NEW 5D RUMOUR !!

[Radtech1]

It's at www.canon.com! How could it not be legit? :)

So just swing on by www.yourbank.honest.really.com and type in all your passwords and stuff. I mean, "How could it not be legit?"

:rolleyes:

[Yohan Pamudji]

So just swing on by www.yourbank.honest.really.com (http://www.yourbank.honest.really.com) and type in all your passwords and stuff. I mean, "How could it not be legit?"

:rolleyes:

If it were a link at www.canon.no-but-seriously.com, I'd doubt it too. www.canon.com = legit.

[yuriyo923]

SWEET!!!! It's comming!!!

[I Simonius]

Thank god for Babel Fish:
:lol:
....yeah...like chunder right after a big feed of Mexican food:D (we Colonials have such a way with words:D).

now bring back the little troll guy

agh that is horribly accurate -but Lil troll guy comes back only when Canon gives me a 5Dmk2 and not before!( Unless I decide to reinstate him before - he's actually on holiday in Ireland at the moment;)

Definitely a 5D-ish camera there! That phat prisma looks lovely! w000000t!!!!

gimme gimme:cool:

"Meanwhile, Canon's European sites have started to feature banners suggesting that "the EOS story continues," and showing glimpses of a camera with a large prism bulge." http://www.canon.co.uk/

man they sure know how to tease!

I LOVE their SOH!:lol:

Tell you what though folks, notice the lack of mode knob? That means one of two things - either the new 5D will have full weather sealing:D, or it aint a 5D:evil:

[mattograph]

Crack a big smile everyone -- our time is nigh!

A "slight" bit more revealed on the Flash intro HERE (http://cweb.canon.jp/camera/eosd/index.html)

I just drew all over my monitor is sharpie to measure it.

I came out with 2.25" x 3"

The 5D is 4.4" x 6"

The scale seems right on!

BTW: What can I use to get sharpie of my monitor?

[ALaS]

english version! http://www.canon.com/moon/en/index.html

[AdamJL]

^ posted like a billion times.

[ALaS]

Thanks for the update.

[I Simonius]

I bet they add tiny bits to it as time goes on...;)

[symbolphoto]

I'm sure i'm not the only one.... but it had to be tried;

http://www.tuffguyphotography.com/Bastards.jpg

[AdamJL]

nope you're not the only one. Also been posted a billion times on a billion different forums.

And yes, I'm prone to hyperbolise

[dadCameraGuy]

I bet they add tiny bits to it as time goes on...;)

this is almost like watching the rumor sites for the mac... anticipation growing!

[FlyingPhotog]

Tossed this theory out on one or two of the other threads:

The Canon flash animation appears to be in sync with the current phase of the moon.

The next full moon is Monday, September 15...

You heard it here first! ;)

[Tom W]

I bet they add tiny bits to it as time goes on...;)

I think they already did - at least one day's worth. We'll have to watch it for a couple of days to know for certain. It's definately different from the present-day 5D.

[BenJammin]

I'm sure i'm not the only one.... but it had to be tried;

http://www.tuffguyphotography.com/Bastards.jpg

Hahahaha that is hilarious! Nice try. lol. This thread is ridiculous.


So who thinks Canon will deliver and come back out on top? ;)

[Sfordphoto]

they will come up on top when they provide user customizable shutter sounds to be played out of speakers on their SLRs. i think it will be very comforting to any up and coming P&Sers.

[pgruiz123]

Anticipation is making me wait. (oh wait that is Heinz ketchup.):lol:

[Paparazzo]

Over the years, as the talk and rumours of a new 5D have come and gone, this year has to be the most fevered pitched. I have to admit the teasers being released by Canon are starting to make it actually seem plausible for a change.

I can imagine the Canon executives, reading with the delight the flurry of postings on this forum as each tease or slightly realistic rumour is released.

I can also imagine Canon headquarters worldwide being burned to the ground by angry mobs carrying pitchforks and old 5D's, if they again do not release a new model of the 5D at Photokina2008.

[FlyingPhotog]

Over the years, as the talk and rumours of a new 5D have come and gone, this year has to be the most fevered pitched. I have to admit the teasers being released by Canon are starting to make it actually seem plausible for a change.

I can imagine the Canon executives, reading with the delight the flurry of postings on this forum as each tease or slightly realistic rumour is released.

I can also imagine Canon headquarters worldwide being burned to the ground by angry mobs carrying pitchforks and old 5D's, if they again do not release a new model of the 5D at Photokina2008.

I have a lovely shot of a pitchfork taken with my 5D .. I'll bring it... ;)

[Chandler.]

While wondering what this next camera will be named, I came upon this from the Canon Camera Museum:

Instead of being a next-generation successor to the F-1, this camera was called the "New F-1," and not the "F-2." With the first F-1 in 1971, Canon promised that the camera would remain unchanged for 10 years. This promise was fulfilled. During those ten years, there were remarkable advances in electronics, precision manufacturing, and optics. The successor to the top-of-the-line F-1 had to incorporate the best electronic technology for better automation, versatility, and specifications.

Even with all the changes that happened over the last 3 years, our new camera could just be called "The New 5D," no matter how different or revolutionary it is.

[I Simonius]

Tossed this theory out on one or two of the other threads:

The Canon flash animation appears to be in sync with the current phase of the moon.

The next full moon is Monday, September 15...

You heard it here first! ;)

Why, you're right I did!:lol:

they will come up on top when they provide user customizable shutter sounds to be played out of speakers on their SLRs. i think it will be very comforting to any up and coming P&Sers.

Now we're talking! Like the costomisable display modes etc for jpg output, but for the shutter sounds. Hopefully you can input your own - I want a very loud "Raaaaaasthp!" on mine!:lol:

While wondering what this next camera will be named, I came upon this from the Canon Camera Museum:



Even with all the changes that happened over the last 3 years, our new camera could just be called "The New 5D," no matter how different or revolutionary it is.

I seem to remember the F1 successor was called the 'F1n'. non? If I'm right we could be looking at a 5Dn...?hmmm 5d mk2 sounds better to me;):p

--------------------
Actually has anyone noticed that the camera here http://www.canon.co.uk/ doesnt have any buttons or mode dial at all?
Is this a new streamlined model perchance?

[Meaty0]

This thread is ridiculous.

:(:evil:


A little bit more outline off the Jap site shows it's got one huge camel hump on it ... must be to store the coffee in for the built-in espresso machine!

http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/1487/5dmkiiik9.jpg

[mattograph]

I'm sure i'm not the only one.... but it had to be tried;

http://www.tuffguyphotography.com/Bastards.jpg

Not to be rude to the Canon marketing guys but.....

"Destined" in a transitive verb, so, unless my english fails me, shouldn't this be

Destined to evolve......

or

Destination Evolution......

[sadatk]

Isn't destined an adjective?

