NEW 5D RUMOUR !!

[drogos]

1.08GIGAPIXELS to make a 30x40
54MP to make a 20x30
43MP to make a 20x24
28.8MP to make a 16x20


you got to double check your calculations, especially the GIGA part, also i agree that pixels sell cameras but more pixels at reasonalble photodiode size DO make better prints. Maybe You have to compare your 8 megapixel print to heavier caliber like medium format maybe or 1ds mark II ...if You still can't see the difference i guess our standards are very different
And guys i am participating in this discussion too but it gets more and more pathetic . 12, 15, 18 ... Stop whining about those pixels already and go out and shoot ...geeezzzz !!!:)

[I Simonius]

Sorry, folks, pixels beyond a minimum just don't really matter. I have 30x40's printed from my 8MP camera, sent to the lab at 72dpi, that are phenomenal. No pixelation, no loss of detail, incredible.


I have no way of proving or disproving what you say I can only relate my own experiences, although very large prints are usually done at 150dpi as I understand it, so ina way that even strangthens your arguement

I certainly have 17" wide prints from my old 20D that are impressive and no obvious difference at that size with the 5D pixelwise but there is a difference in the quality of light. However I have not been that impressed with 24" wide images from either camera, not that they aren't good, just not as good as I would like to see, and I remain convinced that a higher MP count will show in prints 24" and larger.

Expertise in sharpening techniques alone could make up for sucha difference in pixel count but all things being equal I am convinced we will see (large) prints from higher MP cameras that do outshine prints from smaller MPs. The differences will be insignificant at some sizes and clearly noticable at others.

I have thought this ever since seeing two side by side prints I had from my 5D and a borrowed 1Ds mk 2. It was a portrait and te hair definition was noticable better to my eye from the 1Ds

That is what I have been driven by to get an 18 MP camera, although , as I have said before elsewhere an 18MP camera (FF) would be enough for me , I could not in the forseable future require a higher MP count than that.

So for my part, I stioll hanker after 18MPs and would be hard to convinvce that less would fulfill my photographic ambitions and desires

[I Simonius]

you got to double check your calculations, especially the GIGA part, also i agree that pixels sell cameras but more pixels at reasonalble photodiode size DO make better prints. Maybe You have to compare your 8 megapixel print to heavier caliber like medium format maybe or 1ds mark II ...if You still can't see the difference i guess our standards are very different
And guys i am participating in this discussion too but it gets more and more pathetic . 12, 15, 18 ... Stop whining about those pixels already and go out and shoot ...geeezzzz !!!:)

AFAIC I am out and shooting, but that doesn't preclude my aspiring to improved technology any more than it did when I first started photography. I remember shooting exclusively with Agfapan 25 which I developed and printed myself, to get the most out of my camera and lenses, and noticing for example that the 50mmf1.8 was much sharper than the 50mm f1.4. These things were important to me then just as they are now.

I am a person to whom definition, resolution and sharpness play a big part in the craft through which I attempt to express my vision. I have a drive to achieve a type of image that has a s a prerequisit the potential for cutting sharpness, yet I have chosen fomr an early time to do tis with the 35mm format.

Therefore I have always been interested in the cutting edge of resolving power of the medium over and above the speed of film or sensor or colour or grain or (contemporarily) photosite characteristics.

This is purely personal, is a reflection of my character, (of having both moon and rising sign in Virgo - to those that understand Astrology). I have not an obsession with image detail but an intricate and important relationhsip wit it, so the more detail can be resolvedthe more I feel I have the pallette that suits my style

I am only interested in what others want or aspire it in so far as it will help me to get what I want i.e. lend their voices to mine; I have no argument with anyone else's POV ( if they think mine's 'pathetic' so be it, I really don't care) , as their style and modus operandii are as valid as mine; that won't prevent me trying to garner support for a tool that meets my hopes though;):D

[drogos]

AFAIC I am out and shooting, but that doesn't preclude my aspiring to improved technology any more than it did when I first started photography. I remember shooting exclusively with Agfapan 25 which I developed and printed myself, to get the most out of my camera and lenses, and noticing for example that the 50mmf1.8 was much sharper than the 50mm f1.4. These things were important to me then just as they are now.

I am a person to whom definition, resolution and sharpness play a big part in the craft through which I attempt to express my vision. I have a drive to achieve a type of image that has a s a prerequisit the potential for cutting sharpness, yet I have chosen fomr an early time to do tis with the 35mm format.

Therefore I have always been interested in the cutting edge of resolving power of the medium over and above the speed of film or sensor or colour or grain or (contemporarily) photosite characteristics.

This is purely personal, is a reflection of my character, (of having both moon and rising sign in Virgo - to those that understand Astrology). I have not an obsession with image detail but an intricate and important relationhsip wit it, so the more detail can be resolvedthe more I feel I have the pallette that suits my style

I am only interested in what others want or aspire it in so far as it will help me to get what I want i.e. lend their voices to mine; I have no argument with anyone else's POV ( if they think mine's 'pathetic' so be it, I really don't care) , as their style and modus operandii are as valid as mine; that won't prevent me trying to garner support for a tool that meets my hopes though;):D
i am sharing part of your passion towards perfecting my tools ...my remarks were more general ...i am subscribed to this thread for a long time now and each time new post appears it's the same old crap. Will it be this or maybe that ...it was even interesting in the beginning but we are doing circles here people ...canon people sure read this and they must laught their a$$es off. All i wanted to say. Just chill and wait till january. Just a little update too. My new 5D has been delivered today and i am planning to get another one as soon as i get rid off MARK III. 5D is the best camera for the money right now and i don't care what they introduce next year. i am planning to run on 2x 5Ds for the whole next season. I fill in no way limited by this camera. I enjoy FF a lot and i don't see how i could give this single feature up. One of the reasons mark III has to go. Only 1.3 but still a crop. i hate my 24-70 on mark III, it has lost it's ...."charm" :) ok i talk weird now ...got to go outside and shoot:)

[BestVisuals]

108MP, you're correct. My scientific calculator mislead me.

Even if you have a 22MP camera, compared to my 8MP camera, and make a 30x40 enlargement, your 22MP camera provides only 20% of the data required to make a 300dpi print. While my 8MP camera provides 7% of the data, I attest that 1/5 the data (4/5 interpolated or guessed) provided by a 22MP camera isn't much better. Clearly the overwhelming majority of data required to print almost any enlargement is generated by the printer's driver, not our cameras.

