simonius]

DThe new 5D II will not be released at Photokina, but instead will be a surprise announcement on April 22, according to a source I am unwilling to disclose.

Which year - did it say?:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

[YosemiteJunkie]

Which year - did it say?:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
Nope. Fraid not. At least as far as I noticed.
Man, if only there was a way of knowing which rumor to believe:rolleyes:

[Randy1213]

September 19. The Friday before Photokina.

Put it in the bank.

I think I made that deposit last September!

Must. . . resist . . . urge . . . to sell . . . wife's car . . . and buy . . . 1Ds . . . MkIII . . .

[mattograph]

Canon announces new lcos lcd displays......

Could this tech be used to improve 5D display?

http://www.usa.canon.com/templatedata/pressrelease/20080520_lcos.html

[TheHoff]

^^ Interesting how that press release talks only about LCD projectors, not cameras, though it sounds like an application that could be used on an upcoming body.

However I think it has been determined that the LCD isn't so amazingly bad, it is actually the fault of the small JPG used as a preview that is at fault. (This was on the 1 series, I assume it holds true for us as well.)

[John_TX]

^^ Interesting how that press release talks only about LCD projectors, not cameras, though it sounds like an application that could be used on an upcoming body.

Not as likely since the technology used in projector-type LCD's is much more expensive than simple direct-view LCD's, as found on various consumer electronics. Besides being essentially two very different implementations of LED technology, projector LCD's can cost hundreds of dollars, whereas the 3" LCD found on all current EOS cameras are less than $40/ea. in quantity.

However, R&D dollars spend on enhancing projector LCD's will have a direct effect on direct-view LCD's as well. Hopefully this will lead to even higher resolution displays for things like DSLR's and allow higher manufacturing yields, which equates to lower costs.

[Jim G]

However I think it has been determined that the LCD isn't so amazingly bad, it is actually the fault of the small JPG used as a preview that is at fault. (This was on the 1 series, I assume it holds true for us as well.)

It's easy to see a difference on my 20D - take the same shot in RAW and then JPG and zoom in on each on the preview screen. One of them you can get heaps of detail on and the other one is blurry as and useless for determining sharpness with :p

[John_TX]

It's easy to see a difference on my 20D - take the same shot in RAW and then JPG and zoom in on each on the preview screen. One of them you can get heaps of detail on and the other one is blurry as and useless for determining sharpness with :p

Sounds like Canon could go pretty far in cleaning up the "LCD Problem" by simply producing a better quality JPEG the LCD uses for preview! While this might affect the FPS rating since the processor would be required to render a larger/more detailed image, maybe it's a feature they could add in the firmware.
I'm sure as long as people knew it would drop you down to ~3-4 FPS on the 40D and you could turn the feature on & off via menu functions, the better quality preview would be a welcome edition.

[TheHoff]

It's easy to see a difference on my 20D - take the same shot in RAW and then JPG and zoom in on each on the preview screen. One of them you can get heaps of detail on and the other one is blurry as and useless for determining sharpness with :p

Really? I thought that even if you shoot RAW, it is showing you the same preview JPG on the screen that is processed with picture styles. You're saying it is showing a different file on the screen if you shoot RAW v. shoot JPG?

[gary88]

RAW still creates a small JPEG for review on the LCD based off whatever picture style is selected at the time as far as I know.

[Jim G]

Really? I thought that even if you shoot RAW, it is showing you the same preview JPG on the screen that is processed with picture styles. You're saying it is showing a different file on the screen if you shoot RAW v. shoot JPG?

The JPG embedded in the RAW image which you see when you view the RAW image on your LCD or on your computer is only something like 1,000 pixels long - I don't know the exact figure but try it out - shoot the same shot RAW and JPG, pull both up on whichever screen, zoom in and see how fast the quality deteriorates.

I don't know about picture styles as my camera predates those ;)

[Jim G]

Sounds like Canon could go pretty far in cleaning up the "LCD Problem" by simply producing a better quality JPEG the LCD uses for preview! While this might affect the FPS rating since the processor would be required to render a larger/more detailed image, maybe it's a feature they could add in the firmware.
I'm sure as long as people knew it would drop you down to ~3-4 FPS on the 40D and you could turn the feature on & off via menu functions, the better quality preview would be a welcome edition.

Don't know about the FPS but one thing it would affect would be a slight increase in RAW file size as you end up with a larger embedded image. Heck, I'd be all for slightly larger RAW files if you got a much more usable image on the LCD.

[DozerLYP]

is it out yet?

[Red Dot]

is it out yet?
almost.....:(

[AdamJL]

In French, but:

http://www.virusphotolive.com/buzz/canon-nous-reserve-des-surprises/

Is something on the horizon?

[Colorblinded]

OK guys, June 10 is our new date, everyone start anticipatin'!

[DozerLYP]

this is it guys. it says:

"we are inviting you at this moment of escape to discover the 2 Canon stars of the summer"

http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n56/dozerlyp/canon.jpg

[TheHoff]

New leaked photo!!

from this French rumour thread (translation here) --

http://babelfish.yahoo.com/translate_url?doit=done&tt=url&intl=1&fr=bf-home&trurl=http%3A%2F%2Fphotography-on-the.net%2Fforum%2Fshowthread.php%3Ft%3D157341&lp=en_fr&btnTrUrl=Translate








http://i25.tinypic.com/1zvveva.jpg

[DozerLYP]

le Canon..LOL

[Yohan Pamudji]

Why is "Save The Date" in English? ??? Shouldn't that be "Save Le Date"?

[mattograph]

Actually, "save la date".

[Yohan Pamudji]

Actually, "save la date".

:lol: Thanks for my French lesson!

[DozerLYP]

actually it's "sauve la date"

[CoolToolGuy]

actually it's "sauve la date"

So what's the big deal? The date is saved in the EXIF, regardless of the language. :oops::lol::lol::lol:

Have Fun,

[Yohan Pamudji]

actually it's "sauve la date"

Not if you're trying to crack a joke like I was (and apparently failed miserably :oops:).