[mattograph]

Isn't destined an adjective?

Not until canon got ahold of it!:)

[sadatk]

http://localhostr.com/files/9a68bc/Picture+1.png

[mattograph]

http://localhostr.com/files/9a68bc/Picture+1.png


Well, I'll be.

I thought by checking websters I had covered my bases. But merriam missed that one.

Learn something new everyday!:)

[Sfordphoto]

My ideal 5D mkII

12-15mp, gapless, low voltage, etc (stuff already on 50D)
Originally I'd be happy with 12mp, but I know Canon will be a mp whore and use the 50D's 15mp as justification to cram more mp in. My guess is that the actual 5D mkII will have 18+ mp.

14-bit depth

5fps advance rate

Single Digic IV (not sure if this is feasible, considering 15mp@6.3fps, 14bit is what the 50D does, but I doubt they'd put dual procs in)

20 or so RAW frames buffer

3" LCD, hopefully nothing larger if it costs in terms of ergonomics (kinda pissed at the 40/50D's bottom row of buttons). 920k dot

Live view, anti-dust shaker & features, ISO in viewfinder since this is all pretty standard now. AF fine tuning, Auto lighting optimizer (or whatever its called), Anti-vignetting...all stuff on the 50D already.

ISO 100-6400, L50 & H12800

and here's where it gets controversial:

Complete weather sealing, including around lens mount

No built in flash (unless they're planning on changing their remote flash triggering system). Don't use the built-in mainly because my lenses with their hoods are normally too big. No mode dial, instead a button + dial turn similar to the 1D series.

New, well-molded battery grip with an AF-on button, made of magnesium alloy. No more plastic, horribly molded stuff. Redesigned batteries, including ability to use one of those high-capacity ones that the 1D uses.

100% viewfinder coverage with 0.74x or so magnification (up from 0.71x on the 5D. 1Ds has 100% coverage with 0.76x and Nikon D700 has 95% coverage with 0.74x)

20 or so point AF, with larger VF coverage than already present on the original 5D. I usually only use the middle one anyway, but more points for more coverage.

oh and a blue backlight for the top LCD, in line with the 1D series :D

price? $3000-3500 body only

Main things I'm looking to upgrade to from my 40D, in order of importance to me:
full frame (i like portraits)
cleaner ISOs and very clean 3200 and 6400, also larger ISO range and a 2+ stop improvement in noise over the 40D (easy, if what people are saying is true about the 1-1.5 stop improvement on 50D)
larger viewfinder (though I think this and clean ISO are all part of #1, full frame)
weather sealing
more solid, better designed batt grip option
more res on the LCD, since whatever res they had before is a bit too low for 3"

To sum it up, pretty please, Canon, make a 1Ds mkIII for about $3,000 :D (with less mp, better ISO, slightly smaller VF, and no built in grip). I would love you so much. Who cares if the 1Ds cost $8,000...those people paid to have it first.

[dahl]

Longest thread ever?
I'll miss it, when (or if) the new 5D comes out.

:)

[Meaty0]

Longest thread ever?
I'll miss it, when (or if) the new 5D comes out.

:)

Don't worry. It'll still be around; just with a slight name change. I think it will be called the "New 5D MkIII" or perhaps the "New 6D" thread.

Or more likely, "Why the **** does my 5D MkII keep giving me Error 99 messages".:D

[Sfordphoto]

"5D mkII not hitting 5 fps"

[pgruiz123]

It will be called "5D MKII not hitting 5.2486395628343978234 fps."

[rodolfocorona]

this is the longest post that I ever see in my life!!!!

[lalelulelo]

?Que

[Sfordphoto]

this is the longest post that I ever see in my life!!!!

which post? or did u mean thread?

[AdamJL]

There are plenty of longer threads about.

[robvonk]

this is the longest post that I ever see in my life!!!!

Thats because of people like you. Your off-topic post makes this thread uselessly longer.. :)

[lowcrust]

Exactly! Keep it on-topicly off-topic!

[tom1s]

POST! What the heck. I wanna be a part of this thead.

[Red Dot]

take a look at this from another thread on POTN.
http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showpost.php?p=6258457&postcount=416

[I Simonius]

POST! What the heck. I wanna be a part of this thead.

Once the 5Dmk2 is released and the whoops of joy have settled, then this thread will have served it's porpoise and then every one who contributed will be entered in to a prize draw to recieve a special 5Dmk2 sweety ( bon bon):cool:

Now if that's not exciting I don't know what is;):D
:lol:

[JohnnyG]

Once the 5Dmk2 is released and the whoops of joy have settled, then this thread will have served it's porpoise and then every one who contributed will be entered in to a prize draw to recieve a special 5Dmk2 sweety ( bon bon):cool:

Now if that's not exciting I don't know what is;):D
:lol:
Darn, I was hoping that everyone would get a 5Dmk2 and not just a drawing. Darn, raselfratzen!:cry:

[seanbaker]

My ideal 5D mkII
Single Digic IV (not sure if this is feasible, considering 15mp@6.3fps, 14bit is what the 50D does, but I doubt they'd put dual procs in)



I see this rationale for 'calculating' the frame rate of the 5D replacement being used all around the net, and while I originally thought, 'Wow, that's really smart,' on further consideration I don't think it holds merit. While 15 MP @ 6.4 fps does give us a general performance range for the chip (combined with the toted interface redesign), I think it only provides a very rough estimate.

Look a bit into Canon history and the 5D's original introduction. The DIGIC II chip in it was providing 12.8MP @ 3 fps, or ~38.4MP/s of image processing. The same chip, in the 20D and 30D was providing 8.2MP @ 5 fps, or ~41 MP/s. Seems pretty consistent until we consider the other cameras utilizing a single DIGIC II chip at the same time - the 1Ds MkII with 16.7MP @ 4 fps (66.8 MP/s) or the 1D MkIIn, which with a single chip achieved 8.2MP at 8.5fps (69.7 MP/s). So, between cameras with the same image processing chip, we see nearly a two-fold difference in the effective throughput.

So what's my point? Simply that we can expect at least a 90 MP / s throughput from the 5D replacement (say, 21MP at 4 fps), but could see considerably more should Canon decide that for marketing reasons it wants to give us such. I, for one, would like to see up to 21MP @ 6.5fps with the ability to fine-tune fps in camera settings. But I'm sure I'm dreaming to think that will happen :).

Sean

[mattograph]

Once the 5Dmk2 is released and the whoops of joy have settled, then this thread will have served it's porpoise and then every one who contributed will be entered in to a prize draw to recieve a special 5Dmk2 sweety ( bon bon):cool:

Now if that's not exciting I don't know what is;):D
:lol:

Your serving porpoise? I think I'll have the dolphin instead.:)

[sadatk]

Personally, I can't wait for the wealth of cheap 5Ds to flood after September. ;)

[Yohan Pamudji]

Your serving porpoise? I think I'll have the dolphin instead.:)

Mmm... deep-fried dolphin...

