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Radtech1
20th of August 2008 (Wed), 20:20
I think it's time for canon to step up and add weathersealing. That's what I want in the new camera.

Just out of curiosity, is that a "want", as in your statement "That's what I want in the new camera.", or is it a "MUST HAVE" - that without weathersealing you will cross it off your list because it does not rise up to the minimum specifications?

I wonder, because I don't believe it will happen - I assume a hefty manufacturing costs on all those grommets and seals, and there has to be something that Canon will keep strictly in the rarefied world of the 1 Series bodies.

Just wondering.

Rad

fi20100
21st of August 2008 (Thu), 00:47
I'd say a must is a AF system somewhere in between 40D and the 1Ds MK3.

Colorblinded
21st of August 2008 (Thu), 00:58
Just out of curiosity, is that a "want", as in your statement "That's what I want in the new camera.", or is it a "MUST HAVE" - that without weathersealing you will cross it off your list because it does not rise up to the minimum specifications?

I wonder, because I don't believe it will happen - I assume a hefty manufacturing costs on all those grommets and seals, and there has to be something that Canon will keep strictly in the rarefied world of the 1 Series bodies.

Just wondering.

Rad
Can't say I agree with that. Weather sealing is hitting much lower level models from other manufacturers. It would be pretty silly if Canon didn't respond in kind.

Dragos Jianu
21st of August 2008 (Thu), 02:06
Just out of curiosity, is that a "want", as in your statement "That's what I want in the new camera.", or is it a "MUST HAVE" - that without weathersealing you will cross it off your list because it does not rise up to the minimum specifications?

I wonder, because I don't believe it will happen - I assume a hefty manufacturing costs on all those grommets and seals, and there has to be something that Canon will keep strictly in the rarefied world of the 1 Series bodies.


It would be something to cross of the list simply because it would not be competitive compared to what the other manufacturers offer. Keep in mind Pentax offers weather sealing in it's 600$ entry level K200 and Nikon will most likely follow that trend with it's D90. Canon not offering weather sealing under 4500$ would, in my point of view, be simply an insult to it's clients. Is canon still in the position to milk the clients rather then please them, as they were a few years ago?

Chandler.
21st of August 2008 (Thu), 03:37
Just out of curiosity, is that a "want", as in your statement "That's what I want in the new camera.", or is it a "MUST HAVE" - that without weathersealing you will cross it off your list because it does not rise up to the minimum specifications?

I wonder, because I don't believe it will happen - I assume a hefty manufacturing costs on all those grommets and seals, and there has to be something that Canon will keep strictly in the rarefied world of the 1 Series bodies.

Just wondering.

Rad


The bottom line is that I will probably buy the new camera for its anti-dust, its likely improved ISO performance, and its 14 bit RAW capability. The weathersealing is a major want. As in I'm begging you Canon! Please, add real weathersealing.

ulrikft
21st of August 2008 (Thu), 04:14
Just out of curiosity, is that a "want", as in your statement "That's what I want in the new camera.", or is it a "MUST HAVE" - that without weathersealing you will cross it off your list because it does not rise up to the minimum specifications?

I wonder, because I don't believe it will happen - I assume a hefty manufacturing costs on all those grommets and seals, and there has to be something that Canon will keep strictly in the rarefied world of the 1 Series bodies.

Just wondering.

Rad

Hefty manufacturing cost on grommets and seals....?

AdamJL
21st of August 2008 (Thu), 04:39
Just out of curiosity, is that a "want", as in your statement "That's what I want in the new camera.", or is it a "MUST HAVE" - that without weathersealing you will cross it off your list because it does not rise up to the minimum specifications?

I wonder, because I don't believe it will happen - I assume a hefty manufacturing costs on all those grommets and seals, and there has to be something that Canon will keep strictly in the rarefied world of the 1 Series bodies.

Just wondering.

Rad

Funnily enough, I won't buy an updated 5D unless it has two things - in order of importance (which is redundant when both make or break the deal, but anyway):
1. Sealing
2. HIGHLY improved AF

Ergo, so sealing, no purchase.

Hefty manufacturing cost on grommets and seals....?

Lol that's what I thought. $1 per camera for the seals I reckon :D

BugEyes
21st of August 2008 (Thu), 07:33
I would value a good AF system higher than any other features, that's what I dislike about my 5D.

After that comes...
ISO performance
Speed of shooting
Dust reduction
Resolution, yes I woudln't mind 16 mp

If there actually are two FF models for Photokina I'll likely get the more expensive one if it has a better AF system than the other. If not, I'll get the cheaper model.
Almost certainly I will get one of them.
But I don't really belive the "3D" rumour anyway.

TheHoff
21st of August 2008 (Thu), 08:05
But I don't really belive the "3D" rumour anyway.

You haven't seen my gear list, eh? It is gonna be sweet!

mattograph
21st of August 2008 (Thu), 09:07
It would be something to cross of the list simply because it would not be competitive compared to what the other manufacturers offer. Keep in mind Pentax offers weather sealing in it's 600$ entry level K200 and Nikon will most likely follow that trend with it's D90. Canon not offering weather sealing under 4500$ would, in my point of view, be simply an insult to it's clients. Is canon still in the position to milk the clients rather then please them, as they were a few years ago?

I too hope the 5D II is weather sealed. But saying a camera is "weather sealed" and actually being weather sealed are two totally different things. I've got about 5 digital watches at home that were "water proof" that died in crazy places like the hot tub or the kiddy pool.

Yohan Pamudji
21st of August 2008 (Thu), 18:41
Just out of curiosity, is that a "want", as in your statement "That's what I want in the new camera.", or is it a "MUST HAVE" - that without weathersealing you will cross it off your list because it does not rise up to the minimum specifications?

I wonder, because I don't believe it will happen - I assume a hefty manufacturing costs on all those grommets and seals, and there has to be something that Canon will keep strictly in the rarefied world of the 1 Series bodies.

Just wondering.

Rad

Well, this is exactly what Canon has been doing--jealously reserving certain features for only the 1-series, including weather sealing. But when everybody and their brother have weather-sealed cameras at much cheaper pricepoints it makes Canon look silly for doing so. I think weather sealing is one of the cheaper "bullet-point" type improvements they could add to the 5DII without adding much cost at all. I still won't hold my breath that Canon will adapt so quickly to the market that has left them behind, but I can still hope, and thus I hope that full weather sealing will make its way into the 5DII, and not the awesome strips of foam they claim make the 40D more weather resistant for instance.

For me the make-or-break improvement is AF. Put the 40D AF system in the 5DII and I won't bother (but ask me on another day and I might waffle on that). I so hate the diamond layout on a FF--no points anywhere near rule-of-thirds intersection points--that the thought of buying another camera with that same AF point layout seems unthinkable. I would settle for 40D-level AF with all AF points cross-type, as long as they redo the layout to have points at the rule-of-thirds intersections, but I would love to have a higher-level (faster and more accurate) AF system coupled with a better layout as well.

Improved high ISO performance is 2nd on my list. The 5D is still awesome in this area, but it's 2008 and I expect noise performance to improve from 3-year old tech.

Weather sealing is 3rd, and is a feature I could probably live without. Still, what a way to skimp if they leave it out.

