NEW 5D RUMOUR !!

[I Simonius]

what about 12 stop dynamic range?

Digic 3;)

[AdamJL]

Digic 3;)

If only. God almighty, just imagine 12 stops of dynamic range...

Anyway, we need some more rumours, folks! :lol:
I'm so going to be first in line to get the next model. I don't even care if it's a lemon

Okay, so that's a lie, I DO care, but I still want to hear more rumours.
Only a few months more to go until we should hopefully find out!

[I Simonius]

If only. God almighty, just imagine 12 stops of dynamic range...

Anyway, we need some more rumours, folks! :lol:
I'm so going to be first in line to get the next model. I don't even care if it's a lemon

Okay, so that's a lie, I DO care, but I still want to hear more rumours.
Only a few months more to go until we should hopefully find out!

It is quite clar to me that ALL of my wants and wishes for te new 5D will come true (except of course a mirror lock up button) because whe this thread started there was only enough time elasped for Canon (Canooooooooooooooooooon! :lol: :lol: :lol: ) to have included a few off my wish list and rumour list but now that a 10MP XT has come out we know a 12MP 40D is on its way (Feb?) which means the upgrade path is established for the 5D to go to 18MP - and all the other stuff because they have had plenty of time to incorporate it


Having said that I am not so sure about the rumours of two different models.... - after all Canon has sent out several (dreadful!) questionnaries to 5D owners so it should have a rough idea of who buys them and what their future needs are

Even if the 40D stays at 10MP they must know that the 5D buyers biggest request is for a higher pixel count, as the 'larger' pixels of the 5D were supposed to give better DR wheras in fact the difference is no more than half a stop at most, and few would be able to diferentiate between a 1Ds's DR and the 5D's DR.

So back to my original (http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showpost.php?p=1383706&postcount=1) post - hopefully they can reasonably be expected to incorporate all the requests (not the mirror lock up obviously - Canon have a total block on that for some reason):p

[AdamJL]

Having said that I am not so sure about the rumours of two different models.... - after all Canon has sent out several (dreadful!) questionnaries to 5D owners so it should have a rough idea of who buys them and what their future needs are

Ahh, but what about people who DON’T have a 5D and are looking to purchase one? They are the bigger market don’t forget!

Anyway, I think that whether or not the 5D is split is dependant on whether or not they merge the 1Ds MK II and 1D MK IIN.
So you’d have a 22mp (or thereabouts) 1D series camera, shooting at 8fps, and is FF.
Then you’d have a 5D MK II, which essentially is just a rehash of the current 5D with weather sealing, dust removal, more AF points, FF, and perhaps 5fps.
In between these two, the legendary 3D rears its head. Higher pixel count (former 1Ds territory) with a 1.3 crop, and again, perhaps 5fps

[I Simonius]

Ahh, but what about people who DON’T have a 5D and are looking to purchase one? They are the bigger market don’t forget!


maybe but they wil still be the same TYPE of people that bought the 5D

[AdamJL]

What type is that? People who are pros (press photogs) and who want an excellent backup?
People who use MF cameras for landscape and want to purchase a non MF camera that excels in their field?
People who want to upgrade from a lesser camera as they want to increase their knowledge?
People who have more money than brains and just want a 5D because they can afford it?

I don't think there's really a "type"!

[I Simonius]

What type is that? People who are pros (press photogs) and who want an excellent backup?
People who use MF cameras for landscape and want to purchase a non MF camera that excels in their field?
People who want to upgrade from a lesser camera as they want to increase their knowledge?
People who have more money than brains and just want a 5D because they can afford it?

I don't think there's really a "type"!

I meant type generic not specific
i.e. they will see how the market is delineated from their survey which will allow them to extrapolate and project accordingly

[AdamJL]

I meant type generic

Isn't that a contradiction?
And to be honest, if Canon really think they can extrapolate useful marketting information about current and future 5D owners from the dodgy survey you mentioned, then they are going to miss out on a whole lotta cash!

[I Simonius]

Isn't that a contradiction?
And to be honest, if Canon really think they can extrapolate useful marketting information about current and future 5D owners from the dodgy survey you mentioned, then they are going to miss out on a whole lotta cash!

who knows? I don't!;)

Nonethless they will upgrade it and it will be wunderbar, wunderbaaar, wunderbar,

(all together now!.....)
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:lol: :lol: :lol:

[Atlasman]

Even if the 40D stays at 10MP they must know that the 5D buyers biggest request is for a higher pixel count, as the 'larger' pixels of the 5D were supposed to give better DR wheras in fact the difference is no more than half a stop at most, and few would be able to diferentiate between a 1Ds's DR and the 5D's DR.


As a 5D owner, more pixels is not a consideration. I want weather sealing and better build quality.

[cubano100pct]

I want better noise processing on higher ISOs, more dynamic range, speed, weather sealing.

[Meaty0]

Strongest rumour yet that I've heard is the "6D" (well that was to be expected) is due out in Sept. '07 and will have a 16 MP full frame sensor with the option to shoot it at 1.5 crop also at a faster rate (10 fps).

[Meaty0]

As for 12 stop dynamic range, that's still science fiction, but dynamic range may be increased with cameras that have built-in HDR. That's possible with current technology and may already be a reality.

[AdamJL]

Strongest rumour yet that I've heard is the "6D" (well that was to be expected) is due out in Sept. '07 and will have a 16 MP full frame sensor with the option to shoot it at 1.5 crop also at a faster rate (10 fps).

Curious.. why is that the "strongest" rumour?

[I Simonius]

Strongest rumour yet that I've heard is the "6D" (well that was to be expected) is due out in Sept. '07 and will have a 16 MP full frame sensor with the option to shoot it at 1.5 crop also at a faster rate (10 fps).

why would anyone want to crop to 1.6 in camera???

never heard of photoshop I suppose;)

[richwood]

why would anyone want to crop to 1.6 in camera???

Speed.

You can increase the frame rate if you've got less data to process with each frame.

[CoolToolGuy]

why would anyone want to crop to 1.6 in camera???

never heard of photoshop I suppose;)

A fotog on a deadline - send the card or transmit the data, no time to fool with post-processing. . . ;)

Have Fun,

[I Simonius]

Speed.

You can increase the frame rate if you've got less data to process with each frame.

A fotog on a deadline - send the card or transmit the data, no time to fool with post-processing. . . ;)

Have Fun,

Hmm there;s this funny little camera - just the job for that - called the 30D;)

[radiohead]

1D MKII N

Best tool for that job.

Having had a D2x though, the ability to switch to a higher crop, smaller file size at will is inspired.

[CoolToolGuy]

Hmm there;s this funny little camera - just the job for that - called the 30D;)

To each his own;)

8.5 FPS, autofocus below f5.6, and replaceable focusing screens does not equal 30D. You may not see the beauty, but others might. . .

Have Fun,

[Meaty0]

why would anyone want to crop to 1.6 in camera???

never heard of photoshop I suppose;)

Yes it's for speed. At 1.5 crop, it can take frames at a faster rate. I wonder if it also allows you to use EF-S lenses as well? And note, I said 1.5 crop, not 1.6...I'm not sure if that was a misquote from the source.

Curious.. why is that the "strongest" rumour? Because it was supposed to come from a contact in management level of EOS cameras.

[davidfig]

Yes it's for speed. At 1.5 crop, it can take frames at a faster rate.

AKA nikon D2Xs which is 1.5 crop and in high speed mode goes to 2x crop. Makes it more multipurpose. Works for sports and studio,etc.

[I Simonius]

To each his own;)

8.5 FPS, autofocus below f5.6, and replaceable focusing screens does not equal 30D. You may not see the beauty, but others might. . .