Gotta say, that's one of the funniest misspellings I've ever seen! Knowing Simon it could be on porpoise.



Thank you, thank you! I'll be here all week.

[Az2Africa]

Personally, I can't wait for the wealth of cheap 5Ds to flood after September. ;)

My 40D will be in the flood, but not my 5D. It will move to backup.:)

[mattograph]

My 40D will be in the flood, but not my 5D. It will move to backup.:)

I suspect there will be many 5D / 5D II shooters out there.......

[I Simonius]

Your serving porpoise? I think I'll have the dolphin instead.:)

Sorry Porpoise is orf, as it's bin served.;) arr arr:lol:

[I Simonius]

Mmm... deep-fried dolphin...

Gotta say, that's one of the funniest misspellings I've ever seen! Knowing Simon it could be on porpoise.



Thank you, thank you! I'll be here all week.

I assures you 'twas on porpoise!

[I Simonius]

I suspect there will be many 5D / 5D II shooters out there.......

I'm converting my MK1 to IR;)

[boxy]

We have a price now... About 19000 Yuan... 19 focus points 21mp 5 fps
http://74.125.93.104/translate_c?hl=en&sl=zh-CN&tl=en&u=http://www.nphoto.net/news/2008-09/05/dc23714f859ebb04.shtml&usg=ALkJrhjb-fKXi6ki-egGbkx0rwx2UXcL0Q

[hk300]

We have a price now... About 19000 Yuan... 19 focus points 21mp 5 fps
http://74.125.93.104/translate_c?hl=en&sl=zh-CN&tl=en&u=http://www.nphoto.net/news/2008-09/05/dc23714f859ebb04.shtml&usg=ALkJrhjb-fKXi6ki-egGbkx0rwx2UXcL0Q

That is about EUR1900. (same as current 5D price)

Comparing this to the price for the 50D = RMB10500 / EUR1050

And the current list price for the 5D = RMB19500/ EUR1950

If this price is correct, there will be room for another body!

[AdamJL]

Same price as the A900

http://www.rayi.cn/act1/sony_a900/index.html

Interesting.

[I Simonius]

Some possibilities then:

- if there will be a 7D it could either mean there will be room for a 5dmk2 at presumably a higher price point i.e. a 1Ds3 without the brick size i.e 5D size - a cut down size 1Ds3, but with 50D sensor technology etc

- or there will be no new 5D at all as they will continue to be the entry point for FF DSLRs and will keep selling well for that reason.

However none of this makes sense if you consider the pricing v label hierarchy, i.e. a 7D should be lower down the scale than a 5D in terms of cost and function, logically therefore either a 5D2 or a 3D should still follow? (i.e. be released very soon)

Watch this space...;)

[AdamJL]

Whatever happens, don't start a "NEW 3D RUMOUR !!" thread, Simon!

[PixelMinded]

- if there will be a 7D it could either mean there will be room for a 5dmk2 at presumably a higher price point


"presumably" or "prosumerly" higher price point? :)

Just kidding, I was thinking along the same lines as you say in this post, and my guess is there will be 3D and it will be both a higher-end replacement of 5D + it will replace the 1D3 as well (the long-standing rumour of phasing out 1.3X and replacing it with FF).

[fi20100]

Some possibilities then:

- if there will be a 7D it could either mean there will be room for a 5dmk2 at presumably a higher price point i.e. a 1Ds3 without the brick size i.e 5D size - a cut down size 1Ds3, but with 50D sensor technology etc

- or there will be no new 5D at all as they will continue to be the entry point for FF DSLRs and will keep selling well for that reason.

However none of this makes sense if you consider the pricing v label hierarchy, i.e. a 7D should be lower down the scale than a 5D in terms of cost and function, logically therefore either a 5D2 or a 3D should still follow? (i.e. be released very soon)

Watch this space...;)

A cut down size 1DsM3? Like this? http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?p=6264033

[mattograph]

A cut down size 1DsM3? Like this? http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?p=6264033

I like that look.

So, according to Canon's Marketing department (aka the three bears)

13 mp or less -- not enough (nikon) "THIS ONE IS TOOOOOOO SMALL!"
22 mp or more -- too many (Sony) "THIS ONE IS TOOOOOO BIG!"
13.1 mp to 21.9 mp -- "THIS ONE IS JUUUUUUUST RIGHT!"

[I Simonius]

Whatever happens, don't start a "NEW 3D RUMOUR !!" thread, Simon!

I think someone tried that but it didnt get far;)

A cut down size 1DsM3? Like this? http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?p=6264033

I seriously do not want and would not buy a camera that was bigger than the current 5D, so I hope they don't ditch the 5D shape for whatever the next itteration of it is, a different camera by all means but please not on the 5D2:cry:

[fi20100]

I think someone tried that but it didnt get far;)



I seriously do not want and would not buy a camera that was bigger than the current 5D, so I hope they don't ditch the 5D shape for whatever the next itteration of it is, a different camera by all means but please not on the 5D2:cry:

I'm sure Canon will not notice my Photoshop skillz... anyway, my source within Canon is saying that the next 5D will have the same shape as the old one.... ;)

[Meaty0]

Okay, so Photokina starts on Tues 23rd. Canon will probably make the "big announcement" one week before, so that'll be in 7 days from now. wOOt!

[I Simonius]

Okay, so Photokina starts on Tues 23rd. Canon will probably make the "big announcement" one week before, so that'll be in 7 days from now. wOOt!

I think this is definitely it! 7 days sounds right to me too:cool:

I seriously hope the 21MP, 100% VF, 19 point AF are true because if they are I am in heaven - well I will be when I can afford it next year - but i'll be in heaven just knowing they have given it everything that was on the top of my list. wow!:cool:

Eevn if the sony has 24 MP it current 5D lokks like it hads batter IQ (if not resolution) than that so the mk2 should be an absolute stunner in terms of IQ

Thumbs UP!:cool:
:D:D:D

[JohnnyG]

I think this is definitely it! 7 days sounds right to me too:cool:

I seriously hope the 21MP, 100% VF, 19 point AF are true because if they are I am in heaven - well I will be when I can afford it next year - but i'll be in heaven just knowing they have given it everything that was on the top of my list. wow!:cool:

Eevn if the sony has 24 MP it current 5D lokks like it hads batter IQ (if not resolution) than that so the mk2 should be an absolute stunner in terms of IQ

Thumbs UP!:cool:
:D:D:D
Those specs sound wonderful, I hope they're true! It will be huge files but the megapixels will be very useful. I'm sure the noise will be low too.

I wonder what the price will be for all that? Do you hear $2500 to $2900?

I've been waiting for this camera a year now!