So yeah there are a lot of other features I'd love to have (high-res LCD, bigger viewfinder, etc.), but my real wish list is pretty short: better AF and better noise performance, with maybe some weather sealing thrown in. Basically I want the 5DII to be the camera it should be at its pricepoint (assuming $3K or so), not an XXD feature set with a FF sensor.

gjl711
22nd of August 2008 (Fri), 08:50
Well, this is exactly what Canon has been doing--jealously reserving certain features for only the 1-series, including weather sealing. ..
This is the one Canon action that annoys me most. All companies do this but Canon has taken it to an extreme. The clearest example is the hiding of shutter actuations. Clearly the data is there and it would cost nothing for Canon to display, but for some reason Canon has chosen to keep this secret.

symbolphoto
22nd of August 2008 (Fri), 12:40
This is the one Canon action that annoys me most. All companies do this but Canon has taken it to an extreme. The clearest example is the hiding of shutter actuations. Clearly the data is there and it would cost nothing for Canon to display, but for some reason Canon has chosen to keep this secret.

I thought you could use software to see the #?

mattograph
22nd of August 2008 (Fri), 12:43
I thought you could use software to see the #?


As I understand it, the only bodies that will give you an accurate answer are the 1D's. I have heard that software like cancount won't give you accurate #s on the xxD, xxxD, or xxxxD bodies.

fi20100
24th of August 2008 (Sun), 04:22
Having had a look at the "leaked" 50D info (from the Canon China site), I'm really doubting that Canon will step up in the AF department for the next 5D... too bad.

TheHoff
24th of August 2008 (Sun), 08:48
Having had a look at the "leaked" 50D info (from the Canon China site), I'm really doubting that Canon will step up in the AF department for the next 5D... too bad.

"9 point AF" does not mean it is the same AF system just that it has the same number of points. No where in the specs does it say it is the same AF system as previous models. I doubt they will make improvements all over the camera and then leave the exact same AF in it.

fi20100
24th of August 2008 (Sun), 09:11
Yeah, well... it doesn't either mean it's a new AF system, and a lot of people were really hoping for a few more AF points... not necessarily as many as the 1D series. But then... we know nothing about the 5D upgrade yet... perhaps we'll have to wait another year :)

JC4
24th of August 2008 (Sun), 10:03
"9 point AF" does not mean it is the same AF system just that it has the same number of points. No where in the specs does it say it is the same AF system as previous models. I doubt they will make improvements all over the camera and then leave the exact same AF in it.

True. The 5d is NOT the same AF system as the 30d(hidden assist points I think), and the 40d was significantly improved over the 30d/XTi. So, there is still hope for a significantly better AF system in the 5d.

However, I'm starting to doubt we'll see a 5d replacement this year. If announcement day is tomorrow, shouldn't we have seen some new rumors...? The 50d is getting a lot of buzz, but no 5d info. :(

I Simonius
25th of August 2008 (Mon), 04:56
OK,

How about this - a question for those of us who will likely be in the market for one: Since the announcement is near, does anyone have any "MUST HAVE" features/specs. I am not talking wish list, or want list, or hope list - I am talking threshold stuff - Something that is so critical, that without it, it is a deal killer.



The only MUST have AFAIC is more MPs (which must = better IQ so that means bigger microsites too) That's my only MUST have- If it was the same camera just with more (but not smaller) MPs ( I would buy it, because there is nothing else, frankly, that will make any real difference to the pics I get or to their quality.

The current 5D is a great camera it is only lagging in a few things. MPs is the biggest deal now that the technology has moved on. More and bigger pixels are possible now on a FF sensor and that's the only thing essentially that would persuade me to shell out the money on a new version. The rest of the possible or likely features would just be gliding the lily.

Apart from FF capability the whole deal for me with the 5D was the beautiful quality to the 5D images, the quality of light, i..e the big pixels pulling in more light. I'd hate to lose those, but now that technology has movend on we can get more of thos big pixels by lessening the gaps between them , we know thats possible ansd thats' what needs to be on the next version. incidentally it improves noise as well of course which is a bonus . So for me it's all about IQ and more detail without sacrificing that IQ, nothing else, If they go with tiny pixels for huge MP count ( they wont) I wuldnt bother with it.

However Certain things are a GIven - like 14bit - if they didn't include that it would only be for a very good reason, i.e. that they had found a way to get 12 bit to give better images on the 5D ( not going to happen), - like a dust shaker- handy but not a deal breaker for me - and so on. i.e. all the tweeks that the 40D got

of the 40D tweeks - I don't need: more fps,. liveview,and probably a few other features I havent bothered to check because they dont matter to me - I can take them or leave them

what else I would like but aren't deal breakers for me are:

- weathersealing,
- more user customisable registered settings on the dial,
- wider auto bracketing for HDR,
- a return of the a-dep mode ( the only mode that tells you if you have sufficient DOF for the shot without having to keep moving the lens)
- a mode or Cfn that allows auto ISO,
- a higher quality AF point and better AF pattern at top position ( portrait orientation) to put an AF point more easily on the eye of a portrait subject without having to reframe so much and in low light,
- a lock, guard, or repositioning of the on/off switch, + same for eyepiece diopter adjustment,
- an eyepiece curtain would be nice,
- as would be an VF upgrade to as close to the 1Ds3 as possible (that would be really nice!)
- oh , and I mention this just for traditions sake , a mirror lock up button;)

these are the things that would make a difference to my user experience i.e those things that make the difference between cursing/frustration and a fluid satisfaction with one's equipment, when out on a cold windy/wet day trying to fight the elements whilst hunched in some awkward or contorted position trying desperately to catch the shifting light.

So, what happens if nothing happens on the 25th? wait till the last monday of august next year???

you got it!:lol: - No, actually I always said SEPT;)

fi20100
25th of August 2008 (Mon), 05:04
If nothing happens in the 5D department tomorrow... will the prices start going up again? :D

gacon1
25th of August 2008 (Mon), 19:44
hee hee hee...
:D

tldoxmf87
25th of August 2008 (Mon), 19:53
I won't have the money to buy the 5d mark II until this December... :(
Is that close to the expected release date anyway?

mattograph
25th of August 2008 (Mon), 22:17
Its hard to believe that this might all soon be over.

*Washes down an ambien with a glass of wild turkey*

Now I can sleep through the excitement.....

fi20100
26th of August 2008 (Tue), 01:13
Well... the 50D is officially launched... the next 5D not... does this mean we have to wait another month?

ulrikft
26th of August 2008 (Tue), 01:35
*cry*

5d :(

ME WANTS NEW.

Radtech1
26th of August 2008 (Tue), 01:59
Specs on the 50D -

■ 15.1 Megapixel APS-C CMOS sensor (would be 39 megapixels Full Frame at that density!)

■ 6.3fps continuous shooting, max. burst 90 JPEGs with UDMA card

■ DIGIC 4 processor (4! Who knew?)

■ ISO 100-3200, expandable to 12800 (Interested in seeing how THAT looks! Especially at that photosite density - noise an issue maybe. Seriously - that is 3 more stops than the 1600 - the highest I usually go with the 5D)

■ 9-point wide area AF

■ 3.0” Clear View VGA LCD with Live View mode & Face Detection Live AF (Yawn, yawn, yawn.)

■ Magnesium alloy body, with environmental protection (OK, now this surprised me - but I be everyone is happy to hear this.)

■ EOS Integrated Cleaning System

■ HDMI connection for high quality viewing and playback on a High Definition TV (Again, Yawn, yawn, yawn.)

■ Full compatibility with Canon EF and EF-S lenses and EX-series Speedlites

So, will be interesting to see if we can infer anything about the 5dMk2 from the 50d - Personally - 39 megapixels could be sweet. And ISO 12800 - and maybe higher, after all, the 5d is supposed to be a notch above the X0 series bodies.