[I Simonius]

Zut Alors!

there is also the suggestion from one of the replies to that post that there was a not entirely disimmilar rumour in a mag in Bankok

The mk2 mock up is very funny though! I just love the "le Canon' - I want one of those!:lol:

[vpnd]

I have a 5D mk2

[Belmondo]

I don't have time to read this whole thread, and I haven't stayed current, but saw this elsewhere. If it's been posted before my apologies.


http://www.amazon.com/Canon-Mark-Digital-Field-Guide/dp/0470409509/

[Pinto]

I don't have time to read this whole thread, and I haven't stayed current, but saw this elsewhere. If it's been posted before my apologies.


http://www.amazon.com/Canon-Mark-Digital-Field-Guide/dp/0470409509/

Wow! Thanks Tom! I guess all we have to do now is call Charlotte Lowrie for the lowdown.

[jjackflash]

look here:
http://www.bobatkins.com/photography/digital/rumors.html

[AdamJL]

She already did reply. It's a mistake:

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1032&message=28050191

And so did the "publisher" (read what you will about him being a publisher with his first post there - could be a prank?)

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1032&message=28059841

[Pinto]

She already did reply. It's a mistake:

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1032&message=28050191

And so did the "publisher" (read what you will about him being a publisher with his first post there - could be a prank?)

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1032&message=28059841

"Sigh"

[davidinjp]

To add more baseless speculative ramble, June 10th is one of two primary bonus paycheck dates in Japan. Many Japanese employees get around 40% of their salaries on these bonus dates and companies like to launch new products and campaigns around those dates. So June 10th in itself has meaning for a Japanese company to announce a new highly anticipated product in Japan. Order now, delivered in August.

Canon has taken a beating by Nikon in Japan this year, so it is not out of the question that they want to kick off the new 5D (and the 1000D) with a bang on their home turf early. At Photokina something bigger like a MK IIIn should be announced. I don't think a 1000d and new 5D would be all that impressive next to the Nikon D3x announcements at photokina.

[AdamJL]

^Agreed with that.
A SERIOUS 5D II (not the incremental crap they gave to the 40D - still a good camera, but they could've done more) and a DIIIN would put something back into Canon's shoes.

[Colorblinded]

I'd not heard of that bonus paycheck thing in Japan. That is interesting.

I still think a 1000D launch over the summer to take advantage of the Olympics for advertising would be very likely.

[MrChad]

I'd not heard of that bonus paycheck thing in Japan. That is interesting.

I still think a 1000D launch over the summer to take advantage of the Olympics for advertising would be very likely.

I agree Canon will not launch a new 5D with the rebate program still going for the current model.

[mattograph]

I agree Canon will not launch a new 5D with the rebate program still going for the current model.

What if they launch it in Asia in July, and not here until november?????

[John_TX]

What if they launch it in Asia in July, and not here until november?????

It could happen. The XSi was available in Asia at least 6+ weeks before they started to trickle into the US. Even then, it was another couple of weeks before most places had them on the shelves.

[MrChad]

What if they launch it in Asia in July, and not here until november?????

Because clearly word wouldn't spread to the US spoiling sales at all, news like this never hits the internet...

[davidinjp]

What if they launch it in Asia in July, and not here until november?????

I hope so ;-).

Don't worry, I'd post samples for you to evaluate...

[mattograph]

Because clearly word wouldn't spread to the US spoiling sales at all, news like this never hits the internet...

Oh no..... Its already on Sale in Japan, isn't it?!?!?!?!?

[CoolToolGuy]

Oh no..... Its already on Sale in Japan, isn't it?!?!?!?!?

No, in China! Why do you think they are trying to control Internet traffic - to placate Canon! They will have special 5D MK2 kits available for sale only at the Olympics. . . :D

Have Fun,

[mattograph]

Plane Fare to Olympics $2000
Tickets to events $ 700
Holding a 5D MK II in my paws priceless.

[Sprout Crumble]

I agree Canon will not launch a new 5D with the rebate program still going for the current model.

Not so. Here in the UK a rebate scheme was just updated with a little highlight to say the rebate now applies to the new model (think it was 350d to 400d). A rebate scheme is a miniscule thing in comparison to other market forces that would influence a new model release.

FWIW, I think early June will see the announcement of a revised 1D. Its too soon for a 1D4 at Photokina and its not in Canons interest to go head-to-head against new FF Nikons and Sonys with a lightly revised 1.3x model. A 1000D at Photokina for the holiday market would be my bet. The 5D2 release could go either way but I'd wager on Canon getting desperate to get a new 5D out of the door asap. While all the Canon models are great, on paper its looking a little creaky. The 450D is very solid, the 40D superb but missing some highlight features, the 5D is relatively prehistoric, the 1D3 tarnished and the 1Ds3 is ridiculously priced (I mean SERIOUSLY ridiculously priced..). The lack of a D300 rival is also detrimental.

Canon need to get momentum back on their side or the greed of the last few years is going to bite them in the butt. The good news is, we should all be winners.

[MrChad]

Not so. Here in the UK a rebate scheme was just updated with a little highlight to say the rebate now applies to the new model (think it was 350d to 400d). A rebate scheme is a miniscule thing in comparison to other market forces that would influence a new model release.

... the 5D is relatively prehistoric, the 1D3 tarnished and the 1Ds3 is ridiculously priced (I mean SERIOUSLY ridiculously priced..). The lack of a D300 rival is also detrimental.

Canon need to get momentum back on their side or the greed of the last few years is going to bite them in the butt. The good news is, we should all be winners.

Add up the price of a D3, 14-24; 24-70; and 70-200VR & then add up the same lenses for the 1Ds mk3 kit. or close enough. 16-35mm; 24-70mm; 70-200IS. Include a flash for both and You are only paying about $2000 more for a 1Ds system over all....

..not bad for a 22mp canon. Also I'm using US prices maybe the two kits don't work out the same in else where in the world?

[Sprout Crumble]

You can buy a D3 body for £2800. A 1Ds3 body is £4800. A 14-24/2.8 is £1040 and the 24-70/2.8 is £995.