Have Fun,

Now look here old chepp, we don't entertain the likes of 1D series on this ere thread, old bean;) :D

[I Simonius]

AKA nikon D2Xs which is 1.5 crop and in high speed mode goes to 2x crop. Makes it more multipurpose. Works for sports and studio,etc.

utter madness, madness I tell ye!:D

The 5D is aimed at wedding, portriat and landscape photogs

It doesn't pretend to be a 1D and hopefully won't in the future - such ideas are going off at completely the wrong tangent:rolleyes: ;)

[CoolToolGuy]

Now look here old chepp, we don't entertain the likes of 1D series on this ere thread, old bean;) :D

A rumor thread with rules? How novel! :rolleyes:

But if the focusing system of the 30D was implemented in the 400D, what autofocus will any of the new prosumer models get? :confused: ;)

Have Fun,

[I Simonius]

A rumor thread with rules? How novel! :rolleyes:

But if the focusing system of the 30D was implemented in the 400D, what autofocus will any of the new prosumer models get? :confused: ;)

Have Fun,

Preaching to the converted mate - fun is being had!:rolleyes:

In large measure;)

[AdamJL]

Because it was supposed to come from a contact in management level of EOS cameras.

Direct through yourself, or through another rumour?
I don't know how "strong" any rumour is tbh. They are all just rumours and equally plausible/implausible imo.

[I Simonius]

Direct through yourself, or through another rumour?
I don't know how "strong" any rumour is tbh. They are all just rumours and equally plausible/implausible imo.

Some rumours are rumoured to be better rumours than those rumours that are rumoured just to be a rumour;)
(so it's rumoured ;-) )
:D

[AdamJL]

???

[I Simonius]

garnered from another thread: I read one article that claimed Canon was working on a 12 MP EF-S sensor that would outcompete the Nikon D2X, but decided not to bring it out yet because sales would hurt the 5D. The thought was that Canon will hold off releasing that sensor until after they bring out the next generation of the 5D which will have a 16 MP sensor.

makes sense to me;)

[fi20100]

But do you actually need to crop to get more speed. I would most definitely hope that the DIGIC III would bring enough processing power to an EOS camera, so that you would not need to crop to get speed :)

[I Simonius]

But do you actually need to crop to get more speed. I would most definitely hope that the DIGIC III would bring enough processing power to an EOS camera, so that you would not need to crop to get speed :)

So... if you need speed don't get a 5D:rolleyes:

[Atlasman]

A rumor thread with rules? How novel! :rolleyes:

But if the focusing system of the 30D was implemented in the 400D, what autofocus will any of the new prosumer models get? :confused: ;)

Have Fun,

5D's focusing system.

[I Simonius]

5D's focusing system.

I have heard from a very reputable and reliable sauce that the next 5Ds focussing system will have a'turbo' button.

This should come in very handy if you have got a hangover;)

[I Simonius]

just dropped in price £100....

at last - it beginzzzz;)

[Punisher77]

I haven't heard anything about the 5Dmk2 rumour in a long time. It seems like the likely candidates are the 1d and 30D updates.

[I Simonius]

I haven't heard anything about the 5Dmk2 rumour in a long time. It seems like the likely candidates are the 1d and 30D updates.

well only accoring to Erwin, personally I think the demand for a 5Dmk2 is very high, so they should bring one out;)

[Meaty0]

well only accoring to Erwin, personally I think the demand for a 5Dmk2 is very high, so they should bring one out;)

Well B&Hs website claims there is a "double cash-back" rebate ($600) on all purchases of the 5D. That's a sure sign that a replacement is near....very near:) Perhaps we should start a pool to bet on which month of 2007 it'll be:D

[alix]

well ... I have no bloody clue. But I am HOPING March. :)

[Billginthekeys]

Well B&Hs website claims there is a "double cash-back" rebate ($600) on all purchases of the 5D. That's a sure sign that a replacement is near....very near:) Perhaps we should start a pool to bet on which month of 2007 it'll be:D
not to say that a replacement isnt comeing. but that deal has been running since like september now.

[Meaty0]

not to say that a replacement isnt comeing. but that deal has been running since like september now. Yeah, I think they're trying to run down existing stock.

My money is on early April here in Australia. You guys in the US will probably get it earlier:p

[I Simonius]

Well B&Hs website claims there is a "double cash-back" rebate ($600) on all purchases of the 5D. That's a sure sign that a replacement is near....very near:) Perhaps we should start a pool to bet on which month of 2007 it'll be:D

well ... I have no bloody clue. But I am HOPING March. :)

Yeah, I think they're trying to run down existing stock.

My money is on early April here in Australia. You guys in the US will probably get it earlier:p

It will DEFINITELY be by SEpt, but Im hoping it will be at the same time as the other predicted announcements i.e. Late Feb or certainly by PMA (second week of March)

I doubt they would announce all the other upgradies but leave the 5Djust for a month (out of spite;) :D )

[AdamJL]

If the rumours about the new 1D series are true, maybe the 5D WON'T be upgraded.
We'll have a 22mp FF camera, half the size of the current 1Ds. Also, a 12mp 8.5fps or 10fps camera using the 5D's sensor, with the same body.
With these two cameras, I'm not sure Canon will actually upgrade the 5D, because they are now closer to it (with the new 1Dn in terms of sensor and mp size, and the 1Ds in terms of physical size).
I sincerely hope these rebates aren't there to justify a re-shuffle of the 1D market, but that's how it looks to me.

12mp, FF, weather sealed at the 5D's price point.. come on Canon!

[I Simonius]

If the rumours about the new 1D series are true, maybe the 5D WON'T be upgraded.
We'll have a 22mp FF camera, half the size of the current 1Ds. Also, a 12mp 8.5fps or 10fps camera using the 5D's sensor, with the same body.
With these two cameras, I'm not sure Canon will actually upgrade the 5D, because they are now closer to it (with the new 1Dn in terms of sensor and mp size, and the 1Ds in terms of physical size).
I sincerely hope these rebates aren't there to justify a re-shuffle of the 1D market, but that's how it looks to me.

12mp, FF, weather sealed at the 5D's price point.. come on Canon!

The 5D will be 18mpx or thereabouts and the amateur/landscape FF market is too big to ignore

[I Simonius]

Unless.. of course there is NEW thechnology in te pipeline and ther'll be a complete revamp

EITHER way there will be a new 5D at some point because the 1D series is simply too heavy and bukly for quite a few shooters, a fcat that Canon recognises, so there wil always be a FF light camera. At the momenmt it is only just above the forthcoming 40D in pixel power so it must move up otherwise the others are stuck

[AdamJL]

My gut tells me now that there will be no upgraded 5D this year.

With the new 1D III using such an awesome image processing engine, I think Digic III will first go to the 1Ds III (rumoured out later this yaer), followed by the 5D next year. Why release a FF 5D with Digic III when your main studio camera still uses Digic II.
Of course, they could release them at the same time, but I doubt it.

[Atlasman]

If the rumours about the new 1D series are true, maybe the 5D WON'T be upgraded.
We'll have a 22mp FF camera, half the size of the current 1Ds. Also, a 12mp 8.5fps or 10fps camera using the 5D's sensor, with the same body.
With these two cameras, I'm not sure Canon will actually upgrade the 5D, because they are now closer to it (with the new 1Dn in terms of sensor and mp size, and the 1Ds in terms of physical size).
I sincerely hope these rebates aren't there to justify a re-shuffle of the 1D market, but that's how it looks to me.

12mp, FF, weather sealed at the 5D's price point.. come on Canon!

And while you're at it, give me Live LCD (reticulated).

[mogearnotalent]

My gut tells me now that there will be no upgraded 5D this year.

With the new 1D III using such an awesome image processing engine, I think Digic III will first go to the 1Ds III (rumoured out later this yaer), followed by the 5D next year. Why release a FF 5D with Digic III when your main studio camera still uses Digic II.
Of course, they could release them at the same time, but I doubt it.