Now with that out of the way, all I want is a 14-300mm lens, f/1.2 all the way down, that fits into a shirt pocket!

Rad

gacon1
26th of August 2008 (Tue), 03:29
Well... the 50D is officially launched... the next 5D not... does this mean we have to wait another month?

Or we have to wait another year ?

fi20100
26th of August 2008 (Tue), 03:34
Hmmm... if Canon didn't see D700 coming in time... that's not impossible...

BugEyes
26th of August 2008 (Tue), 04:38
Canon just finished the press conference here in Sweden.
They did confirm that one more EOS will be introduced this year, but refused to give away what and when.
The next press event is on september 22 at photokina.

fr3d
26th of August 2008 (Tue), 04:41
It will be the new Canon 10000D .. 1" LCD and 3MP

Trainboy
26th of August 2008 (Tue), 05:03
Oh no, the 10000D will feature a 3.5" LCD, 12MP on a 17x13mm 4:3 sensor, live view with AF face detection, 2 "Advanced Auto" modes, and the new EF-M lens mount. (The M is for miniscule...)

Meaty0
26th of August 2008 (Tue), 05:10
T
you got it!:lol: -

Hey! I like the old avatar better. Can we have it back little blue person?

fi20100
26th of August 2008 (Tue), 05:48
:( nice...

I Simonius
26th of August 2008 (Tue), 06:58
50D.. mutter.. mutter.... mutter...:evil:

Or we have to wait another year ?

I just.. can't.. stand.. it.. *sob*:cry:

Canon just finished the press conference here in Sweden.
They did confirm that one more EOS will be introduced this year, but refused to give away what and when.
The next press event is on september 22 at photokina.

Sept 22... aaahh.. twas always the date I predicted.. could I finally be right about something???:eek::D:lol:

Hey! I like the old avatar better. Can we have it back little blue person?

AW.... okey dokey!:lol:

AdamJL
26th of August 2008 (Tue), 07:07
So. Since this thread was created, we have had:

1Ds III (too many pixels, less DR than the 1D III)
1D III (excellent IQ, shoddy AF)
40D
50D
400D
450D
1000D

Simon, you couldn't have been further from the truth when you made this thread!!

fi20100
26th of August 2008 (Tue), 07:12
So. Since this thread was created, we have had:

1Ds III (too many pixels, less DR than the 1D III)
1D III (excellent IQ, shoddy AF)
40D
50D
400D
450D
1000D

Simon, you couldn't have been further from the truth when you made this thread!!

LOL :lol::lol::lol:
But it's not his fault they're a tad slow at Canon...

datadump
26th of August 2008 (Tue), 07:12
ok just kill this thread already lol

fi20100
26th of August 2008 (Tue), 07:16
But the longer the thread is going, the more likely the rumor is to be true :D

narlus
26th of August 2008 (Tue), 08:30
we can't let this thread die until we at least get to 2,000 replies.

TheHoff
26th of August 2008 (Tue), 08:34
I never realized this is over two years old. This is the saddest prediction thread ever.

fi20100
26th of August 2008 (Tue), 08:38
we can't let this thread die until we at least get to 2,000 replies.

That shouldn't be too hard?! :D

blackshadow
26th of August 2008 (Tue), 08:39
Who cares about a new 5D? You should all just suck it up and go for the 1D or 1Ds - once you've had a 1D you'll never go back.

fi20100
26th of August 2008 (Tue), 08:45
After you get used to the OOF pics? :D

symbolphoto
26th of August 2008 (Tue), 08:45
Who cares about a new 5D? You should all just suck it up and go for the 1D or 1Ds - once you've had a 1D you'll never go back.

You're right. I should go to the 1Ds. You have $5000.00 i can borrow right quick?

gjl711
26th of August 2008 (Tue), 08:49
I never realized this is over two years old. This is the saddest prediction thread ever.
Maybe it should just morph into the

"What will the 5D MkIII have" thread. :)

fi20100
26th of August 2008 (Tue), 08:51
Well... I'm sure Canon have scrapped the plans for the 5D successors already once, after the D3 was launched... so perhaps we should call the 5D successor 5D Mk3?

Colorblinded
26th of August 2008 (Tue), 08:52
Who cares about a new 5D? You should all just suck it up and go for the 1D or 1Ds - once you've had a 1D you'll never go back.
Thus my concern with how the 5DMKII is designed. I went 1D :rolleyes:

mattograph
26th of August 2008 (Tue), 11:11
Thus my concern with how the 5DMKII is designed. I went 1D :rolleyes:


You gotta admit now, though -- this is an interesting development.

They roll out the new processor in the 50D. At 15 mp, it kicks the D300 in the but everywhere but in AF design (don't know about performance) and build quality.

So what will the 5D / 3D /7D be? And where is the 1D headed?

narlus
26th of August 2008 (Tue), 11:30
Who cares about a new 5D? You should all just suck it up and go for the 1D or 1Ds - once you've had a 1D you'll never go back.


APS-H sensors don't excite me, nor does the additional 2.5K in cost...

JohnnyG
26th of August 2008 (Tue), 11:36
Who cares about a new 5D? You should all just suck it up and go for the 1D or 1Ds - once you've had a 1D you'll never go back.
Rich boys camera!:D

I'll never afford one of those babies, but one can dream. ;)

Epix
26th of August 2008 (Tue), 11:36
What's the delay on the 5D replacement announcement, you guys think? They announced the successor to the 40D which is a much newer camera then the 5D.

gjl711
26th of August 2008 (Tue), 11:40
What's the delay on the 5D replacement announcement, you guys think? They announced the successor to the 40D which is a much newer camera then the 5D. Waiting for Photokina to maximize the press coverage.

mattograph
26th of August 2008 (Tue), 11:42
Rich boys camera!:D

I'll never afford one of those babies, but one can dream. ;)

Every time I think about the 1D, I then think about the extra $600 it would cost me to pick up the 300 2.8 instead.........


Yum........ glass!

jbuk1975
26th of August 2008 (Tue), 11:44
What's the delay on the 5D replacement announcement, you guys think? They announced the successor to the 40D which is a much newer camera then the 5D.


no idea but I will be dissapointed if they dont announce an upgrade at Photokina or anytime soon

even using the same sensor as the origional 5D except with all the new bells and whistles such as sensor cleaning, better lcd, etc would be good enough for me

Yohan Pamudji
26th of August 2008 (Tue), 13:11
Y'all realize that since the 5D was originally released the XXD line has now seen 3 new models? 30D, 40D, and now 50D. That's not to say they won't unveil the 5DII in the next month, but still. Talk about behind the times!

Yohan Pamudji
26th of August 2008 (Tue), 13:13
Who cares about a new 5D? You should all just suck it up and go for the 1D or 1Ds - once you've had a 1D you'll never go back.

Uh, no. After using 1DII bodies for a couple years I bought a 5D. Still have the 1DII, but it doesn't see daylight nearly as much as the 5D these days. Contrary to popular belief, the 1-series actually do have drawbacks.

fi20100
26th of August 2008 (Tue), 13:45
Y'all realize that since the 5D was originally released the XXD line has now seen 3 new models? 30D, 40D, and now 50D. That's not to say they won't unveil the 5DII in the next month, but still. Talk about behind the times!

