NEW 5D RUMOUR !!

[FlyingPhotog]

How does this work? Does the camera automatically correct short or back focus problems, thus not requiring both be sent back for tuning at the factory??? If so, they should put this on ALL of the new cameras. Imagine how much that would save them in warranty work alone.

IIRC, the MkIII has a "micro focus adjustment" that allows you to tweak the front/back focus (and I think) save settings for specific lenses.

Das Experten will be along momentarilly if this is incorrect... ;)

[John_TX]

That's a neat feature! I learn something new every day. Like I said above, you'd think Canon would want that feature on ALL of their camera's to reduce the amount of glass sent back for focus issues.

[Who?]

I'm hoping for a PMA announcement myself, but then again i guess we all are. Reading this thread however, it does seem more likely to be announced at Photokina unfortunately.

[gpx4]

This feature (micro adjustment) and 51 AF points are already available in a sub $2,000 Nikon D300. So it should be incorporated in new Canon DSLR's.

IIRC, the MkIII has a "micro focus adjustment" that allows you to tweak the front/back focus (and I think) save settings for specific lenses.

Das Experten will be along momentarilly if this is incorrect... ;)

[Tom W]

This feature (micro adjustment) and 51 AF points are already available in a sub $2,000 Nikon D300. So it should be incorporated in new Canon DSLR's.

Unfortunately, the D300, like it's predecessor, is a bit noisy and utilizes Nikon's noise-and-detail-reduction processing to achieve somewhat respectable high-ISO results. Those features you mention, in my opinion, are wasted on that camera.

They would be useful on a full frame camera with large, clean pixels though.

[Tom W]

I'm hoping for a PMA announcement myself, but then again i guess we all are. Reading this thread however, it does seem more likely to be announced at Photokina unfortunately.

Canon had better get on the ball. There's a thread on Fred Miranda's site right now about people selling their 5D's in favor of the Nikon D3. :)

[gpx4]

Are your facts based on reviews or experience?

ISO 1600 of the D300 is just as good as ISO 1600 of my 5D. And i saw it with my own two eyes.

Unfortunately, the D300, like it's predecessor, is a bit noisy and utilizes Nikon's noise-and-detail-reduction processing to achieve somewhat respectable high-ISO results. Those features you mention, in my opinion, are wasted on that camera.

They would be useful on a full frame camera with large, clean pixels though.

[I Simonius]

I'm hoping for a PMA announcement myself, but then again i guess we all are. Reading this thread however, it does seem more likely to be announced at Photokina unfortunately.

Tis a sad thing:cry:

This feature (micro adjustment) and 51 AF points are already available in a sub $2,000 Nikon D300. So it should be incorporated in new Canon DSLR's.

I don't know about 51 AF points but just a few where the portrait 'eye' gets focussed would do me;)

They would be useful on a full frame camera with large, clean pixels though.

Like the 5D (MK2?) eh;):D

Canon had better get on the ball. There's a thread on Fred Miranda's site right now about people selling their 5D's in favor of the Nikon D3. :)

:evil:money must grow on trees for those guys!:evil:


Are your facts based on reviews or experience?

ISO 1600 of the D300 is just as good as ISO 1600 of my 5D. And i saw it with my own two eyes.

afriend of mine checked the Noinks out with the same view in mind but came to the opposite conclusion (see further back up the thread):p

[cyrn]

I don't know about 51 AF points but just a few where the portrait 'eye' gets focussed would do me;)


the 51 AF points are a joy to use. :cool::cool:

[I Simonius]

the 51 AF points are a joy to use. :cool::cool:

maybe but overkill on a slow fps camera, and they would bump the price up

I'd rather have other facilities for the money those many would cost

Keep the current lot I say but just add some cross type for where the eyes tend to be in portrait

Apart from that tehre's nothing wrong with the5D focussing

[cyrn]

maybe but overkill on a slow fps camera, and they would bump the price up

I'd rather have other facilities for the money those many would cost

Keep the current lot I say but just add some cross type for where the eyes tend to be in portrait

Apart from that tehre's nothing wrong with the5D focussing

quite true. 5D isn't really those fast action cams.

[lowcrust]

Not to derail the thread further but how does the camera know what focus point to use out of 51 choices? I only really use the center one myself. Does it get more accurate with more points or just faster?

[Tom W]

Are your facts based on reviews or experience?

ISO 1600 of the D300 is just as good as ISO 1600 of my 5D. And i saw it with my own two eyes.

I've seen plenty of test images around the net - the D300 suffers from the same software-based noise reduction technique that the D200 had. Perhaps to a more refined level, but it's still a problem to my eyes.

Now, the D3, that's something else altogether.

[Tom W]

:evil:money must grow on trees for those guys!:evil:


Well, do you want to buy a 400/2.8 IS? :)

j/k - not for sale. But that's how people change brands. And Nikon loves it, just as Canon did 4 years ago. And will again in a couple of years when the next latest, greatest product hits the market.

[Dragos Jianu]

maybe but overkill on a slow fps camera, and they would bump the price up

I'd rather have other facilities for the money those many would cost

Keep the current lot I say but just add some cross type for where the eyes tend to be in portrait

Apart from that tehre's nothing wrong with the5D focussing

Not really. Try using f/1.4 for portraits, in low light, using "focus and recompose". Not having to recompose would reduce the focus errors immensely. Not to mention increasing the AF speed. Now imagine getting 12MP vs 10MP, 3" VGA vs 3" 220.000 , weather sealing, 100% VF and 51 WORKING AF points for less then half the price of what Canon asks for the 1D3. Thats competition. Brutal. Cut-throat. And that's what's gonna make the next generation of cams WAY better. As opposed to sucking up on Canon and blunt denial of the obvious. (I'm not talking about you, I'm talking about the general attitude towards the D300/D3/A700.)

[I Simonius]

Not really. Try using f/1.4 for portraits, in low light, using "focus and recompose".

which is exactly why I keep asking for cross type AF points at the eye level on portraits;)

Still think that 51 points would be overkill for the 5D thougfh.. considering what it would cost..:-)

[Nortelbert]

Still think that 51 points would be overkill for the 5D though.. considering what it would cost..:-)

I think most of the Nikon's 51 points are near the centre; that's not very useful (i.e., if three or four points in the centre can do the job, why do you need another couple of dozen within the same pattern?). I would prefer 11-15 points spread around the viewfinder.

