How many shutter cycles is high? and yours is??

[PEACHMAN]

How many shutter cycles is concidered high, as on the way to shutter replacement, or should you be worried abouty the value of the camera...Mine is a 300D and are all shutters equal in longevity ?? (Mine is around 7000) Reason for asking is I looking into a used 20D and don't want to be replacing it to soon..

Sorry moderators, posted this in the wrong forum...could you move it to EOS camera forum?

[Bodog]

The shutter on my 300d just died at around 11,700.

[Double Negative]

Depends on the camera model. For example, the 1Dxx series is rated anywhere from 150,000 to 200,000 actuations. On the lower-end, I believe they're rated for 60,000 to 80,000 (I might be off here). In any event, 7,000 is nothing to worry about.

[In2Photos]

The shutter on my 300d just died at around 11,700.

I am almost half way there in only 5 months. This thing better not die after a year.:evil:

[calicokat]

I hear 30,000 for the 300D/350D and 50,000 for the 20D. 100,000 for the 30D/5D and 200,000 for the 1DMII/1DMIIN/1DsMII

[ed rader]

How many shutter cycles is concidered high, as on the way to shutter replacement, or should you be worried abouty the value of the camera...Mine is a 300D and are all shutters equal in longevity ?? (Mine is around 7000) Reason for asking is I looking into a used 20D and don't want to be replacing it to soon..

Sorry moderators, posted this in the wrong forum...could you move it to EOS camera forum?

i bought my 20d two months ago and i have almost 6k actuations. going up to the city today so i may very well have 6k before the day is done :D .

the 20d is good for 100k actuations so i figure i'm good for between 50-150k shots. i would think the 300d is good for a minimum of 50k actuations.

sounds like you are in pre-upgrade mode, eh ;) ?

ed rader

[Jon]

MTBF for the 1 series has been reported as around 200-250K; for the 20D and successors (also 5D, ISTR) around 100K. 50K for earlier ones, but ISTR the 300D had lower MTBF than that. Note - MTBF is just that - a mean time between failures. YMMV.

[Tut]

I believe Canon rates the 20D at 50,000 cycles and the 30D at 100,000 cycles.

[calgaryphotographer]

my 300D has 14000 or so, still going strong. :D Will let it die next year and buy a 1-Series :D

[PEACHMAN]

Well, thats good news folks, thanks for the responses....Ya I'm in the upgrade mode alright... I'm really happy with the 300d, but have found myself wanting in a couple of the features of the 20D on occasion...I had decided to wait to go kigher, as in the 5D quite a bit later, But an almost brand new 20D with a battery pack/grip and 550ex flash has become available to me for not alot more than I can get for the 300D...and I need the second flash for some upcoming work........I'll look at the camera this weekend and decide if I really, really want to part with my small reserve of cash....!!

[arnold12]

Is there a counter on the 300D for the number of times the shutter has been used or are you just estimating? I never had a problem with the shutter on a film camera.

[kevin_c]

..... I never had a problem with the shutter on a film camera.

Thats because most people with a digital SLR's use them like machine guns :D - Film always cost money to buy and process etc. digital is free (except for the higher initial cost of course), therefore more 'wear-and-tear' on the poor old shutter.
I'm only on about 4000 on my year old 20D, a fairly 'low mileage' it seems from some of the people on this forum...

[SoaringUSAEagle]

Just hit a measely 1,100 with my 350D after just a couple months. Not to worried about it lol.

[Dave240]

I have about 33,000 on my 10D. Hopefully it will hold out for a while yet. Is the shutter usually the first thing to go, or are these estimated numbers when the camera starts to experience a range of problems from wear and tear?

When the shutter goes, is it worth repairing?

[Acc]

My 300D is on 24,000 , and going ...


Alb

[emidyl]

my 20d has 5500 or so since the beginning of Dec.

[Connor Hughes]

I just broke 10,000 yesterday, I've only had my 20D since christmas

[PEACHMAN]

Wow...Have you folks ever considered how much it would cost you for your numbers of clicks had these been film cameras?? Let's say we had 15,000 shots taken on rolls of film of 24 shots/roll....that would be 650 rolls of film....and if we were to develop them at a semi cheep place at say $6/roll, including the cost of the film, we are looking at $3750 ....makes those high end CF cards rather affordable, aye?