Then again I wouldn't think that someone buying a 5D will upgrade as fast as someone buying the 30D for instance... So it's fine by me that they don't update the 5D every 12 months... but every 3 years would be nice, and we're already past that.

scokar
26th of August 2008 (Tue), 19:16
Y'all realize that since the 5D was originally released the XXD line has now seen 3 new models? 30D, 40D, and now 50D. That's not to say they won't unveil the 5DII in the next month, but still. Talk about behind the times!

also recall that soon after the 5D came out, there were rebates and the talk was the 5D was not selling well.

Yohan Pamudji
26th of August 2008 (Tue), 19:59
also recall that soon after the 5D came out, there were rebates and the talk was the 5D was not selling well.

Don't know how true it is that it didn't sell well in the early days, but I didn't buy one until they were $1900 after rebate a couple months ago. $3300 for a 30D feature set with a FF sensor wasn't even close to worth it for me, but $1900 was much better.

Radtech1
26th of August 2008 (Tue), 20:04
UNLESS,

Of course, what if the 5D was just a one time only "stop gap" - to temporarily fill niche on the "PRO" side of PROsumer.

Sort of a Human-Animal-Hybrid, essentially the same body and build as the x0d, but features, IQ (and sensor size) that allow it to play in the 1Ds sandbox.

Now that the 50D has features (including weather sealing) and IQ that place it as close to PRO as it needs to get, well, in that case, perhaps the thought is that the 5 series is redundant.

Maybe, just maybe, the 5 was never meant to be a series - maybe it was just a one-off, a stop-gap to keep the pros buying lenses till the x0d series matured enough to be a pro camera without making an excuse.

After all, they also failed to announce a full frame lens, but instead, we got a miniature lens for a crop body.

I would hate it, but I think we have to consider the possibility.

Rad

Yohan Pamudji
26th of August 2008 (Tue), 20:24
If the 5D were intended as a stop-gap camera, then Canon has inadvertently opened Pandora's box, because where before the 5D there was no such market segment as the "affordable" FF camera, now there is. I seriously doubt Canon will let Nikon own the pricepoint between $2000 & $3500 all to themselves.

gjl711
26th of August 2008 (Tue), 21:06
There is no way the 5D can be considered a stop-gap camera. It is every bit as revolutionary as the original Rebel (300) was. Both those cameras defined a whole new market segment. What happened to Canon is that they did not expect it to take off as it has and was beaten to the punch when affordable FF camera #2 needed to hit the market.

I Simonius
27th of August 2008 (Wed), 06:43
Simon, you couldn't have been further from the truth when you made this thread!!

Grrrr:evil:


But it's not his fault they're a tad slow at Canon...

exactly:lol:

ok just kill this thread already lol
but it's the best and longest and grooviest thread in this forum!:cool:

But the longer the thread is going, the more likely the rumor is to be true
or at least some of it;)

we can't let this thread die until we at least get to 2,000 replies.
yep I bin lookin at the stats too - waay haaay! - 2012!

I never realized this is over two years old. This is the saddest prediction thread ever.

or the most foresighted:p

Maybe it should just morph into the

"What will the 5D MkIII have" thread.

Nice idea but it is too exclusive to do that!

You gotta admit now, though -- this is an interesting development.

They roll out the new processor in the 50D. At 15 mp, it kicks the D300 in the but everywhere but in AF design (don't know about performance) and build quality.

So what will the 5D / 3D /7D be? And where is the 1D headed?

interesting times indeed - the potential is there...someone calculated that a ff sensor with the same pixels as the 50D ( yach ptui) could make 39MP. Dunno is it's true but ththat camaera has a new sensor design, which means the 5D2 could have a new sensor design. Even if the pixels arent as small as the 50D (yach ptui) but larger for better light gathering,they would be more if they included the new microlenses and gapless pixel arrangements

What's the delay on the 5D replacement announcement, you guys think? They announced the successor to the 40D which is a much newer camera then the 5D.

Canon's problem is that everytime , just as they get it ready for production, Chuck Westfall does a final check on this thread and realises "DOH! that's a must have feature for the 5D" ( I have a lot of emails from him thanking us for our input, how invaluable it is etc..) and it's back to the drawing board at Canon HQ!

Fact is we're unlikely to get the 5Dmk2 until we stop making all these brilliant suggestions and predicting.. better we all just sit quietly with our hands folded and turn our mobiles off.

Shhhhhh...;):p

Epix
27th of August 2008 (Wed), 11:27
This comes from a dude that seems to be right a lot lately.

5D Mark II
* 21.1 MP 1.0x
* DIGIC IV
* ISO 100-6400 L:50 & H:12800
* 5 FPS
* 3.2" High Resolution Screen (LCD)
* 19 point AF
* HDMI Out
* Liveview
* HD Movie Mode
* Viewfinder: 100% Coverage
* Full weather sealing
* EF Lenses only

I will scour until I find a leak.... it's coming.www.canonrumors.com

Robert16
27th of August 2008 (Wed), 11:33
50D (yach ptui)
LOL

fi20100
27th of August 2008 (Wed), 11:33
Wouldn't you think they would use the same screen as they use in the 50D? Seems expensive to use too many different ones...

I Simonius
27th of August 2008 (Wed), 19:07
Wouldn't you think they would use the same screen as they use in the 50D? Seems expensive to use too many different ones...

5D is bigger so bigger screen, why not? The price difference compared to the new sensor won't be that much;)

Yohan Pamudji
27th of August 2008 (Wed), 19:24
Why is my too-good-to-be-true alarm going off like crazy after reading those specs?

mattograph
27th of August 2008 (Wed), 23:00
www.canonrumors.com


If this is true, I am all in, as they say at the Casino.

scokar
27th of August 2008 (Wed), 23:40
We better Cease and Desist :)

gjl711
28th of August 2008 (Thu), 00:00
Is Canon saying that we can no longer rumor... WTF... With all the other camera manufacturers quickly out pacing Canon in the new feature game you think Canon would want all the buzz they can get.

jaybird
28th of August 2008 (Thu), 00:27
This comes from a dude that seems to be right a lot lately.

5D Mark II
* 21.1 MP 1.0x
* DIGIC IV
* ISO 100-6400 L:50 & H:12800
* 5 FPS
* 3.2" High Resolution Screen (LCD)
* 19 point AF
* HDMI Out
* Liveview
* HD Movie Mode
* Viewfinder: 100% Coverage
* Full weather sealing
* EF Lenses only

I will scour until I find a leak.... it's coming.


www.canonrumors.com (http://www.canonrumors.com)

I hope it doesn't have HD movie mode. If it does, I'll have to buy a lot more cards!!

TheHoff
28th of August 2008 (Thu), 00:55
Is Canon saying that we can no longer rumor... WTF... With all the other camera manufacturers quickly out pacing Canon in the new feature game you think Canon would want all the buzz they can get.

Nah, it is really about the domain name. Keeping control of the brand is a part of any marketing strategy. If he doesn't give up the domain, they can take it for about $1500 in arbitration fees and then they can sue him. Often it doesn't matter what the website says, whether it is derogatory or a fanboy site or a rumour mill, they won't allow you to use the name in the domain.

gjl711
28th of August 2008 (Thu), 08:30
Nah, it is really about the domain name. Keeping control of the brand is a part of any marketing strategy. If he doesn't give up the domain, they can take it for about $1500 in arbitration fees and then they can sue him. Often it doesn't matter what the website says, whether it is derogatory or a fanboy site or a rumour mill, they won't allow you to use the name in the domain.
Hmm.. that makes sense I suppose.

ulrikft
28th of August 2008 (Thu), 08:41
Nah, it is really about the domain name. Keeping control of the brand is a part of any marketing strategy. If he doesn't give up the domain, they can take it for about $1500 in arbitration fees and then they can sue him. Often it doesn't matter what the website says, whether it is derogatory or a fanboy site or a rumour mill, they won't allow you to use the name in the domain.