I wholeheartedly agree - forget pixels, get good glass, shoot!

you got to double check your calculations, especially the GIGA part, also i agree that pixels sell cameras but more pixels at reasonalble photodiode size DO make better prints. Maybe You have to compare your 8 megapixel print to heavier caliber like medium format maybe or 1ds mark II ...if You still can't see the difference i guess our standards are very different
And guys i am participating in this discussion too but it gets more and more pathetic . 12, 15, 18 ... Stop whining about those pixels already and go out and shoot ...geeezzzz !!!:)

[SunTsu]

i am sharing part of your passion towards perfecting my tools ...my remarks were more general ...i am subscribed to this thread for a long time now and each time new post appears it's the same old crap. Will it be this or maybe that ...it was even interesting in the beginning but we are doing circles here people ...canon people sure read this and they must laught their a$$es off. All i wanted to say. Just chill and wait till january. Just a little update too. My new 5D has been delivered today and i am planning to get another one as soon as i get rid off MARK III. 5D is the best camera for the money right now and i don't care what they introduce next year. i am planning to run on 2x 5Ds for the whole next season. I fill in no way limited by this camera. I enjoy FF a lot and i don't see how i could give this single feature up. One of the reasons mark III has to go. Only 1.3 but still a crop. i hate my 24-70 on mark III, it has lost it's ...."charm" :) ok i talk weird now ...got to go outside and shoot:)

Hey Drogos, I was thinking of getting a Mark III as a back-up body, but with the AF issues, I was considering the 40D until I picked one up and was not impressed. So...I'd just like to know if we could dig into your head a bit more as to why you are getting rid of the Mark III? I'm also a huge fan of FF and don't know how much the 1.3 would "bother" me.

[drogos]

I love everything about Mark III except 1.3 crop. Functionality, customization options, build quality. AF works very good, although mark AF paranoia did made me doubt for a while. One of the reasons is i want to have 2 bodies with same crop factor so i don't have to run back and forth with which lens should i put on which body. I can't afford 2 mark III and i rather have FF so 2x 5D is an easy pick. The fact that my old 5D was stolen and i am short on cash right now only helps with that decision.

[wernersl]

you're right of course but I was saying that just i case canon was listening and thinking to themsleves.. "blimey this I_Simonius bloke is harsd to please we;d better give him 18MP if we want him to upgrade";):D
oh...my bad. i think i hear them talking about it now. they are pretty concerned and are doing what they can to please you!:lol:

[wernersl]

I appreciated the mature way that you handled yourself with those posts:) I made a conscious choice not to learn the depths of photoshop unless its for cursory changes to the image appearance. I appreciate the great things image manipulation does, but for my collection i have chosen to not follow this path for a couple of reasons. I have a lucrative day job that is not related to photography so photoshop is not a requirement for me, nor do i want it to be, as i enjoy shooting much more than sitting behind a PC.

And your right, rez does matter (although not the only factor of course and definitely not by itself) Your reason for not wanting it is to deal with higher rez is the file size. The larger file size does suck up hard drives which is less of an issue to me than the processing power needed in camera to deal with them.

If Canon sits on the same sensor Nikon will surely wiz by...

how i 'handle' myself (maturely) is my business. :o ok really...the ps comment, merely a suggestion. as far as rez...i dont care much about the storage space...its the processing power needed to edit 16bit tiff images in ps. bad enough as it is with the 5d! oh well...sionara.

[I Simonius]

oh...my bad. i think i hear them talking about it now. they are pretty concerned and are doing what they can to please you!:lol:

always love it when folks are doing their best to please me.. yeah baby yeah!;):D

s far as rez...i dont care much about the storage space...its the processing power needed to edit 16bit tiff images in ps. bad enough as it is with the 5d! oh well...sionara.

That's why I got mysef a computer upgrade first ;):D Gotta get photoshop whizzing along with lots of memory too!

[AdamJL]

Gotta get photoshop whizzing along with lots of memory too!

How much? And what's your OS?

[VTSHEP1]

I love everything about Mark III except 1.3 crop. Functionality, customization options, build quality. AF works very good, although mark AF paranoia did made me doubt for a while. One of the reasons is i want to have 2 bodies with same crop factor so i don't have to run back and forth with which lens should i put on which body. I can't afford 2 mark III and i rather have FF so 2x 5D is an easy pick. The fact that my old 5D was stolen and i am short on cash right now only helps with that decision.

Sorry to hear about your 5D getting stolen, that sucks, you may want to consider a personal articles insurance policy. I have a freind who got rolled in Queens and lost all his gear, he had it all replaced ASAP b/c of insurance. I sometimes walk around neighborhoods like the South Bronx, Bed Stuy Bklyn, or Newark, NJ with all my gear...without the insurance i probably wouldnt do it. I think i pay around $65 per year for about $6000 worth of equipment.

[wernersl]

I sometimes walk around neighborhoods like the South Bronx, Bed Stuy Bklyn, or Newark, NJ with all my gear...
do you have a license to carry? i would have a hard enough time walking through those areas...much less with all my gear. forget the gear...(unless it can stop bullets) and bring the body armour

[VTSHEP1]

how i 'handle' myself (maturely) is my business. :o ok really...the ps comment, merely a suggestion. as far as rez...i dont care much about the storage space...its the processing power needed to edit 16bit tiff images in ps. bad enough as it is with the 5d! oh well...sionara.

It sure is your own business, and i dont want any part of it, you dragged me into it when you called me someone's little bi**** etc, etc. We are all here for photography, not BS like this, so Fuhgeddaboutit.

Yes, my computer chokes on CS III right now with RAW images from a 20D, but dont have a duo core or anything. Graphics editing is a very resource intensive task.

[VTSHEP1]

do you have a license to carry? i would have a hard enough time walking through those areas...much less with all my gear. forget the gear...(unless it can stop bullets) and bring the body armour

A little bit of street smarts and a mean look go a long way. At least so far they have:confused:

[wernersl]

It sure is your own business, and i dont want any part of it, you dragged me into it when you called me someone's little bi**** etc, etc. We are all here for photography, not BS like this, so Fuhgeddaboutit.