I think the bigger question is why not release both now? Its the EOS anniversary and it would be a great way to take back market share and reestablish themselves as the leader in the field

[Alnitak]

And while you're at it, give me Live LCD (reticulated).

Not to be a noodge, but I think the word you're grasping for is "articulated." (Unless you want it to be like a python in some way...;) )

[Atlasman]

I think the bigger question is why not release both now? Its the EOS anniversary and it would be a great way to take back market share and reestablish themselves as the leader in the field

Who in the high end has taken marketshare away from Canon?

In the full-frame, they have no competition, in the sports/photo journalists, what is better than the 1D MIIn?

In wedding photography, the majority of photographers are using Canon equipment—from 20Ds to 1Ds' and even some Rebels.

Canon is so far ahead of the technology curve they are undisputed in digital imaging—their level of integration is king—not Kodak, Sony, FujiFilm, Panasonic, or Nikon have such integration. Canon is so integrated that, not only do they make their own sensors, they make the equipment that makes the sensors. Talk about control.

The 1D MIII fits into a large number of market segments—why not release first, and allow some time for it to sink into the marketplace. I think the replacement for the full-frame 1D series should happen in the fall—and I'm sure that it will incorporate much of the 1D MIII's technology—in a full-frame format.

As far as I can see, Canon is a giant among it's peers.

[mogearnotalent]

Who in the high end has taken marketshare away from Canon?

In the full-frame, they have no competition, in the sports/photo journalists, what is better than the 1D MIIn?

In wedding photography, the majority of photographers are using Canon equipment—from 20Ds to 1Ds' and even some Rebels.

Canon is so far ahead of the technology curve they are undisputed in digital imaging—their level of integration is king—not Kodak, Sony, FujiFilm, Panasonic, or Nikon have such integration. Canon is so integrated that, not only do they make their own sensors, they make the equipment that makes the sensors. Talk about control.

The 1D MIII fits into a large number of market segments—why not release first, and allow some time for it to sink into the marketplace. I think the replacement for the full-frame 1D series should happen in the fall—and I'm sure that it will incorporate much of the 1D MIII's technology—in a full-frame format.

As far as I can see, Canon is a giant among it's peers.

I hope so, the remark came from an internet claim that Nikon has more market share than Canon in Japan, I dont know about the accuracy of that claim.
As for myself, I'm hoping to upgrade my 20D and I plan on sticking with Canon, I just hope there are more new cameras coming sooner rather than later

[I Simonius]

My gut tells me now that there will be no upgraded 5D this year.


maybe not early this year but still there will be tios year I think so.

Thee will be not so many buying the 5D once the new 1D's are released, in fact slaes will crash, Canon know this , so it will get released a few months after the 1Ds Mk 3, I reckon;)

I still won't buy it til next year though - oir at Christmas at the earliest:D ;) :p

[I Simonius]

I think the bigger question is why not release both now? Its the EOS anniversary and it would be a great way to take back market share and reestablish themselves as the leader in the field

That's it! I think there will be a multpile release around sept , certainly of at least the 5D and 40D because they'll want to catch the Christmas traffic, but the 5D will only have an increased pixelcount if they also release the 1DsMk3

[4Mat]

That's it! I think there will be a multpile release around sept , certainly of at least the 5D and 40D because they'll want to catch the Christmas traffic, but the 5D will only have an increased pixelcount if they also release the 1DsMk3
I rather have the new 5d wearther-sealed and even better ISO than the new mk3, it suppose to be the king of ISO!

[I Simonius]

I rather have the new 5d wearther-sealed and even better ISO than the new mk3, it suppose to be the king of ISO!

Quite agree - I think canon underestaimates the market for a 5D with prefessional spec but with half the size and wheight. I'd buy it;)

[AdamJL]

Quite agree - I think canon underestaimates the market for a 5D with prefessional spec but with half the size and wheight. I'd buy it;)

And same price-point, don't forget. That's the 5D's other charm. I don't want to pay 1Ds figures. If I wanted a 1Ds, I'd buy a 1Ds.

[I Simonius]

And same price-point, don't forget. That's the 5D's other charm. I don't want to pay 1Ds figures. If I wanted a 1Ds, I'd buy a 1Ds.

I understand but I would rather have the option, because personally if Canon produce a 1Ds at 5D wheight and size I will look at it very seriously;) :D

BUT it would have to be current with the latest 1Ds (i.e. Mk3) in terms of MP count

there MUST be a market for all those travel and landscape photogs who want the 1Ds but at 5D wheight and size - therefore I bet that if canon produced a studio 1ds & a travel 1Ds they would sell both fine, and I'd go for it - 5D, 1Ds - what's in a name?

the 5D is essentially a perfect portrait camera - due to its large photosites - that doubles for everything else (It would be the 'ideal portrait camera, except for the only double focus point being in the centre, which means you have to use the middle focus point in low light to get it dead on, then reframe a bit - not ideal!)

The fact is I will pay for and bet many many others will pay for a 1Ds that is light and smaller i.e. easily poirtable for a day long trek - te 1ds isn'rtt except for super heroes ;-) - OK call it a 3D if they must - I don't mind a bit;) :D

[cdesperado]

I'm with you on a lot of that, I Simonius.

I am eagerly awaiting the 5D2 and have been for quite some time. Although in comparison to the 1D line, I am sure it will lack weather sealing, AF points, focusing speed, and dual DIGIC III - I still think it will be a great camera - for serious hobbyists and pros alike.

Whatever they decide to do with the 1Ds3, I will be seriously evaluating the 5D2.

[mxwphoto]

How much does it cost to weather seal a camera anyway? Here I am seeing Pentaxes selling for less than $1k with sealing but a near $3k camera won't have it? I just don't get it...

[I Simonius]

How much does it cost to weather seal a camera anyway? Here I am seeing Pentaxes selling for less than $1k with sealing but a near $3k camera won't have it? I just don't get it...

you're right - it could jst be a 'prestige' thing....?

[Tom W]

How much does it cost to weather seal a camera anyway?

I guess that it depends on how good the sealing really is. The 30D/5D/400D will all work in a light drizzle, and can take a slight splash of water most of the time. But I wouldn't carry on unprotected in a heavy downpour.

I've yet to see a test where the 1-series Canon, Nikon D2x and D200, and other so-called weather-sealed cameras are test-dunked to see how good the sealing really works.

[I Simonius]

I guess that it depends on how good the sealing really is. The 30D/5D/400D will all work in a light drizzle, and can take a slight splash of water most of the time. But I wouldn't carry on unprotected in a heavy downpour.

I've yet to see a test where the 1-series Canon, Nikon D2x and D200, and other so-called weather-sealed cameras are test-dunked to see how good the sealing really works.

yeah Andy Rouse reports that he drowned his 1Ds when he fell in but letit dry out and next day it worked fine. I doubt many cameras would survive as well as that

I have to say I a shyu of taking it out in crappy weather though so W 5D would be splendid

[Sweetride01]

I have never used a 5D before myself, but I have seen the pictures it can take.
I would be quite pleased even to see minor improvements in it, even if it's just better weather sealing, a self-cleaning image sensor, and a few other upgrades, perhaps Digic3. It seems like doing these few things would still keep it pretty competitive, and more desirable than it's predecessor. I like the way it has the "prosumer" controls... I honestly don't like playing with my friends 1DMKII because I find it so difficult to use...

[I Simonius]

The problem is lack of competition!

I just want a 1Ds Mk3 (must be coming soon!) in a lighter pakage - THAT should be the next itteration of the 5D IMVHO;)

September??

[I Simonius]

hey anyone for a 50MP 5D???

OK not yet maybe but one day...:lol: :evil: :D ;)

[kristofor]

Ok,

My guess is that August there will be a 3 camera release. I would say the 40D, the 5d mk2, and the 1ds mk3, all released in august.