[SilverOnemi]

Those specs sound wonderful, I hope they're true! It will be huge files but the megapixels will be very useful. I'm sure the noise will be low too.

I wonder what the price will be for all that? Do you hear $2500 to $2900?

I've been waiting for this camera a year now!

only a year ? ... seems your lucky bud :lol:

[I Simonius]

only a year ? ... seems your lucky bud :lol:

well I have a small windfall coming next year ( I hope) that is earmarked for the 5D2;)

Those specs sound wonderful, I hope they're true! It will be huge files but the megapixels will be very useful. I'm sure the noise will be low too.

I wonder what the price will be for all that? Do you hear $2500 to $2900?

I've been waiting for this camera a year now!

Pricewise I expect it to come in just under what the first 5D came in at, which was about £2500, so I would guess anywhere between £2000 and 2350

That is dependant of course on the mk2 being aimed at the same market section ( whatever that was)

It will be cheaper than that if they rename it as the 7D (guess £1600) or more expensive if they rename it as the 3D (guess £3000), that's what I suspect anyway..

If they declare it in Sept, we shou;d see it on the shelves in Oct, price battle consistaing of add ons in Oct/Nov, slight price drop for December (Xmas) another price drop late Jan to restart sales, price held for Feb/March money back coupons with bunled lens by April, May another small p[rice drop and that's when I'll buy;)

[AdamJL]

I'm gonna buy in December, a few days before Christmas. Off to NY for the hols :)

Only I've got to hide the packaging somehow.. maybe ship it back to the UK seperately

[AdamJL]

Oh. And I'll let the early users iron out any problems first as well ;)

I'm not getting involved in another Mk III fiasco. Canon still haven't fixed that one!

[I Simonius]

Oh. And I'll let the early users iron out any problems first as well ;)

I'm not getting involved in another Mk III fiasco. Canon still haven't fixed that one!

yup, that's another good reason to wait , not just for the price to drop but to iron out the problems;)

[mattograph]

yup, that's another good reason to wait , not just for the price to drop but to iron out the problems;)

Look at you all. So brave and brazen in June, when you know it's months away. But now, the day is nigh, and you're all skitish.:)

Man up, y'all! I want serial #0000001! YAH!!!!!

GIMME GIMME GIMME THE FIRST ONE!!!!!

[Yohan Pamudji]

If the rumored specs with pro AF, weather sealing, and 100% VF are true, I'll be FIRST IN LINE.







... to wait for the early adopters (otherwise known as beta testers) to find all the bugs.

[I Simonius]

If the rumored specs with pro AF, weather sealing, and 100% VF are true, I'll be FIRST IN LINE.







... to wait for the early adopters (otherwise known as beta testers) to find all the bugs.

that's the way to do it!;):D

[AdamJL]

If the rumored specs with pro AF, weather sealing, and 100% VF are true, I'll be FIRST IN LINE.







... to wait for the early adopters (otherwise known as beta testers) to find all the bugs.

haha, QFT

[ThomGascoigne]

It's 7D guys not 5D MK II, It would seem they save the "MK's" for the high end stuff. I'm an avid Canon fan, But gee whiz that Sony A900 Looks tasty.. Real tasty :)

[ulrikft]

the a900 sure looks good actually :) in body IS, better iso-performance than many gives it credit for, good build quality, weatherproofing... The problem is getting rid of my fullframe canon mount lenses (70-200, 85 1.8, 50 1.4, 24 1.4) and getting replacement sony lenses.. (pheeew, expensive :P). My alternative glass is easy, just get a few m42-sony adapters :D I can re-shim my rokkors and just put adapters on my Zeisses :P

[I Simonius]

It's 7D guys not 5D MK II, It would seem they save the "MK's" for the high end stuff. I'm an avid Canon fan, But gee whiz that Sony A900 Looks tasty.. Real tasty :)

the a900 sure looks good actually :) in body IS, better iso-performance than many gives it credit for, good build quality, weatherproofing... The problem is getting rid of my fullframe canon mount lenses (70-200, 85 1.8, 50 1.4, 24 1.4) and getting replacement sony lenses.. (pheeew, expensive :P). My alternative glass is easy, just get a few m42-sony adapters :D I can re-shim my rokkors and just put adapters on my Zeisses :P

wagh! you guys serious about changing a whole system on the strength on one model release??? Your photography must be super critical., and Im sure you know your market, but would these differences between the sony release and the Canon 5D (specifically) make such a diference to your pockets, or are they so deep anyway it makes no difference to you? (in which case why not stick with Canon and get the 1Dsmk3 - there's no way you'll get better results witha sony, so if money's no object....;))

(only asking not criticising)

[ulrikft]

wagh! you guys serious about changing a whole system on the strength on one model release??? Your photography must be super critical., and Im sure you know your market, but would these differences between the sony release and the Canon 5D (specifically) make such a diference to your pockets, or are they so deep anyway it makes no difference to you? (in which case why not stick with Canon and get the 1Dsmk3 - there's no way you'll get better results witha sony, so if money's no object....;))

(only asking not criticising)

Serious and serious.. more like thinking out loud.

My issue with canon is that they seem to like crippling lower end models to protect higher end ones, while sony, nikon, olympus, pentax and other put pro-like features in their lower end bodies too. This is an attitude I prefer over canon's. The reason why sony is tempting is the mount, which makes it possible to use alternative glass like rokkor 58 1.2 etc.

We can only hope that the coming 5d replacement will signal an attitude change :)

(and all the money in the world won't make the 1ds mark III the formfactor/size of the d700/a900/5d... )

[mattograph]

Serious and serious.. more like thinking out loud.

My issue with canon is that they seem to like crippling lower end models to protect higher end ones, while sony, nikon, olympus, pentax and other put pro-like features in their lower end bodies too. This is an attitude I prefer over canon's. The reason why sony is tempting is the mount, which makes it possible to use alternative glass like rokkor 58 1.2 etc.

We can only hope that the coming 5d replacement will signal an attitude change :)

(and all the money in the world won't make the 1ds mark III the formfactor/size of the d700/a900/5d... )

I don't totally agree with the posit that Canon has not matriculated their higher end features to their lower end models. I can think of several examples where they have done just that. In fact, recent reviews of the XSi note the number of features that have already moved down from the Mark III series.

The most glaring omission is the weather sealing. I maintain, though, that saying your camera is weather sealed vs it actually being the tank tough unit that the 1 series represents are two totally different things. For instance, the olympus cameras are not said to be "weather sealed" but said to be "splash proof", at least in their own materials. I am sure the system is effective -- I just don't know if its the same as the canon weather protection on the 1 series.

With that said, I have shot with my 40D in light rain -- still works!:)

[ulrikft]

Well, the olympus cameras have been shown to work (with and without popup flash active :P ) while being drained by a faucet. (norwegian review). That is much more water than I would dare put my 30d into.