The law is not _quite_ that simple. Granted, I study law in Norway, but I have tried to read up on trademarks and american law (quite the messy system you got there btw :P ). Anyway, as long as there is no chance of confusion (short version), there should not be a problem. Sites like "nikonrumors", "macrumors" are not copyrightinfringment afaik.

I'll read up some more and come with my definitive answer and send a bill :P

TheHoff
28th of August 2008 (Thu), 08:48
Ah you know, that is true. I forgot about those sort of rulings. I was only thinking about the hundreds of domains that are taken each day because people want to sell Viagra or some other trademarked name and they use it in their domain.

AdamJL
28th of August 2008 (Thu), 08:49
Either way, it's a pretty stupid move by Canon. They get free advertising. The only legitimate claim I reckon they had was to remove the Canon logo from the site banner. Other than that, it shows what a fairly inept company they can be.

fi20100
28th of August 2008 (Thu), 08:58
One would think they really wanted us to keep on buzzing about these new cameras... else... no buzz... no good.

gjl711
28th of August 2008 (Thu), 09:06
One would think they really wanted us to keep on buzzing about these new cameras... else... no buzz... no good.
Thats what I would figure as well.

I Simonius
29th of August 2008 (Fri), 08:53
He could always change it to 'Kanonrumours';)

I am beginning to have a horrible suspicion that there may never be a 5D sucessor, because they may bring out a new 1D at the bottom end of the 1D range instead, because the 50D covers most prosumers and the most requested features for the 5D2 are pro features.

There is no longer a big enough gap between the 50D and the 1Ds series except for price. If they can bring ina lowe end pro camera they will in preference, maybe a 1D without the built in extra battery/handgrip?

It would also mean they could charge more for it

or ...3D anyone?:rolleyes:

gjl711
29th of August 2008 (Fri), 09:03
...
There is no longer a big enough gap between the 50D and the 1Ds series except for price. If they can bring ina lowe end pro camera they will in preference, maybe a 1D without the built in extra battery/handgrip?
...
If Canon offered a 1D in a 40D body at a price point between the two I’d be there in a sec. I love the focus speed and accuracy of the 1D, it’s outstanding and I am very tempted to go that route, but it’s just too big and heavy.

fi20100
29th of August 2008 (Fri), 09:03
Whatever they bring out, it will have to be a FF camera. It wouldn't make any sense NOT to give the D700 a run for the money.

cyrn
29th of August 2008 (Fri), 10:34
He could always change it to 'Kanonrumours';)


Or if he wants to punk Canon...use "Kwanonrumours"...

http://www.canon.com/camera-museum/history/canon_story/1933_1936/1933_1936.html

It's most likely not under Canon's trademark... since they no longer uses that name.

cyrn
29th of August 2008 (Fri), 10:36
If Canon offered a 1D in a 40D body at a price point between the two I’d be there in a sec. I love the focus speed and accuracy of the 1D, it’s outstanding and I am very tempted to go that route, but it’s just too big and heavy.

ummm... did you read the thread on 1st impression of the 50D... the AF is said to be faster than 1D3 :eek:

cyrn
29th of August 2008 (Fri), 10:39
The law is not _quite_ that simple. Granted, I study law in Norway, but I have tried to read up on trademarks and american law (quite the messy system you got there btw :P ). Anyway, as long as there is no chance of confusion (short version), there should not be a problem. Sites like "nikonrumors", "macrumors" are not copyrightinfringment afaik.

I'll read up some more and come with my definitive answer and send a bill :P

If I'm not wrong it's Canon Jap that owns the trademark. But IIRC domain names doesn't fall under trademark.

*edit* Canon's trademark includes the red "canon" word which POTN is using too.

mattograph
29th of August 2008 (Fri), 11:08
If I'm not wrong it's Canon Jap that owns the trademark. But IIRC domain names doesn't fall under trademark.

*edit* Canon's trademark includes the red "canon" word which POTN is using too.

POTN uses the word "canon", but not the logo. I would imagine the red is different.

I wonder......

There is one very certain difference between here and Canon Rumors. Canon Rumors is a ad supported blog. The trademark "canon" is used to attract potential consumers to a site where they may spend money to the profit of the owner. POTN is a free service that is supported totally through the donation of the participants (and Pekka's checking account). Since this is a non-commercial site, I will bet that Canon leaves it alone.

Notice the marketplace rules......

Which makes me wonder, again. If the Canonrumors.com site dropped its advertising, would they be okay?

cyrn
29th of August 2008 (Fri), 11:18
POTN uses the word "canon", but not the logo. I would imagine the red is different.


Canon logo on the top right.

http://www.canon.com/

Yeah.. font is different.. so this will be up to the judge to decide (if canon decides to take it up).

davewolfs
29th of August 2008 (Fri), 13:52
...

cyrn
29th of August 2008 (Fri), 14:11
dHitman seems to be spreading most of these rumors. Turns out that he may have worked for Canon too.

http://www.trekearth.com/read.php?f=2&t=298470&m=430055

Possibly him:

http://www.jinolee.com.sg/gallery/3246059

He have posted in our local forum that his information were all from the vines in the net. (but that post was deleted)

dadCameraGuy
29th of August 2008 (Fri), 16:08
darn, i was gonna create a new rumor site too, but darn it, they've already got the name

http://www.camerarumors.com/2008/08/canon-5d-mark-ii-with-21mp-sensor-and.html

notice they've already covered the 5d rumor

I Simonius
29th of August 2008 (Fri), 17:37
darn, i was gonna create a new rumor site too, but darn it, they've already got the name

http://www.camerarumors.com/2008/08/canon-5d-mark-ii-with-21mp-sensor-and.html

notice they've already covered the 5d rumor

21MP - wow! -- but I hope they're better than the 1ds3 that I tried, reds in berries looked really crunchy. Overall it lacked the quality of light that te current 5D has:(

At least the 50D hads new sensor technology so I hope thay can incorporate that technoogy into the 5D2

gjl711
30th of August 2008 (Sat), 07:36
darn, i was gonna create a new rumor site too, but darn it, they've already got the name

http://www.camerarumors.com/2008/08/canon-5d-mark-ii-with-21mp-sensor-and.html

notice they've already covered the 5d rumor The 5D with video? What a strange body to put it into. Makes no sense. Must be a rumor. :)

I Simonius
31st of August 2008 (Sun), 04:48
at last!
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1032&message=29139579

wipes sweat from fevered brow.....;)

but these predicted specs look a little optimistic to me (especially HD movie - yach ptui, ptui, pah, pah:evil:)


21.1 MP 1.0x
DIGIC IV
ISO 100-6400 L:50 & H:12800
5 FPS
3.2″ High Resolution Screen (LCD)
19 point AF
HDMI Out
Liveview
HD Movie Mode
Viewfinder: 100% Coverage
Full weather sealing
EF Lenses only

gjl711
31st of August 2008 (Sun), 13:08
The last line is interesting. As video moves into the SLR market I guess it's a distinct possibility. Has Nikon started the beginning of the end for still photography?