Basically, a D3 and two superb quality lenses for the price of a 1Ds3 body. The kick in the teeth is that the 70-200 VR and the SB-800 flash are also both cheaper than the Canon versions.

Canon have seriously misjudged the market with the 1Ds3. Its made to look even worse by the functionally identical (actually superior) 1D3 which can be had for £2350. Canon are saying that a 21mp sensor costs as much as an entire 1D3 (including its sensor). Absolutely bloody ridiculous. A £2000 Sony FF 25mp camera (however inferior) is just going to make the 1Ds3 look a market anachronism. A FF 1D3 (12-14mp) will be the final death knell.
Its a fine camera, no question, but Canons legendary arrogance has bitten off more than it can chew this time.

[CoolToolGuy]

You can buy a D3 body for £2800. A 1Ds3 body is £4800. A 14-24/2.8 is £1040 and the 24-70/2.8 is £995.

Basically, a D3 and two superb quality lenses for the price of a 1Ds3 body. The kick in the teeth is that the 70-200 VR and the SB-800 flash are also both cheaper than the Canon versions.


Have you read the DPREVIEW review of the Ni*on 70-200? According to them, it is sharp and fine on (basically) a D300, but it can turn a D3 into a $100 P&S. . . ;)

http://www.dpreview.com/lensreviews/nikon_70-200_2p8_vr_n15/

Now in the flash department, you might have an argument - although I don't have any personal experience with the Ni*on flashes.

My 2 cents.

Have Fun,

[surfjungle]

You can buy a D3 body for £2800. A 1Ds3 body is £4800. A 14-24/2.8 is £1040 and the 24-70/2.8 is £995.

Basically, a D3 and two superb quality lenses for the price of a 1Ds3 body. The kick in the teeth is that the 70-200 VR and the SB-800 flash are also both cheaper than the Canon versions.

Canon have seriously misjudged the market with the 1Ds3. Its made to look even worse by the functionally identical (actually superior) 1D3 which can be had for £2350. Canon are saying that a 21mp sensor costs as much as an entire 1D3 (including its sensor). Absolutely bloody ridiculous. A £2000 Sony FF 25mp camera (however inferior) is just going to make the 1Ds3 look a market anachronism. A FF 1D3 (12-14mp) will be the final death knell.
Its a fine camera, no question, but Canons legendary arrogance has bitten off more than it can chew this time.

Some good points. I hope you're right.

[Colorblinded]

Has the Sony 25mp camera actually had any prices announced? As far as I understood nobody knows yet, so to presume it even costs less than the D3 would be foolish if that were the case.

[davidinjp]

Has the Sony 25mp camera actually had any prices announced? As far as I understood nobody knows yet, so to presume it even costs less than the D3 would be foolish if that were the case.

The actual price is not announced, but I have read on Japanese sites that Sony wants to directly undercut Nikon and Canon to get market share. The expected price for the Pro 24 mp FF Sony that rivals 1D series build and features is $3,000 or $3,500 range. The prosumer version should cost less than a 5D.

You can soon say so long to the EOS 1Ds Mark III price point! Competition is wonderful! :lol:

[Yohan Pamudji]

The actual price is not announced, but I have read on Japanese sites that Sony wants to directly undercut Nikon and Canon to get market share. The expected price for the Pro 24 mp FF Sony that rivals 1D series build and features is $3,000 or $3,500 range. The prosumer version should cost less than a 5D.

You can soon say so long to the EOS 1Ds Mark III price point! Competition is wonderful! :lol:

Prosumer 24MP FF at less than 5D prices? Does it come with a unicorn and a magic dragon as well? :lol:

[davidinjp]

Prosumer 24MP FF at less than 5D prices? Does it come with a unicorn and a magic dragon as well? :lol:

I don't think technological innovation helps with with the cost of unicorns and dragons, but I do think there are many examples with megapixels, megabytes, megabits, and megahertz. :D

[Colorblinded]

Yeah, I'll believe that price when I see it. Also, the sensor has to prove itself before it matters.

Not that anyone I know has any desire to use that system. I'm quite fed up personally with Sony as a company, but if they can start a price war then that's never a bad thing.

[AdamJL]

You can buy a D3 body for £2800. A 1Ds3 body is £4800. A 14-24/2.8 is £1040 and the 24-70/2.8 is £995.

Basically, a D3 and two superb quality lenses for the price of a 1Ds3 body. The kick in the teeth is that the 70-200 VR and the SB-800 flash are also both cheaper than the Canon versions.

Canon have seriously misjudged the market with the 1Ds3. Its made to look even worse by the functionally identical (actually superior) 1D3 which can be had for £2350. Canon are saying that a 21mp sensor costs as much as an entire 1D3 (including its sensor). Absolutely bloody ridiculous. A £2000 Sony FF 25mp camera (however inferior) is just going to make the 1Ds3 look a market anachronism. A FF 1D3 (12-14mp) will be the final death knell.
Its a fine camera, no question, but Canons legendary arrogance has bitten off more than it can chew this time.

Probably the best post I've read in a LONG time. The Ds series has always been completely overpriced, but no one has been able to challenge it, so Canon could charge what they wanted.

[gooble]

You can buy a D3 body for £2800. A 1Ds3 body is £4800. A 14-24/2.8 is £1040 and the 24-70/2.8 is £995.

Basically, a D3 and two superb quality lenses for the price of a 1Ds3 body. The kick in the teeth is that the 70-200 VR and the SB-800 flash are also both cheaper than the Canon versions.

Canon have seriously misjudged the market with the 1Ds3. Its made to look even worse by the functionally identical (actually superior) 1D3 which can be had for £2350. Canon are saying that a 21mp sensor costs as much as an entire 1D3 (including its sensor). Absolutely bloody ridiculous. A £2000 Sony FF 25mp camera (however inferior) is just going to make the 1Ds3 look a market anachronism. A FF 1D3 (12-14mp) will be the final death knell.
Its a fine camera, no question, but Canons legendary arrogance has bitten off more than it can chew this time.