[I Simonius]

I think most of the Nikon's 51 points are near the centre; that's not very useful (i.e., if three or four points in the centre can do the job, why do you need another couple of dozen within the same pattern?). I would prefer 11-15 points spread around the viewfinder.

exactly - the 5D already has loads of assist points round the centre - as I say what we need is something to obviate the focus recompose hassle in portraits i.e. extra cross type AF points (for fast lenses in low light) at the position where the eyes wuld fall, so e.g. if you were going to focus on the left eye yuo could use the left eyelevel AF point, ?r ight eye=right AF points etc so on and so forth undsoweiter:-)

[gpx4]

wrong.

51 AF points of the D300 goes far to the left/right at landscape, so at portrait mode it's perfect to AF on eyes and not have too much headroom.

51 AF points of the D3 is not as spead out as the D300.


I think most of the Nikon's 51 points are near the centre; that's not very useful (i.e., if three or four points in the centre can do the job, why do you need another couple of dozen within the same pattern?). I would prefer 11-15 points spread around the viewfinder.

[Nortelbert]

wrong.

51 AF points of the D300 goes far to the left/right at landscape, so at portrait mode it's perfect to AF on eyes and not have too much headroom.

51 AF points of the D3 is not as spread out as the D300.

That's why I said "I think..." :-) You're right about the D30 (http://a.img-dpreview.com/previews/NikonD300/Images/viewfinderview.jpg)0


Anyhoo, I am hoping the next 5D iteration has more focus points than the current one, and they they are a little more accurate

[Who?]

After it's announcement, regardless of when that might be - how long after said announcement could one expect the 5D's successor to actually hit the streets (judging by past patterns)?

[I Simonius]

After it's announcement, regardless of when that might be - how long after said announcement could one expect the 5D's successor to actually hit the streets (judging by past patterns)?

realistically- in uk - 2 months;)

[Who?]

realistically- in uk - 2 months;)

Any speculation regarding the US release? The same?

[chauncey]

I tried to put down a deposit at B&H as they are the largest reciever of canons in the US. That's where I'm going when they are released.
Oh, they wouldn't take a deposit.

[I Simonius]

Any speculation regarding the US release? The same?

No idea for the US. All I know is in UK it takes a month to get to the suppliers at least then there's a first batch that go to the preorders then it's a wait anywhere 2 -4 weeks for the next batch to come along which is usually in larger quanitity

A few months after that the price drops to something sensible and that's when I'll be buying

So - 4 -6 months before I get one from date of announcement;)

[danielyamseng]

I guess we just have to be patient to get the best bargain. After few months of release for sure the price would drop a bit.

[fi20100]

Don't know if it has already been said in here, but I just read that Canon's chief of strategy, Mr Owada, has confirmed that the next iteration of the 5D will be released in 2008. He also said that it will be more durable than the current 5D (probably more like the 40D) and have more megapixels.

He had said this to the Japanese magazine KyodoNews.

[I Simonius]

Don't know if it has already been said in here, but I just read that Canon's chief of strategy, Mr Owada, has confirmed that the next iteration of the 5D will be released in 2008. He also said that it will be more durable than the current 5D (probably more like the 40D) and have more megapixels.

He had said this to the Japanese magazine KyodoNews.

Thanks - yes it had been mentioned - now all we can do is wait for the specifics!;):D

[Baltimore Bob]

The Northlight Images 5D rumours page (http://www.northlight-images.co.uk/cameras/Canon_5d2_3d_7d.html) has a very interesting update. If it's to be trusted then UK pricing for the "5D MkII" is apparently £1800 in the UK which is currently 50% more than the 5D price. :cool:

Bob.

[JohnnyG]

The Northlight Images 5D rumours page (http://www.northlight-images.co.uk/cameras/Canon_5d2_3d_7d.html) has a very interesting update. If it's to be trusted then UK pricing for the "5D MkII" is apparently £1800 in the UK which is currently 50% more than the 5D price. :cool:

Bob.
Wow! If those prices are any indication of what they would cost in the US then I'm afraid that knocks me out of the market.

That would be over $3500.00, estimated, in the US! Yikes!!!

[hamond]

Wow! If those prices are any indication of what they would cost in the US then I'm afraid that knocks me out of the market.

That would be over $3500.00, estimated, in the US! Yikes!!!

That would be a "normal" europe price. (we pay alot more than you guys. sometimes 30 to 40% more)
I don't think the US price is that high....

[I Simonius]

The Northlight Images 5D rumours page (http://www.northlight-images.co.uk/cameras/Canon_5d2_3d_7d.html) has a very interesting update. If it's to be trusted then UK pricing for the "5D MkII" is apparently £1800 in the UK which is currently 50% more than the 5D price. :cool:

Bob.
£1800 is however £800 cheaper than the first 5D price at launch;)

[Baltimore Bob]

Wow! If those prices are any indication of what they would cost in the US then I'm afraid that knocks me out of the market.

That would be over $3500.00, estimated, in the US! Yikes!!!
Looking at current 40D prices on both sides of the Atlantic US$ prices seem to be 50% "higher" than £ sterling figures so maybe you will see the "Mk II" for $2700. Of course this is all speculation over a rumour.:rolleyes: Back in the market? :wink:

[sm1rf]

£1800 is however £800 cheaper than the first 5D price at launch;)
Was it really that expensive first launch £2400, that's the same as a 1.3 1D body?!:(

[herbe_nelson]

In reference to the Northlight images reference it seems that the 1800 pounds price was in reference to the new 1D that is rumoured to be in development.

"...The same source suggested that there would indeed be a '5D related' launch at PMA. And in the best 'till last category... the 25FPS version later this year -- £1800 with a range of 'kit' lenses"

I read the price reference as referring to the new 1D. It is written in a new sentence after all... ;) I really hope that it won't be that much!

all the best,
Nelson

[Baltimore Bob]

£1800 for a new 1-series body. :roll::roll::roll: Well, if that happens Christmas has come early. Unusually for Northlight Images, I found the construction of the whole report grammatically difficult. My take on it was that the author let his enthusiasm about a future 25 fps model get the better of him. Take it out and the price can very easily be interpreted as applying to the 5D. And remember that, if true, £1800 is cheap compared to the original price of the 5D. If we are talking about a 1-series camera for £1800 then the 5D price will be mad. Hope you're right. :cool:

Bob.

[danielyamseng]

yeah.it's very true

[herbe_nelson]

yeah northlight can sometimes be a bit weird grammatically but I love it as a more central resource for 'fairly' credible rumours. I say this with a very tentatively, as after all they are rumours.