As long as the 5d mk2 is the same price as the current model I will buy without hesitation. I can't afford to buy a 1ds or the 1dmk3, but i will buy a 5d mk2.

what would be a bigger plus is if canon could release and have stock ready to ship at the same time! Non of this 30 or 40 days later rubbish. If they make a release I want it straight up.

Cheers,
kris

[I Simonius]

I guess they announce ahead to trounce the competition who usually announce before canon releases;)

Yup I reckon this AUG has to be the time for the new models

[kristofor]

Well the 5d was announced in late august initially.

I think we will have 3 releases over august or august/september if they break them up.

I would say 5dmk2 first, followed by the 40d, followed by the 1dsmk3.

However if announced all together they will hype about the 1ds mk3 and possibly the 5d mk2, and then slide the 40d in without as much fuss.

[blue_max]

I find it amazing that the 5d has been around almost two years and is still selling well. You can't say that about many consumer electronics items. However, there is a high expectation that it will be updated in some form - and it's anniversary would be as good a time as any. There does not seem to be any particular pattern to model releases, so it's hard to second guess Canon.

I am in the process of selling my 20d and hoping to upgrade to a 5d, but am hesitant to buy one at the moment. I do understand the arguements about there always being another round the corner, but if it includes an auto sensor clean and/or weather sealing and digic III, it may have a dramatic impact of second hand values of the MKI.

For some, waiting is a luxury then cannot afford. I cannot afford to have a camera devalue significantly overnight. I would love to have a two-year run as the current model.

I do hope I don't have to be without a camera for too long :cry:

Graham

[JohnnyG]

Ok,

My guess is that August there will be a 3 camera release. I would say the 40D, the 5d mk2, and the 1ds mk3, all released in august.

As long as the 5d mk2 is the same price as the current model I will buy without hesitation. I can't afford to buy a 1ds or the 1dmk3, but i will buy a 5d mk2.

what would be a bigger plus is if canon could release and have stock ready to ship at the same time! Non of this 30 or 40 days later rubbish. If they make a release I want it straight up.

Cheers,
kris
August would be okay, but would prefer June!:D:D:D

So, if you're guessing August for announcement, how about prices?

I'll start: 40D $1500.00
5D $2999.00 (could be more?)
1ds Mk III ?

[AcuraFan]

i really hate the fact there is no competition for the 5d FF, it makes canon slack off providing us with updates :)

new toys are good (depending on how you look at it)

[Yohan Pamudji]

I find it amazing that the 5d has been around almost two years and is still selling well. You can't say that about many consumer electronics items. However, there is a high expectation that it will be updated in some form - and it's anniversary would be as good a time as any. There does not seem to be any particular pattern to model releases, so it's hard to second guess Canon.

I am in the process of selling my 20d and hoping to upgrade to a 5d, but am hesitant to buy one at the moment. I do understand the arguements about there always being another round the corner, but if it includes an auto sensor clean and/or weather sealing and digic III, it may have a dramatic impact of second hand values of the MKI.

For some, waiting is a luxury then cannot afford. I cannot afford to have a camera devalue significantly overnight. I would love to have a two-year run as the current model.

I do hope I don't have to be without a camera for too long :cry:

Graham


You'll be without a camera for at least 3, probably 4 months if Canon do announce a new 5D in late August, and if they don't you will have lost those months for nothing. I would be shaking from photography withdrawal if I were in that situation! Couldn't you make do with your 20D until August/September to see what's coming? The 20D won't drop very much more in price regardless of whatever else comes out, whereas the 5D will simply because it has more room to drop in price. If resale value is your main concern that might be the way to go.

[JohnnyG]

I find it amazing that the 5d has been around almost two years and is still selling well. You can't say that about many consumer electronics items. However, there is a high expectation that it will be updated in some form - and it's anniversary would be as good a time as any. There does not seem to be any particular pattern to model releases, so it's hard to second guess Canon.

I am in the process of selling my 20d and hoping to upgrade to a 5d, but am hesitant to buy one at the moment. I do understand the arguements about there always being another round the corner, but if it includes an auto sensor clean and/or weather sealing and digic III, it may have a dramatic impact of second hand values of the MKI.

For some, waiting is a luxury then cannot afford. I cannot afford to have a camera devalue significantly overnight. I would love to have a two-year run as the current model.

I do hope I don't have to be without a camera for too long :cry:

Graham
I was saving my money to buy a 5D until I read a comparison of noise between it and the 20D and saw that the 20D was better with noise! I know a lot of 5D owners will put that test down as it was only one test but I have seen others that basically said the same. Personally, I recently shot some low light shots in a old mansion without flash. I used 1600iso and a 24-105 lens with IS. I shot some shots at 1/30 of a second. No blur and very little noise. I can't really see the noise but I'm sure it's there if you blow it up and pixel peep! After I saw that I thought, why do I really want to sell my 20D?

The main reason that I've changed my mind is the long lens problem. My favorite lens is my 100-400 and I don't want to lose the crop factor making it effectively 640mm. I then use a 1.5X extender and get 920mm. Wow!

I just can't give that up so I will go with the 40D or whatever it's called.

I also have decided to definitely not sell my 20D no matter what I buy! It's just too good of a camera.

This is all just my very humble opinion and doesn't count for anything more than that!

[blue_max]

The 20d is indeed a great camera. I am more than happy with it and it was a wrench to sell it, but time moves on. To be honest, I fell out of love with photography for the winter and need a kick-start. My lenses are great and I have sold a couple to whittle things down to four. I had a 10d before that and again, I did wonder what I was doing selling it. In reality, a 10d is now nearly worthless (dispite being a good camera).

I could probably go either way, sell everything, or upgrade a little. I even thought about going back to a G7 or something. For me, it's only a hobby and with two kids and a business to run, it's hard to find 'me time'.

Now you can hang on to equipment forever, but it's probably better to sell them whilst there is still a demand for them. The 30d did not have too much impact, but the next model might. If I was using it intensively, that might change things, but as an occasional user, I need to think more carefully where I want to be. I am impressed with the way the 1d range holds it's value. More outlay, but having a low shutter count model with allow a very healthy second-hand value. It may actually cost less in the long run.

Everyone is different and has a different perspective on this. However, I will stick with Canon as I have been very happy. If they pop out a 5d mkII, I would be very tempted. A 1dmIINII or whatever they might call it would also get my attention.

It's a difficult call for a hobbyist!

Graham

[kristofor]

August would be okay, but would prefer June!:D:D:D

So, if you're guessing August for announcement, how about prices?

I'll start: 40D $1500.00
5D $2999.00 (could be more?)
1ds Mk III ?

June would be faantastic. I have a bday in a week so id shout myself the 5d mk2:lol: However in reality it probably wont be this month, which is ok because it gives me some time to get more money for more L Glass. However I want canon to be like apple and get their stock ready to ship before they make an announcement. I wan't it as soon as they announce.

I would said that the prices would be about the same as the current models RRP, they would be silly to increase the price by much.

I would give specific's but I am not sure of the rrp for america.

In Australia the 5d has a RRP of $4999 AUD($4250ish US).

I would deffinately say 40D, and 5dmk2 at the same price as current models, and the 1ds mk3 will drop in price, but not by much.

[Yohan Pamudji]

June would be faantastic. I have a bday in a week so id shout myself the 5d mk2:lol: However in reality it probably wont be this month, which is ok because it gives me some time to get more money for more L Glass. However I want canon to be like apple and get their stock ready to ship before they make an announcement. I wan't it as soon as they announce.

You mean like the iPhone that was announced months ago but still not shipping? :D

I would said that the prices would be about the same as the current models RRP, they would be silly to increase the price by much.

Agreed. There's not much incentive for Canon to drop their prices on the 5D, since it has no direct competition. I think the 5D debuted at $3299, so I would expect the next one to debut at about the same price.