[I Simonius]

I don't totally agree with the posit that Canon has not matriculated their higher end features to their lower end models. I can think of several examples where they have done just that. )

I think also there may be some merit in not throwing out technology into the latest model just for the sake of it bacause from the reviews Ive seen so far it seems the 1Ds3 is still ahead in terms of IQ (not MP) compared to the newer offerings by other manufacturers..
what I mean by this is that I would still rather have a 5D2 that purely, in terms of the IQ it can produce, is ahead of everything else in preference to higher MPs o other technobits.

I would rather have an 18MP 5D which retains the magic 'p;lastic' quality orf the images than a 24MP one that does no more than mimic the 1Ds3, which which I have not been impressed from the two chances I had to try it out.

However if i needed a camer to shoot penuins in raging surf or sililar than I might need superweathersaling but rain proof is all I actually need , so again I don't see trhe need to have every high end attribute migrated immediately to the lower end just for the sake of bragging rights ofr the manufacturers

So whether sony, noink , omlympus or anyone, brought out an all singing all dancing 'I got more technocred than you' model I would still only be swayed by a camera that fulfilled my needs for my photography with the emphasis over and above all had the level of IQ that I desire. so that means noise, DR, and a host of other terms that equate to exceptional IQ.

From what Ive seen so far none of the new offerings offer anything on that level that even matches current models from Canon, never mind forthcoming ones...;)

[ulrikft]

You would have a valid point if nikon and sony was far behind on IQ, but they aren't. The 1ds Mark III is somewhat a step in front of things, but that was not the camera i was critiquing. The d700/d3 combo is nowhere _behind_ the 5d in IQ the way I see it. The 5d can hope to match the d700/d3 on iso 100/200, but that is it. It doesen't even come close at higher isos, and that is natural, it is an older camera. But what does perfect IQ help if you can't get the shot beacause it is a light drissle outside? :) What does perfect IQ help if you don't dare getting into the halfpipe to shoot the snowboarders in case you get spreyed with wet snow? ;)

[Yohan Pamudji]

You would have a valid point if nikon and sony was far behind on IQ, but they aren't. The 1ds Mark III is somewhat a step in front of things, but that was not the camera i was critiquing. The d700/d3 combo is nowhere _behind_ the 5d in IQ the way I see it. The 5d can hope to match the d700/d3 on iso 100/200, but that is it. It doesen't even come close at higher isos, and that is natural, it is an older camera. But what does perfect IQ help if you can't get the shot beacause it is a light drissle outside? :) What does perfect IQ help if you don't dare getting into the halfpipe to shoot the snowboarders in case you get spreyed with wet snow? ;)

And what does perfect IQ help if you can't get the snowboarder in focus? These are the types of considerations that for some reason some people never seem to understand. IQ uber alles, as if no other aspect of the camera were necessary to actually obtain a photo that takes advantage of that IQ. Maybe they're all still life or product photographers :lol:

[ulrikft]

And what does perfect IQ help if you can't get the snowboarder in focus? These are the types of considerations that for some reason some people never seem to understand. IQ uber alles, as if no other aspect of the camera were necessary to actually obtain a photo that takes advantage of that IQ. Maybe they're all still life or product photographers :lol:

I agree totally :)

If you can't get the shot, what does "perfect IQ" help? Right now, you have a d700/d3 that competes with the 5d at their iso 200 against the 5d's iso 100, and do this _very_ well. At the same time they have weather sealing, better/faster af, more bells and whistles that actually help you _get_ the shot with perfect IQ.

There are lot of small things I would love in my 30d, that my friend has in his d80, small things that many see as unimportant, but that are important for me.. spot metering at all af-points as an example. This makes it much easier for me to do quick, spontanous and candid portraits.

I understand that all the needs _I_ have, can't be incorporated into every camera, but it would be nice to see some :P

[Yohan Pamudji]

Wow, D80 has AF point-linked spot metering? Awesome. Yet another feature Canon have so far jealously and unnecessarily reserved for the 1-series.

Repeating myself again here (but we're sooooo close to the 5DII announcement, it's ok right?), but a D700 feature set with a Canon sensor at $3000 would be a killer camera. I still hold out very slim hope for the 5DII to be such a camera, but doing so would mean Canon changing their longstanding product differentiation philosophy. I can't see how in the current market climate they can continue to hold that philosophy with the D700 and (to a lesser extent) A900 out, but at the same time I can see it because it's Canon after all. We'll know soon, hopefully next week!

[I Simonius]

You would have a valid point if nikon and sony was far behind on IQ, but they aren't. The 1ds Mark III is somewhat a step in front of things, but that was not the camera i was critiquing. The d700/d3 combo is nowhere _behind_ the 5d in IQ the way I see it. The 5d can hope to match the d700/d3 on iso 100/200, but that is it. It doesen't even come close at higher isos, and that is natural, it is an older camera. But what does perfect IQ help if you can't get the shot beacause it is a light drissle outside? :) What does perfect IQ help if you don't dare getting into the halfpipe to shoot the snowboarders in case you get spreyed with wet snow? ;)

fairly obviously the 5D2 will have some sort of raincoat- that's a given..:rolleyes:

[I Simonius]

And what does perfect IQ help if you can't get the snowboarder in focus? These are the types of considerations that for some reason some people never seem to understand. IQ uber alles, as if no other aspect of the camera were necessary to actually obtain a photo that takes advantage of that IQ. Maybe they're all still life or product photographers :lol:

snow boarfder shooters should get the 1D3, that's what it's for , the 5D was never (obviously:rolleyes:) aimed at that market. It was aimed at Portrait/wedding and landscapers mainly.

The new 5D will have more AF points so it will still be ahead of the game for the market it is intended for;):p

[I Simonius]

I agree totally :)

If you can't get the shot, what does "perfect IQ" help? Right now, you have a d700/d3 that competes with the 5d at their iso 200 against the 5d's iso 100, and do this _very_ well. At the same time they have weather sealing, better/faster af, more bells and whistles that actually help you _get_ the shot with perfect IQ.

There are lot of small things I would love in my 30d, that my friend has in his d80, small things that many see as unimportant, but that are important for me.. spot metering at all af-points as an example. This makes it much easier for me to do quick, spontanous and candid portraits.

I understand that all the needs _I_ have, can't be incorporated into every camera, but it would be nice to see some :P

So you're comapring a newly revealed set of cameras in late 2008 against a 3 yrs old camera? - why?

That is not even relevant, the 5dmk2 will have all the bels and whistles necessary to keep ahead of the game for the intended market (i.e. not sports shooters - for them the comparison must be with the 1d3;))

[ulrikft]

You seem to be a slow reader simon :)

1) Canon does not HAVE a competitor in the price/size range the d700 is, other than the 5d.