Probably the best post I've read in a LONG time. The Ds series has always been completely overpriced, but no one has been able to challenge it, so Canon could charge what they wanted.

Like he said there IS no direct competition for the 1Ds III so they can charge what they do.

Just because there is a supposed Sony coming out with 25MP doesn't mean it well come close to measuring up to the 1Ds III. So it doesn't matter what it costs. Plus You don't just buy a system for the camera, you buy it for the lenses.

As for a FF 1D III being the death knell of the 1Ds III, that makes no sense. The 1D series is likely to stay a 1.3 crop and by the time it's revised with a bigger sensor don't you think there'll be a 1Ds IV with an even bigger and better sensor than the one it has now?

[Colorblinded]

The Ds series has always been completely overpriced,
I'm not sure I agree with that. When the first one came out the price was no surprise to me or many people I knew when we really looked at what it took to make a camera like that back then. However by now I'd agree you'd expect $1000-2000 to have been shaved off the price over time and the MK III should probably be in the $6000-6500 range, not 8k.

[Yohan Pamudji]

I'm not sure I agree with that. When the first one came out the price was no surprise to me or many people I knew when we really looked at what it took to make a camera like that back then. However by now I'd agree you'd expect $1000-2000 to have been shaved off the price over time and the MK III should probably be in the $6000-6500 range, not 8k.

Agreed. Every other camera line Canon produces has gone down over time (bar maybe the small hitch where the 1D Mark III initial MSRP was higher than the 1D II, despite the original whitepaper saying otherwise). The 1Ds line has been at $8000 forever. The only reason it's still up there is lack of competition. Look at the xxD line. The Canon D60 was, what, $2200? Then because of Nikon's D100, Canon rushed out the 10D a year later for $1500, and prices have steadily come down since then. The DReb line has done the same, and the 1D (not S) has also come down although not as dramatically as others. The main factor? Competition. The 2 lowest lines have had the most competition, hence the most price cutting. The 1D (not S) has had some modest competition, hence a moderate amount of price reduction. The 1Ds series has had no serious competition, hence no price reduction.

I may have no interest in using the Sony/Minolta system, but I sure hope they put out a killer product at a killer price. If they're serious about taking market share from Canon and Nikon, a price war is probably the only way they'll make any headway, and I'd love for that to happen. If anybody has the resources to conduct a price war against Canon it's Sony. And if Nikon's D3 and D300 haven't stirred Canon from their complacent stupor, hopefully a combination of Nikon and Sony will.

[MrChad]

You can buy a D3 body for £2800. A 1Ds3 body is £4800. A 14-24/2.8 is £1040 and the 24-70/2.8 is £995.

Basically, a D3 and two superb quality lenses for the price of a 1Ds3 body. The kick in the teeth is that the 70-200 VR and the SB-800 flash are also both cheaper than the Canon versions.

Canon have seriously misjudged the market with the 1Ds3. Its made to look even worse by the functionally identical (actually superior) 1D3 which can be had for £2350. Canon are saying that a 21mp sensor costs as much as an entire 1D3 (including its sensor). Absolutely bloody ridiculous. A £2000 Sony FF 25mp camera (however inferior) is just going to make the 1Ds3 look a market anachronism. A FF 1D3 (12-14mp) will be the final death knell.
Its a fine camera, no question, but Canons legendary arrogance has bitten off more than it can chew this time.

As I said I was basing this on US prices, Canon's are cheap (relatively) in the US. Even cheaper if you are purchasing with foreign currency. Even with duty tax I doubt you could go wrong buying Canon gear at current devalued US dollar prices. I think BHp ships globally... What's a US 24-70L run about 500 in the UK converted? 4000 for a 1Ds-3?

[Gabe63]

The actual price is not announced, but I have read on Japanese sites that Sony wants to directly undercut Nikon and Canon to get market share. The expected price for the Pro 24 mp FF Sony that rivals 1D series build and features is $3,000 or $3,500 range. The prosumer version should cost less than a 5D.

You can soon say so long to the EOS 1Ds Mark III price point! Competition is wonderful! :lol:

When I think of Sony I think of a company that always is priced at the high end with decent but not best in class features. I cant stand Sony because of their everlasting desire to use proprietary cables that only work on a Sony, give me a break. I do want to see major competition in the DSLR market, Canon needs more of it.

[ulrikft]

Calm down boys, in norway the 1ds Mark III costs 12.000 USD... :P

[Lightstream]

This is turning into the X-Files..... "I WANT to believe"

I want to believe the rumor about the 5DMk2 soooooooooo bad, but April 22nd has come AND gone, and no sight of the 5DM2.

Damn.

The Nikon D300 is looking better every day. However, need to thank CoolToolGuy for pointing out that their 70-200 is really a DX in disguise ;)

[ulrikft]

This is turning into the X-Files..... "I WANT to believe"

I want to believe the rumor about the 5DMk2 soooooooooo bad, but April 22nd has come AND gone, and no sight of the 5DM2.

Damn.

The Nikon D300 is looking better every day. However, need to thank CoolToolGuy for pointing out that their 70-200 is really a DX in disguise ;)

we'll just wait together.. :P I have already saved up the funds, but the worst part is going to be from release till the time when it is smart to get one (slight lowering of price and beta-testing done with.. :P ).

[Pinto]

we'll just wait together.. :P I have already saved up the funds, but the worst part is going to be from release till the time when it is smart to get one (slight lowering of price and beta-testing done with.. :P ).

I totally agree. I too, aways wait until a new product is well seasoned. But at least you wait knowing the product actually exists, even with its initial flaws. Now we're just waiting, and waiting... not knowing if the product will ever actually exist.