Yes, my computer chokes on CS III right now with RAW images from a 20D, but dont have a duo core or anything. Graphics editing is a very resource intensive task.
sure is

[wernersl]

A little bit of street smarts and a mean look go a long way. At least so far they have:confused:
lets see a shot of your mean look (LEMME HEAR YOUR WAR CRY!!!!!!!)

[gpx4]

Rumors can turn into Rumbles

[wernersl]

Rumors can turn into Rumbles
ding ding

[I Simonius]

How much? And what's your OS?

Me OS? Mac 10.4.10 Dual G5 2.3 PPC 6GB RAM and a partidge in a pear tree

[I Simonius]

Rumors can turn into Rumbles

:cool: lets geta 5D Rumble going then!:lol:

[datadump]

Simonius, i dunno about u but i have a STRANGE feeling about next week

[VTSHEP1]

lets see a shot of your mean look (LEMME HEAR YOUR WAR CRY!!!!!!!)

http://brettduncan.files.wordpress.com/2007/05/geek.jpg

[I Simonius]

Simonius, i dunno about u but i have a STRANGE feeling about next week

what happened to your link it dissappeared;)?

[datadump]

what happened to your link it dissappeared;)?


GRIN

[I Simonius]

GRIN

:confused:

[lostdoggy]

do you have a license to carry? i would have a hard enough time walking through those areas...much less with all my gear. forget the gear...(unless it can stop bullets) and bring the body armour

I'm sorry but whatever you're licensed to carry won't do you much good in those neighborhood. You'll be out man and out equipted. It is easier to just give it to them then to risk being statistic. Oh, I grew up in one of those neighborhood.

[I Simonius]

Perhaps what we need is 16 bit processing more than anything else?

I was just thinking again about the whole DR thing and whilst 14bit is great I wonder whether the 5D might be the first to get 16?

In fact I wonder whther the 5D will (ever) be the first to have anything?

Mindyou a 14bit 5D even as it is now would be pretty cool

So actually , thinkig about it whatever the MP of the new 5D , it will be pretty tempting with:
partial W...
14 bit...
not sure about the benefits of dust removal...

- but I might be temtped even if not if there is any indication that we might get a wider auto bracket?
(but I still want 18MP ,)

;)

[jdizzle]

I wouldn't mind 14-bit processing on a 5D. =) Makes me wonder... =)

[wernersl]

all hail 16bit

[wernersl]

http://brettduncan.files.wordpress.com/2007/05/geek.jpg
i see now why noone screws with you!

[I Simonius]

just been loking at the new casio that shoots ata ridiculouys rate - I hope they don't try to incorparate ultra high fps i the next 5D, there are much better aspects to spend the development money on , and hopefully IQ will remain at the very top of the 5D2 agenda:cool:

[buddy6713]

My wish list is only for one thing: more auto focus points. Why can't it be at least like the old Canon 1Ds, with 45 points?

The constant half squeeze/reframing is quite difficult, especially under the demands of a tight framing with copy blocks etc.

[I Simonius]

My wish list is only for one thing: more auto focus points. Why can't it be at least like the old Canon 1Ds, with 45 points?

The constant half squeeze/reframing is quite difficult, especially under the demands of a tight framing with copy blocks etc.

I'm with you on that one, especially for portraits;)

[Rumjungle]

Better AF is my main wish and less noise at high ISO is my 2nd. Using AF Servo on a moving subject with anything other than the center point leaves much to be desired.

[Meaty0]

My main wish for the 5D MkII is that it exists, now, ....and I could buy one...tomorrow! That and a built in whisky dispenser for those tense wedding shoots.

[Rumjungle]

My main wish for the 5D MkII is that it exists....and I could buy one...tomorrow! That and a built in whisky dispenser for those tense wedding shoots.
Paul, shhhh, you better patent that idea before someone else steals it! BTW, put me down for one of those, will ya? :)

[drogos]

5d was already going for 2,100 at adorama and it's back at 2,195 again..same bhphoto. I don't know why they have re-adjusted prices, either curency exchange factor or maybe canon gave them a hint to chill for a while with liquidating old 5D stock.

[jj_photography]

I think this would be a good while waiting.

[I Simonius]

if it doesn't come out in FGeb im getting a 1Dsmk3- well eventually

and a golf caddie to carry it:lol:

[wernersl]

all that whining about weight! now this. man oh man :p

[I Simonius]

all that whining about weight! now this. man oh man :p

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

[wernersl]

me thinks you have the mind of a fickle woman!

[I Simonius]

Much speculation about the meaning of this (http://www.phaseone.com/feedback/customerfeedback2.asp?Product=Capture%20One&Platform=PC&Version=4.0.12289.12266b&ComputerModel=Intel) elsewhere, but fairly obviously_ I would have thought- it's just sensibel future proofing of a script so the guy doesn't have to rewrite it - nothing to do with inside knowledge - just good ol sensible foresight

[I Simonius]

me thinks you have the mind of a fickle woman!

in a jar mate!:lol::lol::lol:

- on the top shelf - out of harm's way:-))

[I Simonius]

Due to popular demand (in another thread) I hereby declare that the new 5D will:

- Not be released until next August/Sept:cry::evil:
- have 18MP
- have all the usual bells and whistles of the 40D over 30D upgrade (dust-wiggle/weather-vaguely-resistant, highlight priority Av, bigger/better LCD, Digic 3 etc)
- have a wider range of shooting modes i.e. more Custom settings, but no return of A-dep
- A wider range of AEB (up to 7 stops) but it still won't have the ability to do it all with one press of the shutter + mirror locked up
- still not have a mirror lock up button
- it will have some adjustment to the AF but won't be the 45 point ( obviously as that's still 1D territory)
- it won't have a lock on the on/off switch ( which is essential)
- it won'\t have a lock on the eyepiece diopter adjustment ( which is essential)
-it won't have an eyepiece shutter (which isn't essential but would be nice)
- the fps will increase only slightly

What would be really nice but I doubt will make this edition , would be an even better VF I would hppily accept a higher VF dome if they could give me a better VF experience

Anyway - that's the main thing - nothing til Aug/sept:(

[SilverOnemi]

errr how much does teh noink d3 get on full frame ? i think we need a b00st on fps.