[kristofor]

You mean like the iPhone that was announced months ago but still not shipping? :D

Agreed. There's not much incentive for Canon to drop their prices on the 5D, since it has no direct competition. I think the 5D debuted at $3299, so I would expect the next one to debut at about the same price.

Hahaha, I gotta wait till next yr before the iphone get's released in Australia.

However all of apples other releases e.g the mac pro have been ready to ship when they announced.

[fteter]

I heard the reason the iPhone is not shipping yet is because Apple learned that the new 5D also surfs the Internet and works as a phone :p

[AdamJL]

The 20d is indeed a great camera. I am more than happy with it and it was a wrench to sell it, but time moves on. To be honest, I fell out of love with photography for the winter and need a kick-start. My lenses are great and I have sold a couple to whittle things down to four. I had a 10d before that and again, I did wonder what I was doing selling it. In reality, a 10d is now nearly worthless (dispite being a good camera).

I could probably go either way, sell everything, or upgrade a little. I even thought about going back to a G7 or something. For me, it's only a hobby and with two kids and a business to run, it's hard to find 'me time'.

Now you can hang on to equipment forever, but it's probably better to sell them whilst there is still a demand for them. The 30d did not have too much impact, but the next model might. If I was using it intensively, that might change things, but as an occasional user, I need to think more carefully where I want to be. I am impressed with the way the 1d range holds it's value. More outlay, but having a low shutter count model with allow a very healthy second-hand value. It may actually cost less in the long run.

Everyone is different and has a different perspective on this. However, I will stick with Canon as I have been very happy. If they pop out a 5d mkII, I would be very tempted. A 1dmIINII or whatever they might call it would also get my attention.

It's a difficult call for a hobbyist!

Graham

You mean the new 1D MK III?

[I Simonius]

August would be okay, but would prefer June!:D:D:D

So, if you're guessing August for announcement, how about prices?

I'll start: 40D $1500.00
5D $2999.00 (could be more?)
1ds Mk III ?
The only guide is what went B4 so on that basis prices wil be pretty much the same except perhaps for the 40D which does have direct competition (Noink)so will be priced accordionlilly;) :D

I heard the reason the iPhone is not shipping yet is because Apple learned that the new 5D also surfs the Internet and works as a phone :p

but will the iPhone have dust removal???

You mean the new 1D MK III?

I will also be looking at the 1Ds Mk3, and will dfinitely save my pennies toward it IF it is light enough. If it wheighs the same ( or close to ) the Mk2, I would need as new back transplant and a shoulder lift to accomodate it:lol:

[blue_max]

You mean the new 1D MK III?

Ah yes, I was thinking it was the 1dsmkIII, but the price tag has my attention for the wrong reasons :)

It's a shame there is such a cavernous difference between the 30d and the next model 5d at more than twice the price. I am forced to downgrade as I can't stretch to upgrade.

The double whammy is if they introduce the new model at a keener price than the original.

It seems the 30d is being discounted in the US, but is pretty firm here. Maybe it's just the retailers getting nervous!

Graham

[kristofor]

Ah yes, I was thinking it was the 1dsmkIII, but the price tag has my attention for the wrong reasons :)

It's a shame there is such a cavernous difference between the 30d and the next model 5d at more than twice the price. I am forced to downgrade as I can't stretch to upgrade.

The double whammy is if they introduce the new model at a keener price than the original.

It seems the 30d is being discounted in the US, but is pretty firm here. Maybe it's just the retailers getting nervous!

Graham

Canon have rebates going on the 30D here in Australia, and stores already seem to be lowering the price. I think new camera models are close.

[blue_max]

Canon have rebates going on the 30D here in Australia, and stores already seem to be lowering the price. I think new camera models are close.

Or maybe sales are slow due to the speculation of new models, so they are trying to maintain usual sales. Another thought is that maybe the new models will come in with lower prices, so they are trying to 'soften' the blow to existing customers.

Basically, there are so many ways to view this, that I don't think we could draw any firm conclusions. The best advice seems to be, if you need a camera now, buy one now. If waiting doesn't cause you any inconvenience, it would be better to give it a couple of months. You also have to factor into the equasion the value of your existing kit if another replaces it.

It amazes me that Canon can keep something like this secret - especially if production has already started. There must be so many people involved with it. There must be some severe threats being made!

Graham

[kristofor]

Absolutely must be some severe threats.

Although it wouldn't hurt for canon to give us a hint.

Apple has trouble all the time with people leaking info to websites. Pictures of Leopard ended up on a website and the website was forced to take them down or else be sued by Apple.

I think the companies take it pretty seriously.

[Atlasman]

The less they leak, the more we speculate.

[kristofor]

The less they leak, the more we speculate.

So True,

Although with 2007 being canon's 70th bday and the 20th aniversary of the Eos system, you would think they might make some major releases in terms of the 30D, 5d, and 1ds lines.

My guess is, 10th of August 2007, will have a major announcement to conincide with canon's birthday. Canon started on 10th of August 1937.

We had the 1d mk3 announcement in march which was the 20th aniversary of the eos system.

I think August will be a big month for releases.

[Atlasman]

So True,

Although with 2007 being canon's 70th bday and the 20th aniversary of the Eos system, you would think they might make some major releases in terms of the 30D, 5d, and 1ds lines.

My guess is, 10th of August 2007, will have a major announcement to conincide with canon's birthday. Canon started on 10th of August 1937.

We had the 1d mk3 announcement in march which was the 20th aniversary of the eos system.

I think August will be a big month for releases.

If I was doing their marketing, Canon's birthday would definitely be a consideration. But I wouldn't empty all of my bullets here.

I think they will announce an update to the 30D, just before the next major trade show.

I'm hoping to see a trickle of 1D MKIII technology down to the 1.6 crop cams.

[phsv]

When is the next major trade show? I thought PMA was one of THE ones that would determine a lot of releases. (please ignore my ignorance) :P

[kristofor]

When is the next major trade show? I thought PMA was one of THE ones that would determine a lot of releases. (please ignore my ignorance) :P

i think the next major show is in september.

Original 5d was announced in August for availability in october.

i think Canon will deffinately play the 70 year card. All these rumours about nikon announcing something in late july, might be nikons attempt to upstage canon. i wouldn't be suprised if canon hit back hard with major releases.

[SunTsu]

I'm not up to speed on the Nikon rumours. Are you referring to rumours of new Nikon bodies?

[kristofor]

I'm not up to speed on the Nikon rumours. Are you referring to rumours of new Nikon bodies?

Yep, However I was wrong, the date is actually late june.

Apparently some people have been contacted by nikon and requested to attend an event where nikon will shwocase their new dslr pro body.

There is another rumour forum on it, however the link to the article is here

http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/13/nikon-getting-set-to-unveil-next-gen-professional-dslr/

I like nikon will make an announcement, and I think canon will better it.

[I Simonius]

I like nikon will make an announcement, and I think canon will better it.

they always do;) :lol:

any guesses then for the canon reciprocal announcements???

Any one care to speculate???;) :cool:

[I Simonius]

(RUBS HANDS)

here we go folks!:cool:

[kristofor]

(RUBS HANDS)

here we go folks!:cool:

5d mk2, at 15-17mp, 3-5fps, and more AF points then the current model, but won't match the 1dmk3. Possibily weather sealing, or atleast a semi-weather sealed model.

40D, 12mp on a bigger sensor, 5fps,

1ds mk3, 22mp, 5fps, live view, more AF points, super quiet shutter(compared to normal).

All released at the same time, and announced either all at one on 10th of August, or stagered.

[I Simonius]

5d mk2, at 15-17mp, 3-5fps, and more AF points then the current model, but won't match the 1dmk3. Possibily weather sealing, or atleast a semi-weather sealed model.