[SeanH]

"G&N Mode ( Boobs and legs recognition)"

They can save that one.........I already have that.........LOL :wink:

[Red Dot]

lol^

[Trainboy]

As for a FF 1D III being the death knell of the 1Ds III, that makes no sense. The 1D series is likely to stay a 1.3 crop and by the time it's revised with a bigger sensor don't you think there'll be a 1Ds IV with an even bigger and better sensor than the one it has now?
The thing about that is that it's a full frame sensor. It's the same size as a 35mm bit of film. These sensors are made so that they work with the lenses we have now. I can hope for a better sensor, but not a bigger one ;)

[Red Dot]

"G&N Mode ( Boobs and legs recognition)"

They can save that one.........I already have that.........LOL :wink:
Instead of "live view" a new custom function will make it "LOVE View"

[I Simonius]

Instead of "live view" a new custom function will make it "LOVE View"

awriggggh! Give me the leeurve view:lol:

[mattograph]

I am a big fan of the impressionists. Can I get the "Louvre" view?

[Sprout Crumble]

Just because there is a supposed Sony coming out with 25MP doesn't mean it well come close to measuring up to the 1Ds III. So it doesn't matter what it costs. Plus You don't just buy a system for the camera, you buy it for the lenses.

It certainly matters to Canon. The ONE and ONLY selling point of the 1Ds3 is its higher resolution sensor. It would be impossible to justify the huge price difference between the 1D3 and the 1Ds3 on that reason alone when a lower-volume competitor, remember Canon outsell Sony at least 5-to-1, is selling an even higher resolution camera for less than that price differential. It will finally be the end of that old cobblers Canon has always spouted about production yields being responsible for the huge cost of the s-series sensor. Either that or admit Sony have kicked their butts on sensor production techniques.

I'd be massively surprised if the Sony is as good as the 1Ds3, but bet your life it'll be good enough for the relatively huge numbers of amateurs out there and Canon execs had better be wearing a diaper when the sensor shows up in a D3 body at around 20% above the base D3 cost. A far cry from the 100% premium Canon currently feel is 'value'.

As for a FF 1D III being the death knell of the 1Ds III, that makes no sense. The 1D series is likely to stay a 1.3 crop and by the time it's revised with a bigger sensor don't you think there'll be a 1Ds IV with an even bigger and better sensor than the one it has now?

1.3x crop is dead in the 1D3 replacement. The D3 has seen to that. If the 1D4 is £2500, a 1Ds4 has to be pegged below £3250 unless its sporting some serious goodies, such as modular construction or one of these Uber-50mp sensors Canon are supposedly developing. Basically, a massive price difference between the two models has now become untenable unless the higher model becomes so different it won't even wear a 1D series nameplate.

[I Simonius]

I am a big fan of the impressionists. Can I get the "Louvre" view?

waagh! rotfl:lol:
( so bad it's hilariuous!)

hey dudes and dudettes:

time for a review:
Digic 3, liveview, 14bit, weatherproofing etc is all a foregone:

So: what isn't a foregone conclusion?

Certainly various operating cahnges which I can live with or without whatever they may be ( and Ive given up on hoping ofr MLU:lol:)

The single most important features to my mind for the next 5D itteration are these:

17MP approx, should be perfectly attainable now - with less space between the microlenses etc higher resolving power shouldn't be a minor increment the roumoure at the Louvre is that this may or may not be the case ( might be just 15MP ) but I think Noink and Sony have given Canon the push they need to bring out a higher MP version

What isn't a rumour YET but which I hope will be is re: The VF! I REALLY reaally hope that the VF can be upgraded to something like the 1Dsmk3 VF
Man does that make a difference!

I have slowly come to realise that the VF is probbaly highly underrated in the creative process. But look at the great 35mm masters , most used Leica and the one thing about that is the Leica VF, it gives you a compleytely different VF experience - that translates to a dofferent composing experience - and that my fiends tanslates to actually different compositions i.e. better composing all round.

Having seen the 1Ds3 I now know a exceptional VF IS possible on DSLRs too, instead of these dark little holes called viwfinders we (with big noses) have to crawl into. I don';t know what it is about my nose and eyesight but it is virtually impossible for me to see the whole scene clearly with all the borders CLEARLY in view at the same time.

A 1ds3 VF would cause me to rain down praise in unfettered effusion were canon to implement tis on the next 5D

---------------

If you had just TWO essential changes for the next 5D what would they be in your book?

[mattograph]

waagh! rotfl:lol:
( so bad it's hilariuous!)

hey dudes and dudettes:

time for a review:
Digic 3, liveview, 14bit, weatherproofing etc is all a foregone:

So: what isn't a foregone conclusion?

Certainly various operating cahnges which I can live with or without whatever they may be ( and Ive given up on hoping ofr MLU:lol:)

The single most important features to my mind for the next 5D itteration are these:

17MP approx, should be perfectly attainable now - with less space between the microlenses etc higher resolving power shouldn't be a minor increment the roumoure at the Louvre is that this may or may not be the case ( might be just 15MP ) but I think Noink and Sony have given Canon the push they need to bring out a higher MP version

What isn't a rumour YET but which I hope will be is re: The VF! I REALLY reaally hope that the VF can be upgraded to something like the 1Dsmk3 VF
Man does that make a difference!

I have slowly come to realise that the VF is probbaly highly underrated in the creative process. But look at the great 35mm masters , most used Leica and the one thing about that is the Leica VF, it gives you a compleytely different VF experience - that translates to a dofferent composing experience - and that my fiends tanslates to actually different compositions i.e. better composing all round.

Having seen the 1Ds3 I now know a exceptional VF IS possible on DSLRs too, instead of these dark little holes called viwfinders we (with big noses) have to crawl into. I don';t know what it is about my nose and eyesight but it is virtually impossible for me to see the whole scene clearly with all the borders CLEARLY in view at the same time.

A 1ds3 VF would cause me to rain down praise in unfettered effusion were canon to implement tis on the next 5D

---------------

If you had just TWO essential changes for the next 5D what would they be in your book?

6400 ISO (practical)

And (are you ready) EF-S Lens compatibility!

[ryanraphael]

IF SONY CAN BRING A SENSOR WHICH IS CAPABLE IN 14BIT HIGH SPEED CONTINUOUS SHOOTING, AND ALSO INCLUDE CANON-LEVEL NR TECH, the High megapixel of A900 worths it.
Otherwise,
dude, you are just bumping 1 specification and sacrifies many other things at the same time.