[I Simonius]

errr how much does teh noink d3 get on full frame ? i think we need a b00st on fps.

no we don't I hate fast fps!:evil::p:p:p

[hitmanh]

errr how much does teh noink d3 get on full frame ? i think we need a b00st on fps.

11fps in DX mode
9fps in FX mode at 12bit
Less than 9fps in FX mode at 14bit

Personally, I'd rather they spent all the upgrade cash on IQ rather than fps... thats what the 1d mkIII and the 40d do well at.

[I Simonius]

Personally, I'd rather they spent all the upgrade cash on IQ rather than fps... thats what the 1d mkIII and the 40d do well at.

My presentiments cisely!;):D
:p

[lowcrust]

Yep, in full agreement! A must have upgrade for me is a better LCD. Minimum 3" VGA!

[VTSHEP1]

errr how much does teh noink d3 get on full frame ? i think we need a b00st on fps.

IQ is also the most important for me, but i wouldn’t want all the $$ to go there, fps is also important, but not 9fps, more like 5-6.

The more I read about the D3 in the magazines the more i think about switching systems :oops: which is an expensive proposition.

[lowcrust]

What about a 24-105 4 IS II?

[I Simonius]

What about a 24-105 4 IS II?

what indeed???:confused:

[Punisher77]

What about a 24-105 4 IS II?

That's why we have a lens rumour forum.

http://photography-on-the.net/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=84

[lowcrust]

what indeed???:confused:

You think it will be released together with the 5D mkII?

[I Simonius]

You think it will be released together with the 5D mkII?

nope:lol:

(seriously that is a lens rumour and in the wrong forum;-))

I think they need to have had positive sales of the 1Dsmk3 for at least 6 months before they announce the 5D2 because they don't want it ito affect the 1Dsmk2 sales, which it would if it has 18MP;-), sothat would mean May earliest but as nothing ever gets announced in May it means we'll hear nothing until Aug/Sept for Nov rel;ease

[Meaty0]

nope:lol:

(seriously that is a lens rumour and in the wrong forum;-))

I think they need to have had positive sales of the 1Dsmk3 for at least 6 months before they announce the 5D2 because they don't want it ito affect the 1Dsmk2 sales, which it would if it has 18MP;-), sothat would mean May earliest but as nothing ever gets announced in May it means we'll hear nothing until Aug/Sept for Nov rel;ease

So what will Canon's "Big Release" be for PMA?

[I Simonius]

So what will Canon's "Big Release" be for PMA?

some P&S novelty I expect, face recognition they've done, so probably leg or breast recognition:lol:

[gpx4]

By that time many will have shifted to the dark side.
White lenses may no longer dominate the 2008 Olympics with the D300/D3 and new telephoto lenses.

nope:lol:

(seriously that is a lens rumour and in the wrong forum;-))

I think they need to have had positive sales of the 1Dsmk3 for at least 6 months before they announce the 5D2 because they don't want it ito affect the 1Dsmk2 sales, which it would if it has 18MP;-), sothat would mean May earliest but as nothing ever gets announced in May it means we'll hear nothing until Aug/Sept for Nov rel;ease

[VTSHEP1]

So what will Canon's "Big Release" be for PMA?

The 450D or XTiiiii? is due, its currently on a 1.5 year release schedule. I agree with gpx4, if they wait they are placing themselves in a bad place. One of my pro friends had both Nikon and Canon gear, he just recently completely sold off all his Canon gear.

The breast and leg recognition was a good one

[Radtech1]

probably leg or breast recognition

Hell, I'VE got that. And it get me in trouble all the time - even when I am out with my wife, it is always in "Auto On"

:eek:

[I Simonius]

Hell, I'VE got that. And it get me in trouble all the time - even when I am out with my wife, it is always in "Auto On"

:eek:

maybe that's what Canon mean by 'eye recognition' eh eh?:lol:

Now that would be something - to have a setting on the camera for different AF modes for the sexes, i.e. a 'Male' (M) and 'Female' (F) AF setting:lol::lol::cool:

[I Simonius]

I sincerely hpe the next 5D has a 'Program' [P] mode which includes the ISO isn its parameters instead of limiting to what is set (e.g. ISO 100) as it does now

It would be great for thoise time when there is a shot happening and you know its different to what you were shooting earlier and you just want to stick it in P to get the shot with high enough shutter speed and wide aperture that would need a higher iso but thats a couple of seconds adjustmentss, flip, into P and snap!

Put 'P' at the end of the turn so you can twist to the end and know its there!

and getrid of the green rectangle - I never use it , ever. They got rid of the other \all auto' modes, why keep this one?

Give us more 'C' custom settings instead!:D

[Punisher77]

and getrid of the green rectangle - I never use it , ever. They got rid of the other \all auto' modes, why keep this one?

I find this handy when I'm lending the camera to someone (usually to take pics of myself) since they don't know what they're doing.

[Steve Beck]

Typcial cycle shoes new releases are done for the year. It will be March PMA or whatever for next announcements. I think anyway. Canon has there hands full right now with the 1dsmkiii, 40d, 1d mkiii and all the new accessories and lens's announced. I think a rebel and 5d replacement will be announced in feb/march then the typical may or june release....

[VTSHEP1]

Typcial cycle shoes new releases are done for the year. It will be March PMA or whatever for next announcements. I think anyway. Canon has there hands full right now with the 1dsmkiii, 40d, 1d mkiii and all the new accessories and lens's announced. I think a rebel and 5d replacement will be announced in feb/march then the typical may or june release....

Yes, i might be wrong but i think every DSLR product announcement since the D30 in 2000 has been either Jan-Feb or Aug-Sept at the shows.

[drogos]

Do You people realize that You've been repeating this same things over and over again for last 20 months. I can't wait for canon to anounce something but geezzzz, stop with that already, let's just wait and see what comes.

[lowcrust]

Why? Are you suggesting we are wasting our time?

[Steve Beck]

Do You people realize that You've been repeating this same things over and over again for last 20 months. I can't wait for canon to anounce something but geezzzz, stop with that already, let's just wait and see what comes.


Are you new to forums? This is typical convesation and history repeats itself indefinatly on forums. It is the biggest topic of convesation, look at past posting on dpreview for the last 7 years....