I Simonius
31st of August 2008 (Sun), 18:24
The last line is interesting. As video moves into the SLR market I guess it's a distinct possibility. Has Nikon started the beginning of the end for still photography?

If they go with Video in these cameras Im going large format! :evil::lol:

Radtech1
31st of August 2008 (Sun), 19:28
The last line is interesting. As video moves into the SLR market I guess it's a distinct possibility. Has Nikon started the beginning of the end for still photography?

I am hoping for a feature that would automatically put funny thought bubbles or baloons on the pictures! Dat wud b kewl.
:lol:

Yohan Pamudji
31st of August 2008 (Sun), 20:14
at last!
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1032&message=29139579

wipes sweat from fevered brow.....;)

but these predicted specs look a little optimistic to me (especially HD movie - yach ptui, ptui, pah, pah:evil:)


21.1 MP 1.0x
DIGIC IV
ISO 100-6400 L:50 & H:12800
5 FPS
3.2″ High Resolution Screen (LCD)
19 point AF
HDMI Out
Liveview
HD Movie Mode
Viewfinder: 100% Coverage
Full weather sealing
EF Lenses only

Still think these specs are too good to be true, but let's assume for a second they really are true. Hey, I'm bored, ok? Back off! :D

Aside from all of the other awesome specs that taken together form a camera I'd be content to use for a long, long time (until video completely replaces still photography and I have to learn a new skillset :rolleyes:), the one that really caught my eye was the ISO. Notice that the highest native ISO before expansion is 6400, which is 2 stops higher than the 1600 of the 5D. Comparing the 50D, which has a max native of 3200 (1 stop better than 40D's 1600) and is 1 - 1.5 stops better in noise performance than the 40D (again, assuming for the sake of argument that word of mouth from Canon is true), the fact that the 5DII's max native ISO is 2 stops higher than the 5D's makes me think it'll have at least 2 stops better noise performance than the 5D. So instead of shooting at 3200 I can shoot at 6400 to shore up shaky shutter speeds and have it be as "clean" as 1600 on the 5D to boot? Where do I sign up?

That's amazing, and no mistake.

Either that or pull the other one, it doth have bells on.

SilverOnemi
31st of August 2008 (Sun), 21:27
Still think these specs are too good to be true, but let's assume for a second they really are true. Hey, I'm bored, ok? Back off! :D

Aside from all of the other awesome specs that taken together form a camera I'd be content to use for a long, long time (until video completely replaces still photography and I have to learn a new skillset :rolleyes:), the one that really caught my eye was the ISO. Notice that the highest native ISO before expansion is 6400, which is 2 stops higher than the 1600 of the 5D. Comparing the 50D, which has a max native of 3200 (1 stop better than 40D's 1600) and is 1 - 1.5 stops better in noise performance than the 40D (again, assuming for the sake of argument that word of mouth from Canon is true), the fact that the 5DII's max native ISO is 2 stops higher than the 5D's makes me think it'll have at least 2 stops better noise performance than the 5D. So instead of shooting at 3200 I can shoot at 6400 to shore up shaky shutter speeds and have it be as "clean" as 1600 on the 5D to boot? Where do I sign up?

That's amazing, and no mistake.

Either that or pull the other one, it doth have bells on.


well i think from iso 1600 to 3200 it's a 2 stop range, canon said 1.5 stops has i recall corretly.
yet they did said you should be able to get the same results on a 50D iso 3200 shot compared with a canon 40D iso 1000 to 1600 ( now ain't this more than 1.5 stop range ? ) and yet... the iso from the 40D ain't real :confused:

Sfordphoto
1st of September 2008 (Mon), 01:33
http://gizmodo.com/5043240/unconfirmed-more-canon-eos-5d-mark-ii-specs-leak-lookin-good

simliar to whats been posted here already:

* 21.1 MP 1.0x
* DIGIC IV
* ISO 100-6400 L:50 & H:12800
* 5 FPS
* 3.2" High Resolution Screen (LCD)
* 19 point AF
* HDMI Out
* Liveview
* HD Movie Mode
* Viewfinder: 100% Coverage
* Full weather sealing
* EF Lenses only

a little too good to be true, in my opinion, but welcomed (of course) nonetheless.

for me, the weathersealing, 5fps, iso range, and 100% vf are features i wanted to see! movie mode would be pretty cool too. 21mp sensor is obviously a awesome thing, but only if it can deliver in the noise dept.

I Simonius
1st of September 2008 (Mon), 04:36
I am hoping for a feature that would automatically put funny thought bubbles or baloons on the pictures! Dat wud b kewl.


gets my vote!:lol:


Aside from all of the other awesome specs that taken together form a camera I'd be content to use for a long, long time (until video completely replaces still photography and I have to learn a new skillset :rolleyes:), the one that really caught my eye was the ISO. Notice that the highest native ISO before expansion is 6400, which is 2 stops higher than the 1600 of the 5D. Comparing the 50D, which has a max native of 3200 (1 stop better than 40D's 1600) and is 1 - 1.5 stops better in noise performance than the 40D (again, assuming for the sake of argument that word of mouth from Canon is true), the fact that the 5DII's max native ISO is 2 stops higher than the 5D's makes me think it'll have at least 2 stops better noise performance than the 5D. So instead of shooting at 3200 I can shoot at 6400 to shore up shaky shutter speeds and have it be as "clean" as 1600 on the 5D to boot? Where do I sign up?

Either that or pull the other one, it doth have bells on.

What this suggests to me, more importantly for my style, is an increased DR. Lets hope its true!

- Either that or pulleth also mine other, as bells thereupon doth it likewise have



simliar to whats been posted here already:

* 21.1 MP 1.0x
* DIGIC IV
* ISO 100-6400 L:50 & H:12800
* 5 FPS
* 3.2" High Resolution Screen (LCD)
* 19 point AF
* HDMI Out
* Liveview
* HD Movie Mode
* Viewfinder: 100% Coverage
* Full weather sealing
* EF Lenses only

a little too good to be true, in my opinion, but welcomed (of course) nonetheless.

for me, the weathersealing, 5fps, iso range, and 100% vf are features i wanted to see! movie mode would be pretty cool too. 21mp sensor is obviously a awesome thing, but only if it can deliver in the noise dept.

if them thar specs (highlighted in rouge) are true I shall be sorely missed.... I mean.. sorely impressed!

The two biggies I was after the more MPs and the larger VF will make me ahappy chappy as will extra AF points. The rest is nice but HD and liveview - I ain't bovvered;):D

However I shall be surprised if it is as much as 21MP.. but do think it's just a=bout possible, the current 5D hada life of 3 yrs, it will need 21MP if they want to get another 3 yrs out of the next one

rodolfocorona
3rd of September 2008 (Wed), 00:48
BH Rebate on 40D and 5D sounds that is some thing there!!!

and the date " Expires 09/28/08 " :cool:

well we know the 50D its a fact but the 5D II come closer day by day

I Simonius
3rd of September 2008 (Wed), 03:59
I just hope that if it is 21MP that it's not the same sensor as the 1Ds3, but instead uses the same technology as the 50D sensor;)

TheHoff
3rd of September 2008 (Wed), 04:16
http://www.stealthmonkey.com/pictures/forums/CatPleaseDontLetThisThreadDie.jpg

fi20100
3rd of September 2008 (Wed), 04:18
I just hope that if it is 21MP that it's not the same sensor as the 1Ds3, but instead uses the same technology as the 50D sensor;)

+1 :)

fashioneyes
3rd of September 2008 (Wed), 04:20
+1 :)

As you can guess I'm no expert on this ... but what's wrong with the 21MP sensor from the DS ?

fi20100
3rd of September 2008 (Wed), 04:40
As you can guess I'm no expert on this ... but what's wrong with the 21MP sensor from the DS ?