[mattograph]

IF SONY CAN BRING A SENSOR WHICH IS CAPABLE IN 14BIT HIGH SPEED CONTINUOUS SHOOTING, AND ALSO INCLUDE CANON-LEVEL NR TECH, the High megapixel of A900 worths it.
Otherwise,
dude, you are just bumping 1 specification and sacrifies many other things at the same time.

Call my goofy, but I think the whole sony thing is a non-issue. Sony has yet to crack the entry level slr market, which is where your customers are gonna come from for the higher end sensors. Is there an appreciable number of people who will abandon Canon or Nikon, their lens, speedlights, remote shutter releases, all all the other little pieces of gear to start all over with SONY?

I don't think so. Sony is good for the market, but they won't be hurting canon or nikon.

Now, if they had an entry level dslr with a 10 mp sensor AND IS kit lens for $399? Then you need to worry.

[jaybird]

If you had just TWO essential changes for the next 5D what would they be in your book?

My two changes would be:

1. That they release it now
2. That it's a better upgrade than the 20D to 30D was

[Yohan Pamudji]

...
time for a review:
Digic 3, liveview, 14bit, weatherproofing etc is all a foregone:

Weatherproofing guaranteed? I don't think so, not a foregone conclusion anyway, unless you're talking about 40D-style "weatherproofing". If I were Canon I would match or trump the cheaper D300's feature set in the 5DII including weatherproofing, but that's just me. Canon unfortunately have demonstrated they have their own quirky ideas. I'm hopeful but not to the point of accepting it as inevitable.

So: what isn't a foregone conclusion?
...
17MP approx, should be perfectly attainable now - with less space between the microlenses etc higher resolving power shouldn't be a minor increment the roumoure at the Louvre is that this may or may not be the case ( might be just 15MP ) but I think Noink and Sony have given Canon the push they need to bring out a higher MP version

For landscapes you need the higher resolution, but for my work I'm happy with 15MP. If they can put it at 15MP, which would basically be a 1DIII sensor extended to FF, and improve noise performance compared to the 1DIII that would be a killer sensor for me.

What isn't a rumour YET but which I hope will be is re: The VF! I REALLY reaally hope that the VF can be upgraded to something like the 1Dsmk3 VF
Man does that make a difference!

I have slowly come to realise that the VF is probbaly highly underrated in the creative process. But look at the great 35mm masters , most used Leica and the one thing about that is the Leica VF, it gives you a compleytely different VF experience - that translates to a dofferent composing experience - and that my fiends tanslates to actually different compositions i.e. better composing all round.

Having seen the 1Ds3 I now know a exceptional VF IS possible on DSLRs too, instead of these dark little holes called viwfinders we (with big noses) have to crawl into. I don';t know what it is about my nose and eyesight but it is virtually impossible for me to see the whole scene clearly with all the borders CLEARLY in view at the same time.

A 1ds3 VF would cause me to rain down praise in unfettered effusion were canon to implement tis on the next 5D

Thankfully I haven't used the 1DsIII and haven't had to suffer the yearning you have :D I have used a 1DII for quite some time though, and it was a shock to go to a 5D and have to press my face all up on the back LCD. I think it was in this thread that I wondered out loud how people with more average sized noses deal with it, as it even bothers me with my pudgy asian nose. As the 5D's apparent viewfinder size is larger than the 1DII's, it's not the size but the eyepoint that's the issue there. The 1-series eyecup juts out a lot further from the back of the camera, leaving more space for your nose. I'd like to see that in the 5DII. I'm content with the size although I wouldn't begrudge an even larger viewfinder. Considering that they'd have to make the physical size bigger to even maintain the effective size with a higher eyepoint, I'd be happy with that.

If you had just TWO essential changes for the next 5D what would they be in your book?

Two? Why so stingy? :lol: Hmm... if I had to choose, it would be much better AF (layout and number of crosstype AF points), and better noise performance. Those are the 2 features that most impact the work I do, and hence are the highest on my list.

[Colorblinded]

My essential changes, in an ideal world, would be:

1: A 1 series like body with all the advantages: sealing, layout, design, interface, 100% viewfinder... just shrink it a tad
2: a 15-18mp, 14bit sensor with good performance to ISO 3200, anything beyond that is nice but not something I'd rely on (for example the D3 offers ISOs up to 25600 but looks pretty terrible at that point)

[Yohan Pamudji]

My essential changes, in an ideal world, would be:

1: A 1 series like body with all the advantages: sealing, layout, design, interface, 100% viewfinder... just shrink it a tad

Hey no fair; you're cheating! You can't combine all of those into 1 item!!! :lol:

[TheHoff]

Is this a wish list or a rumor thread? Please at least preface your lists with "I heard from a Canon tech support guy on the phone..." or "a mega pro Nikon shooter told me..." and then list off what the new 3D/5D II/6D/7D will have. Back on track, people.

[Colorblinded]

Nobody said I couldn't :lol:

[TheHoff]

These threads are a lot more interesting if you pretend that you have a source inside Canon that told you what is coming out. If everyone posts what they wish will happen, it is just a snoozefest.

[Yohan Pamudji]

Is this a wish list or a rumor thread? Please at least preface your lists with "I heard from a Canon tech support guy on the phone..." or "a mega pro Nikon shooter told me..." and then list off what the new 3D/5D II/6D/7D will have. Back on track, people.

It's actually a wish-we-had-some-proper-rumors thread. The well has gone dry. Isn't there supposed to be some big shindig tomorrow in France? Where are the pre-event leaks?

[gjl711]

.. if you pretend that you have a source inside Canon .....More like your cousin knows someone inside Canon.

[mattograph]

Just got back from lunch with Rick Sammon and Art Wolfe, and they told me........

[AdamJL]

Is this a wish list or a rumor thread? Please at least preface your lists with "I heard from a Canon tech support guy on the phone..." or "a mega pro Nikon shooter told me..." and then list off what the new 3D/5D II/6D/7D will have. Back on track, people.

Apparently someone made you a mod!

[TheHoff]

Apparently someone made you a mod!