This is the rumor, specualtion, wish thread of POTN...

[Steve Beck]

Yes, i might be wrong but i think every DSLR product announcement since the D30 in 2000 has been either Jan-Feb or Aug-Sept at the shows.


Yepper, thats right. I think the same, we will see two new bodies announced in FEB/March and see them hit the streets in may or june...

[I Simonius]

I find this handy when I'm lending the camera to someone (usually to take pics of myself) since they don't know what they're doing.

you lend your 5D?:eek:

Do You people realize that You've been repeating this same things over and over again for last 20 months. I can't wait for canon to anounce something but geezzzz, stop with that already, let's just wait and see what comes.

no. lets speculate until the cows come home , it's much more fun!;):p

Are you new to forums? This is typical convesation and history repeats itself indefinatly on forums. It is the biggest topic of convesation, look at past posting on dpreview for the last 7 years....

This is the rumor, specualtion, wish thread of POTN...

exaccerly!:rolleyes:;)

[Punisher77]

you lend your 5D?:eek:

I have a 350D right now but maybe when I get the 5dmk2 I won't want to lend it to anyone... ;)

[col4bin]

Do You people realize that You've been repeating this same things over and over again for last 20 months. I can't wait for canon to anounce something but geezzzz, stop with that already, let's just wait and see what comes.

What's the harm? That is why this forum was created. Let people have fun talking about it without raining on their parade.

[drogos]

there is no harm and not much sense either

[Meaty0]

there is no harm and not much sense either

Well why do you keep looking in here, let alone posting in here?

[lowcrust]

there is no harm and not much sense either

That's the funny thing about telling people there's no sense in discussing something on the internet. You waste as much time telling me that as I waste bull****ting about future products. Now how spends his time more wisely?

[mantra]

but is there a channel that canon uses to know what want the clients?

in short , does canon use some system to know the customers wishes ?

[I Simonius]

there is no harm and not much sense either

no sense you say... yet still you, and we, post;)


:p


Ain't we odd creatures?:D:lol:

[I Simonius]

but is there a channel that canon uses to know what want the clients?

in short , does canon use some system to know the customers wishes ?

only retrospectively i.e. they can tell by how many get bought;)


unless... [queue twilight zone music]....doo dee doo dee doo dee doo dee:lol:[/twilight zone music]

[davidwegs]

Well, if you think so.

I would speculate that Canon and its development strategy include in a large way, the chatter on these and other forums.

Its one place they can go to be sure they are addressing the desire of their buyer.

there is no harm and not much sense either


Keep the rumors coming and include what you would like to see done. You are having an impact as part of a collective.


Beyond that, its just fun to speculate.

[Meaty0]

Well, if you think so.

I would speculate that Canon and its development strategy include in a large way, the chatter on these and other forums.


Okay then. CANON...if you're reading this...I want the 5D mkII SOON! And by that, I mean by Feb at the latest.

If you don't have it by then...I'm going to cross over to the dark side...and if your English isn't that good....I mean N-I-K-O-N. There! I said it.

[I Simonius]

..I'm going to cross over to the dark side...and if your English isn't that good....I mean N-I-K-O-N. There! I said it.

it's definitely twilight zone time now!
:eek:
:lol:

So just in case Chuck Westfall reads these posts (fatchance!:lol:)

the features that really matter:
1- a new camera (obvious but yes that's a long enough wait now)
2- 18MP (why? Simple, because I need more detail in my landscapes from a light camera)
3- 14 bit (a given - but great!)

features that would be good:
1- diopter adjustment lock
2- on/off switch lock or some protection to stop it changing all the time while walkin
3- Mirror lock up with AEB from one shutter press

Not a lot to ask;):D

[mantra]

it's definitely twilight zone time now!
:eek:
:lol:

So just in case Chuck Westfall reads these posts (fatchance!:lol:)

the features that really matter:
1- a new camera (obvious but yes that's a long enough wait now)
2- 18MP (why? Simple, because I need more detail in my landscapes from a light camera)
3- 14 bit (a given - but great!)

features that would be good:
1- diopter adjustment lock
2- on/off switch lock or some protection to stop it changing all the time while walkin
3- Mirror lock up with AEB from one shutter press

Not a lot to ask;):D

what i did not understand
there are 2 camera that are going out
the 7d and the 5d?

[I Simonius]

what i did not understand
there are 2 camera that are going out
the 7d and the 5d?

not as far as I know - just the one camera;)

[EOS mE]

Anyone know if they will be announcing the new 5D during PMA? In fact, anyone going to PMA show next year?

[Chandler.]

I've been thinking, with all the new Noink releases, many consumers seem to think that Canon is "behind" in the battle. In reality, that's not true, but the two companies probably are slowly moving closer to the other's numbers.

So, my question is this: will Canon release a camera with the normal incremental upgrade (14 MP, Digic III, More FPS, better ISO performance)?

Or, are they spending extra time redesigning the camera from the ground up and are preparing to release the Nikon Killer that will beat the D300 and even possibly compete with the D3 on some levels? If so, what features could be so great that they could accomplish this, and which of these would the Nikon killer have?

[ChrisSearle]

If Canon really are monitoring this thread, in addition to all the pixelly stuff, can we have:

1.A range of coloured bodies please, shocking pink, emerald green, bright red, camo etc.
2. A much larger dedicated print button.
3. Face detection.
4. Movie mode.
5. MP3 player.
6. Be able to use MP3s as custom function sounds - better than that boring beep-beep.
7. Licence the microsoft paperclip help - think how great it would look on that 3 inch screen!

Go on Canon, that'd really make the Noink boys and girls sit up and take notice.

[Chandler.]

If Canon really are monitoring this thread, in addition to all the pixelly stuff, can we have:

1.A range of coloured bodies please, shocking pink, emerald green, bright red, camo etc. I'll take one in digital forest camo and one with tiger stripes please.
2. A much larger dedicated print button. >:rolleyes:
3. Face detection.
4. Movie mode. This would actually be appreciated if it wrote to a different card.
5. MP3 player. I'd use it.
6. Be able to use MP3s as custom function sounds - better than that boring beep-beep. This one could get you into trouble at those weddings.
7. Licence the microsoft paperclip help - think how great it would look on that 3 inch screen! I can see it now. "Welcome to the 5D Mark II. Where shall we start? Do you want me to lower your ISO? Raise your Aperture? Hit the MLU button to hide me."


:D:D:D

[I Simonius]

Or, are they spending extra time redesigning the camera from the ground up and are preparing to release the Nikon Killer that will beat the D300 and even possibly compete with the D3 on some levels? If so, what features could be so great that they could accomplish this, and which of these would the Nikon killer have?

hope so;):D

If Canon really are monitoring this thread, in addition to all the pixelly stuff, can we have:

1.A range of coloured bodies please, shocking pink, emerald green, bright red, camo etc.


yeah baby yeah!

[I Simonius]

If Canon really are monitoring this thread, in addition to all the pixelly stuff, can we have:

1.A range of coloured bodies please, shocking pink, emerald green, bright red, camo etc.Transparent for me! WOW
2. A much larger dedicated print button. definitely!At least as big as the LCD!
3. Face detection.and as I said before breast and Bum detetction, but also DUCK detection yay!


Go on Canon, that'd really make the Noink boys and girls sit up and take notice.

my additions in color:D

[VTSHEP1]

I always thought adding location information to the EXIF via an internal GPS would be a welcome addition (probably not for studio photogs tho). The components dont look too exspensive: http://www.amazon.com/Sony-GPSCS1KA-Digital-Still-Cameras/dp/B000ME1GUW

[Chandler.]

as I said before breast and Bum detetction, but also DUCK detection yay!

Oh yeah, how could we forget?

[ben_r_]

Okay then. CANON...if you're reading this...I want the 5D mkII SOON! And by that, I mean by Feb at the latest.

If you don't have it by then...I'm going to cross over to the dark side...and if your English isn't that good....I mean N-I-K-O-N. There! I said it.

Man... I really want the dang 5D Mark II too, but not THAT bad! I really dont think there is anything nikon could come up with (short of a free camera) that would make me switch.

[lowcrust]

This thread is out of control! ;-D

If Canon doesn't release a 1000 dollar 5D MKII with a Automated Duck Preset on the top dial by February I'm switching to a Pentax point-n-shoot!

[I Simonius]

This thread is out of control! ;-D

If Canon doesn't release a 1000 dollar 5D MKII with a Automated Duck Preset on the top dial by February I'm switching to a Pentax point-n-shoot!

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

[Meaty0]

This thread is out of control! ;-D

If Canon doesn't release a 1000 dollar 5D MKII with a Automated Duck Preset on the top dial by February I'm switching to a Pentax point-n-shoot!


Hahahahahhahaaaaaaahahahahahahaheeheehehehehehe! I can just see the markings on the Mode Dial...a picture of a litte duck, right next to the picture of a little set of boobs (for the glamour and nude preset):D

[EOS mE]

Hahahahahhahaaaaaaahahahahahahaheeheehehehehehe! I can just see the markings on the Mode Dial...a picture of a litte duck, right next to the picture of a little set of boobs (for the glamour and nude preset):D

lol..... :lol:

[lowcrust]

Wow, sign me up for the boob preset as well! They could skip the lame landscape mode, bah!

[Meaty0]

Yeah....and if you get the edition with the Glamour and Nude Preset button...I want free models provided for a year or more:D

[I Simonius]

Yeah....and if you get the edition with the Glamour and Nude Preset button...I want free models provided for a year or more:D

NOW we're talking!:D

[SilverOnemi]

whoa ...this 5DmkII is lookin tempting.... any1 looking for a brand new 40D :D :D:D

[I Simonius]

If Canon really are monitoring this thread, in addition to all the pixelly stuff, can we

2. A much larger dedicated print button.


on this topic I have just heard
A new larger Print button (same size as the shutter button) This button must be used every 2000 actuations to reactivate the camera, otherwise all auto modes are locked out until the print button is used [Hopefully someone will develop a hack for this before it is released!) The camera becomes unlocked afte 5000 actuataions of the print button. As yet we don't know whether it ha s to be connected to a printer to work.

[Cathpah]

If Canon really are monitoring this thread, in addition to all the pixelly stuff, can we have:

1.A range of coloured bodies please, shocking pink, emerald green, bright red, camo etc. I want mine in tie-dye polka dot!
2. A much larger dedicated print button. May god forgive your soul for recommending that.
3. Face detection. because it's so darn cool on compacts! ha!
4. Movie mode. who really wants to shoot with a camera, when you can stay inside and watch a movie on it? or better yet, try and make an 18mp camera fill up a memory card in under 10 seconds in movie mode
5. MP3 player. the iCanon...great.
6. Be able to use MP3s as custom function sounds - better than that boring beep-beep. Other photographer's will just love "baby got back" coming on everytime you achieve focus
7. Licence the microsoft paperclip help - think how great it would look on that 3 inch screen! Don't forget about that annoying freaking cat too!

Go on Canon, that'd really make the Noink boys and girls sit up and take notice. and point and laugh forever

RED!

[I Simonius]

http://www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/d3.htm

has some interesting comments re comparisons to the 5D

e.g
http://www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/d3/vs-5d-180mm.htm

http://www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/d3/sharpness-1.htm
I see the 5D as the clear winner. It's easily the sharpest, at least shooting JPGs as I do


http://www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/d3/iso-1.htm
The 5D, reigning champ, is trashed by the D3. It is as sharp as the Nikon D3, but noisier. Sayonara, 5D. The D3 is as sharp, but far cleaner.


Will the 5D Mk2 trounce this upstart?

[Sprout Crumble]

I doubt it. Canons sensor will be an evolution of the 1D sensors and likely a match but they're all so good now we'd be splitting hairs.

Hard to know where Canon will place the 5D really. It should be close to the D300 but they've been very greedy lately pricing wise. Hopefully the recent humbling brought on by the D3/D300 and the 1D3 issue might open their eyes to market realities but I fear corporate arrogance will get the better of them again.

[radiohead]

If (or when) Nikon stick that D3 sensor in a D300FX it'll be some camera. All they then need to do is sort out a fast AF-S prime at 24, 35, 50, 85 and 135mm and they're sorted. Canon must be aware of this.

[Meaty0]

Bad or perhaps "Good" news is..I had a chance to use the Olympus E3 10 Megapixel camera on the week-end. I've just seen the images this thing produces. They are stunning. This camera has image stabilisation built in to the camera body...so it doesn't matter which lens you use. And speaking of lenses, Olympus doesn't seem to have the hit-or-miss quality issues that Canon does.

I was most impressed and given it's price, it's cheaper than the 5DmkII will be, by a country mile.

It looks like Canon has yet another competitor to worry about.

[I Simonius]

Bad or perhaps "Good" news is..I had a chance to use the Olympus E3 10 Megapixel camera on the week-end. I've just seen the images this thing produces. They are stunning. This camera has image stabilisation built in to the camera body...so it doesn't matter which lens you use. And speaking of lenses, Olympus doesn't seem to have the hit-or-miss quality issues that Canon does.

I was most impressed and given it's price, it's cheaper than the 5DmkII will be, by a country mile.

It looks like Canon has yet another competitor to worry about.

The more competition the better IMO!:D

[Meaty0]

The more competition the better IMO!:D

Yeah! Are you reading this Canon? Earth to Canon...come in Canon!

[BrantG]

Is it here yet?

[JohnnyG]

Bad or perhaps "Good" news is..I had a chance to use the Olympus E3 10 Megapixel camera on the week-end. I've just seen the images this thing produces. They are stunning. This camera has image stabilisation built in to the camera body...so it doesn't matter which lens you use. And speaking of lenses, Olympus doesn't seem to have the hit-or-miss quality issues that Canon does.

I was most impressed and given it's price, it's cheaper than the 5DmkII will be, by a country mile.

It looks like Canon has yet another competitor to worry about.
So when are you ordering your "OLY"???

I have an Olympus C5060 and it's a great Point and Shoot but my 40D is my real baby! It's awesome for sure!

[northernlight]

the more i have to wait for the damn thing the more annoyed i get... give me an freakin 5d mk2 so that i can leave fovcrop for good.

[The_Caper]

Is Canon going to call it the 5D Mk II or possibly the 7D or mabey even the 3D. What ever they call it, I would like to see it soon as well since the 5D has been out for such a long time/

[rang]

Yeah....and if you get the edition with the Glamour and Nude Preset button...I want free models provided for a year or more:D

You won't need the "free models for a year". The boobs button will make any model look really good...a feature step up from just plain old face recognition.

:lol:

[Meaty0]

You won't need the "free models for a year". The boobs button will make any model look really good...a feature step up from just plain old face recognition.

:lol:

Hmmm....we might need a "breast recognition" function in case you have the camera in "glamour and nude" mode and accidentally point it at a guy:D

[I Simonius]

Hmmm....we might need a "breast recognition" function in case you have the camera in "glamour and nude" mode and accidentally point it at a guy:D

it cold always have a 'pink' mode - now that would be radical!

[I Simonius]

Is Canon going to call it the 5D Mk II or possibly the 7D or mabey even the 3D. What ever they call it, I would like to see it soon as well since the 5D has been out for such a long time/

getting back OT..............;)


We're confident it will be the 5Dmk2 as most 7D or 3D rumours have been squashed:)

[Meaty0]

What about 6D? Or 5.5D?

[gasrocks]

I like 5.0.1D

[shutterfiend]

Bad or perhaps "Good" news is..I had a chance to use the Olympus E3 10 Megapixel camera on the week-end. I've just seen the images this thing produces. They are stunning. This camera has image stabilisation built in to the camera body...so it doesn't matter which lens you use. And speaking of lenses, Olympus doesn't seem to have the hit-or-miss quality issues that Canon does.

I was most impressed and given it's price, it's cheaper than the 5DmkII will be, by a country mile.

It looks like Canon has yet another competitor to worry about.

That's a 4/3 format. The sensor is smaller than that of 40D. That's not a competition. There isn't any IMO. That is the reason why Canon's lollygagging on this one. The only one's Nikon D3 and that's $5K.

[I Simonius]

What about 6D? Or 5.5D?

unless they change the format they're unlikely to change the 5D designation IMO

2D or 3D or 4D or 6D or 7D or 8D or 9.D... nah:p

I like 5.0.1D

programmer huh?;)

[I Simonius]

The only one's Nikon D3 and that's $5K.

so come on Noink - drop your prices - we want a new 5D!;)

[Meaty0]

That's a 4/3 format. The sensor is smaller than that of 40D. That's not a competition. There isn't any IMO. That is the reason why Canon's lollygagging on this one. The only one's Nikon D3 and that's $5K.

Well I Knoooooooow that! I was just so impressed by the images that I meant Olympus is finally worthy competition for Canon overall. Give them time; they'll come up with a full frame sensor; I'm sure!

[Chandler.]

Well I Knoooooooow that! I was just so impressed by the images that I meant Olympus is finally worthy competition for Canon overall. Give them time; they'll come up with a full frame sensor; I'm sure!

Their f/2 zoom and (effective) 300mm f/2 are very attractive lenses, as well as many others of theirs.

[Meaty0]

Their f/2 zoom and (effective) 300mm f/2 are very attractive lenses, as well as many others of theirs.

They know how to make good lenses from their "OM" series cameras. They've been slow in adapting electronics to the lenses however. I think once they get the electronics side of things sorted, they'll give us a bit more competition. A shame Pentax aren't doing more.

[I Simonius]

They know how to make good lenses from their "OM" series cameras. They've been slow in adapting electronics to the lenses however. I think once they get the electronics side of things sorted, they'll give us a bit more competition. A shame Pentax aren't doing more.

as muchy as I like OLYM PUSS I can't see them applying any pressure in the FF marketplace... do you guys think otherwise?

[yonni]

Well fellas, can you say 7D!!! Found this at dpreview: http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1032&thread=25971499

and here is the Chinese link: http://www.cpanet.cn/gcms/end.php?news_id=10908

1. 12 million full frame CMOS

2. 5 fps, max. 21 continuous shooting of raw images

3. automatic dust reduction

4. 35 area subarea light metering system; central point metering available for the 3.5% central area

5. 15 point high accuracy cross focusng AF system. f2.8 high accuracy focusing available at the central focusing point

6. viewfinder: 96% vision field, 0.71x

7. 3.0 inch, 0.92 million pixel LCD (640*480 VGA)

8. ISO 50-3200, can be extended to 6400 or 12800

9. Mg-Al alloy body, dust proof, water proof

10. 14-bits DIGIC III processor

11. HDMI connector

12. 16:9 shooting available at 8 million pixels

13. EF-S lens not supported

14. LCD liveview

15. 5D grip and battery compatible

[cyber_m0nkey]

Interesting, but from the text and the specs (if it is true), I'm guessing this is a half step measure to bounce back against Nikon. A fully fledged 5D replacement I would think is still in the works and would have even better specs, might even come in with a 3D badge.

[Chandler.]

might even come in with a 3D badge.

I don't think so, because the D3/3D mixup would get people confused. As for the rumor, I think there will be more MP.

[Crashoran]

Less resolution that the original 5D? I don't think so.

[I Simonius]

Well fellas, can you say 7D!!! Found this at dpreview: http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1032&thread=25971499


interesting find...

this is the clearest indication yet that Canon might split the FF line to a 7D and a 3D , but I doubt it

I think it is an even better indication that (although they may intorduce the 7D) the new 5D will still be a 5D but mk2 and that it will have even better specs

I cat see anyvirtue in dropping the 5D nomenclature as it is a well recognised marque and holds a much anticipated update

I think adding a 3D would confuse the market

[bigsue19]

...interesting...

looks like I'm gonna need to step it up and upskill quickly!! I told myself I'd upgrade to the "new 5D" when it comes out, as long as I've improved my photography.

Pressure, pressure...

[lowcrust]

...interesting...

looks like I'm gonna need to step it up and upskill quickly!! I told myself I'd upgrade to the "new 5D" when it comes out, as long as I've improved my photography.

Pressure, pressure...

Hahaha, that's my exact reasoning as well!

[VTSHEP1]

This is nice, but i would hope Canon would leapfrog Nikon and not just play catch-up. That being said i would probably purchase this camera, but would rather spend more on a 3D or 5DmkII with greater specs.

[Pinto]

I would guess by now everyone has seen this:
Did anyone try to look that barcode up? I did it's the Bayonet Ring Kit for the Powershot G9.

http://www.upcdatabase.com/item.asp?upc=013803086706

[I Simonius]

figures:rolleyes:

Now it's time that the REAL rumours started flying..as it's not long to PMA , feb etc... we should be getting some real info real soon;)

[sm1rf]

good response to another spoof! Or maybe this is a spoof response to a genuine leak?

I would guess by now everyone has seen this:
Quote:
Originally Posted by fitztml View Post
Did anyone try to look that barcode up? I did it's the Bayonet Ring Kit for the Powershot G9.

http://www.upcdatabase.com/item.asp?upc=013803086706

[fuego]

Well fellas, can you say 7D!!! Found this at dpreview: http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1032&thread=25971499

and here is the Chinese link: http://www.cpanet.cn/gcms/end.php?news_id=10908

1. 12 million full frame CMOS

2. 5 fps, max. 21 continuous shooting of raw images

3. automatic dust reduction

4. 35 area subarea light metering system; central point metering available for the 3.5% central area

5. 15 point high accuracy cross focusng AF system. f2.8 high accuracy focusing available at the central focusing point

6. viewfinder: 96% vision field, 0.71x

7. 3.0 inch, 0.92 million pixel LCD (640*480 VGA)

8. ISO 50-3200, can be extended to 6400 or 12800

9. Mg-Al alloy body, dust proof, water proof

10. 14-bits DIGIC III processor

11. HDMI connector

12. 16:9 shooting available at 8 million pixels

13. EF-S lens not supported

14. LCD liveview

15. 5D grip and battery compatible

1. Any reason why not going for bigger, let say 16 or 18MP?

9. Waterproof? is that even possible? Water-resist perhaps?

14. Liveview? eeeuuuww... I hate that! The most single reason of power wasting! Must have disable option, or else... ;)

[basic-j]

where on earth did the rumour that it would come in lime green, shocking pink and transparent ever come from!?!?

or am i missing the joke :D !

[Chandler.]

where on earth did the rumour that it would come in lime green, shocking pink and transparent ever come from!?!?

or am i missing the joke :D !

It was in a press release by Canon last June, if I recall correctly. I'm not sure about shocking pink, but Red, White, Black, Grey and Transparent will be available. I'm going for the transparent model.

[lowcrust]

Actually i think it was closer to end of March, early April if I recall correctly. =)

[Chandler.]

Actually i think it was closer to end of March, early April if I recall correctly.

Yeah, I think you are right. I can't find the link to it though. :confused:

[I Simonius]

It was in a press release by Canon last June, if I recall correctly. I'm not sure about shocking pink, but Red, White, Black, Grey and Transparent will be available. I'm going for the transparent model.

I bagged the first Transparent one already!:D

Actually i think it was closer to end of March, early April if I recall correctly. =)

Yes early April I thought it was;)

[lowcrust]

Yeah I really wonder why there havn't been a fully transparent camera case yet. SUCH a good idea! =)

[Chandler.]

Yeah I really wonder why there havn't been a fully transparent camera case yet. SUCH a good idea! =)

Guaranteed it would sell. The tricky part is light-proofing a transparent box. ;)

Maybe they could still show all the parts, but have a black box around the sensor and mirror.

[I Simonius]

Guaranteed it would sell. The tricky part is light-proofing a transparent box. ;)


Not a problem if they use the recently touted 'dark' pixel technology

:twisted:

[I Simonius]

No one gets it right?:rolleyes::lol:

Anyway, and seriously, it has to be the 18MP now , just lok where the competition will be this time next year if not - ahead of canon! :eek:

[AdamJL]

If it's based off the 1D III, it'll be 16mp.

[I Simonius]

If it's based off the 1D III, it'll be 16mp.

which is why I hope it'll be based on the 1DsII

Actually I don't: - I hope it's not based on either
what I hope is that they use the new pixel technology, not the old, for the new 5D

i.e. less space between the lenses/pixels , whatever it's called

The forte of the 5D has always been exceptional IQ, (as opposed to high MP for the sake of it) - and I do hope they maintain that over and above the IQ of the 1DsII, not that there;s anything wrong with the 1DsII, but technology has moved on and if they(Canon) want to stay ahead of the game , especially considering some reviews regarding the noise levels of the Canon v the Noink's bext then they will push the boat out