Nothing is wrong with it, but the 50D has a newer and better sensor technology... so why use something old? :)

Meaty0
3rd of September 2008 (Wed), 06:41
I just hope that if it is 21MP that it's not the same sensor as the 1Ds3, but instead uses the same technology as the 50D sensor;)

21MP!! My hard drive ain't going to like dat:shock:

And I have that warm fuzzy feeling now that you have your "proper" avatar back Simmy

I Simonius
3rd of September 2008 (Wed), 07:45
21MP!! My hard drive ain't going to like dat:shock:

And I have that warm fuzzy feeling now that you have your "proper" avatar back Simmy

har har:p
:lol:


Nothing is wrong with it, but the 50D has a newer and better sensor technology... so why use something old? :)

also I did try the 1Ds3 on two occasions and for outside shooting I ididnt like it, unless the exposure and lighting were absolutely spot on it didnt impress. The ideal studio camera IMVHO;)

Tell you what else I noticed though witha 21MP sensor - it's much more sensitive to camera movement - you really need to have your technique down pat otherwise pics look blurry on shots you couls have got away with on the 5D- mindyou that's what you'd expect with pixels half the size!

gjl711
3rd of September 2008 (Wed), 09:31
21MP!! My hard drive ain't going to like dat:shock:..Hard drives are cheap these days.

mattograph
3rd of September 2008 (Wed), 10:02
Hard drives are cheap these days.


Good thing, too.:)

sadatk
3rd of September 2008 (Wed), 10:05
If the sraws are pixel binned like they are in the 50D, sign me up!

http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?p=6222952

mattograph
3rd of September 2008 (Wed), 10:13
I CAN"T WAIT ANYMORE!!!!

I will buy anything, today, from Canon with the 5D MKII Logo on it!!!!!!

*man, I sound like an idiot........*

gjl711
3rd of September 2008 (Wed), 10:19
I CAN"T WAIT ANYMORE!!!!

I will buy anything, today, from Canon with the 5D MKII Logo on it!!!!!!

*man, I sound like an idiot........* Does it have to be a real logo? I'm pretty good with photoshop and I'm sure I can whip one up to put on my A1. The A1 is a full frame ya know. ;):)

mattograph
3rd of September 2008 (Wed), 10:30
Does it have to be a real logo? I'm pretty good with photoshop and I'm sure I can whip one up to put on my A1. The A1 is a full frame ya know. ;):)

Serve it up!

Do you take paypal?:)

Trainboy
3rd of September 2008 (Wed), 12:46
Tell you what else I noticed though witha 21MP sensor - it's much more sensitive to camera movement - you really need to have your technique down pat otherwise pics look blurry on shots you couls have got away with on the 5D- mindyou that's what you'd expect with pixels half the size!
Uh oh, so I'm in for ANOTHER shock? When I moved from SLR to DSLR, I realized that I couldn't in fact shoot at 1/4 of a second steadily, and now it's going to get worse? =(
Hard drives are cheap these days.
I agree, that's why I have no problem with the occasional 2GB chimping session. I'm going to go out in a couple weeks and pick up 500 gigs of storage to put all my movies on....

I Simonius
3rd of September 2008 (Wed), 14:09
Uh oh, so I'm in for ANOTHER shock? When I moved from SLR to DSLR, I realized that I couldn't in fact shoot at 1/4 of a second steadily, and now it's going to get worse? =(


yup - no morning after shooting or pics will come out yucky;)

Yohan Pamudji
3rd of September 2008 (Wed), 15:13
Hard drives are cheap these days.

At 21MP and 14-bit, it's not just storage that's an issue. My PC would choke on those huge files trying to work on them in Lightroom. I've got a PC upgrade budgeted for the near future just to work smoothly with 12MP files from a 5D, and now I might be dealing with more than double the filesize? Yikes. Pretty soon we'll need server farms just to process these things.

TheHoff
3rd of September 2008 (Wed), 15:17
At 21MP and 14-bit, it's not just storage that's an issue. My PC would choke on those huge files trying to work on them in Lightroom. I've got a PC upgrade budgeted for the near future just to work smoothly with 12MP files from a 5D, and now I might be dealing with more than double the filesize? Yikes. Pretty soon we'll need server farms just to process these things.

The longer you wait, the more capable the upgrade will be. If you want to be on the cutting edge of camera technology you should expect to match it by being on the cutting edge of PC technology as well -- multiple core processors, 8 gigs of RAM, terabyte hard drives, etc. You can't be high-end on the camera and then mid-level on the PC.

collierportraits
3rd of September 2008 (Wed), 15:38
Amusing part of this thread - AND frustrating...

is that this thread was started in APRIL of 2006! Predicting that the camera wouldn't actually be announced until Sept. of 2007. Well, we're sitting on a year after that and these predictions just keep coming...

All I know is... When it comes, IT better live up to the wait...

I Simonius
3rd of September 2008 (Wed), 17:15
The longer you wait, the more capable the upgrade will be. If you want to be on the cutting edge of camera technology you should expect to match it by being on the cutting edge of PC technology as well -- multiple core processors, 8 gigs of RAM, terabyte hard drives, etc. You can't be high-end on the camera and then mid-level on the PC.

So what kinda PC processors we gonna need for this??? (http://blog.wired.com/gadgets/2008/09/red-takes-aim-a.html):eek::eek::eek:



All I know is... When it comes, IT better live up to the wait...

If the above is anything to go by we ain't seen nuttin' yet!:eek::cool:

Yohan Pamudji
3rd of September 2008 (Wed), 17:59
The longer you wait, the more capable the upgrade will be. If you want to be on the cutting edge of camera technology you should expect to match it by being on the cutting edge of PC technology as well -- multiple core processors, 8 gigs of RAM, terabyte hard drives, etc. You can't be high-end on the camera and then mid-level on the PC.

Sad but true. Photography hardware + PC hardware + PC software--it all adds up so quickly.

I'm on the fence about 64-bit OS (I do other things besides process photos on my main machine), so depending on that I'd go either 4GB or 8GB. I'm also still on the fence about dual vs. quad, although I'm leaning toward a faster dual since I think that would benefit me more where it matters most--viewing images while making adjustments to them. I have a light workload so can afford to have the import/export be slower with 2 cores (can just start import/export and leave to grab some food or a show or whatever) as long as the realtime adjustments, previews, and zooming in/out are faster.

21MP + 14 bits still make me shudder.

Meaty0
3rd of September 2008 (Wed), 20:14
So what kinda PC processors we gonna need for this??? (http://blog.wired.com/gadgets/2008/09/red-takes-aim-a.html):eek::eek::eek:




If the above is anything to go by we ain't seen nuttin' yet!:eek::cool:

Well my comp has slowed down since I started feeding Photoshop these 120Mb image files that have several layers in 16 BIT.

I've started planning my next computer and it's going to be a dual quad core processor server board with LOTS of very fast hard drives and as much memory as the puny Photoshop we have now will handle. We really need a 64 BIT program to handle these 21MP images.

Meaty0
3rd of September 2008 (Wed), 20:19
Sad but true. Photography hardware + PC hardware + PC software--it all adds up so quickly.

I'm on the fence about 64-bit OS (I do other things besides process photos on my main machine), so depending on that I'd go either 4GB or 8GB.