40D, 12mp on a bigger sensor, 5fps,

1ds mk3, 22mp, 5fps, live view, more AF points, super quiet shutter(compared to normal).

All released at the same time, and announced either all at one on 10th of August, or stagered.

So will you go for the 5D2 or the 1Ds3?

For me I will consider the 1Ds3 IF it is MUCH lighter:cool:

Otherwise I wonder whether the difference between 12MP and 17 will be enough to upgrade ?

It wil however be a strong incentive for NEW buyers to get the 5D - it'll be a 1Ds2 in a lighter package they always wanted ( as I did when I got the 5D):cool:

[Atlasman]

5d mk2, at 15-17mp, 3-5fps, and more AF points then the current model, but won't match the 1dmk3. Possibily weather sealing, or atleast a semi-weather sealed model.

40D, 12mp on a bigger sensor, 5fps,

1ds mk3, 22mp, 5fps, live view, more AF points, super quiet shutter(compared to normal).

All released at the same time, and announced either all at one on 10th of August, or stagered.

The 40D will never get a bigger sensor. It's market segment is the 1.6/1.5 crop--that's if the 40D designation is for the successor of the 30D.

[Andy_T]

5d mk2, at 15-17mp, 3-5fps, and more AF points then the current model, but won't match the 1dmk3. Possibily weather sealing, or atleast a semi-weather sealed model.


Yes, that would make financial sense for Canon. Kill sales on the 1DsII and its possible successor :wink:

Mind you, Marketing is not so much about giving the customer all he wants, but giving him *enough* he considers to buy the product ... but at the same time making sure that potential 1DIII/1DsIII buyers still feel the need to buy that instead of the alternative that's half or one third the price...

My best guess is that the 5DMKII will be similar to the 30D upgrade over the 20D ... same imager, but larger LCD, faster AF, maybe increased framerate (4-5 fps). Maybe include that useless 'dust removal' vibration thingy :wink:
The current 5D is already a great camera with no competition out there. The model to compete with the NOINK D200 should and will be the 40D.

Best regards,
Andy

[I Simonius]

Y

My best guess is that the 5DMKII will be similar to the 30D upgrade over the 20D ...
Best regards,
Andy

Darn - I hope not!

There surely is a huge demand for LIGHT FF camera with more MPs, that doesn't cost £5000+

[Yohan Pamudji]

40D... will... not... be... on... a... bigger... sensor

I know we love to speculate, but 40D moving away from a 1.6x crop sensor is just daydreaming :)

But back on the 5D topic, I'll do some wishful thinking of my own and hope that the 5DII will have AF that is closer to the 1D-series than the 30D. I was on the fence about whether to get another 1DII or a 5D as a backup, and the 5D's AF is what ultimately pushed me to the 1DII side. I know that putting actual 1D-series AF in the 5DII would kill 1DIII sales from the enthusiast market, so Canon won't do that, but geez can we get something better than prosumer AF in a $3000+ body??? Something like 15 or more AF points spread out in a grid (not this diamond pattern nonsense), with multiple cross-type sensors spread out in a rule of thirds pattern--this would make me get a 5DII, even if they changed nothing else, although weather sealing would be a cheap option to add considering that Pentax has a sub-$1k body with weather sealing. Here is my semi-reasonable 5DII wish list that would make it hard for me to resist:

12-16MP (stay at 12MP with even better high ISO would be ideal)
ISO6400 max
5 fps
better AF performance and layout with multiple cross-type AF sensors
weather sealing
full-time ISO display in viewfinder (not just when changing ISO)
anti-dust feature

That's all. Is that so much to ask? :) Although I would still have gear lust just because that's the way I am, I think I would use a camera with these features until it fell apart. That's probably why Canon won't put it out--many people would never upgrade from it.

[fi20100]

How about:

14MP (the bumps are usually small)
ISO 6400 max
4-5 fps
better AF (between the MK3 and 40D (whatever that will be)
no weather sealing (only for 1D bodies)
more info in the VF
anti-dust feature
3" LCD

[tuan209]

How about:

14MP (the bumps are usually small)
ISO 6400 max
4-5 fps
better AF (between the MK3 and 40D (whatever that will be)
no weather sealing (only for 1D bodies)
more info in the VF
anti-dust feature
3" LCD


That might be enough for me to upgrade from my 30D. :)

[kristofor]

40D... will... not... be... on... a... bigger... sensor

I know we love to speculate, but 40D moving away from a 1.6x crop sensor is just daydreaming :)

But back on the 5D topic, I'll do some wishful thinking of my own and hope that the 5DII will have AF that is closer to the 1D-series than the 30D. I was on the fence about whether to get another 1DII or a 5D as a backup, and the 5D's AF is what ultimately pushed me to the 1DII side. I know that putting actual 1D-series AF in the 5DII would kill 1DIII sales from the enthusiast market, so Canon won't do that, but geez can we get something better than prosumer AF in a $3000+ body??? Something like 15 or more AF points spread out in a grid (not this diamond pattern nonsense), with multiple cross-type sensors spread out in a rule of thirds pattern--this would make me get a 5DII, even if they changed nothing else, although weather sealing would be a cheap option to add considering that Pentax has a sub-$1k body with weather sealing. Here is my semi-reasonable 5DII wish list that would make it hard for me to resist:

12-16MP (stay at 12MP with even better high ISO would be ideal)
ISO6400 max
5 fps
better AF performance and layout with multiple cross-type AF sensors
weather sealing
full-time ISO display in viewfinder (not just when changing ISO)
anti-dust feature

That's all. Is that so much to ask? :) Although I would still have gear lust just because that's the way I am, I think I would use a camera with these features until it fell apart. That's probably why Canon won't put it out--many people would never upgrade from it.


Deffinately they need the weather sealing.

I think canon realise that enough people use the 5d for professional work, so it would make sense to atleast provide some level of sealing. So i'm with you on that.

I think that would be a good camera though. Regardless of if they up the mp or not.

I'm guessing canon will put in maybe an 18point AF system. That way it's quicker but not quick enough to compete with a 1d.

I'll buy a 5dmk2 if it had the same mp, but better iso performance, Af, faster fps, and weather sealing.

[I Simonius]

Deffinately they need the weather sealing.

I think canon realise that enough people use the 5d for professional work, so it would make sense to atleast provide some level of sealing. So i'm with you on that.

I think that would be a good camera though. Regardless of if they up the mp or not.

I'm guessing canon will put in maybe an 18point AF system. That way it's quicker but not quick enough to compete with a 1d.

I'll buy a 5dmk2 if it had the same mp, but better iso performance, Af, faster fps, and weather sealing.

Weathwer seling would be good but I really wonder whether theyt will despite all the cries for it

I don't think they will weather seal or faster fps but will up the MP to 18 and Digic 3 - now if they improve the AF I'd buy it for that alone!;) :D

[Atlasman]

Weathwer seling would be good but I really wonder whether theyt will despite all the cries for it

I don't think they will weather seal or faster fps but will up the MP to 18 and Digic 3 - now if they improve the AF I'd buy it for that alone!;) :D

Focusing on the 5D is outstanding!

I'd want better ISO performance, higher dynamic range.

And if Canon could pull it off... inter-changeable image sensors--just like you change lenses!:D :D :D

[Yohan Pamudji]

Focusing on the 5D is outstanding!

It's certainly not terrible, but it needs improvement. My biggest gripe is the diamond AF sensor layout. I mean, come on. Canon actually brags on this "patented" layout they have in their promotional material, but let's face it--it's crap. If I have a subject at any intersection of the rule of thirds lines (upper left, upper right, lower left, lower right) I'm guaranteed to have to focus and recompose, and recompose quite a lot at that. With a large aperture and the even shallower DOF of a fullframe sensor, that spells disaster. And the AF points might cover a significant portion of the 20D viewfinder, but on the fullframe 5D it doesn't come close. At the very, very least, PLEASE scrap the diamond layout for something more sensible and practical, and add more focus points to cover a larger area.

