NEW 5D RUMOUR !!

[I Simonius]

You can get the financials from www.Canon.com for the year 2007.

NB I put the :rolleyes: emoticon after my comment;)

[I Simonius]

Looking at the numbers our current 5D is a flipping bargain and very relavant still.

I say we really don't need a new 5D to be a "market" leader again. We need a 12MP or better FF Pro-body with noise, color and speed better then Nikon's D3. Now can Canon do that for $5000 or better? You'd think that would be easy...right? So what we need is a 1D between the current two with 1Dmk3 speed, but 5D FF with no noise.

hmm interesting arguement....

waaaaaaaaaaaaH! - I want a 5Dmk2! - bwaaaaaaaaaaaah!

MLU, MLU, MLU, MLU!:lol:

::lol::lol::lol::
:p:p:p:p

[EOS mE]

dang.. PMA started and no announcement of 5DMKII yet?

[dufferin]

nothing will come now... except another batch of P&S... and frankly what is the life time for those camera... like a week or two or is there 100.000 references per brand... those stuff grown like mushroom.

[EOS mE]

so is that confirmed? no 5DMKII announced during PMA?

[dufferin]

not really but I don't see it coming...
and I like what dpreview said on his site "...the visitor's favourite being the brand new Rebel XSi/EOS 450D" what else to se anyhow... :rolleyes:

[mattograph]

I agree. Hopefully, the delay means that there will be TWO new models announced at Photokina. A 7d on the 1.3 sensor, and a 5d II with full frame.

[Chandler.]

Remember that transparent body of the 5D mkII we were talking about?

It seems Sony stole the idea

http://a.img-dpreview.com/news/0801/sonypma/DSC00191.jpg

[Trainboy]

That's as wrong as a person walking around without skin. O__O

[Jim G]

so is that confirmed? no 5DMKII announced during PMA?

None yet, looks like anyone who wants to upgrade will be waiting a little while longer ;)

[dufferin]

Last year same things was said when nothing happen in january... so

myself I don't mind I am ok with my 5D and next step for me is MF. I don't need high fps and fast AF. Btu that's for me.

but I like the excitation of a new body and actually one is coming in MF with the association PhaseOne/Mamiya...

Though the big player now in Dslr is sony... with zeiss lens even if I didn't read anything about the lens so far I am sure it's good quality.



I agree. Hopefully, the delay means that there will be TWO new models announced at Photokina. A 7d on the 1.3 sensor, and a 5d II with full frame.

[Yohan Pamudji]

Last year same things was said when nothing happen in january... so

myself I don't mind I am ok with my 5D and next step for me is MF. I don't need high fps and fast AF. Btu that's for me.

but I like the excitation of a new body and actually one is coming in MF with the association PhaseOne/Mamiya...

Though the big player now in Dslr is sony... with zeiss lens even if I didn't read anything about the lens so far I am sure it's good quality.

If you're in digital MF territory, why are you even hanging around with us peons? This thread is for poor people. Get out of here! :lol:

[Yohan Pamudji]

None yet, looks like anyone who wants to upgrade will be waiting a little while longer ;)

New battle cry: "Photokina 2008!"

[I Simonius]

so is that confirmed? no 5DMKII announced during PMA?

the odds are pretty slim now...

None yet, looks like anyone who wants to upgrade will be waiting a little while longer ;)

interesting game Canon are playing...

Remember that transparent body of the 5D mkII we were talking about?It seems Sony stole the idea

yeah - from ME! The case is ongoing:lol:


myself I don't mind I am ok with my 5D and next step for me is MF..

it's there already!There's a switch on the lens...instant MF !:lol:
(yeah yeah- I KNow...;))

New battle cry: "Photokina 2008!"

Hmm doesn't have quite the same ring to it as MLU, MLU, MLU , MLU!
:lol::lol::lol:

[CraigDouglas]

Why would the designers get involved in a tech support issue?

Because it isn't a tech support issue. There was something wrong with the design. Tech support is where the customer/end user is doing something wrong and the product is fine, not when re-engineering needs doing.

[blighty]

18 is a lot. A noisy lot. Its all academic anyway, September's a long way away. And frankly, after this debacle, I'm not even getting out of bed until I get an email from Canon announcing the launch of a 5D MkII, digitally signed by the CEO himself, with a price point, part number and release date.

[I Simonius]

18 is a lot. A noisy lot. Its all academic anyway, September's a long way away. And frankly, after this debacle, I'm not even getting out of bed until I get an email from Canon announcing the launch of a 5D MkII, digitally signed by the CEO himself, with a price point, part number and release date.

and who could blame you!;):D

[MrChad]

Last year same things was said when nothing happen in january... so

myself I don't mind I am ok with my 5D and next step for me is MF. I don't need high fps and fast AF. Btu that's for me.

but I like the excitation of a new body and actually one is coming in MF with the association PhaseOne/Mamiya...

Though the big player now in Dslr is sony... with zeiss lens even if I didn't read anything about the lens so far I am sure it's good quality.

Minolta was working on and announced an SSM G version of their older 28-70mm/2.8 G zoom, but they were sold to Sony before that happened. This Zeiss version may infact be an evolution of that once announced by never debuted lens. Either way Minolta made great lenses in the APO-G line, I fully expect the same quality from Sony's Zeiss and G lines.

[JohnnyG]

I've really gotten cynical about this whole new 5D business. I don't think Canon really cares what I or anyone else thinks about the 5D. The current one is selling I guess so what's the hurry? The closest competitor, I think, is Nikon at $5000 so who cares?

I know that I have been deeply disappointed by this whole debacle. I feel like jumping ship to the other side, the dark side, the Noink side! But I guess Canon doesn't care if I do that either and I won't anyway. So, what to do, what to do? If I spend my money I saved for the 5D, then they'll come out with a new one. At least a lot of other people will be happy if that happens! :)

Okay, I know I'm whining and I don't usually do that.

I believe I will start looking for some nice glass!:D

[jonnythan]

Canon can't win.

If they release new cameras quickly, people decry the forced upgrades etc etc etc. If they wait a few months too long, people beat them over the head for "not caring" and "not bothering."

[Trainboy]

Canon can't win.

If they release new cameras quickly, people decry the forced upgrades etc etc etc. If they wait a few months too long, people beat them over the head for "not caring" and "not bothering."
Welcome of the world of people. This thread is over 80 pages of people who just want to complain!
while we're at it, 7-10 days shipping? Come on, I can't wait that long!!

[JohnnyG]

Welcome of the world of people. This thread is over 80 pages of people who just want to complain!
while we're at it, 7-10 days shipping? Come on, I can't wait that long!!
and the problem of complaining is???

[bbbig]

This thread is over 80 pages of people who just want to complain!
while we're at it, 7-10 days shipping? Come on, I can't wait that long!!

Complaint is the mother of all solutions! Without anyone complaining, we'll have no motivation to get anything done!!!

[nicksan]

Waaaaaaaa....no ISO 25600....waaaaaaa....:rolleyes:

[Trainboy]

and the problem of complaining is???
The problem of not complaining is that threads end really fast :p

[MrChad]

Does anyone remember the days of film bodies? Digital has sort of spoiled everyone I think.

I shot a Pentax K for years, hell they must have made that same camera with almost 0 changes for over 30years!

Then we go AF, a mfg. might make or produce the same AF body for 5-10years before you got an update.

Then we go to digital and suddenly if a model isn't updated every year people are hopping mad.

You'd think after spending $2200-3000.00 on a 5D the owners of such would be happy their investment isn't suddenly the out of date model some 2.5years later.

So what if Nikon has a new D3, you can't put your EF lens of choice on a D3 and most Nikon users can't even get their hands on a D3 because they are sold out as usual per Nikon normal in demand period.

Some how Nikon loyalist stuck by Nikon for years of digital bodies when Canon already had FF. They finally get a new FF body, they deserved it, and everyone is upset because Canon is still selling the same great IQ - great priced - perfectly useable 5D. Go figure?

So it's clear we can't predict Canon trends every 6mo. at that what-ever is next show. But it's likely pretty certain the next Canon FF Pro-sumer body will not be $2200 cheap as the current 5D is. So why wait, if you want FF go get one?