2) "get a 1d" is just not an answer, I would like you to stop using that excuse. When ALL the competitors have features at a _far_ lower price point AND a with a far smaller body, I don't see that as a very valid excuse.

You are making a lot of assumptions and you put up _lots_ of borders for what you think is valid arguments, I don't like that. At all. Be honest, that is far better :)

[jbuk1975]

AND a with a far smaller body,

I quite like a decent sized body, having held the 350d it felt weird with it being so small, kind of like a girls camera

[ulrikft]

I quite like a decent sized body, having held the 350d it felt weird with it being so small, kind of like a girls camera

Smaller than a 1d.. :)

[masayako]

fairly obviously the 5D2 will have some sort of raincoat- that's a given..:rolleyes:

It's not worth the 2-week teaser if it's not. :rolleyes:

[Keydogg]

I quite like a decent sized body, having held the 350d it felt weird with it being so small, kind of like a girls camera

Hey!! :evil:

[scokar]

I quite like a decent sized body, having held the 350d it felt weird with it being so small, kind of like a girls camera

That, and that alone should be the deciding factor when making a purchase upwards of $3000 or so.

[I Simonius]

You seem to be a slow reader simon :)

1) Canon does not HAVE a competitor in the price/size range the d700 is, other than the 5d.

2) "get a 1d" is just not an answer, I would like you to stop using that excuse. When ALL the competitors have features at a _far_ lower price point AND a with a far smaller body, I don't see that as a very valid excuse.

You are making a lot of assumptions and you put up _lots_ of borders for what you think is valid arguments, I don't like that. At all. Be honest, that is far better :)

Whether you like it or not is neither here nor there AFAIC, just telling it like I see it. If you don't like that, tough.;)

There will always be a point in time where one of the players does not have all it's pieces up to date on the table. At the moment it's canon wit the 5D2, argueing on merits that are about to change seems irrelvant to me.:rolleyes:

[I Simonius]

It's not worth the 2-week teaser if it's not. :rolleyes:


darn right!:lol:

[ulrikft]

Whether you like it or not is neither here nor there AFAIC, just telling it like I see it. If you don't like that, tough.;)

There will always be a point in time where one of the players does not have all it's pieces up to date on the table. At the moment it's canon wit the 5D2, argueing on merits that are about to change seems irrelvant to me.:rolleyes:


1) I can compare the d80 to the 30d

2) I can compare the a700 to the 40d

3) i can compare the d300 to the 40d AND the 50d

You really don't see the point here.

The rule is here: "we can base our success on IQ in perfect conditions only", I disagree with this attitude. If you fail to see that the other companies are better at giving photographers handy tools that function ergonomically and mechanically better than the canon counterparts, you should have your eyes checked out. The "weathersealing? spot metering at af-points? af-assist lamps? PHEW! I JUST NEED IQ!!"-attitude gets old quick, real quick.

Let us instead just hope that canon takes a hint and gives us what we want this time :D

[I Simonius]

1) I can compare the d80 to the 30d

2) I can compare the a700 to the 40d

3) i can compare the d300 to the 40d AND the 50d

You really don't see the point here.



hate to have to point out the obvious but this is the NEW 5D Rumour thread;):rolleyes:

[ulrikft]

hate to have to point out the obvious but this is the NEW 5D Rumour thread;):rolleyes:

And you keep trolling beacuase you know my point is valid :) But I take that as a positive confirmation :) Have a nice evening!

[gjl711]

hate to have to point out the obvious but this is the NEW 5D Rumour thread;):rolleyes:
So does that mean that the rumor needs to me new...
or
That the rumor needs to be about a new 5D?

;)

[Yohan Pamudji]

The beauty of differing expectations.

Some want a super hi-res FF 50D.

Others (like me) expect a lot more on the features side and can live with a few less pixels.

Yet others are somewhere in between.

I think we often try to assign too much intent where there was none with regards to product planning and target markets. And even if the original 5D were indeed targeted at the need-FF-to-shoot-things-that-don't-move-too-much-and-not-in-bad-weather market doesn't mean the 5DII can't "evolve" (Aha! See what I did there?) into Canon's equivalent to (or hopefully, better than) the D700.

[ulrikft]

The beauty of differing expectations.

Some want a super hi-res FF 50D.

Others (like me) expect a lot more on the features side and can live with a few less pixels.

Yet others are somewhere in between.

I think we often try to assign too much intent where there was none with regards to product planning and target markets. And even if the original 5D were indeed targeted at the need-FF-to-shoot-things-that-don't-move-too-much-and-not-in-bad-weather market doesn't mean the 5DII can't "evolve" (Aha! See what I did there?) into Canon's equivalent to (or hopefully, better than) the D700.

I'm sharing your hope.. :)

I want a snappy, fast, sexy, weather sealed, feature-filled great camera :D

[I Simonius]

So does that mean that the rumor needs to me new...
or
That the rumor needs to be about a new 5D?

;)

:lol:

The beauty of differing expectations.

And even if the original 5D were indeed targeted at the need-FF-to-shoot-things-that-don't-move-too-much-and-not-in-bad-weather market doesn't mean the 5DII can't "evolve" (Aha! See what I did there?) into Canon's equivalent to (or hopefully, better than) the D700.

the only camera I hope it will evolve into is something better than the current 5D. from my POV I couldn't care less what the other camera companies are doing except in that it spurs Canon on, and that is of course a very good thing.
My hopes are that we will get more MPs, better VF, better AF and weatherseling, unless I've forgotten anything that's about all I care bout for the 5D2. I;m sure others have other hopes but I sincerely dounbt it will ever be a sports /action shooters camera as a FF fast fps model would damage 1D3 sales. So canon is highly unlikely to go there. As I have said before the only thing that matters to me is that the next itterasation of the 5D can produce stunning IQ, it already does that but technology has moved on and Im sure they can squeeze more out of it in terms of DR and ISO ranage.

Since the latest rumour sites have posted 'leaks' not only are these my hopes but they have also now become my expectations. In fact it was once my expectation that it would have 15-18 MPs but now it looks like we may even be able to get A2 prints or bigger without interpolation.

And you keep trolling beacuase you know my point is valid :) But I take that as a positive confirmation :) Have a nice evening!

take it as you like:rolleyes:

[Yohan Pamudji]

the only camera I hope it will evolve into is something better than the current 5D. from my POV I couldn't care less what the other camera companies are doing except in that it spurs Canon on, and that is of course a very good thing.

Agreed. The only reason I care about the D700 is because it's the camera I've wanted to see from Canon for a few years now--a real all-around camera that isn't top-of-the-line in any particular way but is capable of handling any type of shooting assignment I might face. I have no thoughts of switching; just want Canon to wake up and smell the roses, because I know I'm not alone.

My hopes are that we will get more MPs, better VF, better AF and weatherseling, unless I've forgotten anything that's about all I care bout for the 5D2.