Not having used a 5D I can't comment on how close it is to 1D-series performance in AF, but the fact that it uses basically a 20D AF-point layout makes me think that the sensors are similar if not the same, and the AF performance is closer to 20D than 1D, which is to say it's very good but not great. One Shot AF is pretty much even between the 20D and 1DII in my experience, but the 1DII is far superior in AI Servo tracking, and that's why I'd like to see the 5D Mark II or whatever have AF closer to 1D-series than 20D/30D.

[I Simonius]

It's certainly not terrible, but it needs improvement. My biggest gripe is the diamond AF sensor layout. I mean, come on. Canon actually brags on this "patented" layout they have in their promotional material, but let's face it--it's crap. If I have a subject at any intersection of the rule of thirds lines (upper left, upper right, lower left, lower right) I'm guaranteed to have to focus and recompose, and recompose quite a lot at that. With a large aperture and the even shallower DOF of a fullframe sensor, that spells disaster. And the AF points might cover a significant portion of the 20D viewfinder, but on the fullframe 5D it doesn't come close. At the very, very least, PLEASE scrap the diamond layout for something more sensible and practical, and add more focus points to cover a larger area.



yes - this is exactly the problem

You have to focus and recompose, in low light especially, with the middle focus point which just doesn't work well with fast lenses (i.e. V shallow DOF) in bad light because the suject will hvemoved or the relative point of focus ill have by recomposing.

For portraits and in portrait orientation the top focus pint just doesn't cut it for fast AF n bad light on , say, the person's eye. Too many shots are OOF.

So the arguement IMO is for not just focus points at the rule of thirds points but especially at the middle of the thirds line for catching the critical focus of eye of the subject

[AdamJL]

I'm happy with the 5D's f/2.8-or-faster focussing capabilities...
But you guys are right, the 5D can be improved. I'm not a fan of the diamond layout at all. Just give me a grid layout and I'm happy (although it'd make choosing a focus point with the dial a little harder. Perhaps default to joystick control?)

One thing that would be nice is Eye Focus. The original EOS 5 (which I have) was the first camera to bring it out. It wasn't a pro model, but a prosumer camera, so I see no reason why Eye control has to be released in a 1 series body first.
http://www.canon.com/camera-museum/camera/1992-1996/data/1992_eos5_qd.html

So:
Weather Sealing
Eye Control
Dust Removal
ISO 6400
AF improvements
Digic III and dynamic range

Then I'm a happy chappy and will gladly part with my money.

[I Simonius]

I'm happy with the 5D's f/2.8-or-faster focussing capabilities...
But you guys are right, the 5D can be improved. I'm not a fan of the diamond layout at all. Just give me a grid layout and I'm happy (although it'd make choosing a focus point with the dial a little harder. Perhaps default to joystick control?)

One thing that would be nice is Eye Focus. The original EOS 5 (which I have) was the first camera to bring it out. It wasn't a pro model, but a prosumer camera, so I see no reason why Eye control has to be released in a 1 series body first.
http://www.canon.com/camera-museum/camera/1992-1996/data/1992_eos5_qd.html

So:
Weather Sealing
Eye Control
Dust Removal
ISO 6400
AF improvements
Digic III and dynamic range

Then I'm a happy chappy and will gladly part with my money.

Don't fancy eye control myself _ I hope it could be turned off if they do introduce it!

[AdamJL]

Have you used it?

[I Simonius]

Have you used it?

the 5D or eye control?

I haven't used eye contol - no - I am not saying it shouldn't be a feature just that - not having used it - I would want it to be turned off if I didnt like it;)

[AdamJL]

Lol.. well it was an option you didn't have to use in the EOS 5 (not 5D), so yeah, you can turn it off.
It had it's own problems, and I wish Canon took the technology further, because by now, it'd be blisteringly fast.

[I Simonius]

Lol.. well it was an option you didn't have to use in the EOS 5 (not 5D), so yeah, you can turn it off.
It had it's own problems, and I wish Canon took the technology further, because by now, it'd be blisteringly fast.

There must be a reason why they didnt take it further
;) :p

[AdamJL]

Yeah, it never worked 100% of the time :(

But if they gave up that easily, we'd never have anything.

[Atlasman]

I own a 5D and 20D and there is a world of difference in focusing accuracy. My brother owns the 1DMKIIn and the 5D and he has nothing but praise for the focusing power of the 5D.

If Canon puts the 5D focusing into the next generation of the 1.6 crop line of cameras, I will replace the 20D--the focusing would be the compelling reason.

As to the focusing points, there's always room for improvement.

[I Simonius]

Yeah, it never worked 100% of the time :(

But if they gave up that easily, we'd never have anything.

I doubt they gave up easily;)

[I Simonius]

I own a 5D and 20D and there is a world of difference in focusing accuracy. My brother owns the 1DMKIIn and the 5D and he has nothing but praise for the focusing power of the 5D.

If Canon puts the 5D focusing into the next generation of the 1.6 crop line of cameras, I will replace the 20D--the focusing would be the compelling reason.

As to the focusing points, there's always room for improvement.

There's alot of good points about the 5Ds focussing as long as you are using the centre point and the invisible points around it.

It is when you need recourse to the other points that's things go downhill - and the problem is that you need one point at least for portrait that is not in the centre;)

So I really hope canon has heard this from some quarter and puts in a second superduper focussing point, ideally where the eye is most likely to be in portrait orientation :-)

[Yohan Pamudji]

There's alot of good points about the 5Ds focussing as long as you are using the centre point and the invisible points around it.

It is when you need recourse to the other points that's things go downhill - and the problem is that you need one point at least for portrait that is not in the centre;)

So I really hope canon has heard this from some quarter and puts in a second superduper focussing point, ideally where the eye is most likely to be in portrait orientation :-)

They added a lot more cross-type sensors in the 1DIII compared to the 1DII/N (19 vs. 7, wow!) and spread them out instead of clustering them all in the middle, so there's always hope!

I set my 1DII to only have 11 selectable focus points. 9 of the points are in a rectangular grid, with the remaining two located at either end of the square. If Canon put this in the next 5D and made all of the AF points cross-type, that would be plenty good enough for me. Shoot, if that's all they changed, that'd be enough for me to get one. But don't tell Canon :)

[I Simonius]

7D?

why on erf would they callthe 5DMK2 a 7D???:rolleyes:

[kristofor]

7D?

why on erf would they callthe 5DMK2 a 7D???:rolleyes:

I don't think they will, unless they are planning on splitting up the 5d into 2 different models. Otherwise i think it will be 5d mk2.

[Atlasman]

The next rev of the 5D could also be 5D MKIn?

I think Canon would focus on the 30D line as the next camera release. I think the 30D took the back seat so they could release the 5D.

[I Simonius]

The next rev of the 5D could also be 5D MKIn?

I think Canon would focus on the 30D line as the next camera release. I think the 30D took the back seat so they could release the 5D.

Isn't the 5D quite a bit longer in the tooth than the 30D though? I agree the 40D has to be imminent buut that doesn't preclude their updating the 5D as well

[Atlasman]

Isn't the 5D quite a bit longer in the tooth than the 30D though? I agree the 40D has to be imminent buut that doesn't preclude their updating the 5D as well

I think the 5D will just get a re-fresh.

[Tom W]

I think the 5D will just get a re-fresh.

That depends on what the competitors are going to bring to the table in the next year or so. If Nikon or Sony is really working on a full-framer (or something close), expect Canon to up the ante a bit.

Also, consider that there may be production issues that might require Canon to change the sensor. The 5D's sensor was based somewhat on that of the 1D2n, and may have used the same initial wafers in the early stages of assembly. If that is so, look for the next rendition of the 5D to utilize the same pixel density as the 1D3.