The info that he has about the 24mp 25fps in development 1D sometimes AWESOME! Hopefully in the next few months more will develop around this rumour and that it becomes a reality. :)

If I get one then I don't see myself using 25fps too often, especially not at 24mp. I assume that the 25fps he mentions will be at about 10-12mp and then you can move it to ~5fps (like 1DsIII) for 24mp.

Bring on 2008!

ps. on Northlight it mentions that "several new models were seen", come on Canon! go go go!

Nelson

[John_TX]

yeah northlight can sometimes be a bit weird grammatically but I love it as a more central resource for 'fairly' credible rumours. I say this with a very tentatively, as after all they are rumours.

The info that he has about the 24mp 25fps in development 1D sometimes AWESOME! Hopefully in the next few months more will develop around this rumour and that it becomes a reality. :)

If I get one then I don't see myself using 25fps too often, especially not at 24mp. I assume that the 25fps he mentions will be at about 10-12mp and then you can move it to ~5fps (like 1DsIII) for 24mp.

Bring on 2008!

ps. on Northlight it mentions that "several new models were seen", come on Canon! go go go!

Nelson

One way Canon could theoretically allow 24MP @ 25FPS would be to have TWO CF slots and have the option for hardware striping of the CF cards. For those of you not familiar with computer hard drives, it's where you setup two hard drives and the computer writes data to both drives at the same time. For example, the data 0101010101 would be written like this:
CF 1: all the 000000 would be written to it.
CF 2: all the 111111 would be written to it.

Then when you pull the data back off both CF cards, a simple computer program combines it together again into RAW/JPEG. This would allow you to almost double the write-rate of CF cards. Obviously, the risk of loosing a card is greater, but this feature would only be enabled if the fast 24FPS was needed.

I really think we'll see something like this down the road if removable media doesn't evolve as quickly. OR Canon might put a ridiculously HUGE cache of DDR ram in the camera (think 1-2GB), which would allow 24FPS for a minute or so. Then it would spend a good while transferring the buffer to media.

[herbe_nelson]

I've just gone and had another look at Northlight regarding the 1D rumour. In the 1D rumour section he actually quotes himself saying that the 'in development' 1D will be 1800 pounds:

"
2008 January
16th Some latest comments we were sent about something (24MP) that might fulfil the role of 1D3 follow-up are on the 5D2 (http://www.northlight-images.co.uk/cameras/Canon_5d2_3d_7d.html) page (25FPS version later this year/early next -- £1800 with a range of 'kit' lenses :-) "

http://www.northlight-images.co.uk/cameras/Canon_1D_MkIV.html



When you add this to his original comment on the 5D page it seems like he was referring to the new 1D as being 1800 pounds.


If this price is right then I'll be waiting and watching patiently. :D



John I am fairly familiar with the striping of the cards that you are referring to and I could see this as being a possible option. I'd be betting on a new shutter mechanism.



Also, isn't there a new canon factory opening in japan that is expected to be fully operational around june/july? Many expect even better high ISO performance from Canon in the not too distant future if new CMOS procedures are enforced in this upcoming plant.


Win Win for us! :)


all the best,
Nelson

[John_TX]

Also, isn't there a new canon factory opening in japan that is expected to be fully operational around june/july? Many expect even better high ISO performance from Canon in the not too distant future if new CMOS procedures are enforced in this upcoming plant.


Win Win for us! :)


all the best,
Nelson

The opening of Canon's new CMOS fab is one reason why I think we're about to see a fundamental change in DSLR's.
While I don't have the sources available, I've read in multiple places that for the past couple of years, Canon has pretty much been tapped out with regards to it's sensor production capacities.
This would possibly explain their introduction of the APS-C sized sensors.

With a new fab up & running, and economies of scale kicking in, I can easily foresee very economical FF sensor cameras being released. While a xxxD FF might be a stretch, xxD series FF seems to be in the cards.

From a marketing standpoint, this would absolutely devastate Nikon and other's who rely on 3rd party manufacturer's for their sensors. Canon should be able to price camera's well below Nikon if they so choose and gain valuable market shares.

If this is their plan, I would think a well-designed marketing campaign which educates the P&S crowd about quality over quantity in the mega pixel race would be extremely beneficial. I think technology-wise, we're to the point where MP's can't go up too much further on these tiny 1/2.5" sensors without introducing tremendous amounts of noise in the image. If the mega pixel war continues, they will be forced to introduce larger sensors to keep noise manageable.

[I Simonius]

Was it really that expensive first launch £2400,

yup

yeah.it's very true

:rolleyes:

The opening of Canon's new CMOS fab is one reason why I think we're about to see a fundamental change in DSLR's.
While I don't have the sources available, I've read in multiple places tha

hope so!;)

[lowcrust]

There's no sense for striping on the CF cards, but a "picture stripe" where every second picture get written to a separate card would be great. It would clear the buffer (theoretically) would clear twice as fast. More cache memory is a given.

[CoolToolGuy]

There's no sense for striping on the CF cards, but a "picture stripe" where every second picture get written to a separate card would be great. It would clear the buffer (theoretically) would clear twice as fast. More cache memory is a given.

I don't think that is the case. At the present time, the camera is the bottleneck in writing to the card, not the card.

Have Fun,

[lowcrust]

Yes, of course. We are talking future models here. I would say it's easier fixing the camera speed than the card end.

[Chiva]

All that matters is that the new 5D either does something useful with the direct print button (mirror lockup) or they ditch it.

They could seriously just bring out the same 5D with a mirror lockup button and i would be happy.

[lowcrust]

Ditch the print button? Are you on crack? To even think they would update it with some sort of functionality is like saying the pope will encourage safe sex or convert to Islam.

[danielyamseng]

Ditch the print button? Are you on crack? To even think they would update it with some sort of functionality is like saying the pope will encourage safe sex or convert to Islam.
hahahahah:lol:

[I Simonius]

All that matters is that the new 5D either does something useful with the direct print button (mirror lockup) or they ditch it.

They could seriously just bring out the same 5D with a mirror lockup button and i would be happy.

you would ? you'd pay £1000 (guess) more than the current model?
:rolleyes: - not really - but I know what you mean;)

Ditch the print button? Are you on crack? To even think they would update it with some sort of functionality is like saying the pope will encourage safe sex or convert to Islam.

Not a bad analogy and pretty accurate probably:cry:

[strat666]

In the 1D rumour section he actually quotes himself saying that the 'in development' 1D will be 1800 pounds
I realise the 1D series' are weighty by nature, but this is ridiculous.

[herbe_nelson]

hahaha yes I can see how you can interpret it that way :P

I don't have the pound key on my keyboard and can't seem to find out how to insert it into posts.

For those still wondering, 1800 pounds was currency and not weight. :P

Nelson

[I Simonius]

hahaha yes I can see how you can interpret it that way :P

I don't have the pound key on my keyboard and can't seem to find out how to insert it into posts.

For those still wondering, 1800 pounds was currency and not weight. :P

Nelson

BGP;) ('Great Britain {ish?} Pounds');)

[herbe_nelson]

"BGP:wink: ('Great Britain {ish?} Pounds'):wink:"

indeed :)

[strat666]

hahaha yes I can see how you can interpret it that way :P
Ya, it was stated with tongue firmly in cheek :p

[Meaty0]

Whoop! Whoop! Action Stations! 11 Days to go...until we know! EDIT: To placate those below....4 Days to go!!!

[Jim G]

Whoop! Whoop! Action Stations! 11 Days to go...until we know!

Or maybe four if they announce it on the 24th like some people seem to be expecting ;)

[herbe_nelson]

11 days? Isn't there meant to be an announcement on the 24th? :P

Nelson

[John_TX]

... :)

I got in on the end of that one!

[herbe_nelson]

*edit* sarcasm implied :P ;)

Nelson

[lowcrust]

My wife asked me the other day if I had anything planned for the 24th or if she could book us in for dinner with friends. I said I knew there's something going on that day, so I checked the calendar. But I didn't see anything in there but still couldn't give her a definite answer until I had figured out what it was... until it struck me, it's the Canon press release! Man I felt lame, never told the old lady 'cus she'd send me off to rehab for "electronic equipment addiction".

[Chiva]

My wife asked me the other day if I had anything planned for the 24th or if she could book us in for dinner with friends. I said I knew there's something going on that day, so I checked the calendar. But I didn't see anything in there but still couldn't give her a definite answer until I had figured out what it was... until it struck me, it's the Canon press release! Man I felt lame, never told the old lady 'cus she'd send me off to rehab for "electronic equipment addiction".

yeah it should be a public holiday.....
I'm almost lucky...
I'm in Australia where 26th is australia day public holiday.

[herbe_nelson]

yeah it should be a public holiday.....
I'm almost lucky...
I'm in Australia where 26th is australia day public holiday.

yeh same here :D

the good thing with american press releases is that it is about a day after here so it'll be saturday when we read the news, not friday. :p we've got the weekend to digest haha...

Nelson

[I Simonius]

Whoop! Whoop! Action Stations! 11 Days to go...until we know! EDIT: To placate those below....4 Days to go!!!

right - get ready for parade!;)

Man I felt lame, never told the old lady 'cus she'd send me off to rehab for "electronic equipment addiction".

EEA eh? We got it baaaad:p

[jonas18z]

One way Canon could theoretically allow 24MP @ 25FPS would be to have TWO CF slots and have the option for hardware striping of the CF cards. For those of you not familiar with computer hard drives, it's where you setup two hard drives and the computer writes data to both drives at the same time. For example, the data 0101010101 would be written like this:
CF 1: all the 000000 would be written to it.
CF 2: all the 111111 would be written to it.

Then when you pull the data back off both CF cards, a simple computer program combines it together again into RAW/JPEG. This would allow you to almost double the write-rate of CF cards. Obviously, the risk of loosing a card is greater, but this feature would only be enabled if the fast 24FPS was needed.

I really think we'll see something like this down the road if removable media doesn't evolve as quickly. OR Canon might put a ridiculously HUGE cache of DDR ram in the camera (think 1-2GB), which would allow 24FPS for a minute or so. Then it would spend a good while transferring the buffer to media.


For you system why don't buy to CF one filled with 1 and the other filled with 0 then you don't have to take pictures... How ecxatly shuld you system work?

[John_TX]

For you system why don't buy to CF one filled with 1 and the other filled with 0 then you don't have to take pictures... How ecxatly shuld you system work?

Huh? Lost in translation I guess... :rolleyes:

[lowcrust]

That's how striping (raid 0) works. The analogy is flawed as 1 and 0 leads you to believe we're talking of bits, where it's actually chunks of data. So to better explain it we could say a picture get split up in 4 chunks; CF card 1 get chunks A1 and A3 and CF card 2 get B2 and B4. These chunks would then be merged when read, so a normal picture is displayed on the LCD (or when transfered). This greatly improves read/write performance as well as access times, IN THEORY. For most users the gain will be minimal but the risk of losing data will be four times as high (because you only need to have one disk/card failing to lose all data the risk is exponential).

As file sizes are fairly consistent (especially when shooting in rapid succession) I think a better solution in the case of digital SLRs would be to save every second file (picture) to each card. That could theoretically half the time it takes to empty the buffer with only half the risk of RAID 0. The damage of a card failure would also be a lot less devastating than the current one; if one card fails you lose half your pictures but (especially in the case of continuous shooting) that is a lot less critical than loosing one card with long sequences of pictures. If you're lucky there's many "keepers" on the healthy card.

[I Simonius]

For you system why don't buy to CF one filled with 1 and the other filled with 0 then you don't have to take pictures... How ecxatly shuld you system work?
:confused:

That's how striping (raid 0) works. The analogy is flawed as 1 and 0 leads you to believe we're talking of bits, where it's actually chunks of data. So to better explain it we could say a picture get split up in 4 chunks; CF card 1 get chunks A1 and A3 and CF card 2 get B2 and B4. These chunks would then be merged when read, so a normal picture is displayed on the LCD (or when transfered). This greatly improves read/write performance as well as access times, IN THEORY. For most users the gain will be minimal but the risk of losing data will be four times as high (because you only need to have one disk/card failing to lose all data the risk is exponential).

As file sizes are fairly consistent (especially when shooting in rapid succession) I think a better solution in the case of digital SLRs would be to save every second file (picture) to each card. That could theoretically half the time it takes to empty the buffer with only half the risk of RAID 0. The damage of a card failure would also be a lot less devastating than the current one; if one card fails you lose half your pictures but (especially in the case of continuous shooting) that is a lot less critical than loosing one card with long sequences of pictures. If you're lucky there's many "keepers" on the healthy card.

yes that's right the 5D mk2 will have striped livery so you can do striped raids with it

That's livery raids to those unfamiliar with the terminology, or raidy Livers for those who are

What?

Hello - 5D rumours???

Only 3 days to go to announcements - no leaks yet???

BUT wait - what's this:
http://www.northlight-images.co.uk/cameras/Canon_5d2_3d_7d.html

this looks pretty daunting, dismal, depressing.,

a 7D now and wait til sept for a 3D that might be - what - anything

[bbbig]

As file sizes are fairly consistent (especially when shooting in rapid succession) I think a better solution in the case of digital SLRs would be to save every second file (picture) to each card. That could theoretically half the time it takes to empty the buffer with only half the risk of RAID 0. The damage of a card failure would also be a lot less devastating than the current one; if one card fails you lose half your pictures but (especially in the case of continuous shooting) that is a lot less critical than loosing one card with long sequences of pictures. If you're lucky there's many "keepers" on the healthy card.

My thoughts exactly - striping one file over multiple CF cards would make things difficult, from transfer point of view. Of course, the problem goes away if there was a wi-fi (11n) file transfer right out of the CF cards!

[Baltimore Bob]

tsiphoto has surfaced after a 5 month absence on DPR with the prediction of no new 5D body for PMA. :mad:

[VTSHEP1]

Ya, i saw that...sux.

[gpx4]

Look's like we have to just hold on our upgrade money or just look elsewhere. No 5D upgrade yet.

[John_TX]

That's a shame about the 5D, but then again, maybe they figure they'll sell more 1D & 1Ds between now and the run up to the Olympics.
From their perspective, I'm sure they'd rather sell $8k & $4k bodies to those shooting the Olympics instead of a newly released 5D or 3D in the $3k range.

Fall 2008 releases should be very interesting if not much comes out this week.

[Meaty0]

:confused:



yes that's right the 5D mk2 will have striped livery so you can do striped raids with it

That's livery raids to those unfamiliar with the terminology, or raidy Livers for those who are

What?

Hello - 5D rumours???

Only 3 days to go to announcements - no leaks yet???

BUT wait - what's this:
http://www.northlight-images.co.uk/cameras/Canon_5d2_3d_7d.html

this looks pretty daunting, dismal, depressing.,

a 7D now and wait til sept for a 3D that might be - what - anything

Hmmm. I wonder if they're having "problems" with the 5D MkII prototypes, so they figure they better just release the best "working" prototype they have and call it a 7D (to maintain their market share) then release the "proper" (and hopefully bug-free) version of the 5DMkII later this year and call it a 3D?

[sti jaguar]

* on Jan 24 they will announce 2 new cameras for PMA: the 7D and the 450D.
* The 7D will be the 16Mp successor of the 5D. Making room for a 3D introduction later this year.
* The 7D will be the big brother to the 40D. With FF and spectacular high iso performance.
* I suspect the 450D to be surprisingly interesting due to a larger viewfinder and an improved AF system with face-detection.


If the 7D(or 5DmkII) is the successor to the 5D, then what is the point of the 3D?, where will this 3D fit in?....even higher end than the 7D?

[Dragos Jianu]

If the 7D(or 5DmkII) is the successor to the 5D, then what is the point of the 3D?, where will this 3D fit in?....even higher end than the 7D?

450D - 700$
40D - 1300$
7D - 2200$
3D - 3300$
1D - 4500$

yes,3D will be higher end then 7D

[David Nicole]

Even I don't like it , a 3D will be more expensive due to the tech specs including AF, better metering, seals, dual CF or anything else from 1 series. A 5000$ would be on par with the croped 1D. Not forgetting the 1DsII is selling used for about 4000-4500 $. It wouldn't be a surprise to see a lower mpx (13) then the 7D (16) just for better high iso noise.

[DVS_WiNdz]

Not forgetting the 1DsII is selling used for about 4000-4500 $

A used 1Ds Mark II goes for only $3400-$4000 now..

[BugEyes]

I'm now convinced that we will not see a 5D upgrade at PMA.
Only two days and no substantial rumors, no leaked pics etc. I can't remember this ever happening before a real release. On the other hand there is no substantial rumors on any other DSLR either rigth now so I guess the main news is a new IXUS with face recogition and build in cellphone.

I predict that the Nikon D3 will be seen in many olympic photogrphers hands.

[I Simonius]

tsiphoto has surfaced after a 5 month absence on DPR with the prediction of no new 5D body for PMA. :mad:

Ya, i saw that...sux.

Look's like we have to just hold on our upgrade money or just look elsewhere. No 5D upgrade yet.

That's a shame about the 5D, but then again, maybe they figure they'll sell more 1D & 1Ds between now and the run up to the Olympics.
From their perspective, I'm sure they'd rather sell $8k & $4k bodies to those shooting the Olympics instead of a newly released 5D or 3D in the $3k range.

Fall 2008 releases should be very interesting if not much comes out this week.

Hmmm. I wonder if they're having "problems" with the 5D MkII prototypes, so they figure they better just release the best "working" prototype they have and call it a 7D (to maintain their market share) then release the "proper" (and hopefully bug-free) version of the 5DMkII later this year and call it a 3D?

this all makes sense to me - I am beginning to think I will be very surprised if they do bring out a 5Dmk2 at PMA, however if they do bring out a 7D then I guess we'll have the choice betweena low specced 5Dmk2 equivalent or to wait for the 3D which presumably will be a high speccced 5Dmk2 equivalent

- I'll wait for the 3D if the 7D comes out;)

[lowcrust]

There will be a new 5D announced in a few days, have faith my friends. This is typical of Canon.

[I Simonius]

I admire your faith, personally Im not so sure - although there is one site listing the 5Dmk2 as *coming soon*
- so you never know!

There will be a new 5D announced in a few days, have faith my friends. This is typical of Canon.

[SuzyView]

I'd welcome that now. I'm thinking not to sell the current 5D, but buy the new one sometime. :)

[Meaty0]

Hmmm. I wonder if they're having "problems" with the 5D MkII prototypes, so they figure they better just release the best "working" prototype they have and call it a 7D (to maintain their market share) then release the "proper" (and hopefully bug-free) version of the 5DMkII later this year and call it a 3D?


Or maybe they'll just release a 5D MkII with bugs still living (and hope we won't notice them....for a while...):D:D

[Jim G]

There will be a new 5D announced in a few days, have faith my friends. This is typical of Canon.

Yeah, they're usually pretty tight-lipped... I have faith,though! ;)

[gpx4]

If you have a 5D, the new model releases this PMA might not be worth upgrading. So I was told. I guess it's a XXXD.

[BrantG]

We shall see. I can't wait to see what is announced.

[Tom W]

I'm now convinced that we will not see a 5D upgrade at PMA.
Only two days and no substantial rumors, no leaked pics etc. I can't remember this ever happening before a real release. On the other hand there is no substantial rumors on any other DSLR either rigth now so I guess the main news is a new IXUS with face recogition and build in cellphone.

There have been no strong rumors about anything in the SLR area. Nothing!

I predict that the Nikon D3 will be seen in many olympic photogrphers hands.

If the stars align just right, there'll be a D3 in my hands!

[herbe_nelson]

I'm hoping for the 5D line to be split and have the 7D released at PMA with 12 or 13mp and 4 or 5 fps plus digic III and live view and a bit of weather sealing. I would jump all over this camera as a low light WA FF camera.

3D at photokina with the possible release of the 1Dx (24mp 25fps).

I want!

All the best,
Nelson

[gpx4]

Hope the stars align and the D3 gets to your hands too.:)

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2296/2211392721_040e5b0606_o.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2362/2211347735_c7c941deaf_o.jpg





If the stars align just right, there'll be a D3 in my hands!

[narlus]

who is tsiphoto? some insider?


i'll be really disappointed if there is no 5D camera announced in two days' time. but my bank account will be happy.

[Baltimore Bob]

who is tsiphoto? some insider?
Check his track record (http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/postersprofile.asp?poster=hhiziiiwhxii). :idea:

[Yohan Pamudji]

who is tsiphoto? some insider?


i'll be really disappointed if there is no 5D camera announced in two days' time. but my bank account will be happy.


Yeah, tsiphoto has consistently predicted/leaked the last 2 (3?) Canon bodies' specs down to the last detail. He's either an insider or has very good sources. If he says there's no 5D replacement coming at PMA I'd lean toward believing him. If this is true, I wouldn't be surprised if this is an unplanned delay due to the need to retool the 5D replacement to be more competitive in light of Nikon's updated lineup.

Bummer. I was hoping for one to be released now and the bugs all worked out for a big trip I have lined up for later this year. September/October 2008 is cutting it too close for my personal comfort level (or lack thereof) with new Canon products--they ain't exactly batting 1000 these days.

[John_TX]

I am really surprised Canon is able to keep everything so tight-lipped!

US based companies leak like the Titanic.

I'm not really sure if it's a cultural thing over there in Japan where most of Canon's employees are life-timers or if they have some really scary "I'll burn down your house and make you disappear" non-disclosure agreements.

Either way, not even a peep 2 days before the announcement is dang impressive (even if TSIPHOTO is an insider, he didn't spill details this time).

[Rumjungle]

I'm see a similar report from a Mac related website:
http://www.electronista.com/articles/08/01/22/canon.eos.3d.leak/

[freddyco]

Hope the stars align and the D3 gets to your hands too.:)

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2296/2211392721_040e5b0606_o.jpg



Egads!!! I am so jealous. You want another 5D and some L glass in return for the D3?? :)

[I Simonius]

If you have a 5D, the new model releases this PMA might not be worth upgrading. So I was told. I guess it's a XXXD.

Looks like predictions are panning out that way...:cry:

who is tsiphoto? some insider?


i'll be really disappointed if there is no 5D camera announced in two days' time. but my bank account will be happy.

Hmm sad but true...:cry:

If this is true, I wouldn't be surprised if this is an unplanned delay due to the need to retool the 5D replacement to be more competitive in light of Nikon's updated lineup.


I guess.. but still a bummer:cry:

I'm see a similar report from a Mac related website:
http://www.electronista.com/articles/08/01/22/canon.eos.3d.leak/


Yeah nad this bit from there

-------------------

The rumored “3D” is to feature:
15.1 megapixels (full frame)
14 bit color
Digic III image processor
ISO 100 to 6400(up to 12800)
AF like 1Dmk III
3 fps [only?]
3 inch screen
A sort of smaller 1D body,with integrated grip but not rear lcd panel [not sure what this means]
1 flash card slot


The supposed 5D replacement:
12.8 megapixels
14 bit color
Digic III image processor
ISO 100 to 3200 (up to 6400)
Improved 9 point AF
4 fps
3 inch screen
Improved body
We’ll see how this pans out. Interesting to say the least."
---------------------------------------------




- if this is true then I'm not going for either!:evil:
I want an UPgrade not a sidegrade:evil:
(getting ready to feel let down and everso obsessivly glum)

and I especially I do not want an integrated battery grip:evil:

[Tom W]

Egads!!! I am so jealous. You want another 5D and some L glass in return for the D3?? :)

I'll take that 14L II off your hands. :)

[Imaginos]

3D...A sort of smaller 1D body,with integrated grip but not rear lcd panel [not sure what this means]

If you look at the back of the 1D family, they have the large LCD for viewing menus and pictures, then a smaller one that shows what format, memory card, folder, and some other odds and ends. I'm assuming that's what will be absent.

And if this 3D is true, and it takes the current 1-series batteries, has weather sealing, and is $3k or less, then it'd be a perfect fit for my needs.

[randplaty]

I am really surprised Canon is able to keep everything so tight-lipped!

US based companies leak like the Titanic.

I'm not really sure if it's a cultural thing over there in Japan where most of Canon's employees are life-timers or if they have some really scary "I'll burn down your house and make you disappear" non-disclosure agreements.

Either way, not even a peep 2 days before the announcement is dang impressive (even if TSIPHOTO is an insider, he didn't spill details this time).


Maybe that's because there's a lack of details to spill. If there's no new 5d, then there's no new specs to be able to leak.

[BrantG]

Looks like predictions are panning out that way...:cry:



Hmm sad but true...:cry:



I guess.. but still a bummer:cry:




Yeah nad this bit from there

-------------------

The rumored “3D” is to feature:
15.1 megapixels (full frame)
14 bit color
Digic III image processor
ISO 100 to 6400(up to 12800)
AF like 1Dmk III
3 fps [only?]
3 inch screen
A sort of smaller 1D body,with integrated grip but not rear lcd panel [not sure what this means]
1 flash card slot


The supposed 5D replacement:
12.8 megapixels
14 bit color
Digic III image processor
ISO 100 to 3200 (up to 6400)
Improved 9 point AF
4 fps
3 inch screen
Improved body
We’ll see how this pans out. Interesting to say the least."
---------------------------------------------




- if this is true then I'm not going for either!:evil:
I want an UPgrade not a sidegrade:evil:
(getting ready to feel let down and everso obsessivly glum)

and I especially I do not want an integrated battery grip:evil:

That would be called a dodge.

[Punisher77]

Post 1000!!!

Damn, 1001. :(

[John_TX]

BTW, is Canon doing the press release on Japan time or US time?

If they release it in Japan first, us in the State's will know about it on Wednesday the 23rd, a whole day before it's released! :p

[sm1rf]

I'd love to see an intergrated grip as there are a large number of grip users who potentially have an achillies heel with the connection, plus it would more likely have weathersealing with an intergrated grip and potentially slightly more compact than a gripped 5D! :)

[I Simonius]

That would be called a dodge.

what would? - what they're doing or my post?:confused:

[I Simonius]

Post 1000!!!

Damn, 1001. :(

yay!;):D:cool:

I'd love to see an intergrated grip as there are a large number of grip users who potentially have an achillies heel with the connection, plus it would more likely have weathersealing with an intergrated grip and potentially slightly more compact than a gripped 5D! :)

what like a weathersealed 400D witha battery grip?:evil:
yuch...ptui;):p

[lowcrust]

A sort of smaller 1D body,with integrated grip but not rear lcd panel [not sure what this means]


I assume they are talking about the smaller LCD (that shows shutter speed, aperture ad ISO etc).

[BugEyes]

BTW, is Canon doing the press release on Japan time or US time?

If they release it in Japan first, us in the State's will know about it on Wednesday the 23rd, a whole day before it's released! :p


Here in Sweden there's a press conference at 9 am local time, that would be 3 am east coast US time. So you will know when you turn on your computer tomorrow.

[narlus]

my computer is on.

give me info! ;)

[BugEyes]

my computer is on.

give me info! ;)

I will post here as soon as I know something, will see the press conference on web TV.

[Who?]

I will post here as soon as I know something, will see the press conference on web TV.

Where exactly can the PC be viewed online?

[BugEyes]

Where exactly can the PC be viewed online?

On the homepage of a swedish photo mag, it will be all in swedish.

[Who?]

I am Swedish, so that's fine by me. Can you linky?

[cosworth]

Never has there been a camera mistakenly regarded so highly that was so eagerly replaced.

Now with more! Better and improved!

Info already damnit!

[BugEyes]

I am Swedish, so that's fine by me. Can you linky?

www.kamerabild.se

Magnus Fröderberg will report from the PC

[Who?]

www.kamerabild.se

Magnus Fröderberg will report from the PC

Thanks, is there an exact time for the PC? Looked around, but couldn't find anything on that site.

[BugEyes]

Thanks, is there an exact time for the PC? Looked around, but couldn't find anything on that site.

As I said, starts 9 am, that according to Magnus.

[Who?]

Sorry, missed your previous post. Thanks.

[arsenik]

Still long time to wait... that will be 3AM EST on Jan. 24th... 18 hours left...

[JohnnyG]

The way I look at it is that "tsiphoto" said "no new 5D at PMA" and that means there could be a 3D because it wouldn't be a 5D replacement!:) It would just be a "new" camera!!!

[arsenik]

I'm actually surprised we still don't have any concrete info... Yesterday I went to my local camera store (Henry's) and out of curiosity asked how far ahead of the public they usually get the word. I was told usually 1 day before the announcement. So I figure that would be today! Any reliable news would be awesome, good or bad, I don't care at this point... :)

[narlus]

Never has there been a camera mistakenly regarded so highly that was so eagerly replaced.

Now with more! Better and improved!

Info already damnit!

hey, we all can't afford 1 series cameras.

the full-frame is more important to me based on what i shoot, and i can't afford a 1Ds.

[cosworth]

If you can afford a 5d you can afford a 1 series. They are the same price used.

I have a 5d and it's for sale...

[sti jaguar]

DAMN, so now there is this 3D which is even better than a 5Dmk II?? Arrggg, this sounds like the camera that I want. I may have to wait out until September for the 3D instead of the 5D mkII (7D).

[Yohan Pamudji]

If you can afford a 5d you can afford a 1 series. They are the same price used.

I have a 5d and it's for sale...

You know what he meant--a fullframe 1 series that isn't, oh, 5 years old :)

[I Simonius]

Never has there been a camera mistakenly regarded so highly that was so eagerly replaced.

Now with more! Better and improved!

Info already damnit!

Info info info!;)

I'm actually surprised we still don't have any concrete info... Yesterday I went to my local camera store (Henry's) and out of curiosity asked how far ahead of the public they usually get the word. I was told usually 1 day before the announcement. So I figure that would be today! Any reliable news would be awesome, good or bad, I don't care at this point... :)

me neither.. just put me out of my misery!:p;)

DAMN, so now there is this 3D which is even better than a 5Dmk II?? Arrggg, this sounds like the camera that I want. I may have to wait out until September for the 3D instead of the 5D mkII (7D).

Is , will it be better than a 5D mk2 - no one can tell uless they do actually release a 5D mk2..., 3D,7D, 5Dmk2... who cares as long as it's FF and an up grade ( not a sidegrade) I dunnie care

'A nose by any other gnome would sell me such a sweet'

[I Simonius]

I jus' got a feeling...we will see a 16 MP FF camera announced.....;)

[Baltimore Bob]

tsiphoto predicts a new Rebel :cool: (no surprise there), no "3D" :sad: and says nothing about a "7D" :wink:

[I Simonius]

tsiphoto predicts a new Rebel :cool: (no surprise there), no "3D" :sad: and says nothing about a "7D"

I predict a new Printer, a new compact, a new storage device, a new DSLR (low end) and new Canon shades:cool::cool::cool::cool:. ( might be wrong on that last one.......:p

What I hope for is a new 5D model ( no matter what they call it )
that has more MPs and the rest of the usual stuff thy've given the other upgrades (14bit, Digic3 etc) - that;s all;)

[MrChad]

Can you imagine not one stinking photo leak etc.?

You'd think we'd have a rebel shot or something...

Maybe there are no new toys from Canon. :lol:

[freddyco]

there is no way they could redesign and manufacture a new sensor from the ground up since the Nikon D3 was announced. The EOS 3D or 5D II will happen late 2008. The 7D is just FF 40D kind thing to give canon something to compete against the D300. Even that one may be late from what I hear.

Canon probably needs to paper launch some models 3 to 5 months before you can actually buy them. Just need something new out there to save face. It's called panic mode! :-)

[I Simonius]

there is no way they could redesign and manufacture a new sensor from the ground up since the Nikon D3 was announced. The EOS 3D or 5D II will happen late 2008. The 7D is just FF 40D kind thing to give canon something to compete against the D300. Even that one may be late from what I hear.

Canon probably needs to paper launch some models 3 to 5 months before you can actually buy them. Just need something new out there to save face. It's called panic mode! :-)

I'd be surprised if canon didn't have spies in Noink & vv;)

Hoemsoever...

canon are unlikey - I would tink - to create a new type of sensor alyogether but would use either the old 1DsMK2 or the new 1D3 sensor - or at least that's what everyone has said to date - but having said that surely that was exactly what they did for the 5D mk1? non? ( I no expert:neutral:)

So whatever they are going to do and whenever they are going to do it, they will have had it in the pipeline for a long time and tooling all set up for a while - I imagine - it takes a long toime to set that up - so only their perception of market demand will decide whether they release now or later - ;)

[maxpower2078]

I'd be surprised if canon didn't have spies in Noink & vv;)

Hoemsoever...

canon are unlikey - I would tink - to create a new type of sensor alyogether but would use either the old 1DsMK2 or the new 1D3 sensor - or at least that's what everyone has said to date - but having said that surely that was exactly what they did for the 5D mk1? non? ( I no expert:neutral:)

So whatever they are going to do and whenever they are going to do it, they will have had it in the pipeline for a long time and tooling all set up for a while - I imagine - it takes a long toime to set that up - so only their perception of market demand will decide whether they release now or later - ;)

Well, from my angle, I think the market is ready for a replacement or something similar to the 5d, but newer. The 5d is 30 months old now and as I am in the market for this range of a camera right now, but do not want to buy 30 month old technology. I am not saying the 5d is a bad camera in any way, shape or form, but if I as a consumer had a choice between a 30 month old 5d or brand new (name of new camera), there would be no choice and it would be traveling via UPS to my place.

[I Simonius]

Well, from my angle, I think the market is ready for a replacement or something similar to the 5d, but newer. The 5d is 30 months old now and as I am in the market for this range of a camera right now, but do not want to buy 30 month old technology. I am not saying the 5d is a bad camera in any way, shape or form, but if I as a consumer had a choice between a 30 month old 5d or brand new (name of new camera), there would be no choice and it would be traveling via UPS to my place.

I'm with you on that for sure;)

[maxpower2078]

Well, from my angle, I think the market is ready for a replacement or something similar to the 5d, but newer. The 5d is 30 months old now and as I am in the market for this range of a camera right now, but do not want to buy 30 month old technology. I am not saying the 5d is a bad camera in any way, shape or form, but if I as a consumer had a choice between a 30 month old 5d or brand new (name of new camera), there would be no choice and it would be traveling via UPS to my place.

I just really want a FF sensor as I use to have a 300d before it was stolen and when I replaced my gear, I went with a 1v to try the 35mm realm out as I stepped straight into digital like a lot of other. Well I love my 1v and I will probably never know what it is completely capable of doing.

My point is why I look into my ladies 400d, I see this little tiny, tiny viewfinder and think, man I use to look through this???

I am about ready to just back into the digital age, but still keep the 1v for things like star trails and certain other things, it is just really hard to beat fuji velvia 50 scanned on a good scanner.

I really, really hope there is this famed 7d, even if they keep the 12.8mpix of the 5d, but just give it digic III and the dust protection stuff I will be more than happy. I don't need a fancy 3" screen, I am not going to sit there and edit them on the camera???

[gpx4]

There is no leak from Canon because there is nothing exciting enough to leak.
It will take them another year to just catch up with Nikon.

[Meaty0]

Hmmm. Methinks I shall have to actually GO to PMA next year ('09). They even have a monorail...woohoo! Maybe the 5D MkII will actually be released by then.

[herbe_nelson]

Hmmm. Methinks I shall have to actually GO to PMA next year ('09). They even have a monorail...woohoo! Maybe the 5D MkII will actually be released by then.
hahaha :P

Nelson

[fi20100]

Well so far the 450D is out, but no sight of 3D, 5D II or 7D...

[herbe_nelson]

Well so far the 450D is out, but no sight of 3D, 5D II or 7D...
here's hoping for something in the next week! ;)

Nelson

[fi20100]

I'm actually starting to think that Nikon's D3 and D300 actually made the Canon R&D people get back to the drawing board...

[David Nicole]

Sorry Canon, next thursday I'll place my order for a D3.
The best Canon is called Nikon.

[DVS_WiNdz]

Well so far the 450D is out, but no sight of 3D, 5D II or 7D...

Wait till tomorrow.. it should be announced by then.. if not.. probably later this year.

[danielyamseng]

Sorry Canon, next thursday I'll place my order for a D3.
The best Canon is called Nikon.
hahah you're very funny:lol:

[herbe_nelson]

Sorry Canon, next thursday I'll place my order for a D3.
The best Canon is called Nikon.
well the best nikon would not be possible without sony. Think about that for a second before you start bashing canon :) lol

Nelson

[Chandler.]

well the best nikon would not be possible without sony. Think about that for a second before you start bashing canon :) lol

Nelson

If you consider the best Noink to be the D3, then you should know that they make their own sensors for that particular camera. Think about that for a second before you start bashing Nikon ;)

[herbe_nelson]

firstly i'm not bashing nikon in anyway! The D300 and D3 are superb cameras and create great competition. We were debating about this is another thread and Nikon designs the D3 sensor but does not make it!

Sony makes the sensor.

[Chandler.]

firstly i'm not bashing nikon in anyway! The D300 and D3 are superb cameras and create great competition. We were debating about this is another thread and Nikon designs the D3 sensor but does not make it!

Sony makes the sensor.

I stand corrected then. I've been reading all this Noink propaganda about how they finally have a Nikon sensor.

I guess that's just a half-truth then.

[Meaty0]

I see that Canon have introduced an 800mm f/5.6 lens. Hmmm....that huge phallic compensator should impress the ladies. I might have to blow my 5D MkII savings on one of them instead. :D (Or a Nikon..)

[Chandler.]

Did you see the prices on the two new L's? Absolutely crazy, even if they are MSRP.

[herbe_nelson]

Did you see the prices on the two new L's? Absolutely crazy, even if they are MSRP.
I know! :O

The prices are a bit... expensive?

Hopefully it will be a bit lower when they hit the market in april/may

Nelson