This is a serious thread with no time for nonsense like this. Don't forget, Le Canon 6D is going to be announced in France tomorrow.

[Blue S2]

Leica VF?? Its because its direct and not TTL. Would it even look like that through an SLR? It would have to have a HUGE prism to gain the extra size to have room for extra composition. Probably not practical on an SLR designed casing.

The 5D viewfinder is great. Film only had 96% view generally as well. The only difference is the stock screen is not so hot. Swap out to a brightscreen and the 5D view is perfect. I do agree, a 1Ds style VF with be even nicer.

[yonni]

Just got back from lunch with Rick Sammon and Art Wolfe, and they told me........

What, dammit? What?!!!

[mattograph]

What, dammit? What?!!!


Oh, yeah.....

They're switching to Sony!

[yonni]

Oh, yeah.....

They're switching to Sony!

:evil::evil::evil:
:p

[Lightstream]

Leica VF?? Its because its direct and not TTL. Would it even look like that through an SLR? It would have to have a HUGE prism to gain the extra size to have room for extra composition. Probably not practical on an SLR designed casing.


but.....but........but.......it would turn all our lenses into.....

CROP LENSES!!!!!

AND WE CAN'T HAVE THAT!!!!!!!

:p :p :p



(conceptually though, what you are asking for is very simple: stick a FF prism on a 1.6x crop SENSOR with a FF mirror with appropriate framelines. (cuz mirror has to cater for the size of the full prism). Of course you lose EF-S compatibility due to the mechanically larger mirror, and all your EF lenses become crop lenses..... though the tele folks would like it.)


Breaking news......after Canon reads this post, the New 5D (hey, they did New F1 too) will now be a 1.6x crop camera with FF prism to appease both the crop and the FF folks.

[TheHoff]

So what was released in France?

[Yohan Pamudji]

So what was released in France?

The "2 stars of summer" are the Rebel XS and the 430EX II :rolleyes:

[surfjungle]

The 430 EX II could hardly be considered a "star". A body or a lens should only constitute. Well, thats just my opinion. On the other hand, Photokina is no a summer event...

[mattograph]

So what was released in France?

New Jerry Lewis movie, I think..........

[mattograph]

Okay.

The skinny.

Just got back from "canon days" here in the Derby City. Got both my bodies cleaned up, and spent about 20 minutes talking to the local rep.

He said he knows nothing, but that they all expect an announcement to come out for the olympics, with a marketing campaign to come at that time.

In other words, I know nothing new. But hey....... clean sensors!

[I Simonius]

having just had an extensive play with the 1DsMK3 (longer than the first time) and having got the files home and played with them I have to say that apart from the very impressive VF - I am not impressed:(

Not that I wanted to be particularily - so - to my eye there is more noise than the current 5D at ISO 400 and it seems to have crunchy reds on plants in sunlight. Non vegetable reds are fine (car lights etc)

I.e. this is the second time I have tried it and on each ocasion I noticed that Red flowers, red berries etc look 'crunchy', i.e. the tones don't look smooth or anywhere near as buttery as the 5D and I tried a selectionof lenses so those can't be blamed. Other colours looked fine but even then there is not that smooothe quality of image you get wit the 5D, yes the resolution is ferrrrnomenal but that isn't everything.

In the 1Ds3 blurb it calls it a studio camera ( mainly) and I can see why now, it would absolutely shine where you were in compleye control of the lighting

Very glad I had a good look at it as it has made me even more committed to the next 5D itteration - provided thay can keep the wondrous quality of light it renders

[Rumjungle]

I just hope something comes out soon. I'm tired of being jealous of my friends who have Nikons and the extra 1-2 stops they have at their disposal.:confused:

[Colorblinded]

I just hope something comes out soon. I'm tired of being jealous of my friends who have Nikons and the extra 1-2 stops they have at their disposal.:confused:
The newest Canons aren't that different... just that they don't offer a camera in the category I want with the latest sensors! Dang.

[I Simonius]

I just hope something comes out soon. I'm tired of being jealous of my friends who have Nikons and the extra 1-2 stops they have at their disposal.:confused:

IT'S ON ITS WAY!

I just heard that it's a matter of a couple of months at most;)

can I stand the tension?:lol:

[AdamJL]

Trying to keep your thread alive again Simon? ;)
Maybe you should just let it go.

[mattograph]

DISASTER!!!!!

My Air Conditioner just blew up!!!! Yikes!!! My new Mark II might actually look more like a Trane!!! :(

[I Simonius]

Trying to keep your thread alive again Simon? ;)
Maybe you should just let it go.

Never!:lol:

No seriously I did hear that news - not making it up!

Im getting excited - aren't you?;)

[Maureen Souza]

Never!:lol:

No seriously I did hear that news - not making it up!

Im getting excited - aren't you?;)
I hope you are right. I am itching to buy one and have my 5D for back up.

[I Simonius]

I hope you are right. I am itching to buy one and have my 5D for back up.

Same here!:D

[AdamJL]

Never!:lol:

No seriously I did hear that news - not making it up!

Im getting excited - aren't you?;)

Fair enough. Source?

[cyrn]

IT'S ON ITS WAY!

I just heard that it's a matter of a couple of months at most;)

can I stand the tension?:lol:

Never!:lol:

No seriously I did hear that news - not making it up!

Im getting excited - aren't you?;)

I think what you heard are about the D700... hahaha :D

[I Simonius]

Fair enough. Source?

Usual thing, Canon minion;):p

I think what you heard are about the D700... hahaha :D


Off with his head!:evil::lol:

[I Simonius]

I KNOW there's going to be an announcement very very soon now because I am actually bored waiting;)

That is the biggest guarantee that something actually is in the pipeline:D


Some say an anouncement next week -well I wouldn't be surprised and I think it will be an announcement but the actual camera I still bet won't be availabe before Sept:cry:

Which means I won't buy it until into the next year ( when the price has droppede abit)

[mattograph]

I KNOW there's going to be an announcement very very soon now because I am actually bored waiting;)

That is the biggest guarantee that something actually is in the pipeline:D


Some say an anouncement next week -well I wouldn't be surprised and I think it will be an announcement but the actual camera I still bet won't be availabe before Sept:cry:

Which means I won't buy it until into the next year ( when the price has droppede abit)

Yes, but what will be the "olympics surprise?" The 1D MKIII n?