That's the wall we all hit at the moment. Even if you have a 64 bit OS, Photoshop (and every other processing program) is still 32 bit. So we might as well stick to our crappy 32 bit OS and its highly limiting 4Gb max RAM:( Hurry up Adobe...get that 64 Bit version of Photoshop out soon...well at least before the 5D MkII:D

Meaty0
3rd of September 2008 (Wed), 20:21
har har:p

Troll!:evil:

TheHoff
3rd of September 2008 (Wed), 20:22
Even if you have a 64 bit OS, Photoshop (and every other processing program) is still 32 bit.

LR2-64 runs well on Vista-64; and with all of the adjustment features in LR2 you can pretty much stay out of PS except for a few certain things.

Meaty0
3rd of September 2008 (Wed), 20:26
LR2-64 runs well on Vista-64; and with all of the adjustment features in LR2 you can pretty much stay out of PS except for a few certain things.

Oooo that's good to hear. I've been holding off building a new comp waiting for something like this. If LR2 is working in 64 bit, then a working 64Bit Photoshop can't be far behind. Trouble is, I wonder if all the Plug-ins will work too?:confused:

Yohan Pamudji
3rd of September 2008 (Wed), 21:51
Oooo that's good to hear. I've been holding off building a new comp waiting for something like this. If LR2 is working in 64 bit, then a working 64Bit Photoshop can't be far behind. Trouble is, I wonder if all the Plug-ins will work too?:confused:

Yeah, I do the bulk of my work in LR, and now that LR2 is out with some nice cloning/healing/dodging/burning features I almost never go to PS. I'd be moving from 2GB, so even 4GB would be a huge jump, but in a perfect world (i.e. Vista64 working with all 32-bit apps and having full driver support for all devices) I'd choose Vista64 for the ability to go beyond 4GB.

By the way, the next version of PS will have both a 32-bit and a 64-bit version available for Windows, while 32-bit only for Mac. Straight from the horse's mouth:

http://blogs.adobe.com/jnack/2008/04/photoshop_lr_64.html

FlyingPhotog
4th of September 2008 (Thu), 01:59
So, according to my local brick and mortar guru, Canon is no longer supplying the current 5D as body only, nor in the "big kit" with lens and bag.

The only itteration they can currently get is the 5D + 24-105 kit.

Make of this what you will...

Meaty0
4th of September 2008 (Thu), 02:14
Oooo...the 5D MkII must reeeeaaal close; I feel it in me water....again!

BugEyes
4th of September 2008 (Thu), 02:50
Probably old news to most of you, but on the 23'rd we will now more about PS CS4...
http://adobe.istreamplanet.com/

I Simonius
4th of September 2008 (Thu), 04:15
Troll!:evil:

:lol:
yes, but what does it all mean?

Tenterhooks. That's all I have to say: Tenterhooks:p

It makes us all act strange, odd, bizarre, unconventional if you will. The suspense is intolerable I tell you! 5d2 in Sept - YES!

......anyway c'mon, you gotta admit the new avatar is colourful;):D

I Simonius
4th of September 2008 (Thu), 13:58
http://www.muller-photo-service.fr/boutique/nikon-boitier-p-1922-1_3.html

that's gotta hurt Canon!:eek::lol:

Epix
4th of September 2008 (Thu), 14:14
I'd rather Canon release a 6D then reinvigorate the 5D.

astropaulo
4th of September 2008 (Thu), 14:30
Did you guys see that Hasselblad is coming out with a 50 megapix camera? 300 meg files! You'll need some computing power for that.

AdamJL
4th of September 2008 (Thu), 14:59
http://www.muller-photo-service.fr/boutique/nikon-boitier-p-1922-1_3.html

that's gotta hurt Canon!:eek::lol:

Good. Canon need a boot up the arse.

mattograph
4th of September 2008 (Thu), 16:10
Good. Canon need a boot up the arse.

I seriously doubt Nikon will out Megapixel Canon. That's where all of Canon's eggs are right now.

Unless they are building the D4 around the Sony Sensor, maybe......

Radtech1
4th of September 2008 (Thu), 16:22
Did you guys see that Hasselblad is coming out with a 50 megapix camera? 300 meg files! You'll need some computing power for that.

Talk about an instant antique! Phase One announced thier 60mp full frame back in the middle of July.

http://luminous-landscape.com/reviews/cameras/p65-announced.shtml

Rad

Nortelbert
4th of September 2008 (Thu), 16:26
Back to the 5D... or 7D:

http://www.image-nature.com/nouveau_numero.html

TheHoff
4th of September 2008 (Thu), 16:34
Too funny. These leaks, or viral buzz generators, are entertaining. Too bad it doesn't include a photo on the cover.

I Simonius
4th of September 2008 (Thu), 17:23
Back to the 5D... or 7D:

http://www.image-nature.com/nouveau_numero.html

Zut alors mais j'ai envie d'un 5D edition deux- je ne suis pas encore pret pour un 7D - merde!:lol:

Radtech1
4th of September 2008 (Thu), 17:40
Zut alors mais j'ai envie d'un 5D edition deux- je ne suis pas encore pret pour un 7D - merde!:lol:

Thank god for Babel Fish:

Zut then but j' want d' a 5D edition two I am not yet ready for a 7D - ****!:lol:

Meaty0
5th of September 2008 (Fri), 07:20
......anyway c'mon, you gotta admit the new avatar is colourful;):D

....yeah...like chunder right after a big feed of Mexican food:D (we Colonials have such a way with words:D).

now bring back the little troll guy

fi20100
5th of September 2008 (Fri), 07:26
Stuff are starting to happen!

http://www.canon.com/moon/en/index.html

lowcrust
5th of September 2008 (Fri), 07:50
Definitely a 5D-ish camera there! That phat prisma looks lovely! w000000t!!!!

Radtech1
5th of September 2008 (Fri), 08:51
Stuff are starting to happen!

http://www.canon.com/moon/en/index.html

Luminous Landscape believes the site is legit:

"Canon has just added a mysterious teaser to its US website. The page shows a silhouette of a camera with the words 'Destined Evolution.' Maybe it will be updated to include more detail in the future, we don't know. It's almost as if the company is building up to the launch of a camera to replace one of its older models. We have no specific information but it doesn't require any profound market insight to predict an EOS 5D replacement is coming."

and:

"Meanwhile, Canon's European sites have started to feature banners suggesting that "the EOS story continues," and showing glimpses of a camera with a large prism bulge." http://www.canon.co.uk/

fi20100
5th of September 2008 (Fri), 09:09
:D:D:D

Meaty0
5th of September 2008 (Fri), 09:21
Crack a big smile everyone -- our time is nigh!

A "slight" bit more revealed on the Flash intro HERE (http://cweb.canon.jp/camera/eosd/index.html)

tom1s
5th of September 2008 (Fri), 09:31
I have to admit, I've been watching this thread (and the many others like it) with amusment, but now I'm getting excited. I didn't think I would, but the force has finally tickled my brain.

Yohan Pamudji
5th of September 2008 (Fri), 10:48
Luminous Landscape believes the site is legit:

It's at www.canon.com! How could it not be legit? :)

Yohan Pamudji
5th of September 2008 (Fri), 10:50
Crack a big smile everyone -- our time is nigh!

A "slight" bit more revealed on the Flash intro HERE (http://cweb.canon.jp/camera/eosd/index.html)

Hahaaa! I was expecting more than just more of the silhouette :lol: