NEW 5D RUMOUR !!

[AdamJL]

which is why I hope it'll be based on the 1DsII

Actually I don't: - I hope it's not based on either
what I hope is that they use the new pixel technology, not the old, for the new 5D

i.e. less space between the lenses/pixels , whatever it's called

The forte of the 5D has always been exceptional IQ, (as opposed to high MP for the sake of it) - and I do hope they maintain that over and above the IQ of the 1DsII, not that there;s anything wrong with the 1DsII, but technology has moved on and if they(Canon) want to stay ahead of the game , especially considering some reviews regarding the noise levels of the Canon v the Noink's bext then they will push the boat out

So you want the 1Ds II sensor? That's only marginally better than the 5D at the moment. I hope they stay with the 1D III and simply cut the die a bit bigger like they did originally.
But in a perfect world, I agree, they should make entirely new tech for the 5D. Let me shoot up to ISO 6400.
Oh, and I'm never gonna shut up about this, but give us decent weather sealing as well!
And a MLU button!
And get rid of Direct-Print.
And 4 or 5 fps!
And 5 shot exposure bracketing
Oh I could go on, as I usually do :D

[I Simonius]

So you want the 1Ds II sensor? That's only marginally better than the 5D at the moment.
nope - I said I didn't:p

I hope they stay with the 1D III and simply cut the die a bit bigger like they did originally.
is it that much better than the 1DsII?
But in a perfect world, I agree, they should make entirely new tech for the 5D. Let me shoot up to ISO 6400.
yup
Oh, and I'm never gonna shut up about this, but give us decent weather sealing as well!
yup
And a MLU button!
yup
And get rid of Direct-Print.
yup
And 4 or 5 fps!
naah
And 5 shot exposure bracketing
yup
Oh I could go on, as I usually do :D

please do;):D

[BestVisuals]

And most importantly, I want the new 5D Mark II priced the same or CHEAPER than the current one...

[I Simonius]

And most importantly, I want the new 5D Mark II priced the same or CHEAPER than the current one...

cheaper than the current one was when it came out or than it is now|?

[Tapeman]

Canon will release new cameras on January 24th 2008, before PMA in Vegas.

Posted today on Photography Blog quotes from Canon - Sweeden. 5D replacement?

[Yohan Pamudji]

So you want the 1Ds II sensor? That's only marginally better than the 5D at the moment. I hope they stay with the 1D III and simply cut the die a bit bigger like they did originally.
But in a perfect world, I agree, they should make entirely new tech for the 5D. Let me shoot up to ISO 6400.
Oh, and I'm never gonna shut up about this, but give us decent weather sealing as well!
And a MLU button!
And get rid of Direct-Print.
And 4 or 5 fps!
And 5 shot exposure bracketing
Oh I could go on, as I usually do :D

I think the safe money is still on the 5D replacement's sensor being a bigger version of the 1DIII's, just like the 5D's is a bigger version of the 1DII's. And if that happens you'll get ISO 6400. Would it be wishful thinking to hope that they've tweaked the sensor and/or processing tech enough to allow ISO 12800? Probably, eh?


And since I haven't posted in this thread for a while, I think it's time for me to repeat my tried-and-true broken-record wishlist:
- cleaner high ISO to enable 6400 and above
- better AF point layout (cover more of the viewfinder, hit the rule-of-thirds points)
- more crosstype AF points
- 100% viewfinder
- weather sealing
- 5 fps
- under $3k

Those are my core wishes--ones that would make it almost impossible for me not to buy the camera if it had all of them. There are other niggling little wishes I have, but they're much lower in importance.

[I Simonius]

Canon will release new cameras on January 24th 2008, before PMA in Vegas.

Posted today on Photography Blog quotes from Canon - Sweeden. 5D replacement?

how's about a linky poos?:p;)

[I Simonius]

- cleaner high ISO to enable 6400 and above
- better AF point layout (cover more of the viewfinder, hit the rule-of-thirds points)
- more crosstype AF points
- 100% viewfinder
- weather sealing


now if we got that I'd be happy;-)

Forget the faster fps, it means bigger battery on a FF sensor

[Tapeman]

photographyblog.com

[MichaelAlan_Photo]

photographyblog.com

http://www.photographyblog.com/index.php/weblog/comments/new_canon_cameras_on_24th_january_2008/

to be exact

[I Simonius]

http://www.photographyblog.com/index.php/weblog/comments/new_canon_cameras_on_24th_january_2008/

to be exact

Canon will announce new imaging products on January 24th 2008, a week before the PMA trade show starts in Las Vegas, USA. An interview with Robert Westin of Canon Sweden on the Swedish website Kamerabild.se reveals that 2008 is set to be an even bigger year for Canon than 2007, with more products being released. Westin doesn’t give any details away about what exactly will be released - recent internet rumours have suggested replacements for the Digital Rebel XTi / EOS 400D and the EOS 5D (pictured) DSLR cameras.

well goodie that 2008 will be a bigger year but... it's an 'official' rumour that there are rumours about the 5D replacement on the internet...???

Hey that's us!

[SunTsu]

I wonder if there is a chance that they release a bunch of point and shoots, but not really any SLRs? I really wanted to get a second body which was going to be a Mark III, but it just seems too risky with the autofocus issues. I really hope a 5D replacement comes out soon.

[lowcrust]

Oh how our lives used to suck before we all plugged our computers together!

[JohnnyG]

Oh how our lives used to suck before we all plugged our computers together!
ain't it the truth!!!

[I Simonius]

. I really hope a 5D replacement comes out soon.

me too!

Oh how our lives used to suck before we all plugged our computers together!

verily!;)

[EOS mE]

I wonder if there is a chance that they release a bunch of point and shoots, but not really any SLRs? I really wanted to get a second body which was going to be a Mark III, but it just seems too risky with the autofocus issues. I really hope a 5D replacement comes out soon.

I too had originally wanted the Mark III as an addition to my 30D, but then the autofocus issue made me want to rethink it over again. Even if they got the fix now, I'm still weary of that issue. How could canon overlook this detail? So, now my new target is on a new 5D replacement.. when will it come out? I've been wanting to see what it looks like!

Maybe during the CES show they will have it there??? or at least have more info about it?? I'm definitely going to swing by their booth to find out.

[SilverOnemi]

it won't ... 1ds MK III don't seem to have it.

[lowcrust]

Even if they got the fix now, I'm still weary of that issue. How could canon overlook this detail?

I'm as disappointed as the next guy but really, but to say they overlooked is a little bit mispointing in my book. The MkIII is an amazing piece of engineering and all bleeding edge equipment is prone to error.

As it then turned out, the AF system was not working up to expectations. Not all cameras had the problem and a lot of people who had a faulty didn't even notice it. It's not like the camera turned out to be a piece of brick or anything. Canon then started working hard to find and amend the problem, they just kept their mouths shut while doing it. I think that makes perfect sense from a short term business point of view but from a customer and a long term business point of view it makes little sense and not to mention is very very arrogant. Any way you look at it though, you can't say they overlooked the AF issue.

[EOS mE]

I'm as disappointed as the next guy but really, but to say they overlooked is a little bit mispointing in my book. The MkIII is an amazing piece of engineering and all bleeding edge equipment is prone to error.

As it then turned out, the AF system was not working up to expectations. Not all cameras had the problem and a lot of people who had a faulty didn't even notice it. It's not like the camera turned out to be a piece of brick or anything. Canon then started working hard to find and amend the problem, they just kept their mouths shut while doing it. I think that makes perfect sense from a short term business point of view but from a customer and a long term business point of view it makes little sense and not to mention is very very arrogant. Any way you look at it though, you can't say they overlooked the AF issue.

by all means, i know thing like this will happen, but just never expected it to happen to a 3K plus camera. things like this won't turn me away from canon, because i love using canon cameras. i was just surprise they overlook this detail because i'd think their Q&A would be that much tighter on cameras of this caliber. But then again.. we're consumers.. we complain too much. Heck.. i work for in the Flash industry and i hear people complaining about flash cards that only $10. :lol:

i knew they will come out with a fix.. and like most asian company.. they always keep it a hush hush while fixing the problem without running the risk of every having to release a recall.

[sm1rf]

Thought i would add my own to the mix of wishes, would love the new 5D to be able to auto crop like the D3 when using crop lenses, this would be very usefull for the likes of myself wanting full frame but loving crop lenses such as the 17-55 IS. Can't see that being such a big drama and I'm sure it would be usefull for more than just me. Others who want to go full frame but have already invested in EF-S would be able to make the switch sooner.
Just my two penneth!!

[Chandler.]

Thought i would add my own to the mix of wishes, would love the new 5D to be able to auto crop like the D3 when using crop lenses, this would be very usefull for the likes of myself wanting full frame but loving crop lenses such as the 17-55 IS. Can't see that being such a big drama and I'm sure it would be usefull for more than just me. Others who want to go full frame but have already invested in EF-S would be able to make the switch sooner.
Just my two penneth!!

That would be cool, but I don't know how the mirror won't slap into the rear element of EF-S lenses.

[John_TX]

That would be cool, but I don't know how the mirror won't slap into the rear element of EF-S lenses.

Maybe they could design an adapter ring of some sort, which would go between the body & lens, thus moving the EF-S lenses out a bit.

[I Simonius]

That would be cool, but I don't know how the mirror won't slap into the rear element of EF-S lenses.

:lol:that sounds roode:lol:
;)
:p:p

[I Simonius]

Maybe they could design an adapter ring of some sort, which would go between the body & lens, thus moving the EF-S lenses out a bit.

what, like the old tamron 'adaptall'? - can't see that happening

[I Simonius]

found that link (http://luminous-landscape.com/essays/comparison.shtml)

This is the reason why the Mk2 might get delayed , i.e. if they decide to raise the bar to oust the existing & forthcoming Noinks on noise;)

[SilverOnemi]

l Simonius btw i know this ain't the right thread but can we expect new L zooms for less than 1000 € comin up too ?

cuz i have 1055 € to spend and i don't think the 24 105 is good to me since it's f4 ... need a 2.8 and i seeing 140 € cashback on 24 70 ( althought it's 1250 i think ) leaves me a " this product is ognna be updated soon " warning on my head.

[boxy]

If Canon was to split the 5D I'd love to see the current sensor in the 40D case using bp511A's and the new accessories for the 40D, that would be a winner!

[I Simonius]

l Simonius btw i know this ain't the right thread but can we expect new L zooms for less than 1000 € comin up too ?

cuz i have 1055 € to spend and i don't think the 24 105 is good to me since it's f4 ... need a 2.8 and i seeing 140 € cashback on 24 70 ( althought it's 1250 i think ) leaves me a " this product is ognna be updated soon " warning on my head.

in other words you want an f2.8 L zoom for under €1000?

Well we know there's two lenses in the offing but no zooms (yet). I think the 24-70 is probably losing volume and they just want to bump it. Dunno though.. OK anymore about lenses needs to be in the Lnses rumours thread' ;)

(post a link to your new thread though if you like)

If Canon was to split the 5D I'd love to see the current sensor in the 40D case using bp511A's and the new accessories for the 40D, that would be a winner!

the reason the 5D is bigger than the 40 is due to the FF sensor .. so that won't ever be happning..sorry;)

[syl]

Hmmm. I would hope for:

battery grip with optional wireless built in
battery grip with optional GPS built in
ultrasonic dust removal on sensor
better weather sealing
time-lapse built in, with auto-sleep between shots.
Yeap! I like it.

And a coffee maker?

[I Simonius]

The one thing I have decided I need more than anything else ( apart from more MPs) is a 100%VF!

This single thing would do more to improve my photography than anything else!

[gpx4]

And a fine tune lens calibration memory for 8 lenses

[I Simonius]

And a fine tune lens calibration memory for 8 lenses

nah.. that's 1D terrtory;)

[gpx4]

And D300 territory too.:):):)

nah.. that's 1D terrtory;)

[I Simonius]

what;s this (http://www.usa.canon.com/consumer/controller?act=ModelInfoAct&fcategoryid=139&modelid=11933#SNAModelSuppliesAct) then? NEW??? (it says)

So if that's a new set up then presumably they gotta clear inventory - ( inc €200 cashback) which means - not long to wait now...;):D

[xiskool]

what;s this (http://www.usa.canon.com/consumer/controller?act=ModelInfoAct&fcategoryid=139&modelid=11933#SNAModelSuppliesAct) then? NEW??? (it says)

So if that's a new set up then presumably they gotta clear inventory - ( inc €200 cashback) which means - not long to wait now...;):D

That (http://www.usa.canon.com/consumer/controller?act=ModelInfoAct&fcategoryid=139&modelid=11933#SNAModelSuppliesAct) page has had "new" on it for months - at least since July.. Nice try though..

[I Simonius]

That (http://www.usa.canon.com/consumer/controller?act=ModelInfoAct&fcategoryid=139&modelid=11933#SNAModelSuppliesAct) page has had "new" on it for months - at least since July.. Nice try though..


Tarnation! why is 'new' still up then? Crafty lot Canon;)

[jiggling_john]

Fuel to the fire, I'm sure you've all noticed that the dslr page on canons website has been offline for at least a week now. Something is definitely in the pipeline...

[I Simonius]

Fuel to the fire, I'm sure you've all noticed that the dslr page on canons website has been offline for at least a week now. Something is definitely in the pipeline...

Oh yeah so it is!:eek:;):D

[Meaty0]

Fuel to the fire, I'm sure you've all noticed that the dslr page on canons website has been offline for at least a week now. Something is definitely in the pipeline...

Unfortunately, it's still ONLINE in every other country's website (including Japan) and theirs still includes the 5D:evil:

[jiggling_john]

yeah i did notice that slight flaw to the conspiracy theory :-p

However, you've got to wonder what's taking them so long...

and also, maybe the other countries just have less lazy web admins :-p

Ah it's all good banter

[jiggling_john]

ah bugger, it's back online...

with no changes?!

You've got to wonder what the hell they were doing with the site, the 350 and 30d is still on there, which i thought at least the 350 would've gone by now...

Oh well...

[lowcrust]

No need to check the Canon site for any secret updates, they've officially said there will be an announcement January 24th.

[I Simonius]

No need to check the Canon site for any secret updates, they've officially said there will be an announcement January 24th.

Excellent - where did they oficially say that btw?

thanks

[lowcrust]

It was the Swedish CEO of Canon. I know it was reposted on one of the major english-language photosites, but I forgot which one. Here's the direct link to the Swedish site though (you can clearly see the date in one of the paragraphs); http://www.kamerabild.se/ArticlePages/200712/14/20071214132922_ADF586/20071214132922_ADF586.dbp.asp

It doesn't specifically mention 5D MKII but in another interview (around the time of the 40D launch) he was asked about the 5D getting a little long in the tooth and he clearly hinted it was due for an upgrade at the next major update (and in the above link he used those exact words). The above article have him saying 2007 had few upgrades and that 2008 will see a lot more of them. It also have him on record stating 2007 was a mediocre year for Canon, mostly because of new business plan where all dealers in Europe have to sell the cameras at the same price point. This will make it easier to ship cameras to wherever the need is bigger. This wasn't very well received with the sellers but he states all camera manufacturers will introduce a similar system in the future and that Canon (and it's retailers) now have a head start in this development.

I assume this is the reason all major electronic chains in (at least) Scandinavia didn't promote Canon DSLR's this Christmas. It was Nikon, Nikon, then the odd Sony or Pentax camera and then some more Nikons.... Especially the D40 was offered at an "unbeatable" offer to the average Joe looking to give his family "a real camera". But obviously the D300 was also pushed hard.

[I Simonius]

Thanks - good insight;)

[jiggling_john]

Ace, Jan 24th it is then... that's the end of this thread!

[I Simonius]

Ace, Jan 24th it is then... that's the end of this thread!

Not til then it's not!:lol:

[EOS mE]

Not til then it's not!:lol:

or till Canon officially post it up on their site with the specs! hehe ;)

[I Simonius]

So.. 3 weeks to go eh?

What's the betting?

the givens:

Digic 3
14bit (=wider DR)
Shake 'n Vac (Dust removal)
Highlight tone priority
Slight weather resistance

The likely:

16MP
More Custom modes

The vaguely possible:

18MP
Wider auto bracketing
Improved AF points (i.e. cross type at portrait eye level)
Weather sealing
100%VF

The impossible:

Mirror lock up button

The wistful wishlist:

Water proofing
ON/OFF button protection (so it doesn't reset itself)
Eyepiece dioptre adjustment protection (so it doesn't reset itself)
G&N Mode ( Boobs and legs recognition)

fps?... Don't care in the slightest

[bigsue19]

ooohhh...this is getting really interesting! :D

fps?... Don't care in the slightest

fast fps would be nice, though...

[Punisher77]

What's the betting?


Don't forget Live View.

I would love to see AF micro tweaking as well.

[gpx4]

The likely:

45 AF point
AF micro adjustment

or Nikon wins!

[SuzyView]

I will not upgrade if Canon doesn't do:

45 - at least - AF points
16 MP
8 fps
Dust Removal
3 inch LCD
weatherseal
1 year supply of Diet Coke. :)

Thought I'd throw that in.

[sm1rf]

I will not upgrade if Canon doesn't do:

45 - at least - AF points
16 MP
8 fps
Dust Removal
3 inch LCD
weatherseal
1 year supply of Diet Coke. :)

Thought I'd throw that in.

I bet you don't upgrade then and it wont be the Diet Coke that loses the sale!;)

[Meaty0]

Ace, Jan 24th it is then... that's the end of this thread!

Yeah, but there's still a lot of folks who are "sure" "5D The Sequel" won't be released until the end of 2008.

So....Who is betting on a Jan/Feb release? And who is betting on a Oct/Nov realease? And who thinks it's going to be somewhere inbetween?


My vote goes to Oct/Nov:cry:

And if so, what do you think they'll announce in Jan/Feb? My guess is some lame-arse upgrade to the Rebel XTi/400D.

[gpx4]

Oh thats lame indeed.
2008 Summer Olympics will be black lens dominated by then.

[lowcrust]

The Olympics won't have any 5D's regardless of if they release a new version or not. It stands between 1D and D3.

[FlyingPhotog]

The Olympics won't have any 5D's regardless of if they release a new version or not. It stands between 1D and D3.

Oh I don't know. There are 1001 images you could shoot at an Olympics that don't require 10fps.

At 12Mp and very good to great IQ at higher ISOs, the 5D would be a very useful camera.

[JohnnyG]

and it better have a built in flash!:lol::lol::lol:

[gpx4]

I hope it's not the D300 and D3. (Both being high fps and AF capable).

The Olympics won't have any 5D's regardless of if they release a new version or not. It stands between 1D and D3.

[SuzyView]

Funny, that built in flash. I think it's good not to have it on the 5D because the external flash is much more secure, IMO. Maybe it's just me.

[I Simonius]

Funny, that built in flash. I think it's good not to have it on the 5D because the external flash is much more secure, IMO. Maybe it's just me.

You couldn't have integral flash on the 5D because the FF rquires a bigger VF and the flash would detract from the VF space needed for a FF camera

[SuzyView]

That makes sense.

Canon is putting priority for Live View, so expect that.

[NickSimcheck]

I don't really use Liveview that much...

Honiestly if they said Liveview or 100% viewfinder I think I'd choose the latter. I mean it's nice, and it has it uses - but it's not a must have.

[I Simonius]

I don't really use Liveview that much...

Honiestly if they said Liveview or 100% viewfinder I think I'd choose the latter. I mean it's nice, and it has it uses - but it's not a must have.

Definitely! - Live view just reminds me of P+S - only 100%VF would help improve my shooting, not LV

[jsimon724]

"You couldn't have integral flash on the 5D because the FF requires a bigger VF and the flash would detract from the VF space needed for a FF camera"

Canon made lots of film cameras with pop-up flashes - they are all "full-frame" cameras, of course:lol:

Jim

[SunTsu]

and it better have a built in flash!:lol::lol::lol:

That's one feature I hope they don't have. Just one more thing to go wrong and it's something I wouldn't use. IMO, pop-up flashes are so P&S.

I will not upgrade if Canon doesn't do:

45 - at least - AF points
16 MP
8 fps
Dust Removal
3 inch LCD
weatherseal
1 year supply of Diet Coke. :)

Thought I'd throw that in.
I'd love higher fps, but I can't see them making it faster than the 1Ds which I believe is only 5 fps.

Definitely! - Live view just reminds me of P+S - only 100%VF would help improve my shooting, not LV
Does anyone know why the current 5D doesn't have 100% VF? Is it a marketing issue or a design limitation?

[I Simonius]

Canon made lots of film cameras with pop-up flashes - they are all "full-frame" cameras, of course:lol:

Jim

but the FF didn't require that HUGE sensor! (just a hole for the film)



Does anyone know why the current 5D doesn't have 100% VF? Is it a marketing issue or a design limitation?

I think it was a design limitation - a concession I think to keeping the lines smooth - but Id ather have a huge VF dome and 100% than not

[Trout Bum]

" - but Id ather have a huge VF dome and 100% than not"


Absolutely. Let me see exactly what I'm shooting. :D

Don't suppose they might shave an ounce or two off the weight...

[jsimon724]

"but the FF didn't require that HUGE sensor! (just a hole for the film)"

Umm... a full-frame sensor is the same size as a 35mm film frame and resides in the same space (i.e., behind the shutter curtain). The VF will also be the same size and location whether film or full-frame digital.

But maybe you're just pulling my leg;)

Jim

[SuzyView]

Well, the new D3 is 8 fps, I think, maybe faster. You'd think Canon can figure that out now.

[northernlight]

Im 100% sure that the 5dmk2 wont see the light until sep08... They have virtually no competition in that area so why bother?

[I Simonius]

"but the FF didn't require that HUGE sensor! (just a hole for the film)"

Umm... a full-frame sensor is the same size as a 35mm film frame and resides in the same space (i.e., behind the shutter curtain). The VF will also be the same size and location whether film or full-frame digital.

But maybe you're just pulling my leg;)

Jim

Not joking.. [for a change]...as I understand it the FF sensor array is larger than the frame alone required for the film.

Im not sure why they didn't put a 100% VF in the first 5D, more expensive for some obscure reason, perhaps?

[I Simonius]

Im 100% sure that the 5dmk2 wont see the light until sep08... They have virtually no competition in that area so why bother?

sadly I agree - hope Im proved wrong...

[lowcrust]

Well I would hope Canon knows that you have to keep pushing forward if you wanna be the leading brand. The D3 and D300 proved that. I think it'll get updated in March (more so than the 450 actually).

[VTSHEP1]

I 100% disagree with the no competition statement. One could choose to buy a D300 and a super wide angle lens, or just get a D3, with the features these Nikons have….AF, FPS…etc in my opinion, they are a better deal than the 5D. Competition means that there are customers who would consider purchasing something else…and there are a lot of people thinking D3 and D300 right now. This is like saying the Ford F150 has no competition because no other pickup truck has identical features.

Waiting for competition to catch up is a reactive strategy not a proactive strategy. Reactive companies are not industry leaders, not leaders in innovation, and typically not successful unless they perfect copying innovation at a lesser cost. Canon historically has been an innovative company, lets hope it continues.

[VTSHEP1]

Its here already, go buy yours: http://www.bestpricecameras.com/prodetails.asp?prodid=1039367

Well not really, dont get your hopes up, this vendor is trash.

[Punisher77]

Its here already, go buy yours: http://www.bestpricecameras.com/prodetails.asp?prodid=1039367


Hahahah, great find! :)

[SunTsu]

Not joking.. [for a change]...as I understand it the FF sensor array is larger than the frame alone required for the film.

Im not sure why they didn't put a 100% VF in the first 5D, more expensive for some obscure reason, perhaps?
To be honest, I don't totally notice that I am missing part of the frame. From what I can see, the framed image in the VF is pretty much what is captured on the digital image. I don't mind too much if I get a little exta around the edges.

I 100% disagree with the no competition statement. One could choose to buy a D300 and a super wide angle lens, or just get a D3, with the features these Nikons have….AF, FPS…etc in my opinion, they are a better deal than the 5D. Competition means that there are customers who would consider purchasing something else…and there are a lot of people thinking D3 and D300 right now. This is like saying the Ford F150 has no competition because no other pickup truck has identical features.

Waiting for competition to catch up is a reactive strategy not a proactive strategy. Reactive companies are not industry leaders, not leaders in innovation, and typically not successful unless they perfect copying innovation at a lesser cost. Canon historically has been an innovative company, lets hope it continues.
Agreed. Something doesn't have to be exactly the same to be a competitor. Unless you're talking about commodity products like gas, electricity, etc, you're never going to have identical products, but that doesn't mean that competition doesn't exist. The question you have to ask yourself is this: "If someone is out to buy a brand new 5D, will they also consider the D300 or D3?" Without doing a focus group test, I have to think some people will - those that aren't so heavily invested in Canon glass, those that might not care about FF, etc.

[I Simonius]

To be honest, I don't totally notice that I am missing part of the frame. From what I can see, the framed image in the VF is pretty much what is captured on the digital image. I don't mind too much if I get a little exta around the edges.
.

Its not so much the fact taht its 100% but that the experience of looking through the VF is different

With the 1Ds etc you can look at the whole image in the VF without having to scan left or right to see the edges really clearly, i.e. you get the sensation that the image is that little bit further away

It makes framing a whole different ball game, much easier and user friendly. Such a tiny difference but whn you do look through a §00% VF like the 1Ds it's a different experience

So it's not the edges cropped that matters to me but the VF experience itself, rather than whether I see 100%, the fcat that only 100% VFs give that experience is why I ask for 100%VF in the 5D Mk2

[I Simonius]

Ooooh a new pic of the new 5D? (http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/unconfirmed/canon-eos-5d-mark-ii-gets-spotted-bigfoot-style-275882.php)

nah it's an oldy..

but wait what's this? (http://www.ioxenford.com/iOXENFORD/iOXENFORD/Entries/2007/10/12_Canon_5D_MkII_To_Be_16_Megapixel.html) - more spekkerlashun?


Soon my pretties , soon (http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/20/canons-5d-mark-ii-rumor-gets-another-jolt/)...

Nope..it;s still the 24th jan.. (http://www.photographybay.com/2007/12/16/canon-to-announce-next-dslr-on-january-24/)

[ben_r_]

Man I will be soooo disappointed if the new camera ends up being an Xti replacement! The Xti is already feature packed and does in NO way need an upgrade. My brother has one and I think for $500 bucks its incredible! They do not need to replace it already!

[narlus]

Man I will be soooo disappointed if the new camera ends up being an Xti replacement! The Xti is already feature packed and does in NO way need an upgrade. My brother has one and I think for $500 bucks its incredible! They do not need to replace it already!


100% agreement. if they don't announce the 5D's successor, i'll be really disappointed.

[I Simonius]

100% agreement. if they don't announce the 5D's successor, i'll be really disappointed.

Maybe they'll realise they've missed the boat for the 5Dmk2 and announce the 5DMk3 instead!:cool::lol:

Everyone is saying it'll be 16MP but I don't see that beating Noink ( and who knows who else might enter the fray) for the next 18months - 2 yrs

[SeattleSpeedster]

I'm at CES i should ask about it....i went over and checked out the new 1Ds MkIII

[I Simonius]

I'm at CES i should ask about it....i went over and checked out the new 1Ds MkIII

oh.. right..:rolleyes:
:lol:

[gpx4]

45 AF points
6.5 fps
Auto ISO
Native ISO 6400
crop mode with lower MP but faster fps

Must be revolutionary and above Nikon's offering.
So what if it hits 1D territory, it better catch up with D300/D3 territory.
Anything less will be a letdown, and may cause shifting dilemma to many.

[sm1rf]

45 AF points
6.5 fps
Auto ISO
Native ISO 6400
crop mode with lower MP but faster fps



Now that would put it as a viable opponent against the D3, especially if it would accept the EF-S lens line, that would be some competition. :D

[I Simonius]

45 AF points
6.5 fps
Auto ISO
Native ISO 6400
crop mode with lower MP but faster fps

Must be revolutionary and above Nikon's offering.
So what if it hits 1D territory, it better catch up with D300/D3 territory.
Anything less will be a letdown, and may cause shifting dilemma to many.

45 AF aint happening
faster fps isn't a priority for what is designed as a wedding/portrait/landscape camera
Auto ISO would be good
6400 woul be good but I dont think theyre there yet
crop mode???:rolleyes:get a 40D!:evil:

all they have to do to beat noink is keep the IQ really really high. that is always the final deciding factor

[sm1rf]

45 AF aint happening
faster fps isn't a priority for what is designed as a wedding/portrait/landscape camera
Auto ISO would be good
6400 woul be good but I dont think theyre there yet
crop mode???:rolleyes:get a 40D!:evil:

all they have to do to beat noink is keep the IQ really really high. that is always the final deciding factor

45 AF, I'll have that!
FPS increase, I know it's not a priority but to gain some speed gains an edge in any camera regardless of target audience, do you not think FPS makes a difference when chasing your kids with a camera or a bride chucking the Bouquet. So I think reasonable addition.
As for the crop mode, you look at how many wedding photog's have a 17-55 2.8 IS because there is no FF equivalent lens. If i ever go FF i will keep a crop body just for that lens, others are of the same opinion. Now a 5D could auto crop and use that lens I would switch to FF in a heartbeat!:evil: Back to you:D

[I Simonius]

45 AF, I'll have that!
FPS increase, I know it's not a priority but to gain some speed gains an edge in any camera regardless of target audience, do you not think FPS makes a difference when chasing your kids with a camera or a bride chucking the Bouquet. So I think reasonable addition.
As for the crop mode, you look at how many wedding photog's have a 17-55 2.8 IS because there is no FF equivalent lens. If i ever go FF i will keep a crop body just for that lens, others are of the same opinion. Now a 5D could auto crop and use that lens I would switch to FF in a heartbeat!:evil: Back to you:D

I am used from many years shooting without MD on Film cameras to time my shots rather than to rely on MDs, so to me it's irrelevant. I just never use MD. So I can't really comment except to say that for me it's a non issue;)

Crop mode? : again a non issue for me as I just wouldn't use it. as far as the 17-55 lens goes.. the solution to that is very easy: 24-105L - just look at how many wedding photogs have that lens;):p

[narlus]

but....i've already got a 17-55, and it's one stop faster. :)

[I Simonius]

but....i've already got a 17-55, and it's one stop faster. :)

but does it have IS? :p Hmm?:lol:

[John_TX]

The closest lens would be the 24-70L, but once again, no IS. The EF-S 17-55 IS seems to be a great all-purpose low-light wedding lens.

[pieq314]

but does it have IS? :p Hmm?:lol:

It does.

But 24-105mm f/4 IS on a full frame is not worse than 17-55mm f/2.8 IS on a crop camera: The full frame sensor has 2.56 (1.6^2) times as much area as a crop sensor, so that with a f/4 lens, it still collects 1.28 times (that is, 28% more) as much light at the same shutter speed. And more light translates to better noise (provided that sensor sensitivity per unit area is the same in both cases).

If light is an issue, 24-70mm f/2.8 on the full frame would provide better low light performance.

[narlus]

The full frame sensor has 2.56 (1.6^2) times as much area as a crop sensor, so that with a f/4 lens, it still collects 1.28 times (that is, 28% more) as much light at the same shutter speed.

total light, as measured by sensor surface area, sure...but that seems irrelevant to me...shouldn't it be something like photons/mm of sensor, for comparability's sake? and that's dictated by the aperture.

i can't see how a full-frame sensor @ f/4 is getting 28% more light than a 1.6crop @ f/2.8 and translating into some meaningful advantage.

if the conditions dictate that i need f/2.8 to get a shutter speed of 1/100 (to freeze action and still have good exposure), with ISO remaining constant, odds are in my favor that the f/4 1/50 full-frame image will be inferior.

[sm1rf]

It does.

But 24-105mm f/4 IS on a full frame is not worse than 17-55mm f/2.8 IS on a crop camera: The full frame sensor has 2.56 (1.6^2) times as much area as a crop sensor, so that with a f/4 lens, it still collects 1.28 times (that is, 28% more) as much light at the same shutter speed. And more light translates to better noise (provided that sensor sensitivity per unit area is the same in both cases).

If light is an issue, 24-70mm f/2.8 on the full frame would provide better low light performance.

total light, as measured by sensor surface area, sure...but that seems irrelevant to me...shouldn't it be something like photons/mm of sensor, for comparability's sake? and that's dictated by the aperture.

i can't see how a full-frame sensor @ f/4 is getting 28% more light than a 1.6crop @ f/2.8 and translating into some meaningful advantage.

if the conditions dictate that i need f/2.8 to get a shutter speed of 1/100 (to freeze action and still have good exposure), with ISO remaining constant, odds are in my favor that the f/4 1/50 full-frame image will be inferior.


Now that nhas just mashed my head, i'm glad i'm not drunk otherwise i would've thought i was on a different planet!:confused::D:confused:

[I Simonius]

The closest lens would be the 24-70L, but once again, no IS. The EF-S 17-55 IS seems to be a great all-purpose low-light wedding lens.

On a 1.6 crop camera;):p

[pieq314]

total light, as measured by sensor surface area, sure...but that seems irrelevant to me...shouldn't it be something like photons/mm of sensor, for comparability's sake? and that's dictated by the aperture.
The reason that total photon matters is: you print the photo on a paper. So if you have more photons on that 4x6 paper, the less noise that paper will have.


i can't see how a full-frame sensor @ f/4 is getting 28% more light than a 1.6crop @ f/2.8 and translating into some meaningful advantage.

Area: 2.56 times as large
Light intensity: 0.5 times as large
Total photons: 2.56*0.5=1.28 times as many as 1.6x crop sensor.

if the conditions dictate that i need f/2.8 to get a shutter speed of 1/100 (to freeze action and still have good exposure), with ISO remaining constant, odds are in my favor that the f/4 1/50 full-frame image will be inferior.

In this case, for the same print quality, you can set the full frame at 1/100 sec (same as the crop camera), and still collects 28% more photons to be printed onto that 4x6 (or whatever sizes you choose) paper.

[narlus]

is anyone else not following the above logic? i guess i should brush up on my physics, because i have no idea how the 'light intensity' is '0.5 as large', or even what that means?

[I Simonius]

is anyone else not following the above logic? i guess i should brush up on my physics, because i have no idea how the 'light intensity' is '0.5 as large', or even what that means?

it's logic?:rolleyes:

That would explain why I don't understand it:lol:
methinks someone windeth thee up;)

[pieq314]

is anyone else not following the above logic? i guess i should brush up on my physics, because i have no idea how the 'light intensity' is '0.5 as large', or even what that means?
Light intensity is brightness. If you use a f/2.8 lens to image an evenly-lit white wall, the brightness on the image sensor will be twice as bright as that with a f/4 lens. Or equivalently, the f/4 lens produces brightness on the sensor half (that is, 0.5) as much as that from a f/2.8 lens.

[I Simonius]

Light intensity is brightness. If you use a f/2.8 lens to image an evenly-lit white wall, the brightness on the image sensor will be twice as bright as that with a f/4 lens. Or equivalently, the f/4 lens produces brightness on the sensor half (that is, 0.5) as much as that from a f/2.8 lens.

assuming both lenses are shot wide open, that is;)

[JohnnyG]

"Tis math it be and therefore good and not necessarily understandable"!:rolleyes:

[I Simonius]

"Tis math it be and therefore good and not necessarily understandable"!:rolleyes:

maaybe it be math maybe it b'aint. Either way it's getting seriously OT so time to start a new thread methinks (for it);)

[Meaty0]

Light intensity is brightness. If you use a f/2.8 lens to image an evenly-lit white wall, the brightness on the image sensor will be twice as bright as that with a f/4 lens. Or equivalently, the f/4 lens produces brightness on the sensor half (that is, 0.5) as much as that from a f/2.8 lens.

I'm not sure I totally follow your argument but the size of the sensor is irrelevant. Exposure is determined by aperture of the lens and shutter speed of the camera(for a given ISO) . The crop of the sensor has nothing to do with it. An f/2.8 lens will always have one stop more exposure available than an f/4.0 lens no matter what crop factor body it's on. (Won't it???)

[AdamJL]

I'm not sure I totally follow your argument but the size of the sensor is irrelevant. Exposure is determined by aperture of the lens and shutter speed of the camera(for a given ISO) . The crop of the sensor has nothing to do with it. An f/2.8 lens will always have one stop more exposure available than an f/4.0 lens no matter what crop factor body it's on. (Won't it???)

Yeah you're right. Only DoF changes..

[Chandler.]

The argument is ridiculous IMO. Yes, there is more total light hitting the sensor, but that light is spread out over a bigger area than a APS-C sensor.

[Radtech1]

The argument is ridiculous IMO. Yes, there is more total light hitting the sensor, but that light is spread out over a bigger area than a APS-C sensor.


WTF?

The light isn't "spread out" over a larger sensor. It is that the smaller sensor disregards some of the light. That is why we have the "Crop Factor".

Think of it like this:

It is raining out, and the rate of 1 inch per hour.
I have two buckets, one 6 inches across, and the other 12 inches across.
Put them both outside for an hour.

TA-DA! They will BOTH have 1 inch of water! THE SAME AMOUNT!

[Radtech1]

Yeah you're right. Only DoF changes..


Ha ha ha! :lol:

[Meaty0]

Can we get back onto the subject of when the fk our 5D MkII replacement will come out now? Please?

[Chandler.]

WTF?

The light isn't "spread out" over a larger sensor. It is that the smaller sensor disregards some of the light. That is why we have the "Crop Factor".

Think of it like this:

It is raining out, and the rate of 1 inch per hour.
I have two buckets, one 6 inches across, and the other 12 inches across.
Put them both outside for an hour.

TA-DA! They will BOTH have 1 inch of water! THE SAME AMOUNT!

We don't disagree. I just suck at making a point effectively.

Using your example, lets say the "bucket" is 6"x6" and the other is 12"x12" and both are an inch deep. If it rains an inch, one will hold 144 cubic inches and the other will hold 36 cubic inches. The volume, or total light in this analogy, is bigger in one than the other, but with that 144" bucket, the volume is spread out (to use my own misleading description) over a bigger area (12x12) so that the effect is, most importantly, that the same depth--1"--of water is captured in each bucket (both exposures are the same).

[lowcrust]

...but that's irrelevant to this discussion, isn't it? How is that helping with shutter speeds and handholdnessability?

[Chandler.]

...but that's irrelevant to this discussion, isn't it?

Yep.

[I Simonius]

Can we get back onto the subject of when the fk our 5D MkII replacement will come out now? Please?

...but that's irrelevant to this discussion, isn't it? How is that helping with shutter speeds and handholdnessability?

Yep.

I already asked nicely once but OK my thread has been well and truly hijacked now:evil:

Please lets keep it to 5Dmk2 from here on OK folks?;)

[Meaty0]

Woot! 21 Days to go UNTIL (http://www.pmai.org/index.cfm/ci_id/33573.htm)

(some interesting blog in the PMA 08Blog link too)

[lowcrust]

That was what I was trying to do!


Oh, and; 5D MKII announced 24th, Released March 1st, Available early April.

[I Simonius]

Woot! 21 Days to go UNTIL (http://www.pmai.org/index.cfm/ci_id/33573.htm)

(some interesting blog in the PMA 08Blog link too)

whoop whoop countdown!

Actually Canon uasually declare their hand a few days before the official opening ( to beat the spies doing it for them I suspect;))

That was what I was trying to do!


Oh, and; 5D MKII announced 24th, Released March 1st, Available early April.

where where where?:D
whered'yer geddit eh eh?:D

[JohnnyG]

That was what I was trying to do!


Oh, and; 5D MKII announced 24th, Released March 1st, Available early April.
.......and the price for this beautiful piece of machinery will be?????

I was thinking of getting a used one until I realized that number one, the used prices will drop quite a bit on announcement and two, the new one may be affordable in the $2000.00 range I hope.

[pieq314]

WTF?

The light isn't "spread out" over a larger sensor. It is that the smaller sensor disregards some of the light. That is why we have the "Crop Factor".

Think of it like this:

It is raining out, and the rate of 1 inch per hour.
I have two buckets, one 6 inches across, and the other 12 inches across.
Put them both outside for an hour.

TA-DA! They will BOTH have 1 inch of water! THE SAME AMOUNT!

Good way to explain it.

Now you have the water (that is, the digital photo), and ready to to pour it into a 4x6 container (that is, print out 4x6 paper), the version from the bigger bucket will produce deeper water.

[I Simonius]

I already asked nicely once but OK my thread has been well and truly hijacked now:evil:

Please lets keep it to 5Dmk2 from here on OK folks?;)

this is the thrid time I have had to mention this:evil:

Good way to explain it.

Now you have the water (that is, the digital photo), and ready to to pour it into a 4x6 container (that is, print out 4x6 paper), the version from the bigger bucket will produce deeper water.

Please keep on topic. That topic is completely off topic so please start another thread if you want to discuss it further - thanks;)

[AdamJL]

I would've thought you'd want any publicity for your thread Simon ;)

[I Simonius]

I would've thought you'd want any publicity for your thread Simon ;)

'deed I do, 'deed I do, but... I am actually interested in keeping it to the 5D Mk2 , even if highly humerous, but if it strays that far OT then folks new to the thread won't contribute and now it's getting really near te time when people mught start to have good stuff to contribute.. so maybe it's jus baout me getting excited buty I just fell getting too OT is counterproductive, even if it does keep thethread gpoing.. rambling ,, who me? ;)

[Punisher77]

Since this is the oldest 5Dmk2 thread I'll post my 2 cents here.

If there is no 5D replacement announced on January 24th I'm going to buy a 5D and take advantage of the extended rebate program (until Jan 31st) in Canada.

[I Simonius]

Since this is the oldest 5Dmk2 thread I'll post my 2 cents here.

If there is no 5D replacement announced on January 24th I'm going to buy a 5D and take advantage of the extended rebate program (until Jan 31st) in Canada.

Thank you for those 2 cents , they have been added to the 5Dmk1 benevolent fund;):D

Your decision to go for the 5D if there is no announcement on Jan24 is wise indeed;):cool:

[bigsue19]

I don't know. A few of the bigger photography mags here are running a combined photo competition sponsored by Canon AU, and the major prize is a 5D+24-105. BUT, it runs 'til mid-2008...so if they're announcing 5DmkII soon, won't that just devalue the competition prize? This just makes me think that any announcement will be later in the year.

[shannyD]

does the competition prize have a value on it? if it doesnt.. then it does not devalue anything.

[I Simonius]

I don't know. A few of the bigger photography mags here are running a combined photo competition sponsored by Canon AU, and the major prize is a 5D+24-105. BUT, it runs 'til mid-2008...so if they're announcing 5DmkII soon, won't that just devalue the competition prize? This just makes me think that any announcement will be later in the year.

As I have said for some time too, I just don't think it will happen until all the old 1Ds mk2 are sold and the 1Ds mk3 sales have peaked

[Meaty0]

Thank you for those 2 cents , they have been added to the 5Dmk1 benevolent fund;):D

Your decision to go for the 5D if there is no announcement on Jan24 is wise indeed;):cool:


Hey if there is no 5D MkII announced on the 24th of Jan, can we go back to discussing aperture size and it's effect on sensor size?:D

[lowcrust]

whoop whoop countdown!

Actually Canon uasually declare their hand a few days before the official opening ( to beat the spies doing it for them I suspect;))



where where where?:D
whered'yer geddit eh eh?:D

KyodoNews interviewed a strategy manager at Canon called Hisashi Owada who confirmed a 5D MKII during 2008. The only details he talked about was "more robust, more pixels at same price". I guess that refers to the introduction price of the MKI? The above (more specific) dates was my own wishful thinking and not official. But considering they have an official announcement coming 24th and having now confirmed the MKII one could argue that all makes sense. Although LEST WE FORGET the usual Canon strategy at times like this is to talk about a completely different model just when they announce another one (like 40D when they released 1D MKIII). It's all up in the air with Canon. Something tells me they really ARE going to release the new 5D. And not to put my chin out too far but I'm rarely wrong... ;)

[I Simonius]

Hey if there is no 5D MkII announced on the 24th of Jan, can we go back to discussing aperture size and it's effect on sensor size?:D

:evil:
:lol:

[I Simonius]

KyodoNews interviewed a strategy manager at Canon called Hisashi Owada who confirmed a 5D MKII during 2008. The only details he talked about was "more robust, more pixels at same price". I guess that refers to the introduction price of the MKI? The above (more specific) dates was my own wishful thinking and not official. But considering they have an official announcement coming 24th and having now confirmed the MKII one could argue that all makes sense. Although LEST WE FORGET the usual Canon strategy at times like this is to talk about a completely different model just when they announce another one (like 40D when they released 1D MKIII). It's all up in the air with Canon. Something tells me they really ARE going to release the new 5D. And not to put my chin out too far but I'm rarely wrong... ;)

keep that chin out, and well see;):D

sad thing is that even if they announce 24 jan we won't gte them ( at full price ) untilMar/April and not at the sensible price that it usually drops to for another 6 months so we're going to have to wait until Oct anyway before actually having one...:cry::cry::cry:

[Robert16]

this is the thrid time I have had to mention this:evil:



Please keep on topic. That topic is completely off topic so please start another thread if you want to discuss it further - thanks;)
Hi! This looks like a good place to increase the old post count... so what you guys talking about then? :D

[I Simonius]

Hi! This looks like a good place to increase the old post count... so what you guys talking about then? :D

:lol::lol:

Tres droll::rolleyes::lol: ( a quick ceck of the first page of this thread could provide important clues;) )

Today we is mostly discussin the imminent birth of our new baby - the 5D mk2

What we expect it to wheigh, whether it'll be a boy or girl, hair colour, strength of grip, whether it'll look like Mum or Dad, ( and who dad might be;):p), but mostly we're placing bets on when it'll arrive

Place your bets now......

[Robert16]

LOL

[I Simonius]

LOL

Is that it? C'mon yow can do better than that;)

Features? ETA? (pant pant):p

[Meaty0]

Today we is mostly discussin the imminent birth of our new baby - the 5D mk2

What we expect it to wheigh, whether it'll be a boy or girl, hair colour, strength of grip, whether it'll look like Mum or Dad, ( and who dad might be;):p), but mostly we're placing bets on when it'll arrive

Place your bets now......

Yes...Mother is VERY pregnant...in fact...I think her water has broken (let's hope baby is weather sealed) and she is fully dilated (f/1.0):D

[Robert16]

Is that it? C'mon yow can do better than that;)

Features? ETA? (pant pant):p
I still think it'll be pink;)

http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=426995

[I Simonius]

I still think it'll be pink;)

http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=426995

now the indentation next to the screen for people with big noses sounds liek a winner to me! (my nose is so big at school they used to duck when I turned round):lol:

But transparent is the colour for me- deffo!

[Robert16]

(my nose is so big at school they used to duck when I turned round):lol:

!
I was so skinny I had to run around in the shower to get wet!:D

[I Simonius]

Live View
Dust Reduction Sensor
DIGIC III
3″ LCD (the 5D has a 2.5″ LCD)
- 14 bits dynamic range
- improved AF
16-18MP

????Weathersealing???

Ona 3 year cycle like the 1D series i.e. Septmeber release
But accordion to here (http://moozilla.co.uk/2007/06/15/eos-5d-out-of-stock-replacement-around-the-corner/) 5D mk1 has been discontinued which means mk2 release IS in fact imminent!

[John_TX]

But accordion to here (http://moozilla.co.uk/2007/06/15/eos-5d-out-of-stock-replacement-around-the-corner/) 5D mk1 has been discontinued which means mk2 release IS in fact imminent!

FYI the date of that post in the link is from June 2007. I wonder if that store ever got any more 5D's in between June and now?

[I Simonius]

But accordion to here (http://moozilla.co.uk/2007/06/15/eos-5d-out-of-stock-replacement-around-the-corner/) 5D mk1 has been discontinued which means mk2 release IS in fact imminent!

FYI the date of that post in the link is from June 2007. I wonder if that store ever got any more 5D's in between June and now?[/QUOTE]

Hmm tarnation.. not so excited now...:cry:

[John_TX]

Sorry to burst your bubble. The quote features must be acting up today! You have me quoted as saying what you said, hehe.

[I Simonius]

Sorry to burst your bubble. The quote features must be acting up today! You have me quoted as saying what you said, hehe.

how odd. no idea how that happened:confused:

OH please someone find a tiny weencie leak from canon... an obscure spanish site perhaps?;)

[Chandler.]

Yes...Mother is VERY pregnant...in fact...I think her water has broken (let's hope baby is weather sealed) and she is fully dilated (f/1.0):D

Mother Canon is about 10 months pregnant. We're all very ready for the baby.

[John_TX]

I'm thinking we might see another press release on Monday January 14th.

This week, obviously, was CES in Las Vegas, so Canon probably didn't want to rain too much on the other divisions by additional releases.

Also, the instant rebates expire Sunday January 13. The water is probably very close to breaking now. :lol:

[BugEyes]

Live View
Dust Reduction Sensor
DIGIC III
3″ LCD (the 5D has a 2.5″ LCD)
- 14 bits dynamic range
- improved AF
16-18MP

????Weathersealing???

Ona 3 year cycle like the 1D series i.e. Septmeber release
But accordion to here (http://moozilla.co.uk/2007/06/15/eos-5d-out-of-stock-replacement-around-the-corner/) 5D mk1 has been discontinued which means mk2 release IS in fact imminent!

- AF on button
- Button layout similar to 40D
- Highlight prio exposure mode
- In camera jpeg noise reduction

I'll bite as long as the AF system is as much of an improvement that it was from the 30D to 40D. This improvement is the least talked about but IMO the most important difference between the 30D and 40D cameras.

[Meaty0]

I'd like the 5D to have that "auto lens calibration" function that the 1D MkIII has got.

[John_TX]

I'd like the 5D to have that "auto lens calibration" function that the 1D MkIII has got.

How does this work? Does the camera automatically correct short or back focus problems, thus not requiring both be sent back for tuning at the factory??? If so, they should put this on ALL of the new cameras. Imagine how much that would save them in warranty work alone.