Exactly what I want with the addition of better noise performance, which is almost certainly a given. Dunno about you, but I'm a bit particular about the AF though. 50D-type AF will be a big disappointment for me, mainly because that will mean the diamond layout lives to see another day in the 5D line. That alone could make or break it for me personally.

Since the latest rumour sites have posted 'leaks' not only are these my hopes but they have also now become my expectations. In fact it was once my expectation that it would have 15-18 MPs but now it looks like we may even be able to get A2 prints or bigger without interpolation.

Speculation has gone up from about 15-16MP to 18 to 21 to 24. We should hope Canon waits a few more months to announce and by then we'll have a 60MP cam :lol:

[I Simonius]

Dunno about you, but I'm a bit particular about the AF though. 50D-type AF will be a big disappointment for me, mainly because that will mean the diamond layout lives to see another day in the 5D line. That alone could make or break it for me personally.


yeah I agree, that was a blunder on Canon's part and one I really hope they don't repeat:mad:

[maxpower2078]

I don't totally agree with the posit that Canon has not matriculated their higher end features to their lower end models. I can think of several examples where they have done just that. In fact, recent reviews of the XSi note the number of features that have already moved down from the Mark III series.

The most glaring omission is the weather sealing. I maintain, though, that saying your camera is weather sealed vs it actually being the tank tough unit that the 1 series represents are two totally different things. For instance, the olympus cameras are not said to be "weather sealed" but said to be "splash proof", at least in their own materials. I am sure the system is effective -- I just don't know if its the same as the canon weather protection on the 1 series.

With that said, I have shot with my 40D in light rain -- still works!:)

I believe weather sealing comes with a more well built housing that is more metal that plastic.

I have had my 1v submerged in ocean water for a couple of seconds, by accident of course, a wave caught me by surprise. The good ol' 1v is still kicking just fine though.

[eror11]

northlight images http://www.northlight-images.co.uk/cameras/Canon_5d2_3d_7d.html has a new photo up... looks pretty good!

[jbuk1975]

northlight images http://www.northlight-images.co.uk/cameras/Canon_5d2_3d_7d.html has a new photo up... looks pretty good!



looks very fake to me

[mattograph]

looks very fake to me

Me too. It's not going to be called the Mark II.

Up to this point, the "Mark" designations have corresponded to the Digic processor inside the camera. (I think?)

So maybe its the Mark IV?

[I Simonius]

So maybe its the Mark IV?

Maybe it's 'John IV' - who knows - one of life's little mysterons:eek:;)

Not long now my prettiessssss....:lol:

[AdamJL]

Me too. It's not going to be called the Mark II.

Up to this point, the "Mark" designations have corresponded to the Digic processor inside the camera. (I think?)

So maybe its the Mark IV?

Not you too.
That's completely false. The 5D has a Digic II processor. So it should be called the 5D II by that logic.

[Meaty0]

Probably only 5 days to go!

I'm hoping it will have the "built like a tank" quality that the 1Ds has. I might even call it the "Conan 5D Mk II" :-D

[weka2000]

you guys still waiting for the new 5D :rolleyes: :lol:

[herbe_nelson]

Probably only 5 days to go!

I'm hoping it will have the "built like a tank" quality that the 1Ds has. I might even call it the "Conan 5D Mk II" :-D

"The new Conan 5D Mk II, conning you that more mp is better"

I can see the adverts now.

[I Simonius]

you guys still waiting for the new 5D :rolleyes: :lol:

nope, just the bus home...:p


are we there yet mother?
:lol:

Probably only 5 days to go!

I'm hoping it will have the "built like a tank" quality that the 1Ds has. I might even call it the "Conan 5D Mk II" :-D

that, I like!:lol:

[I Simonius]

"The new Conan 5D Mk II, conning you that more mp is better"

I can see the adverts now.

well that's what the sony is doing...whereas the canon I fully expect will actually have excellent IQ. Combining that with more MP is no bad thing

But I understand your point, it's a bit like cars all used to be advertised on how fast they went, then that was derided for safety reasons and now they all push differnt attributes

So maybe well get ads pushing the quality of the photosites or the processor or build, but the public awareness needs to be effigied,, I mean edified, first;):D

n another note, my MUms birthday is the 17th so it's good that the 5D2 is coming out then, noit that I'll be buying it for her;)

http://www.erenumerique.fr/le_canon_eos_5d_mark_ii_se_precise-news-14090.html the same 24MP ruour is being propataed but I think it will be 21, I think people are just saying 24 so not all MP addicts rush out and get the sony;)

[Yohan Pamudji]

Yeah, the MP increase in the rumors has been crazy. People are already hanging their hats on that 24MP rumor, and I have a feeling they'll be very disappointed when the real specs come out.

[Epix]

I personally hope it's not 24MP. Give me 16MP tops with exceptional high ISO performance and I'm set. Leave the MP war to the 1D series.

[ulrikft]

The best new 5d for me would be:

16-20 mp.
weather sealing
100-6400 iso (extended 25-25600)
100% and .85 VF (I'll settle for .78 :P )
4-8 fps
19-52 af points, most possible cross type.
spot metering at all af-points or at least at the main ones.
good and sturdy build quality.


+/- $3000

[mattograph]

Not you too.
That's completely false. The 5D has a Digic II processor. So it should be called the 5D II by that logic.

Oh yeah, me too. I'm one of those guys!:)

[I Simonius]

I personally hope it's not 24MP. Give me 16MP tops with exceptional high ISO performance and I'm set. Leave the MP war to the 1D series.

I don't se how they can make the IQ (not resolution) better than the 1Ds if they go 24MP, it's too much and MP was never what the 5D range was about - it as always about IQ, it was ahead of all the others when it first came out. So to get the 5D2 ahead IQ-wise I can't imagine how they'll do it unless it has bigger photosites than the 1Ds3, 50D, etc - presumably unless there has been yet another tech advance since the 50D ( which there might have been) there will have to be less than 24 and more like 18mps to get that plastic quality to the images.

Tat's fine by me, but I suspect they will have known aboout Noink ands sony's offerings so may indeed have upped the MPs to 21, but I think that has got to be the max we can expect at the very most

I'll be very suprised if it's more, and possibly dissapointed if the IQ isn't stunning;)

[ll PaSt ll]

just possible more spy pics

http://www.northlight-images.co.uk/camera_images_3/Canon/5d2/test_cam.jpg

here at

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1032&message=29291588

read up here

http://www.northlight-images.co.uk/cameras/Canon_5d2_3d_7d.html

[I Simonius]

I personally hope it's not 24MP. Give me 16MP tops with exceptional high ISO performance and I'm set. Leave the MP war to the 1D series.

just possible more spy pics

http://www.northlight-images.co.uk/camera_images_3/Canon/5d2/test_cam.jpg

here at

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1032&message=29291588

read up here

http://www.northlight-images.co.uk/cameras/Canon_5d2_3d_7d.html

yeah thanks = seen that but it doesnt really look like the one in the evolution ads:cry:

[Yohan Pamudji]

Looks like a 5D doctored up--definitely not the camera in the ad. Changing the shutter release button color, copy-pasting a 4th button, and putting "II" on the lens were easy enough, but doctoring the viewfinder hump to have Mark III-like lines like the ad apparently wasn't so easy.