[mattograph]

Doesn't look like we get our 5D announcement........ Its all about the Rebel and the 430 EX II today.

[AdamJL]

Bah! :(

[Pinto]

Bah! :(

+1! I'm just getting weary of the waiting.

I need a FF, maybe the 1DS3, but I won't pull the trigger until I see what the 5DII offers.

Emotion plays a very strong part in merchandising and customer loyalty, and if Photokina comes and goes without a new FF, it's going to create a tremendous amount of ill-will with Canon loyalists.

For no other reason than frustration and disgust, I think a lot of people, including myself, will take a very strong look at Nikon. And If we leave because of an emotional response, Canon will never get us back.

But the reality is, the income generated by FF sales probably put it in the bottom category of importance to Canon. With the income generated from P&Ss and entry level DSLRs, Canon probably won't give the losses in the FF categories a moment's concern.

[JohnnyG]

IT'S ON ITS WAY!

I just heard that it's a matter of a couple of months at most;)

can I stand the tension?:lol:

I heard that rumor over a year ago! I guess I'll spend the money I saved, about $4000.00 on guns or something. There is no reason to wait for a camera that's not coming, at least not now.

Hmmmmmm. Which rifle do I want???

[k.sendide]

Somebody should come up with adaptors to use Canon Lenses with Nikon bodies, that'll solve my and a lot of others' problems/frustrations :evil:

[mattograph]

I heard that rumor over a year ago! I guess I'll spend the money I saved, about $4000.00 on guns or something. There is no reason to wait for a camera that's not coming, at least not now.

Hmmmmmm. Which rifle do I want???

I have a nice Remington 700 chambered in 30-06 for sale.........

[JohnnyG]

Somebody should come up with adaptors to use Canon Lenses with Nikon bodies, that'll solve my and a lot of others' problems/frustrations :evil:
I think that would solve a whole lot of peoples problems for sure!:D

[JohnnyG]

I have a nice Remington 700 chambered in 30-06 for sale.........
I was thinking a new Colt AR-15 but not sure about the caliber of it. But, this is a camera forum! ;)

[mattograph]

I was thinking a new Colt AR-15 but not sure about the caliber of it. But, this is a camera forum! ;)

Hey, shootin's shootin, right!

[John_TX]

Get a nice SA Loaded M1A. AR's get boring after awhile ;)

[JohnnyG]

Get a nice SA Loaded M1A. AR's get boring after awhile ;)
I've been thinking of getting a nice AK-47. The ammo is relatively cheap and it's fun to shoot! M1's are awfully heavy but has a nice history for sure. I used to have to disassemble one in ROTC a very long time ago.

[ulrikft]

AG-3

Easy choice ;)

[JohnnyG]

AG-3

Easy choice ;)
It looks awesome!

[Radtech1]

Okay then, let's get this thread back on track.

Thinking is free, and I'm free to think, and so this is what I think. I think that Canon was well down the pipe with a replacement camera for the 5D and it was most likely to be announced in February (as we all had thought) for shipping during the summer.

I think that Canon either got a hold of a working prototype, or a copy of the specs sheet that they believed to be accurate regarding the Nikon D700 and they realized that Nikon had raised the bar to such a degree that any replacement 5D would be nothing but an embarrassment.

I think they probably took their designers and engineers to task, sat them down and said "try again, and this time do it right." Although the wait is an annoying way to spend a half year, I am hoping for some sort of announcement that would mean shipping by first-quarter 2009. I would like the announcement to be a home run, or at least a standup triple.

There seems to be a fair amount of technology coming from other manufacturers that so far has gone unadapted or unexploited by Canon. One piece of technology I would like to see them license is Kodak's Truesense that Hasselblad has on their new 50 megapixel camera. (It is a redesigned Bayer pattern where one fourth of the photo sites have a clear filter which is responsible for the luminescence. Dramatically improves high ISO responce with virtually no noise.)

I wouldn't expect weather sealing, etc. etc. etc. because that is what defines a 1 series camera - which this is not. But what I do expect is something to compete with the Nikon D700 without having to offer excuses.

Rad

[herbe_nelson]

"I wouldn't expect weather sealing, etc. etc. etc. because that is what defines a 1 series camera - which this is not"

watch out Rad... this is a very volatile issue with a lot of canon customers waiting for the next 5D installment. I personally would like to see some decent weather sealing for once on a non-1 series camera.

"But what I do expect is something to compete with the Nikon D700 without having to offer excuses."

A bit hypocritical? :P It is interesting that you just gave an excuse for not having weather sealing and then said that you want a camera that competes with the D700 without offering excuses.

I am looking forward to a new something in the 5D range; whether it be a 3D and 7D, 5DII or something even better. I am as surprised as the next guy about how long canon has kept the 5D out there without an update.

It used to be that Canon would innovate and Nikon would follow. That hierarchy seems to have changed in recent times. Where is the innovation, where is the passion? ... At Nikon now :P

You can't just keep reacting to what a competitors puts out, because then you don't draw people towards your company. If the next 5D is similar to the D700 a lot of people will be happy, but there will be those that will always want more. People flocked to the D3 because it offered something different, something unique (FF, hi FPS, lo noise, hi ISO). C'mon Canon...innovate!

All the best,
Nelson

[davidinjp]

I wouldn't expect weather sealing, etc. etc. etc. because that is what defines a 1 series camera - which this is not. But what I do expect is something to compete with the Nikon D700 without having to offer excuses.

Rad

Canon needs to look at what Nikon offers. There is no such thing as competing with yourself. Money into Canon's pocket is what they should aim for.

Undercutting 5DII features to avoid upsetting 1D camera buyers of yesteryear should not be their concern. It's all about external competition, therefore a significant upgrade in 5D features is a must.