[Double Negative]

I was just thinking the same thing yesterday when I broke in a new 4GB card by shooting 321 pictures in about a half hour - many at 8.5fps. :D

Cost of film, storing said film, dealing with it and finally processing/printing it - I don't know that I really miss any of it. Having "unlimited" shots at whatever ISO floats my boat at the moment is a great thing.

[Dunnomuch]

My used classic 1D had an estimated 75,000 shutter actuations when I bought it. I'd round it off to 80,000 for good measure. It's still just fine *knock on wood*.

Shutters aren't that expensive to change IMO. I tend to worry more about the sensor and the main board in the body.

More random OT statistics... I bought my classic 1D from a professional wedding photographer, who in turn bought it from another professional photographer. Assuming each photographer had only a 50% keeper rate, and each photographer sold their photos for a measly USD$5 each, this 1D of mine probably generated $75,000! I just wish I could make money off this thing.. LOL

[Double Negative]

That's the beauty of digital - other than the shutter, there's no moving parts. Shutters are relatively cheap to replace... So as long as you can stand having a "mere" 6-8 megapixels in ten years you still have one helluva camera.

Then again, I don't see myself hitting 200,000 exposures ANY time soon. :D

[Jon]

I believe Canon rates the 20D at 50,000 cycles and the 30D at 100,000 cycles.At the time the 20D first came out, Canon was touting increased shutter life, and the 100K number was floating around. Wording was similar to what they're using now on the 30D's shutter.

[Longwatcher]

For the ones nervous about their camera's being useless when the shutter goes:

Given that we seem to finally be hitting the physics limits for practical pixels on a sensor. If you have at least 6MP on a DSLR then the following should apply.

If your shutter goes within 5 years, replace the shutter and keep the camera. The odds are you are just shooting more then average and of course the shutter is going to go out well before other components.

If your shutter goes out after 5 years to 10 years then it depends on how rough you have been on the camera.

And if it goes out after 10 years then maybe you might consider replacing the camera instead of just the shutter.

This applies to digital as well as film.

Other factors of course are cost to repair, availability of spare parts and is the cost of a new camera versus what it does in relationship to the old one mean that you probably need to upgrade anyway.

Just my opinion and research,

[lakiluno]

lol...I've taken 6387 on my A75 in a year and 3 months ish- whats the "shutter" life of that (It does actually have a shutter, but it only closes at the end of an exposure or when you have the LCD preview turned off...

To find out the shutter life, providing you've owned the camera from new and have never reset the file name counter, then just take a look at the latest photo's file name. The filename, however, resets at 10,000 (except on the 30D), so you need to know how many times its reset.

The 1 series have the shutter actuations hidden in the exif.


leo

[PEACHMAN]

lol...I've taken 6387 on my A75 in a year and 3 months ish- whats the "shutter" life of that (It does actually have a shutter, but it only closes at the end of an exposure or when you have the LCD preview turned off...

To find out the shutter life, providing you've owned the camera from new and have never reset the file name counter, then just take a look at the latest photo's file name. The filename, however, resets at 10,000 (except on the 30D), so you need to know how many times its reset.

The 1 series have the shutter actuations hidden in the exif.ielWell, that's all handy to know, ....so to make some one think my camera is new all I would need to do is sit and watch TV and click my shutter about 3000 times , bringing it around to 0074 (assuming I have 7074 on it now !!);) :rolleyes: So there is really no way to tell what the real relitive use age of the camera is!! Huh...I would have thought the canon folks would have been more clever than that!

[Jon]

Well, that's all handy to know, ....so to make some one think my camera is new all I would need to do is sit and watch TV and click my shutter about 3000 times , bringing it around to 0074 (assuming I have 7074 on it now !!);) :rolleyes: So there is really no way to tell what the real relitive use age of the camera is!! Huh...I would have thought the canon folks would have been more clever than that!It's easier than that. Just pull the batteries and it'll reset everything.

[OceanView]

I think you will want to upgrade to a newer camera before the shutter goes out.
I will be lucky if I can even use my camera to half the expected shutter life before I replace it.

[PacAce]

The 20D is rated at twice that of the 10D and I read someplace that the 10D was "unofficially" rated at 50K. So, that would make the 20D rated at 100k which is in line with the 30D which is officially rated at 100k and has the same shutter mechanism as the 20D.

[Double Negative]

To find out the shutter life, providing you've owned the camera from new and have never reset the file name counter, then just take a look at the latest photo's file name.
Assuming they've only ever used one CF card in the camera... Otherwise, it's an arbitrary number.

[MDJAK]

Wow...Have you folks ever considered how much it would cost you for your numbers of clicks had these been film cameras?? Let's say we had 15,000 shots taken on rolls of film of 24 shots/roll....that would be 650 rolls of film....and if we were to develop them at a semi cheep place at say $6/roll, including the cost of the film, we are looking at $3750 ....makes those high end CF cards rather affordable, aye?


I'm certainly not advocating that film is cheaper. But there was an article written in a photo mag within the past year or so that, when taking into consideration the cost of a computer, its somewhat frequent replacement and/or upgrading, costs of monitors, hard drives, electricity, etc., according to that article it wasn't exactly the money saver you'd think.

I guess if you shoot many, many shots, it obviously is. However, with the large file size of my camera and others, a rudimentary computer with a small amount of RAM just won't cut it. Also figure that PS cost approx $600, the upgrades necessary.

I have my camera slightly over a year now, don't shoot professionally, and rarely fire off multiple frames. I believe I'm up to about 8,000 shots; low by comparison.

mark

[PEACHMAN]

Assuming they've only ever used one CF card in the camera... Otherwise, it's an arbitrary number.I'm not sure what you mean here...I use 6 different cards and they keep up the # sequence from the camera..no matter which card I'm using......??

[Michaelmjc]

My XT just passed the 100 000 mark, and still goin strong.

[Double Negative]

You're right - I'm thinking multiple bodies as well.

I guess my main point was that the file number isn't as accurate as one might think, necessarily.

[PEACHMAN]

I am almost half way there in only 5 months. This thing better not die after a year.:evil: Sooooo. What have you had to do and what were the associated costs, if I might ask ??

[adas]

The 20D is rated at twice that of the 10D and I read someplace that the 10D was "unofficially" rated at 50K. So, that would make the 20D rated at 100k which is in line with the 30D which is officially rated at 100k and has the same shutter mechanism as the 20D.

If it was the same shutter, why is then the 30D quiter?
Reading the net, I saw lots of complains regarding the 20D's shutter noise, and how a head turner it is. I was considering buying one to replace my XT (cca. 3500 actuations), but now i'll might look for the 30D (even if it will suck dry my pockets for now, LoL).
Judging on the stealth sound the XT shutter makes, one could live with the impression it could last 100k or more, making the "divorce" even more difficult. But then, I'm pineing for the features...

[Tut]

The 20D and 30D do not have the same shutter mechanism. If you go to Canon's website and look at the specs for the two cameras it shows the 30D is rated at 100,000 actuations, but does not show any specs for the 20D actuations. Seems to me if the 20D were rated at 100,000 (same as the 30D) then Canon would have been touting it. Just my reading of what Canon is showing.

[pup]

I took 1150 shots in 3 days this past weekend on my 30D

On a sort of related note,
I have about 6000 shots on my 2 year old S500
Shutter gets stuck sometimes, doesnt engage properly
But completely usable for a p&s

[DocFrankenstein]

I'm at around 12 to 15K right now

[MichelleK]

I just reached 10K on my 300D and I have had it for 14 months. I machine gun shoot. I only have about 30 pictures on my 30D.

Michelle K

[Livinthalife]

almost 3k on my 350D. i BETTER NOT get problem!

[DocFrankenstein]

Wow...Have you folks ever considered how much it would cost you for your numbers of clicks had these been film cameras?? Let's say we had 15,000 shots taken on rolls of film of 24 shots/roll....that would be 650 rolls of film....and if we were to develop them at a semi cheep place at say $6/roll, including the cost of the film, we are looking at $3750 ....makes those high end CF cards rather affordable, aye?
So we'd spend 4 grand on film, aye?

Not let me think for a moment here:
I've upgraded my computer for RAW files - 1000
A montor - 500
CF cards - 400
Batteries 40
Grip 50$ more expensive
The digital body cost me a good 1100 more than the film body
RAIDed harddrives - 250
The extra for AF in my lenses which I don't really need - 500

That's about the same four grand. Can be even more.

Now, considering that with film I'll be shooting much less... I'm starting to wonder what is more expensive.

[sharky]

Sorry about posting this again but it seemed appropriate. I was getting the "how long will my 10D last" jitters when I came across this sports shooter thread:

http://www.sportsshooter.com/message_display.html?tid=10595

Most of the guys were getting 60-75k without failure, one failed after 180k. Made me think my 11k rates as barely broken in.

[JDrex05]

If it was the same shutter, why is then the 30D quiter?
Reading the net, I saw lots of complains regarding the 20D's shutter noise, and how a head turner it is. I was considering buying one to replace my XT (cca. 3500 actuations), but now i'll might look for the 30D (even if it will suck dry my pockets for now, LoL).
Judging on the stealth sound the XT shutter makes, one could live with the impression it could last 100k or more, making the "divorce" even more difficult. But then, I'm pineing for the features...
What you are hearing that makes alot of noise is not the Shutter, it is actually the mirror.

[MichelleK]

I dont really think the 30D is quiet.

Michelle K

[Titus213]

I've seen numbers under $200 for shutter replacement. That makes it quite inexpensive in my book. Not that I have $100 bills lying around.

[jbkalla]

My shutter count is zero. I just buy photographic equipment; I don't actually use it...

Just kidding! :-)

[dng]

just wondering is there any way to find out the shutter count on a 20D without having to rely on the file number generated on the pics?

[calicokat]

I'm not sure what you mean here...I use 6 different cards and they keep up the # sequence from the camera..no matter which card I'm using......??

Or format any new card that goes into the camera, that way everything is kosher

[PEACHMAN]

So we'd spend 4 grand on film, aye?

Not let me think for a moment here:
I've upgraded my computer for RAW files - 1000
A montor - 500
CF cards - 400
Batteries 40
Grip 50$ more expensive
The digital body cost me a good 1100 more than the film body
RAIDed harddrives - 250
The extra for AF in my lenses which I don't really need - 500

That's about the same four grand. Can be even more.

Now, considering that with film I'll be shooting much less... I'm starting to wonder what is more expensive.Sorry, not a fair comparison...in todays photo world the computer is part of the process even with film as well as an unmentioned scanner...many extras like raided hard drives ,grips etc are extras that we can still do without if necessary..."that's my story and I'm sticking to it !";):D:p....I don't know about you but I'm going to be buying the "toys" 'til my money runs out and buying film would really put a crimp in my toy flow!! You know, film is just such a use it once thing...

[Nilsen]

how do u know the numbers above 9999 ?
the counter tne starts at 0001 ?

[Jon]

how do u know the numbers above 9999 ?
the counter tne starts at 0001 ?The folder number changes. The frame numbering works:
At 100 files/folder (D30, D60, 10D, 300D, 20D, 350D for sure) the file number is the last 2 of the folder plus the file number (001-100), so folder 147CANON holds files IMG_4701-IMG_4800. Folder 247 will hold files of the same names, but you'll note that it's folder 247CANON, so add 10,000 to your overall file number. Same thing with 347CANON and so on. I rename my files to hold the folder number and file number (147-4765_20D) in the file name on download.
At 9999 files/folder (5D, 1D-types, 30D?), the file number is the frame number; when you move to the next folder, add 10K to the last file number. If you create and move between your own folders, this can get confusing as a means of tracking number of frames (say you have 3-4 partially-used folders of different subjects), although it can certainly help you track content. Also, remember that the folders hold 9999, not 10,000 files, so your count will be reduced by 1 for each full folder you have.

[Double Negative]

I would've had all my computer gear regardless of photography - save for maybe the FireWire CF card reader. Perhaps my choice of printer might've been different...

After X number of shots, you break even. After that, your shots are essentially free.

[kevin_c]

My shutter count is zero. I just buy photographic equipment; I don't actually use it...

Just kidding! :-)

The sad thing is I think there are some people who actually do this, especially with lenses :-)

[deadpoet]

How many shutter cycles is concidered high, as on the way to shutter replacement, or should you be worried abouty the value of the camera...Mine is a 300D and are all shutters equal in longevity ?? (Mine is around 7000) Reason for asking is I looking into a used 20D and don't want to be replacing it to soon..

Sorry moderators, posted this in the wrong forum...could you move it to EOS camera forum?
The key is to reach the shutter count magic number, say 100K for the 30D, before the warranty expires, hope and pray that the shutter fails before that, and get new shutter for free.

In addition to the shutter, the sensor also has a limited life.

[SKIP754]

I've had the 10D for 2.5yrs with over 30,000 shutter cycles without a single problem. I just got the 30D and one of the reasons was the beefed up shutter.

[SKIP754]

I am almost half way there in only 5 months. This thing better not die after a year.:evil:
Being an engineer, I push all things to their limit. Cameras aren't like leased cars, just keep taking pictures. I have a 10D with over 30k cycles & not a single problem.

[Digitalwave]

My XT just passed the 100 000 mark, and still goin strong.

That's good to hear! I've only had my XT between a month and two months and I have almost 3,700 clicks already.

[lakiluno]

Can I ask a question

I'm thinking of buying a used XT, approx 4000 actuations and a year old. Is this ok - it seems like the previous owner didn't use it as much as some of you guys do...

Anyway, I'm thinking $800 including batt. grip and spare battery (and kit lens) is a good deal...anyone got any thoughts?

Leo

[adas]

Don't really think $800 is a good price these days. B$H has the 350D +kit lens for $759.95 new. And I'm sure you'll find the kit +grip for approx. $800 elsewhere. A 1 year old batteries are rather old imho. And how about the warranty?

opteka grip = $59
sterlingtek batt = $15

[lakiluno]

yeah

I actually decided that myself after making that post. I think I'll see if the seller can lower the price a little. (and include free S&H perhaps)

Leo :D

[sharky]

My XT just passed the 100 000 mark, and still goin strong.

Wow, my 10D has just over 10 000 on it and I was beginning to worry about shutter failure!

[Double Negative]

My trusty old D30 has somewhere around 10,000+ exposures and still going strong...

[Leandro Bento]

How do you find out how many shutter cycles your camera has already gone through?

Leo

[cgratti]

Can you send you rcamera to Canon to get the shutter replaced? And how much is the cost?

[Double Negative]

Sure, Canon will replace the shutter for you. Not sure how much and it depends on the camera but someone mentioned something about $200.

[22littlereasons]

My 10D is around 130,000. No problems. Still works like new. Damn, how can I rationalize a new camera!

[Double Negative]

My 10D is around 130,000. No problems. Still works like new. Damn, how can I rationalize a new camera!
Drop it. ;)

[Spiral Photo]

300D sitting at over 20K. Still shooting like a champ, but I'm just waiting for it to crap out on me.

[schmoelzel]

My 1D has about 65 000 actuations.......shutter for 1-series bodies are typically rated for 150-200K so I think it will outlast my shooting!!

[eeyore2]

My 300D is still going strong on 18,000. (touch wood), the new 30D is supposed to go to 100,000 and I doubt the 20 was much less ( but I could be wrong so don't sue if I am :-))

[dpastern]

My 1D just hit 66322 ;-) By the time I hit 150k I'll have hoped to have enough pennies to buy a new 1D mark IIn ;)

Dave

[sharky]

My 10D is around 130,000. No problems. Still works like new. Damn, how can I rationalize a new camera!

As you can see by my recent posts to this site, I've really been trying to FIND a problem with my 10D, but every problem can be attributed to user error. I thought (hoped?) the shutter was going a few days ago when I got a few dark frames, but with the help of some other users here worked out that I'd just swept some bright sky into frame at the start of a burst and the camera had kept that metering as I focused on a darker area.

To 22littlereasons, this is how I console myself:

1) My 10D has NEVER had an ERR 99, or any other ERR for that matter.
2) The battery grip is almost as solid as the camera - no power problems here.
3) I can use the camera in a quiet location without attracting angry stares.
4) The money I've saved on a 350D, 20D, 30D can go towards lenses.
5) I can think of myself as "old school", and be self-deprecating about any great shots coming out of my "old 10D"

Ah, they just don't build em like they used to!

[chrishunt]

My 20d had ~5000 actuations when I sold it, and my 1dmkII has ~14500.

[NordieBoy]

Well, that's all handy to know, ....so to make some one think my camera is new all I would need to do is sit and watch TV and click my shutter about 3000 times , bringing it around to 0074 (assuming I have 7074 on it now !!);) :rolleyes: So there is really no way to tell what the real relitive use age of the camera is!! Huh...I would have thought the canon folks would have been more clever than that!

Just go into the menu and reset the file counter.

[MuffYz]

my 350d has 4125 actuation in 5 month..

[bazz8]

The folder number changes. The frame numbering works:
At 100 files/folder (D30, D60, 10D, 300D, 20D, 350D for sure) the file number is the last 2 of the folder plus the file number (001-100), so folder 147CANON holds files IMG_4701-IMG_4800. Folder 247 will hold files of the same names, but you'll note that it's folder 247CANON, so add 10,000 to your overall file number. Same thing with 347CANON and so on. I rename my files to hold the folder number and file number (147-4765_20D) in the file name on download.
At 9999 files/folder (5D, 1D-types, 30D?), the file number is the frame number; when you move to the next folder, add 10K to the last file number. If you create and move between your own folders, this can get confusing as a means of tracking number of frames (say you have 3-4 partially-used folders of different subjects), although it can certainly help you track content. Also, remember that the folders hold 9999, not 10,000 files, so your count will be reduced by 1 for each full folder you have.



Well that answer went over my head like a skyrocket lol my d30 is on 209-1000 and after taking a shot went up to 210-1001 can someone please help me work out the number of shots I have taken. Ihave used a microdrive 1gig for 5 years with no glitches but this one goes to fund some fast glass. 200MM f2.8 SIGH
I have bought the 40d as a replacement and have only 150 shots on that body but what a body

[silvex]

My 40D has about 200 clicks...:) I just bought it...:) My 30D most likely about 100K in about 1-1/2years of shotting...:shock:

[The Fox]

Wow...Have you folks ever considered how much it would cost you for your numbers of clicks had these been film cameras?? Let's say we had 15,000 shots taken on rolls of film of 24 shots/roll....that would be 650 rolls of film....and if we were to develop them at a semi cheep place at say $6/roll, including the cost of the film, we are looking at $3750 ....makes those high end CF cards rather affordable, aye?
This is true, now imagine if you had a hasselblad or mamiya, where you had to crack each exposure. That would be amazing.

[Nick Pro]

I have about 160,000 on my 1D. Still works perfectly.

[Lani Kai]

Wow this is an old thread...
120,000-ish on my 1D Mark II

[Dragos Jianu]

over 85K on the 20D and still holding strong. have been using it since January 2005 (you can just imagine a thrilled noobie ripping at 5fps - my first serious camera :) ). should last for a while still since demoting him to backup fro his big brother.

[Jannie]

I just checked and have 17,000 clicks on my 5D in one year, it's got a long way to go.

[TMaG82]

So we'd spend 4 grand on film, aye?

Not let me think for a moment here:
I've upgraded my computer for RAW files - 1000
A montor - 500
CF cards - 400
Batteries 40
Grip 50$ more expensive
The digital body cost me a good 1100 more than the film body
RAIDed harddrives - 250
The extra for AF in my lenses which I don't really need - 500

That's about the same four grand. Can be even more.

Now, considering that with film I'll be shooting much less... I'm starting to wonder what is more expensive.

I'm sure it's different for some folks that use their computers exclusively for digital photography but my PC along with the various components to it see much more use in other applications then just solely for digital photography.

[Kerrits]

no one has given answers on the "how do I check?" questions yet :-(

[doherc]

ditto - can anyone simplify the prior explanation?

[The Fox]

As for the topic, I have seen a 20d with 300,000+ shots through it and it is still working fine.

[drisley]

The 1D MKIII is rated at 300,000 shutters life cycle, which is approx 8hrs of non stop shooting, or about 25 years if you shoot 1000 pics a month.