[I Simonius]

Looks like a 5D doctored up--definitely not the camera in the ad. Changing the shutter release button color, copy-pasting a 4th button, and putting "II" on the lens were easy enough, but doctoring the viewfinder hump to have Mark III-like lines like the ad apparently wasn't so easy.

fact is Canon Cameras always have a 'leak' the week or so before the event and it's usually spot on

I think the 'official' leak was the 21MP one;)

[cyrn]

here's a full leak...

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1032&thread=29295921&page=1

;)

[Trainboy]

Here's something better. Straight off the Canon Australia site.
www.canon.aus/For_Home/Product_Finder/Cameras/Digital_SLR/EOS_7D/index.asp (http://************/2q9j9y)

[TheHoff]

Here's something better. Straight off the Canon Australia site.
www.canon.aus/For_Home/Product_Finder/Cameras/Digital_SLR/EOS_7D/index.asp (http://************/2q9j9y)

Holy crap, someone in Australia is going to get in trouble for posting that 7D product page too early. Nice find!!

[tldoxmf87]

Here's something better. Straight off the Canon Australia site.
www.canon.aus/For_Home/Product_Finder/Cameras/Digital_SLR/EOS_7D/index.asp (http://************/2q9j9y)
holy cow! Finally the official specs! YES MOVIE MODE!!!!!

[AdamJL]

Here's something better. Straight off the Canon Australia site.
www.canon.aus/For_Home/Product_Finder/Cameras/Digital_SLR/EOS_7D/index.asp (http://************/2q9j9y)

.com.au for Australia ;)

[slitherjef]

Page don't load?

[Sfordphoto]

it looks like the real deal...hurry up and check it out before canon takes it down!

[ulrikft]

The Hoff is involved, I smell fish.

[StarJack]

here's a full leak...

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1032&thread=29295921&page=1

;)

That was funny!

[Bass]

lol i never got to see it. What was the spec in the austrailian link? =P Even tho it most likely was fake..

[Rumjungle]

I sure hope that it's not 24mp. Or if so, at least I hope it has a lower resolution RAW setting.:(

[jbuk1975]

I sure hope that it's not 24mp. Or if so, at least I hope it has a lower resolution RAW setting.:(


why is that?

[lowcrust]

Maybe he doesn't want/need 100mb raw files?

[jbuk1975]

Maybe he doesn't want/need 100mb raw files?


maybe , but they wouldn't be that big as raw and memory cards are cheap as chips these days
anyone willing to spend a few thousand £ or $ on a camera should hopefully be able to buy a decent sized memory card

I would think that it will come with sRAW 1 & 2 allowing for smaller files though, like the 50d has

[Pinto]

maybe , but they wouldn't be that big as raw and memory cards are cheap as chips these days
anyone willing to spend a few thousand £ or $ on a camera should hopefully be able to buy a decent sized memory card

I would think that it will come with sRAW 1 & 2 allowing for smaller files though, like the 50d has

Cost of memory cards is a very minor issue. You must have the computing power to effectively process very large files. With a lot of layer work some of mine can reach a gigabyte. And then of course, there's the storage problem. Large initial files require a number of large storage drives, at least a hundred dollars a pop.

If you do not have the support equipment already in place, properly supporting a body that produces large files could easily tack on at least another thousand dollars in cost.

[jbuk1975]

Cost of memory cards is a very minor issue. You must have the computing power to effectively process very large files. With a lot of layer work some of mine can reach a terabyte. And then of course, there's the storage problem. Large initial files require a number of large storage drives, at least a hundred dollars a pop.

If you do not have the support equipment already in place, properly supporting a body that produces large files could easily tack on at least another thousand dollars in cost.


then surely you would reduce the image size when or after converting from raw as the first step and go from there ?

[Pinto]

then surely you would reduce the image size when or after converting from raw as the first step and go from there ?

Of course the smaller RAW sizes will be available in anything Canon produces, and if you do not need the larger files then the rest of it is a moot point. However, if you choose to capture using the large RAW file to give you future flexibility, you have the storage and processing challenge.

It all depends on what your future usage may be. If you complete your processing in the largest file you can always reduce the finished image for other uses. If you reduce first you better be certain you won't need large print quality in the future, or you'll have to start over.

I am primarily looking for the large print capability, so I am very aware of the support issues.

[TheHoff]

Cost of memory cards is a very minor issue. You must have the computing power to effectively process very large files. With a lot of layer work some of mine can reach a terabyte.

You've got to have a mistake up there, right? What file could possibly reach a terabyte in size? I don't think any OS can handle a 1,024 gigabyte file.

[TheHoff]

And at least they've shown us one thing in the past few days... I think we're in for a 100% viewfinder. That hump looks good.

[Pinto]

You've got to have a mistake up there, right? What file could possibly reach a terabyte in size? I don't think any OS can handle a 1,024 gigabyte file.

Absolutely a mistake. Thank you for catching it. I meant of course, one gigabyte files.

[ulrikft]

And at least they've shown us one thing in the past few days... I think we're in for a 100% viewfinder. That hump looks good.

100% vf with 0.87x ? ;)

[TheHoff]

Absolutely a mistake. Thank you for catching it. I meant of course, one gigabyte files.

Quote me again in 10 years when we're complaining about our 5 terabyte RAW files. My statement above has echoes of Bill Gates' 640k memory comment.

[xarqi]

You've got to have a mistake up there, right? What file could possibly reach a terabyte in size? I don't think any OS can handle a 1,024 gigabyte file.

OS X will handle files a little under 8 exabytes, that's 8 million terabytes!
See:http://support.apple.com/kb/HT2422

[TheHoff]

OS X will handle files a little under 8 exabytes, that's 8 million terabytes!
See:http://support.apple.com/kb/HT2422

Color me impressed.... in 10 years when I need that :D

[Radtech1]

Quote me again in 10 years when we're complaining about our 5 terabyte RAW files. My statement above has echoes of Bill Gates' 640k memory comment.

And I think back to my first computer - I paid a $500 premium to get one with a TEN MILLION BYTE (Not even "megabytes") hard drive. Not that I would ever actually use such a cavernous monster, I just wanted it cause it was really really big.

Rad

[mattograph]

OS X will handle files a little under 8 exabytes, that's 8 million terabytes!
See:http://support.apple.com/kb/HT2422

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