And I won't buy the argument you can't use the 5D for sports, and the reason being the fastest pro-sumer film body from Canon in recent years is the Elan 7 at a smoking 4fps, I used this for some time (and still do.) The next step up is the pro/semi-pro Eos 3 at 4.3fps without a power booster - and with the heavy booster it's something like 6-7fps total.

So the bulk of today's aps-c bodies are faster then anything we owned in the film era. Now that's funny, how did we ever manage to take photos? :rolleyes:

[bbbig]

So the bulk of today's aps-c bodies are faster then anything we owned in the film era. Now that's funny, how did we ever manage to take photos? :rolleyes:

I don't think it's the digital technology that spoiled the photographers - it's forums like this that all made us MAD, cuz now we _know_ people who shoots 9fps on full-frame and we can SEE certain superior images coming out of these cameras. We're no longer just keeping up with the Joneses next door - it's the whole world! :)

[JohnnyG]

Does anyone remember the days of film bodies? Digital has sort of spoiled everyone I think.

I shot a Pentax K for years, hell they must have made that same camera with almost 0 changes for over 30years!

Then we go AF, a mfg. might make or produce the same AF body for 5-10years before you got an update.

Then we go to digital and suddenly if a model isn't updated every year people are hopping mad.

You'd think after spending $2200-3000.00 on a 5D the owners of such would be happy their investment isn't suddenly the out of date model some 2.5years later.

So what if Nikon has a new D3, you can't put your EF lens of choice on a D3 and most Nikon users can't even get their hands on a D3 because they are sold out as usual per Nikon normal in demand period.

Some how Nikon loyalist stuck by Nikon for years of digital bodies when Canon already had FF. They finally get a new FF body, they deserved it, and everyone is upset because Canon is still selling the same great IQ - great priced - perfectly useable 5D. Go figure?

So it's clear we can't predict Canon trends every 6mo. at that what-ever is next show. But it's likely pretty certain the next Canon FF Pro-sumer body will not be $2200 cheap as the current 5D is. So why wait, if you want FF go get one?

And I won't buy the argument you can't use the 5D for sports, and the reason being the fastest pro-sumer film body from Canon in recent years is the Elan 7 at a smoking 4fps, I used this for some time (and still do.) The next step up is the pro/semi-pro Eos 3 at 4.3fps without a power booster - and with the heavy booster it's something like 6-7fps total.

So the bulk of today's aps-c bodies are faster then anything we owned in the film era. Now that's funny, how did we ever manage to take photos? :rolleyes:
I shot a Canon AE-1 Program for many years before digital. Maybe 20 or so?
But, you are saying I need an argument to buy a new camera? A reason?

I only need one thing to buy a new camera and that's desire and some money of course. If I wish to get a new one, that may be reason enough.

I have a 40D which is everything I need in a digital camera probably. But, the lure of FF calls me for the occasional photo with FF. Also the 5D calls me because I have that desire to get one. Whether it will take better photos than my 40D, I still want it. In all honesty, if it took photos as good as my 40D I would be satisfied!

So, I want a 5D because I want it and that's reason enough!:p

[I Simonius]

If I spend my money I saved for the 5D, then they'll come out with a new one. At least a lot of other people will be happy if that happens! :)

Okay, I know I'm whining and I don't usually do that.

I believe I will start looking for some nice glass!:D

It's unlikely you'll get the Mk2 for anywhere near what you can get the current model at, and anyway even if they release the new model today I aint buying for 6 months soonest when the price gets sensibelle. So relax a new 5D will be a bargain and will keep yu in good stead for at least ayear even if the new one comes out in sept., by then wellbe "complainng' ( as someone pt it) that it hasn't got features and functionms we want and well I will have started the 5DMK3 thread by then:p

SO yeah - relax, get the 5D or as you say , suss out some new glass:D

Canon can't win.

If they release new cameras quickly, people decry the forced upgrades etc etc etc. If they wait a few months too long, people beat them over the head for "not caring" and "not bothering."

quite right - gotta keep them one their toes!

Welcome of the world of people. This thread is over 80 pages of people who just want to complain!


no not all 80 pages are complainings, now just go back and count again...:lol:

Waaaaaaaa....no ISO 25600....waaaaaaa....:rolleyes:
:D

Does anyone remember the days of film bodies? Digital has sort of spoiled everyone I think.

not only that I rmemeber FILM and all the hoohah excitment expectation and frustration trhere was using that stuff. Oh yeah - Tecchical pan and Aghfapan 25 everytime!


I shot a Canon AE-1 Program for many years before digital. Maybe 20 or so?
But, you are saying I need an argument to buy a new camera? A reason?

So, I want a 5D because I want it and that's reason enough!:p
quiteright!
I had an AE-1Program.. why didn't I stop there? Next A1, then F1n, ... well becauase they make better cameras for a reason

[I Simonius]

In all seriousness the one thing that holds the 5D above other cameras is simply the IQ, first and foremost.

However what it doesn't have is quite the optimum definition ( resolution) for fine detail in landscapes etc

What it undoubtedly excells at is portraits and on that score I can see no compelling reason to upgrade it

However on the first reason I can see a compelligng reason to upgrade it

The fine resolution of small detail that really can make alandscape pop, isn't there, but Im sure it could be

Not asking for 21MP but it only needs an incremental increase to make all the difference with the current model

This is something I have noticed ever since I first got the 5D.

So I d hope the upgrade to a mk2 and soon. I'll keep my currentone for portraits but for landscape I still want a Mk2, i.e. a light camera with the 5D IQ (inc DR etc, where it still has the edge) but with noticably more resolution (18MP would be idel , not more, not less);)

[MrChad]

In all seriousness the one thing that holds the 5D above other cameras is simply the IQ, first and foremost.

However what it doesn't have is quite the optimum definition ( resolution) for fine detail in landscapes etc

What it undoubtedly excells at is portraits and on that score I can see no compelling reason to upgrade it

However on the first reason I can see a compelligng reason to upgrade it

The fine resolution of small detail that really can make alandscape pop, isn't there, but Im sure it could be

Not asking for 21MP but it only needs an incremental increase to make all the difference with the current model

This is something I have noticed ever since I first got the 5D.

So I d hope the upgrade to a mk2 and soon. I'll keep my currentone for portraits but for landscape I still want a Mk2, i.e. a light camera with the 5D IQ (inc DR etc, where it still has the edge) but with noticably more resolution (18MP would be idel , not more, not less);)

I'm a bit confused here. The 5D can't resolved details in landscape shots? I don't recall this ever being an issue on film, and I don't think the 5D is very far off from film detail. I mean the 1ds 16MP could actually surpass ASA100 film, so one would conclude the 5D isn't very far behind that mark at 12MP.

If that's the case last time I checked trees don't run real fast and Eos film bodies sell for almost free on ebay, and a roll of Astia, Provia 100F, Velvia 50 or 100, or Ektachrome E100 is all of $6 + $9 for processing tops. If you pick up a roll of low ISO print film the total cost is even cheaper yet and the local pharmacy might be able to do the job for less yet.

[cyrn]

Posted here (http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showpost.php?p=4836388&postcount=93)...

Do you think this really is giving Canon a pause to rethink it's successor to 5D?

[JohnnyG]

Posted here (http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showpost.php?p=4836388&postcount=93)...

Do you think this really is giving Canon a pause to rethink it's successor to 5D?
No, I really don't think so.

Canon is too big of a company to get a "knee-jerk" reaction to the latest news from the industry, but of course they do keep abreast. Their plans have been in place for quite a while as far as when to announce. Minor changes that can be done by firmware might go in at the last "minute" whatever that is, but that's all. As far as changing the sensor or something in the hardware, no. Those kinds of changes are too involved to change at the last minute.

The beauty of digital is really in the firmware which is software that supports the hardware. They can change function with a simple software change but their testing still takes a long time. Every change to the firmware involves a complex testing process that takes a lot of time. Usually these changes are successful because of the testing process but sometimes things happen like the Mark III focus issue that somehow slipped through. They simply cannot afford for those kinds of screw-ups to happen often, hence the complex testing process. "Simple" designs are sometimes very complex and affect a major portion of the camera such as focus. Other changes, such as a menu word change, might only affect the menu, but still they have to be tested with test users to ensure the new word is clear and informative. A lot more goes into it than you would ever imagine.

[Yohan Pamudji]

Posted here (http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showpost.php?p=4836388&postcount=93)...

Do you think this really is giving Canon a pause to rethink it's successor to 5D?

No. I think Nikon's D3 and D300 already did that job. With those releases, the 40D-with-FF-sensor 5DII that Canon had ready to go suddenly seemed lackluster.

[I Simonius]

I'm a bit confused here. The 5D can't resolved details in landscape shots? I don't recall this ever being an issue on film, and I don't think the 5D is very far off from film detail. I mean the 1ds 16MP could actually surpass ASA100 film, so one would conclude the 5D isn't very far behind that mark at 12MP.


guess it depends what film you used;)

My standard stock was agfapan 25 or technical pan when I couldn't get it

Im not saying the 5D can't resolve deatil Imsaying it cant resolve very fine detail, there is a clear difference ( to my eye at least) between the 5D detail and the test shots I did with the 1DsMk2 for resolution of fine deatil in a landscape, and here's the important point: my visualisation asks for the resolution of the 18MP camera, however I am not prepared to carry a ton round my neck or pay out that much, also the 5D has those beautiful large photosites that give it that certain je ne sais quoi in everything but the very fine detail
I am not saying the 5D isn't a great camera - or that oit cant resolve detail, just that it doesn'tt (yet) meet my visualisation needs

Rather like befoere fujifilm existed, I wanted a film that rendered those colours,and I knew it before hand- it was how I visualised colour rendition,, when it came out I was satisfied, it willbe the same when the 5D get a sizeabl e MP upgrade;)

[kenwood33]

Guys this thread is getting so long and I am having trouble following. Can some one provide an executive summary of when 5dm2 will be coming out? I sold my camera in anticipation of the release of 5d replacement and now I have no camera to shoot.. :(

[Tom W]

Guys this thread is getting so long and I am having trouble following. Can some one provide an executive summary of when 5dm2 will be coming out? I sold my camera in anticipation of the release of 5d replacement and now I have no camera to shoot.. :(

The 5D Mk II, or whatever it's called, will probably come out in the fall in conjunction with Photokina 2008. It will have a roughly 16 mpx sensor, based on that of the 1D3, will retain it's smaller body, will carry all the features of the 40D plus a more sophisticated AF system, ISO 6400, and a new, larger viewfinder. Plus, a few other bells and whistles like providing AF when in live-view. It will shoot 4 fps with a big buffer. It may use both CF and SD Cards.

It will retail at $2500-2800 at introduction.

This is pure speculation on my part. I have no idea what CANon's planning! ;)

[mattograph]

The 5D Mk II, or whatever it's called, will probably come out in the fall in conjunction with Photokina 2008. It will have a roughly 16 mpx sensor, based on that of the 1D3, will retain it's smaller body, will carry all the features of the 40D plus a more sophisticated AF system, ISO 6400, and a new, larger viewfinder. Plus, a few other bells and whistles like providing AF when in live-view. It will shoot 4 fps with a big buffer. It may use both CF and SD Cards.

It will retail at $2500-2800 at introduction.

This is pure speculation on my part. I have no idea what CANon's planning! ;)

Wow, you had me convinced! I would guess it shoots at a faster burst rate, since noink makes such a big deal about 10 fps.

[Medic1]

I would sure love to wait for the 5D replacement but when the current 5D drops in anticipation of the new model, I don't know if I can keep myself from snatching the current one up at a lowered price. I will still have my 20D which I plan on replacing with a 40D shortly thereafter....but I would be using the 5D for portrait so I don't know if I really can justify the extra cost for the 5D mkII....decisions decisions!

Anyone have any idea when new promo's (like the recently ended double rebate) or price drops on the 5D will start in anticipation of the mkII? I was just about to go pick up a 5D and grip with the double rebate option but it ended before I could do so :(

[Meaty0]

I would sure love to wait for the 5D replacement but when the current 5D drops in anticipation of the new model, I don't know if I can keep myself from snatching the current one up at a lowered price. I will still have my 20D which I plan on replacing with a 40D shortly thereafter....but I would be using the 5D for portrait so I don't know if I really can justify the extra cost for the 5D mkII....decisions decisions!

Anyone have any idea when new promo's (like the recently ended double rebate) or price drops on the 5D will start in anticipation of the mkII? I was just about to go pick up a 5D and grip with the double rebate option but it ended before I could do so :(

I couldn't wait any longer, so I just went out and bought a 5D. I need a second camera for weddings and stuff and I just can't wait until a few months or more beyond September this year. Ah well....it's only money:cry:

[hitmanh]

Wow, you had me convinced! I would guess it shoots at a faster burst rate, since noink makes such a big deal about 10 fps.

The 5d isn't a rival to the Noink... thats the 1dmkIII and 1dsMkIII, so I wouldn't be expecting huge FPS.

[I Simonius]

I couldn't wait any longer, so I just went out and bought a 5D. I need a second camera for weddings and stuff and I just can't wait until a few months or more beyond September this year. Ah well....it's only money:cry:

wayhaaay!;)

[I Simonius]

@PMA, Chuck WEstfall says there is no competition to the 5D as there is no FF camera at that price point and so he sees no reason to upgrade at the moment

Merde!:cry:

[lowcrust]

Whew! For a moment I thought this thread was gonna die soon, seems like our friends at Canon will keep it alive for a few years to come!

[John_TX]

I think Canon enjoys this thread; hence the delayed 5D MkII release.

Why pay a bunch of old, bald, fat guys to sit around a table all day & come up with new camera ideas when they've got us!

[I Simonius]

I wrote an email to Chuck Westfall, told him he was going to have to take over keeping this thread going if he didn't come up with a mk2;-)

He told me not to be so impatient that there was a new one coming out on...
OH Im burnign the toast! -bye:p

[Yohan Pamudji]

Well, Canon lost my money. I had some money set aside in case the 5DII met my requirements and was gonna sell my 1DII bodies and grab 2 5DII bodies to replace them, but I've gone ahead and used that stash to buy a new monitor, LCD mounting arms, a desk, and some computer parts--none of which says "Canon" on it. Even if it comes out in September I might not get it, as the plan was to wait a few months for them to work out the kinks in time for a trip I have coming up in October (might just grab a nice used 5D just for the trip if the 5DII release drives down used 5D prices). And I'm sure Canon cares oh so much that they lost this massive amount of money from me :rolleyes: Oh well, in the meantime I guess I'll just have to concentrate on improving my technique instead of immediately improving through the magic of new equipment :lol:

[gdl357]

When the 5D was realeased ages back I really wanted it and could not afford its $5000.00 rediculous price so I went with a 7NE and bought lens instead. This was my first SLR camera.

I was about to buy the 40D, but still was fixed on having a FF as my first digital camera, so I waited longer. More months went by and still nothing. All canon has done it waste my time and play with my feelings. So I became bitter.

Now, I refuse to buy the 5D at less than half its original price because I consider it old and I have a problem putting any amount of cash on a older camera when the replacement is just around the corner. This will be my first Digital camera and I want it to be of the lastest technology.

SO, what I am trying to say is: CANON would you wake the F'n Up!

[Trainboy]

5D isn't THAT old...

[gdl357]

5D isn't THAT old...

No not that old, you are sort of correct, but when you wait impatiently for over 3+ years for a new one and see other cameras being updated, it feels that it's 10 years old.

Buying a 5D today would be like going out and buying a used Pentium 4 with a CRT monitor. Now why the heck would you do that? To save money, I know but I don't need to save money now. You are basically putting your money on a soon to be end of life product when a few $$$ more and you gets you the latest stuff.

That's the way I see it.

What I may do is buy a used XTI, use it until the new 5D is released and sell it off. Then jump on the new camera.

[cyrn]

@PMA, Chuck WEstfall says there is no competition to the 5D as there is no FF camera at that price point and so he sees no reason to upgrade at the moment

Merde!:cry:

No competition?!?

Does he have internet access???

[circa]

I don't understand why some of you are so hurt on Canon not releasing their new product this month. I doubt they really care what your next planned trip is and I doubt they're going to release their camera to fit your schedule. Whether they release it now or later people are going to scoop it up regardless.

[Chandler.]

I don't understand why some of you are so hurt on Canon not releasing their new product this month. I doubt they really care what your next planned trip is and I doubt they're going to release their camera to fit your schedule. Whether they release it now or later people are going to scoop it up regardless.

We all know this. All this speculation is mostly for fun, and no one here expects Canon to conform to our wishes.

[Jim G]

We all know this. All this speculation is mostly for fun, and no one here expects Canon to conform to our wishes.

The anticipation and pre-emptive drooling is half the fun of new camera announcements :p

[JohnnyG]

All I know is my photography won't get better until I get the new body.:(


;)

[cyrn]

We all know this. All this speculation is mostly for fun, and no one here expects Canon to conform to our wishes.

it's 70% fun and 30% feedback. :D especially when we have no ties and will not be afraid to blast Canon if need be.... not discrediting their current pool...but 1d3 AF shouldn't have passed through either.

[lowcrust]

When the 5D was realeased ages back I really wanted it and could not afford its $5000.00 rediculous price so I went with a 7NE and bought lens instead. This was my first SLR camera.

I was about to buy the 40D, but still was fixed on having a FF as my first digital camera, so I waited longer. More months went by and still nothing. All canon has done it waste my time and play with my feelings. So I became bitter.

Now, I refuse to buy the 5D at less than half its original price because I consider it old and I have a problem putting any amount of cash on a older camera when the replacement is just around the corner. This will be my first Digital camera and I want it to be of the lastest technology.

SO, what I am trying to say is: CANON would you wake the F'n Up!

Classic case of damnit if they do damned if they don't ey? You can't have it all. Either flash up for new technology or pay less for the previous generation.

[I Simonius]

Buying a 5D today would be like going out and buying a used Pentium 4 with a CRT monitor. Now why the heck would you do that? To save money, I know but I don't need to save money now. You are basically putting your money on a soon to be end of life product when a few $$$ more and you gets you the latest stuff.

That's the way I see it.
.

not a good viewIMO;)
Nothing wrong with the 5D that can be betterred by any camera if you only print up t A3. Nothing else has its IQ at that size. The problem comes when you want to go bigger , sharper, without carrying round half a ton of camera

No competition?!?

Does he have internet access???

only to POTN!;):p

We all know this. All this speculation is mostly for fun, and no one here expects Canon to conform to our wishes.

en masse: "oh yes we do, oo ":lol:

The anticipation and pre-emptive drooling is half the fun of new camera announcements :p

exacccerterly:D

All I know is ......... won't get better until I get the new body.


I've needed one of those for the last 15 yrs;)

[bbbig]

Well, Canon lost my money. I had some money set aside in case the 5DII met my requirements and was gonna sell my 1DII bodies and grab 2 5DII bodies to replace them, but I've gone ahead and used that stash to buy a new monitor, LCD mounting arms, a desk, and some computer parts--none of which says "Canon" on it. Even if it comes out in September I might not get it, as the plan was to wait a few months for them to work out the kinks in time for a trip I have coming up in October (might just grab a nice used 5D just for the trip if the 5DII release drives down used 5D prices). And I'm sure Canon cares oh so much that they lost this massive amount of money from me :rolleyes: Oh well, in the meantime I guess I'll just have to concentrate on improving my technique instead of immediately improving through the magic of new equipment :lol:

You'll get 5Dmk2 when they come out, soon or later. Why? Because it's not like you went out to get new cameras in lieu of 5Dmk2, but got computer stuff instead, which you purchased gotten after getting 5Dmk2, had it come out now. Also, two 5Dmk2 does not add up to "massive amount of money". Not like you bought two D3s instead of two 1DsMk3s! Canon made over $4B last year - I don't think they'll even blink for $6k - others are still buying. :)

[cosworth]

I'm borderline frightened by some fo the comments here. Do some of you actually take pictures or just buy what is the latest fanboy drool generator?

I could go into the 5d is good, the 1D Mk.II is good, blah blah but many of you will just laugh and say it's/their old, canon doesn't want my business etc.

Meanwhile, there are people out there making $4000 per wedding with these old cameras, taking incredible images and making you guys look like well... cry babies. My friend Amish has an old camera and he takes pictures I wish I could get. ( http://www.asphoto.ca/ ). Try and guess what old camera he takes these grat shots with. Now I could see Freddy or Jason Cole on here saying they want a new body and want to upgrade - "patiently waiting". I can see Lorek saying "that camera is not available here yet", or perhaps Denis Reggie saying "I'd like to retire my 200 F/1.8 and get that 200 F/2 asap" or even Bottom Bracket saying "That 1Ds Mk.III would be a nice upgrade for some detailed resolution".

But no. They take pictures and quietly work away producing better images.

It never ceases to amaze me how no one ever considers upgrading the processor behind the viewfinder. Or that when the Mk.X comes out the previous model is now junk or that a 2.5 year old camera is "outdated and needs upgrading".

I can spot with one eye the people that shot with film in their lifetime. What's amazing is that they are few and far between here. I rarely get this preachy but I'm going to say it -

Go take some damn pictures and stop complaining.

[bbbig]

Go take some damn pictures and stop complaining.

You have to remember, most of the POTN members are NOT professionals make $ taking photos (recent poll showing only ~14% pro). So, a lot of equipment talk for most of us is really about "new toys", not "getting a better equipment so I can eat". I can see how that could seem pretty irritating for a lot of pros. Well, that's life.

Personally I pretty much shoot only my family, and the motivation behind wanting better equipment is 1) so that I can capture the moment in the best possible way possible, especially for children, and 2) so that I can play with new toys (yes there's a selfish motivation there).

Also just because you don't see their photos here, it doesn't mean they take crappy photos either. I don't post a lot of pictures here or elsewhere, not even on flickr/picasa, as they're photos of my family and they're private. I think you need to consider the possibility that may be some people have other things to do with their life than taking photos for living.

[JohnnyG]

I'm borderline frightened by some fo the comments here. Do some of you actually take pictures or just buy what is the latest fanboy drool generator?

I could go into the 5d is good, the 1D Mk.II is good, blah blah but many of you will just laugh and say it's/their old, canon doesn't want my business etc.

Meanwhile, there are people out there making $4000 per wedding with these old cameras, taking incredible images and making you guys look like well... cry babies. My friend Amish has an old camera and he takes pictures I wish I could get. ( http://www.asphoto.ca/ ). Try and guess what old camera he takes these grat shots with. Now I could see Freddy or Jason Cole on here saying they want a new body and want to upgrade - "patiently waiting". I can see Lorek saying "that camera is not available here yet", or perhaps Denis Reggie saying "I'd like to retire my 200 F/1.8 and get that 200 F/2 asap" or even Bottom Bracket saying "That 1Ds Mk.III would be a nice upgrade for some detailed resolution".

But no. They take pictures and quietly work away producing better images.

It never ceases to amaze me how no one ever considers upgrading the processor behind the viewfinder. Or that when the Mk.X comes out the previous model is now junk or that a 2.5 year old camera is "outdated and needs upgrading".

I can spot with one eye the people that shot with film in their lifetime. What's amazing is that they are few and far between here. I rarely get this preachy but I'm going to say it -

Go take some damn pictures and stop complaining.
So, now do you feel better?:)

[Yohan Pamudji]

You'll get 5Dmk2 when they come out, soon or later. Why? Because it's not like you went out to get new cameras in lieu of 5Dmk2, but got computer stuff instead, which you purchased gotten after getting 5Dmk2, had it come out now. Also, two 5Dmk2 does not add up to "massive amount of money". Not like you bought two D3s instead of two 1DsMk3s! Canon made over $4B last year - I don't think they'll even blink for $6k - others are still buying. :)

So I guess the rolleyes smiley in my post wasn't enough to show tongue-in-cheekness. But seriously, Canon will cry themselves to sleep thinking of the $5000-$7000 they could've gotten from me. Just watch their stock price stumble as news of this massive loss hits the news wires.

You're probably right that they didn't lose the money though--just delayed until they release the 5DII :D Then again, I'd be waiting until at least next year, and who knows what my equipment budget will be like then? I might need a new computer. Or a new roof! There's just no telling what next year will look like, while this year there was money set aside for the express purpose of purchasing a couple of 5DII bodies. They lost almost surefire money this year (assuming the 5DII would've been awesome, which it might not have been).

[hitmanh]

It never ceases to amaze me how no one ever considers upgrading the processor behind the viewfinder.

I tried a DIY upgrade and all it gained me was a creepy twitch of the eye and an ability to out drool a 2 year old...

[nicksan]

Really?

Isn't that like when you wear too much cologne, you can't tell yourself that it stinks but others around you are suffocating? I'm just spit balling here...;-)



I can spot with one eye the people that shot with film in their lifetime. What's amazing is that they are few and far between here. I rarely get this preachy but I'm going to say it -

Go take some damn pictures and stop complaining.

[Trainboy]

I'm borderline frightened by some fo the comments here. Do some of you actually take pictures or just buy what is the latest fanboy drool generator?

I could go into the 5d is good, the 1D Mk.II is good, blah blah but many of you will just laugh and say it's/their old, canon doesn't want my business etc.

Meanwhile, there are people out there making $4000 per wedding with these old cameras, taking incredible images and making you guys look like well... cry babies. My friend Amish has an old camera and he takes pictures I wish I could get. ( http://www.asphoto.ca/ ). Try and guess what old camera he takes these grat shots with. Now I could see Freddy or Jason Cole on here saying they want a new body and want to upgrade - "patiently waiting". I can see Lorek saying "that camera is not available here yet", or perhaps Denis Reggie saying "I'd like to retire my 200 F/1.8 and get that 200 F/2 asap" or even Bottom Bracket saying "That 1Ds Mk.III would be a nice upgrade for some detailed resolution".

But no. They take pictures and quietly work away producing better images.

It never ceases to amaze me how no one ever considers upgrading the processor behind the viewfinder. Or that when the Mk.X comes out the previous model is now junk or that a 2.5 year old camera is "outdated and needs upgrading".

I can spot with one eye the people that shot with film in their lifetime. What's amazing is that they are few and far between here. I rarely get this preachy but I'm going to say it -

Go take some damn pictures and stop complaining.
You, sir, just won.
I'm somewhat on the fence here. I've used film for all but 11 months, but that also means my digital experience is considerably limited, so most of what I know about digital comes from this forum full of people that have a battle cry of "MLU! MLU!" or, translated, "MOAR!!"
I wants me the newest gadgets, but only because I haven't discovered how great the old ones are. I wonder how many people crying for a 5D Mk.II are in a similar situation?

[Yohan Pamudji]

I'm borderline frightened by some fo the comments here. Do some of you actually take pictures or just buy what is the latest fanboy drool generator?

I could go into the 5d is good, the 1D Mk.II is good, blah blah but many of you will just laugh and say it's/their old, canon doesn't want my business etc.

Meanwhile, there are people out there making $4000 per wedding with these old cameras, taking incredible images and making you guys look like well... cry babies. My friend Amish has an old camera and he takes pictures I wish I could get. ( http://www.asphoto.ca/ ). Try and guess what old camera he takes these grat shots with. Now I could see Freddy or Jason Cole on here saying they want a new body and want to upgrade - "patiently waiting". I can see Lorek saying "that camera is not available here yet", or perhaps Denis Reggie saying "I'd like to retire my 200 F/1.8 and get that 200 F/2 asap" or even Bottom Bracket saying "That 1Ds Mk.III would be a nice upgrade for some detailed resolution".

But no. They take pictures and quietly work away producing better images.

It never ceases to amaze me how no one ever considers upgrading the processor behind the viewfinder. Or that when the Mk.X comes out the previous model is now junk or that a 2.5 year old camera is "outdated and needs upgrading".

I can spot with one eye the people that shot with film in their lifetime. What's amazing is that they are few and far between here. I rarely get this preachy but I'm going to say it -

Go take some damn pictures and stop complaining.

Yes. We all should be identical robots who don't enjoy talking about equipment at all. It's a sin and an abomination to enjoy talking gear, because the most successful and famous photographers don't bother to come on POTN and talk gear with us. We must take their lead and abstain from any gear talk whatsoever.

And if you've never shot film, you're definitely no good. You have to have been "in the wars" messing with film to be a true photographer.

I propose a new acronym: GOAS (Go Out And Shoot). It's uttered so frequently and to such devastating effect; I figure we should save the GOAS brigade some time and give them a new Internet acronym they can use every time they say it.

cos, having picked the nits, I do agree that some of us are getting a bit carried away in this thread. It's not all doom and gloom, and current equipment isn't awful. I can't speak for others, but my desire for a 5DII stems from the desire for fullframe (surely a former film shooter can appreciate that) coupled with an unwillingness to accept the operational downgrade going from a 1DII to a 5D (AF, weather sealing, viewfinder coverage, etc.). The 1DII bodies I have will continue to serve me well, and they still bring a smile to my face every time I pick them up, but if I could design the perfect camera for my shooting habits it would include a fullframe sensor and detachable grip which immediately disqualifies the 1DII, and many of the other features of a 1DII which immediately disqualifies the 5D. I'm in equipment limbo, which doesn't mean I can't take photos, but it does mean I'll continue to pine for a camera that will finally satisfy most of my requirements reasonably well enough to keep me away from the upgrade rat race. Even when that day comes, I'll still enjoy talking gear--just not with the added edge of waiting for the "perfect" camera.

[I Simonius]

You, sir, just won.
I'm somewhat on the fence here. I've used film for all but 11 months, but that also means my digital experience is considerably limited, so most of what I know about digital comes from this forum full of people that have a battle cry of "MLU! MLU!" or, translated, "MOAR!!"
I wants me the newest gadgets, but only because I haven't discovered how great the old ones are. I wonder how many people crying for a 5D Mk.II are in a similar situation?

Dunno , a few I suspect, does it matter?

Me? I started with a Box Brownie ( no really) then got a Nikkormat which I had until it was stolen and then probably because it was a good deal got a Canon AE1-Program, then an A1, then got F1ns. I inherited a rollieflex which I used briefly and also briefly had a mamiya but MF never did it for me. I had my own B+W darkroom up until 1989. I used to shoot super 8 cine before that and later video of industrial machinery for corporate sales, advertising and trade and in house magasines and sales brochures and manuals. I also used to edit and splice the super8 and video myself and distribute to sales agent in the UK and abroad. I also directed large format shoots for advertising in the packaging industry.

Maybe I should have stuck with the box brownie and never thought twice about other cameras, but what the hell - i'm human. I got a Nikkormat. Was pretty atisified wit that until I decided I wanted a hassleblad, but as I couldn't afford one , got a mamiya. Also tried Bronica. Neither got the results I was looking for. They were OK for weddings and portraits but didn't get near AFIAWC for landscapes. I hated weddings anyway and preferred 35mmfor portraits, I know all the grown ups used MF but I found I could maintain a better rapport when using 35mm.Should have stuck with the box brownie? maybe.

Come the digital age I ventured forth with a powershot just to dip my toes in the water. Not bad. It was perhaps a good as the box brownie, but I no longer had that so the questiuon was moot. When the 20D came out I got one but really missed spot metering and got the 30D prety much on the strength of that. By Now the 5D had been out a while and FF had been calling, but it was expensive for the current state of my pocket. Th 1dsmk2 really finally had the IQ and resolution I was looking for but I wasn't going to lunk that brick around as I was no longer being payed to carry trunk loads of gear. The 5D I could manage wheight wise but OH the resolution wasn't quite there, OH for a 5D mk2!

But wait - what's this, I wasn't making many bucks from photography now how could I ever justify spending out on that? I couldn't , but did I need to?

Desire and aspiration is a funny thing isn't it? Just imagine - If ONly I had kept the Box Brownie and used nothing else just think how much money I could have saved! What a fool I've been!

I think I'll abandon this thread and trawl the second hand and antique shops, but Im not telling you lot what Im after - you'll all want one!;)
:p:p:p:p:p:p:p

[nyktrade]

Put me in this group too!!

I probably have enough equipments with me to move to a pro-business, but I have a regular, well-paying job that doesn't have anything to do with photography. I took courses at the NYI, read many-many books, have my own studio at home and my wife even convinced me to start a part time photography business. But still, my main motivation is for the FUN of it. So I know my 5D and 40D are excellent cameras, but if the 5D mark II is out there, I probably going to get that too. It's one way I can enjoy the life and feel like a 5 yr old getting their first bike.


You have to remember, most of the POTN members are NOT professionals make $ taking photos (recent poll showing only ~14% pro). So, a lot of equipment talk for most of us is really about "new toys", not "getting a better equipment so I can eat". I can see how that could seem pretty irritating for a lot of pros. Well, that's life.

Personally I pretty much shoot only my family, and the motivation behind wanting better equipment is 1) so that I can capture the moment in the best possible way possible, especially for children, and 2) so that I can play with new toys (yes there's a selfish motivation there).

Also just because you don't see their photos here, it doesn't mean they take crappy photos either. I don't post a lot of pictures here or elsewhere, not even on flickr/picasa, as they're photos of my family and they're private. I think you need to consider the possibility that may be some people have other things to do with their life than taking photos for living.

[mattograph]

If I spend $2000 on lessons or a new body, which would make me the better photographer?

[nyktrade]

In my opinion, only time, practice, and research can make you a better photographer. Equipment helps, but not critical


If I spend $2000 on lessons or a new body, which would make me the better photographer?

[I Simonius]

If I spend $2000 on lessons or a new body, which would make me the better photographer?

depends whether you use the body and whether the lessons are any good:p

[MrChad]

The best part about this thread is the obsession for a camera that doesn't exist...

..however, some truly believe it does and it being held back.

But we have went beyond needing new gear for fun to simply this obsession for new gear even when said new gear doesn't exist. That's what I love about this thread.

People are obsessed and complaining and holding off purchasing for a camera Canon has never even hinted at replacing. The internet is a wonderful place. :lol:

[JohnnyG]

The best part about this thread is the obsession for a camera that doesn't exist...

..however, some truly believe it does and it being held back.

But we have went beyond needing new gear for fun to simply this obsession for new gear even when said new gear doesn't exist. That's what I love about this thread.

People are obsessed and complaining and holding off purchasing for a camera Canon has never even hinted at replacing. The internet is a wonderful place. :lol:
and then you have people obsessing about people that are obsessed! What a world......;)

[mattograph]

At least the people at Canon probably get a chuckle out of all this.

[I Simonius]

At least the people at Canon probably get a chuckle out of all this.

His full name is probably "Chuckle Westfall"
;):D:D:D

[sm1rf]

This thread has gone crazy recently, i've contributed only once, i think, as i mainly just listen in to see if someone really does get the drop on this new phantom body. I'd love all the best kit in the world, and if i had the cash would buy it as soon as it was available. I haven't so I just window shop. It's still fun and that was what i liked about this thread. But i'm starting to lose interest as people are getting so agitated by others comments. Respect to the Pro's you know who you are....but just take a chill pill will you, we're just having a laugh!

[Meaty0]

I've just got a 5D and my first impressions are that it's a 20D with a bigger sensor, viewfinder and mirror (plus spot metering). Otherwise, features are very similar.

Would it be reasonable to assume then, that the 5D MkII will be a full frame version of the current 40D?

[I Simonius]

I've just got a 5D and my first impressions are that it's a 20D with a bigger sensor, viewfinder and mirror (plus spot metering). Otherwise, features are very similar.

Would it be reasonable to assume then, that the 5D MkII will be a full frame version of the current 40D?

why yayasss:D

However I do hope it has the 1Dsmk3 bracketing options!:D

[JohnnyG]

I've just got a 5D and my first impressions are that it's a 20D with a bigger sensor, viewfinder and mirror (plus spot metering). Otherwise, features are very similar.

Would it be reasonable to assume then, that the 5D MkII will be a full frame version of the current 40D?
I would hope so, as much as I love my 40D!

I would love to see a 5D MK II with 16 megapixels, 6400 iso, and same basic features as my 40D. I would be all over it in a New York Second!;)

I've had the money for a month for one but I'm afraid now it will be gone by the time the new one comes out. I tried to buy a used one but never found one at the price/condition I'm looking for, whatever that is, but I'm sure I'll know it when I see it!:D

Now I'm hearing August for the new one if we're lucky.:cry:

[Meaty0]

why yayasss:D

However I do hope it has the 1Dsmk3 bracketing options!:D

Well it would be interesting to see how Canon goes about fitting a bigger sensor, viewfinder and mirror box into an "already stuffed full" 40D body. It would have to be deeper to allow for the mirror to swing up and down and that's going to make it HUGE! Hmmm....maybe that's the hold-up.

[Meaty0]

On a happy note....I like the 5D....even if it is a bit outmoded. The IQ is fantastic.

[I Simonius]

Well it would be interesting to see how Canon goes about fitting a bigger sensor, viewfinder and mirror box into an "already stuffed full" 40D body. It would have to be deeper to allow for the mirror to swing up and down and that's going to make it HUGE! Hmmm....maybe that's the hold-up.

Bigger sensor than 24x36, hadn't tought of that;):p

Now if they go for a bigger VF boy will I be hooked ( like im not already and it isn't even released yet :lol: (sorry Cozzers:lol::p)

[DozerLYP]

they won't use the 40D body for that new 5D. when the 5D first came out, it was and still is bigger then the x0D bodies.

I've been saving for that new 5D, I can't wait for the official announcement...

[I Simonius]

they won't use the 40D body for that new 5D. when the 5D first came out, it was and still is bigger then the x0D bodies.

I thought the original comment on tat was a joke - everyone seesm to be taking it seriously.....:eek:

[mattograph]

Here is the question that immediately screams "Im a Noob!"

Who is Chuck Westfall?

[Meaty0]

they won't use the 40D body for that new 5D. when the 5D first came out, it was and still is bigger then the x0D bodies.

I've been saving for that new 5D, I can't wait for the official announcement...


Yeah...what I meant was that if they BASE it on a 40D body...but enlarged to fit a bigger mirror box, viewfinder and sensor, then it's going to be so huge and heavy, you'd have to be Arnie Swarzenneger to hold it.

[I Simonius]

Here is the question that immediately screams "Im a Noob!"

Who is Chuck Westfall?

He is the Human face of Canon:D

[Meaty0]

Yeah...what I meant was that if they BASE it on a 40D body...but enlarged to fit a bigger mirror box, viewfinder and sensor, then it's going to be so huge and heavy, you'd have to be Arnie Swarzenneger to hold it.

Maybe they're worried it'll be soooo good that it will steal sales from the 1d MkIII and 1Ds MkIII.

[mattograph]

He is the Human face of Canon:D

Ah, I see.

Many things I have read make much more sense.......

[I Simonius]

I hope thatwhen they do make the 16.7 (or so) MP mk2 5D that they do something highly technical and groovy to the photosites that the 1Dsmk2 didn't have so it is even better than the 1Dsmk2 in terms of DR and so that it just shows Noink how to jolly well do a thing properly.;)

More tea Vicar?:lol:

[I Simonius]

YES yes yes! ha ha and ho ho ho!

we have finally officially got more replies and posts than any other thread in tis section and thatin cludes the merged thread - hoorah goal attained:lol:

:lol: what fun!

( this was my fiendish plan all along - I don't really care two hoots about the next 5D , muahahah)
:lol::lol::lol:

[Trainboy]

Congrats? I think...?

[zeva]

so is the release in spring? :)

[Trainboy]

I thought we decided on fall?:p

[I Simonius]

Congrats? I think...?

An unparralled achievement I tink you'll agree, ona par with eating more eggs than anyone else, or gettign a prize for the loudest recorded flatulence. Not to be sniffed at!:D

so is the release in spring? :)

yes release the spring. Once you release it it is sprung.

I thought we decided on fall?:p

You're right we decoded falling is better than springing, although release is good anytime;)

[Trainboy]

In that case, I'm holding a mattress under Canon! Don't want to jar anything out of place on the MkII!

[I Simonius]

wouldn't it be nice to dream?:
apart from the usual 14bit etc, :

- extra large VF
- 7 stop AEB
- 16-18MP but more than just the identical sensor to the 1Dsmk2, a "5D' version - i.e. more DR



:D;)

[jsimon724]

And bring back ECF!! :D

[I Simonius]

And bring back ECF!! :D

what is? E..?C...?F...?

probably obvious biut its late and brain wants sleep

[Tom W]

ECF + eye control focus.

Never had it myself, but some really like it. My suspicion is that although it was a good tool on film, it wouldn't stand the scrutiny of the 100% crop. Or, maybe Canon's just holding that card for later.

[I Simonius]

ECF + eye control focus.

Never had it myself, but some really like it. My suspicion is that although it was a good tool on film, it wouldn't stand the scrutiny of the 100% crop. Or, maybe Canon's just holding that card for later.


aaagh! NO - hate the idea! ptui ptui - yach!

[MrChad]

ECF + eye control focus.

Never had it myself, but some really like it. My suspicion is that although it was a good tool on film, it wouldn't stand the scrutiny of the 100% crop. Or, maybe Canon's just holding that card for later.

I have used it both my Elan 7e and a buddies Eos 3. If you wear glasses it can be an issue at times. Sometimes it picks a nearest point and not the exact point you need, more so on the Eos 3 45pt AF then on the Elan's 7pt system.

I works well and is a fun tool, but with the rocker control stick on the 20/30/40D line I don't find it nearly as needed for quickly selecting a point in the 9pt system.

It might prove more useful on the 45pt systems but I also wager the current gen of 45pt systems may be even smarter today thus making the ECF even less needed again.

[Nortelbert]

I'd just be happy if it allowed for autofocus when a 100-400 lens is used with a 1.4 extender

[yonni]

It's gonna be a while.

From a Canon Rep (posted at dpr by jack kurtz): I had a chance to talk to a Canon rep about the 5D replacement. He told me it will be a while before it's released. Absolutely no idea what "a while" means. I said that at this point I would like to see an incremental upgrade with sensor cleaning, 14 bit and live view but I didn't need more megapixels (let's face it, the 5D still has the best image quality of any digital camera). Basically I was looking for feature set parity with the Rebel series. He said that Canon wasn't looking for an incremental upgrade to the 5D, they were looking to set a new standard with the 5D replacement. He wouldn't say any more than that. Except that if you're in the market for a 5D now buy it now cause nothing is happening for "a while."


Hahaha. Looks like Canon wants to really kick some ass.

[Chandler.]

It's gonna be a while.

From a Canon Rep (posted at dpr by jack kurtz): I had a chance to talk to a Canon rep about the 5D replacement. He told me it will be a while before it's released. Absolutely no idea what "a while" means. I said that at this point I would like to see an incremental upgrade with sensor cleaning, 14 bit and live view but I didn't need more megapixels (let's face it, the 5D still has the best image quality of any digital camera). Basically I was looking for feature set parity with the Rebel series. He said that Canon wasn't looking for an incremental upgrade to the 5D, they were looking to set a new standard with the 5D replacement. He wouldn't say any more than that. Except that if you're in the market for a 5D now buy it now cause nothing is happening for "a while."


Hahaha. Looks like Canon wants to really kick some ass.

Cool. This thread will be going for quite a while.

[I Simonius]

It's gonna be a while.

From a Canon Rep (posted at dpr by jack kurtz): I had a chance to talk to a Canon rep about the 5D replacement. He told me it will be a while before it's released. Absolutely no idea what "a while" means. I said that at this point I would like to see an incremental upgrade with sensor cleaning, 14 bit and live view but I didn't need more megapixels (let's face it, the 5D still has the best image quality of any digital camera). Basically I was looking for feature set parity with the Rebel series. He said that Canon wasn't looking for an incremental upgrade to the 5D, they were looking to set a new standard with the 5D replacement. He wouldn't say any more than that. Except that if you're in the market for a 5D now buy it now cause nothing is happening for "a while."


Hahaha. Looks like Canon wants to really kick some ass.

that sounds more like it!

THOSE R&D GUYS - I BET THEY HAVE SOMETHING GOOD UPTHEIR SLEEVES!
(ops caps lok)

I bet it's something like but not the same as the foveon chip, but I bet they've found some way to get each individual pixel to do RGB without compromising resolution;-)

[Tom W]

I'd just be happy if it allowed for autofocus when a 100-400 lens is used with a 1.4 extender

that's the one feature I miss from my 1D Mk II!

[Yohan Pamudji]

It's gonna be a while.

From a Canon Rep (posted at dpr by jack kurtz): I had a chance to talk to a Canon rep about the 5D replacement. He told me it will be a while before it's released. Absolutely no idea what "a while" means. I said that at this point I would like to see an incremental upgrade with sensor cleaning, 14 bit and live view but I didn't need more megapixels (let's face it, the 5D still has the best image quality of any digital camera). Basically I was looking for feature set parity with the Rebel series. He said that Canon wasn't looking for an incremental upgrade to the 5D, they were looking to set a new standard with the 5D replacement. He wouldn't say any more than that. Except that if you're in the market for a 5D now buy it now cause nothing is happening for "a while."


Hahaha. Looks like Canon wants to really kick some ass.

That's what I like to hear. No 40D-with-a-FF-sensor this go around. If it's true, anyway. How high are they trying to set this "new standard"? Will we see a Canon camera with D300 features (pro AF, 100% viewfinder, weather sealing, detachable grip) and a FF sensor? Oh, if only. I don't even dare hope. The camera to end all camera lust? That would do it for me.

[Rumjungle]

How high are they trying to set this "new standard"?
Sounds like it's gonna be about $3500 high.;)

[Yohan Pamudji]

Sounds like it's gonna be about $3500 high.;)

I think lots would jump at that price for the specs I mentioned. I would, assuming I'm not still broke by then :) Shoot, people were paying almost that much for the 5D when it came out. Heck ya, I'd take a pro-spec FF camera for $3500--2, even.

[say_cheese]

I believe this is the upcoming new 5D MkII
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[xiskool]

I believe this is the upcoming new 5D MkII


If I had a dollar for everytime someone has posted this picture here I could probably afford it.. : )

[Chandler.]

If I had a dollar for everytime someone has posted this picture here I could probably afford it.. : )

+1.

[Ephemeral]

If I had a dollar for everytime someone has posted this picture here I could probably afford it.. : )

What he said. ¬_¬

[I Simonius]

I believe this is the upcoming new 5D MkII
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OH no not again!:evil::rolleyes:

+2

[mattograph]

I still enjoy it. Yet no one has yet told me where the microwave door is. A side view might be helpful, as I was told this camera is fully hot pocket compatible.

[Chiva]

I believe this is the upcoming new 5D MkII


its missing an espresso machine, and a toaster.

[John_TX]

Don't forget the automatic lens cleaner and finger warmers built into the grip.

[Trainboy]

Someone needs to make a new picture, they're obviously not going to use such a small LCD!

[mattograph]

Why is the battery dead, btw? You think with the cold fusion power source, it could hold a charge......

[darktiger]

It's gonna be a while.

From a Canon Rep (posted at dpr by jack kurtz): I had a chance to talk to a Canon rep about the 5D replacement. He told me it will be a while before it's released. Absolutely no idea what "a while" means. I said that at this point I would like to see an incremental upgrade with sensor cleaning, 14 bit and live view but I didn't need more megapixels (let's face it, the 5D still has the best image quality of any digital camera). Basically I was looking for feature set parity with the Rebel series. He said that Canon wasn't looking for an incremental upgrade to the 5D, they were looking to set a new standard with the 5D replacement. He wouldn't say any more than that. Except that if you're in the market for a 5D now buy it now cause nothing is happening for "a while."


Hahaha. Looks like Canon wants to really kick some ass.

How long is "a while", this fall, next spring??????

[yonni]

How long is "a while", this fall, next spring??????

What, you expected the Canon rep to give you a date?:)

[JohnnyG]

How long is "a while", this fall, next spring??????
I heard, from an official source, that it was going to be before fall, 2010, probably!:lol::lol::lol:

[Dragos Jianu]

2010 sounds like a good deal. That way , if the old 5Ds break till then they can sell two of them to the same photographer for double the profit. Plus, that Plus, that Rebel KissASS was the same resolution so you don't have to worry about it.


Just kidding btw.

[I Simonius]

How long is "a while", this fall, next spring??????

a while is 'quite long' or 'very long' or 'not long at all' entirely dependant on your personal perception of time. ;)

AS Einstein made clear to us , time is relative, but relatives are rarely on time. This illustrates the point perfectly.:p

Therefore the duration of 'a while' is entirely up to you... i.e. you decide!:lol:

[BrantG]

For me, I want to get a FF camera, and the 5D is the only "affordable" solution at the moment. However, there is nothing wrong with me wanting to at least know what the replacement may offer before making a decision.

However the problem with waiting is you could wait forever before making a purchase.

[TitusvilleSurfer]

It matters to Canon, they want you to buy the 5D now, not wait for a 5Dmk2 that you know is comming on the scene in 2 months. I don't blame them a bit for keeping quiet, and honestly don't expect to see a new 5D for a long time. They have no reason to replace a unit which still beats any other manufacturer in its category. That would be silly buisness, and opening the door to be bested by Nikon.

[Medic1]

Just came from the local photography store....I was told that they had been led to believe that there would be some kind of disclosure from Canon regarding the 5D this year sometime......but they were quick to say that they were also told that an announcement regarding the 5D will not necessarily mean a new/replacement body this year

[I Simonius]

Just came from the local photography store....I was told that they had been led to believe that there would be some kind of disclosure from Canon regarding the 5D this year sometime......but they were quick to say that they were also told that an announcement regarding the 5D will not necessarily mean a new/replacement body this year

ah thanks, that really clears that up then;)
:rolleyes:

[Medic1]

ah thanks, that really clears that up then;)
:rolleyes:

I know its about as clear as mud, but i got the impression that I was being told not to expect a successor to the 5D before 2009.

Just trying to get all the info out there.....double talk or not...lol

[I Simonius]

I know its about as clear as mud, but i got the impression that I was being told not to expect a successor to the 5D before 2009.

Just trying to get all the info out there.....double talk or not...lol
2009?

waaagh - depressing - OHman I can\t wait that long .. my life is on hold.. !
(oh- damn- I'm over acting again:rolleyes:)
:lol:

[gpx4]

Before then (November 2008 or April 2009) a new D3 will be in my hands. Prices for the D3 is down below $4,800 already. And from what i have seen what it can do first hand, it is a very tempting model to consider even at that price tag.

[I Simonius]

Before then (November 2008 or April 2009) a new D3 will be in my hands. Prices for the D3 is down below $4,800 already. And from what i have seen what it can do first hand, it is a very tempting model to consider even at that price tag.

Changing to a D3 wouldn't make a jot of difference to the actual results I get so it's of no interest to me at all, nichts, nada, nil, nuffin, norrabit;):p

[gpx4]

I have just been through that "denial stage".

I used to think like you though.:):oops::oops::oops:

PS: Even with my new $1600 D300, i am now a Weather Sealed Photographer.

Changing to a D3 wouldn't make a jot of difference to the actual results I get so it's of no interest to me at all, nichts, nada, nil, nuffin, norrabit;):p

[I Simonius]

I have just been through that "denial stage".
Even with my new $1600 D300, i am now a Weather Sealed Photographer
.

:lol:OH my aching sides!:lol:
:rolleyes::p

[spudson]

Someone needs to make a new picture, they're obviously not going to use such a small LCD!

Its a 4'' LCD, but the camera is going to be quite big :)

I was 'hoping' Canon would bring out a new 5d so the old one would be cheaper, so I could buy one. As it is I couldn't afford one anyway, so I'll wait on the new one coming out.

So I can buy an old one...

David

[bbbig]

Its a 4'' LCD, but the camera is going to be quite big :)

Forget 4" - it will have a 6" touchscreen OLED screen, with iPhone-like navigation! (yeah, wouldn't it be really cool to flip pictures with flicker finger motions?) Someday! :)

[I Simonius]

Forget 4" - it will have a 6" touchscreen OLED screen, with iPhone-like navigation! (yeah, wouldn't it be really cool to flip pictures with flicker finger motions?) Someday! :)

hey why not?
I like that idea!:D

[narlus]

it's been a while since i looked @ this (probably not since Jan 24th), and i broke down and bought a used 5D...took delivery of it a week ago, and i love it.

i suggest others look at this strategy. :D

[BrantG]

Does anyone think the new model will use the same 511 batteries? I was hoping so since I could use my 40D batteries in it.

[I Simonius]

Does anyone think the new model will use the same 511 batteries? I was hoping so since I could use my 40D batteries in it.

No idea but the old one does - why not follow 'narlus's philosophy and get one now?;)

[JohnnyG]

No idea but the old one does - why not follow 'narlus's philosophy and get one now?;)
I would love to get a 5D but my thoughts are:
a. I can't find the right price point: condition/price to suit me
b. If I buy new, then the gamble is when the new one comes out, just how much will it depress the current one's used price. I don't want to lose a huge amount. If the new one comes out for around the price of a new one now, that will tank the old one's price. If the new one comes out for let's say around $3000.00 then the used price of the old one won't be hurt too bad. So, it's basically a gamble to buy new now.

Unless of course one buys now and says the heck with the new one. The current one is too good to worry about the new one. But, I tend to always want the latest and that's just the way I am I guess. I love new!!!

Bottom line: I think the 5D is one of the finest cameras ever made and I would love to have one!

[Blue S2]

The new one will probably be priced just as the 5D was when new...around $3000. Also, the 5D will not just "tank" in price. I doubt you will see it below $1600 for a long time. A good tool is still a good tool, its not just "another electronic." Check the price of medium format gear or rangefinders, I wish their prices would go down...and its been 20 years sometimes!

Despite being digital, the 5D is at a quality level that won't be just "outdated." It still creates fantastic work and can be used at a pro level. So say you spend 1800 on a 5D now...if you sell it, even at a loss, say 1500...and then put in another 1500 to upgrade a year or two later, thats not so bad if you are game in that price level anyways.

I would trade a 40D in a heart beat for a 5D.

[JohnnyG]

The new one will probably be priced just as the 5D was when new...around $3000. Also, the 5D will not just "tank" in price. I doubt you will see it below $1600 for a long time. A good tool is still a good tool, its not just "another electronic." Check the price of medium format gear or rangefinders, I wish their prices would go down...and its been 20 years sometimes!

Despite being digital, the 5D is at a quality level that won't be just "outdated." It still creates fantastic work and can be used at a pro level. So say you spend 1800 on a 5D now...if you sell it, even at a loss, say 1500...and then put in another 1500 to upgrade a year or two later, thats not so bad if you are game in that price level anyways.

I would trade a 40D in a heart beat for a 5D.
I wouldn't trade my 40D, I would add the 5D. I still want a crop camera for telephoto but thanks for what you said. It makes a lot of sense. Like I said, I just can't seem to find a price/point for a 5D that satisfies me. But, I'll keep looking! I sure want a 5D to put my 50mm 1.4 and 24-105 on!

[lowcrust]

Does anyone think the new model will use the same 511 batteries? I was hoping so since I could use my 40D batteries in it.

I think Canon will update all their old batteries in the new models this year.

I doubt you will see it below $1600 for a long time.

Am I reading you wrong or can you get a 5D for that price now? Amazon got it listed at 2000 if I remember correctly.

[JohnnyG]

Am I reading you wrong or can you get a 5D for that price now? Amazon got it listed at 2000 if I remember correctly.

Amazon is currently listing it at $2100 so no on anything lower anywhere, at least from reputable dealers. There are crooks listing it for much lower but of course you'll never get one at those prices.

[lowcrust]

Ah, I thought that sounded too good to be true. For 1600 I would probably break down and buy it. Not saying it's not worth more than that, it's just I lack the funds to get it. I don't even own the 70-200 2.8 IS yet! =)

[Blue S2]

2100 or so new, but you can find a very nice used one for 1600 and up. A fantastic IR-only 5D went on ebay for 1700. I was tempted to buy it.

You can get them for 1600, you just need to keep an eye out for a very nice used one. I realistically don't ever see the 5D falling below $1200. It may be "old tech"...but until something that changes the industry comes along, its still one of the best 35mm cameras you can buy today period. Short of a $25,000 medium format digital back, its the only camera even close in terms of pixel dimension and smoothness.

Having used other digital Cameras, there is a difference in quality. Pixel peeping may say one thing, but daily and pro use say another. I am continually pleased with its ability for white balance and color rendition. You won't be disappointed.

[BrantG]

No idea but the old one does - why not follow 'narlus's philosophy and get one now?;)
I haven't found a used one at the right price yet. And 2k new is a bit steep considering the age.