[I Simonius]

That depends on what the competitors are going to bring to the table in the next year or so. If Nikon or Sony is really working on a full-framer (or something close), expect Canon to up the ante a bit.

Also, consider that there may be production issues that might require Canon to change the sensor. The 5D's sensor was based somewhat on that of the 1D2n, and may have used the same initial wafers in the early stages of assembly. If that is so, look for the next rendition of the 5D to utilize the same pixel density as the 1D3.

Any idea what MPs would that density attribute to a FF sensor?

[fi20100]

Any idea what MPs would that density attribute to a FF sensor?


15MP I would guess :)

[slavik13]

Just saw this...

http://www.engadget.com/2007/07/06/purported-shots-of-canon-5d-mark-ii-surface-online/

Rumour at this point, so take it with a grain of salt

[Atlasman]

That depends on what the competitors are going to bring to the table in the next year or so. If Nikon or Sony is really working on a full-framer (or something close), expect Canon to up the ante a bit.

Also, consider that there may be production issues that might require Canon to change the sensor. The 5D's sensor was based somewhat on that of the 1D2n, and may have used the same initial wafers in the early stages of assembly. If that is so, look for the next rendition of the 5D to utilize the same pixel density as the 1D3.

You might be right that the 1D2n and 5D shared the same wafer and if that's the case, economy of scale will require a similar situation with the 1D3 and the next generation of the 5D.

[JohnnyG]

I would definitely agree on a refresh of the 5D. 15mp sounds about right and some weatherproofing would be nice. A little larger screen in back, increase in iso and a few other toys and it would be a winner for sure!

[I Simonius]

You might be right that the 1D2n and 5D shared the same wafer and if that's the case, economy of scale will require a similar situation with the 1D3 and the next generation of the 5D.

sounds sensible, but 15MP? pah!
Good for first time buyers but not fro upgrading :-(

[Tom W]

If they maintain the same wafer as is used on the 1D3, the resulting sensor will have approximately 16.5 mpx if my math is correct (3888 pixels * 36/28.1)*(2592 pixels * 24/18.7) = 16,511,297 pixels.

Add in a few bells and whistles and it may draw some buyers.

[I Simonius]

Add in a few bells and whistles and it may draw some buyers.

or buy some new drawers!:lol:

[I Simonius]

I would definitely agree on a refresh of the 5D. 15mp sounds about right and some weatherproofing would be nice. A little larger screen in back, increase in iso and a few other toys and it would be a winner for sure!


That might be all we get - Im afraid you're goin to be right - lets hope that the MP is a just little higher though

The only two things I really care about and more MP and more Custom setting on the dial, weather proofing would be nice but not if it' would up the price too much

[radiohead]

I'm struggling to see the need for more than 12 or so MP more most applications. I certainly have never needed it for weddings.

I'd like to see in-VF ISO all the time, better DR as long as is don't slow the camera to a crawl like the S5 Pro at 400%, the ability to assign the front and rear scroll wheels as I like and a better menu navigation system. The anti-aliased fonts of the D200 are still the ones to beat. Oh, and an easier way into MLU.

If I'm pushing it, the ability to write to 2 cards as well please.

[I Simonius]

I'm struggling to see the need for more than 12 or so MP more most applications. I certainly have never needed it for weddings.

weddings aren't the only application for the 5D:rolleyes: ;)
the other major use is landscape (because it's lighter than 1Ds) where higher MP & weather sealing are being dreamed of.

I'd like to see in-VF ISO all the time, better DR as long as is don't slow the camera to a crawl like the S5 Pro at 400%, the ability to assign the front and rear scroll wheels as I like and a better menu navigation system. The anti-aliased fonts of the D200 are still the ones to beat. Oh, and an easier way into MLU.

If I'm pushing it, the ability to write to 2 cards as well please.

I'm definitely with you on the VF ISO, and easier MLU!

[mtndew]

It'll be nice to see about 16mp, an onboard Flash, sensor cleaner & weatherproofing also bump up the fps

[blue_max]

I'd be happy if they just sold the current model for half the price.

Graham

[I Simonius]

It'll be nice to see about 16mp, an onboard Flash, sensor cleaner & weatherproofing also bump up the fps

onboard flash?:rolleyes: where would they put it?;)

[blue_max]

onboard flash?:rolleyes: where would they put it?;)

If they reduced the size of the sensor, they could probably fit it on top ;)

Graham

[I Simonius]

If they reduced the size of the sensor, they could probably fit it on top ;)

Graham

now there's thought!

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[fi20100]

I rather have larger viewfinder than a onboard flash.

[I Simonius]

I rather have larger viewfinder than a onboard flash.

NOW you're talking!

A VF like the 1Ds would be groooooooovy! :D

[lowcrust]

I'd rather not have a built-in flash on above-5D-level cameras at all.

[JohnnyG]

I'd rather not have a built-in flash on above-5D-level cameras at all.
Why would you wish that? Some kind of pride or something???

[Yohan Pamudji]

Why would you wish that? Some kind of pride or something???

Because on-board flash is pretty useless if you have a big-ish lens mounted on your camera. 20D on-board flash + 24-70L with hood on = annoying shadow cast by hood. Some say that on-board flash is nice to have in a pinch, but I'd rather not pay for a feature I'd never use. Plus on-board flash shots always seem to come out so snapshot-y.

[JohnnyG]

Because on-board flash is pretty useless if you have a big-ish lens mounted on your camera. 20D on-board flash + 24-70L with hood on = annoying shadow cast by hood. Some say that on-board flash is nice to have in a pinch, but I'd rather not pay for a feature I'd never use. Plus on-board flash shots always seem to come out so snapshot-y.
Agreed on the limitations but sure better than nothing when you need it.

As far as paying for it, maybe they could make it an optional feature? Oh I know they wouldn't do that but what the heck???

I'm sure there are "pros" that would consider me crass here but I'm not trying to be. If the pros don't want it included, like yourself, then so be it. But, there is always a certain number of any camera's sales to the uninitiated and that should be thought of too. Or at least I think they should be. I don't want a 5D but if I did, I would want the onboard flash.

[I Simonius]

As far as paying for it, maybe they could make it an optional feature? Oh I know they wouldn't do that but what the heck???


it IS an optional feature!:rolleyes: you just screw it on the top and swivel any which way. There are even different sizes (580, 480 etc.) - how many options do you need?;)

[kristofor]

it IS an optional feature!:rolleyes: you just screw it on the top and swivel any which way. There are even different sizes (580, 480 etc.) - how many options do you need?;)

They could always just include a 430 or a 580 ex in the box with the camera:)

[I Simonius]

They could always just include a 430 or a 580 ex in the box with the camera:)

and a couple of lenses.....;)

[Sprout Crumble]

Because on-board flash is pretty useless if you have a big-ish lens mounted on your camera. 20D on-board flash + 24-70L with hood on = annoying shadow cast by hood. Some say that on-board flash is nice to have in a pinch, but I'd rather not pay for a feature I'd never use. Plus on-board flash shots always seem to come out so snapshot-y.

They managed to fit a flash to the old EOS 5/Elan 2 without compromising the viewfinder so whats the big deal?

Its a very useful feature to have as we don't all spend every moment with our cameras trying to be David Bailey. Sometimes even dslr users take snapshots.

[I Simonius]

They managed to fit a flash to the old EOS 5/Elan 2 without compromising the viewfinder so whats the big deal?

er.. the FF sensor...;)

Its a very useful feature to have as we don't all spend every moment with our cameras trying to be David Bailey. Sometimes even dslr users take snapshots.
Can this be true?:eek: :lol: ;)


What with all the talk of the 1Dsmk3 coming and it being a 22MP sensor 'n all 'n all, there should be no reason now why the 5Dmk2 shouldn't have a 16-18MP sensor.. if only they would hurry up and 'leak' it!:lol: