10D Out of Stock??

[mpross]

Why is it so hard to find a 10D now? Do you suppose that Canon is addressing the focus issue with an update to the camera?
Just seems odd that they are so hard to get now. My local store says it will be weeks before they have any, whereas they had no problem early in the summer. Any speculation? I am finally ready for one, but should I wait?

[lightandlife]

Yes, despite all the autofocus problems, it is being sold out in America.

It simply means 10D is a bargain.

[harpoon]

10D sold out? If you go to pricegrabber.com, there are plenty of online stores having 10D available, or at least they claim so.

[yalemba]

Try "J and R Music World" in New York; I got mine from there... they had a few in stock two weeks ago. By the way, in my experience, the camera does not seem to have any autofocus-related issues. My D10 produced crisp pictures out of the box...and has not required me to touch up pictures using the Adobe software.

[2Hog]

I went to PC Connection and ordered one on Thurs 4 Sept and it was delivered the next day. I had read so much about backorders that I was shocked to get it so fast.
2hog

[slau]

Not in Canada. I was in our local camera store and they have lots of 10D in stock. Matter of fact that they are planning to reduce the price of 10D by $225 CDN next week, as kind of Canon promotion to students-back-to-school (but anyone can get the same price). The current price is $2400 CDN, which is exactly what the Nikon 100D is priced at. The $225 price reduction may pull students to the Canon side.

[bnpndxtr]

harpoon wrote:
10D sold out? If you go to pricegrabber.com, there are plenty of online stores having 10D available, or at least they claim so.

Skip the New York shops, especially the Brooklyn ones. I monitored the pricegraber.com user reviews for several of these stores for a couple of weeks. There is definitely "ballet stuffing" going on.

For instance the reviews for a store called “Mr. Accessory.com” contained two rave reviews from supposedly two different parts of the US that were VERBATIM exactly the same. I mean they have no shame…and apparently no brains because the two messages were posted consecutively.

I called several of these store to make an order- the rumors are true. If you say you don’t want to buy extra stuff, the camera becomes suddenly “on backorder”.

And some are gray market too. Take Infinity Cameras for example. I called these guys to inquire about their Canon EOS 10D advertised on their web site for $1199.99. I asked if it was a new camera. The guy said “yes”. I then asked if it came with the full US warrantee. They guy said, “No. Well, you can’t expect a warrantee at this price.” This is a sure sign of gray market (or worse) products.

[Vegas Poboy]

Also check out www.outpost.com (USA Only).

[mpross]

I went for it and called Outpost.com. They said they had it in stock and should have it by Tues. Thanks poboy. Had forgot all about those people. Had ordered from them before without problems. We'll see if it's the same this time. Hope I got a good one. Will be going to Laughlin AFB in Del Rio TX to take pics of T-38's landing and taking off. Hope this camera is as quick on the focus as I hear it is.

[Vegas Poboy]

mpross wrote:
I went for it and called Outpost.com. They said they had it in stock and should have it by Tues. Thanks poboy. Had forgot all about those people. Had ordered from them before without problems. We'll see if it's the same this time. Hope I got a good one. Will be going to Laughlin AFB in Del Rio TX to take pics of T-38's landing and taking off. Hope this camera is as quick on the focus as I hear it is.
Your Very welcome & have Fun

[Sketcher]

Why does everyone overlook Bestbuy? They have them online and on store shelves (at least in Minnesota). And, you can't beat their product warranty/replacment plan. (So think carefully before you look at the sale price and pass it off - comparable warranties are 3 or 4 times more expensive and LESS comprehensive from the sites that sell the 10D for a couple hundred less. You'll pay the difference one way or the other).

Bestbuy's website allows you to do a store check, which lists the stores and contact numbers so you can verify and hold an item before you make the drive.

But even if your local BM doesn't have it, shipping's free if ordering online.

[bnpndxtr]

I ultimately purchased form Best Buy, after several weeks of waiting on a backorder on-line. A digital camera is the ONLY product for which I will pay for an extended warrantee. Best Buy’s is $100 for 4 years. But the best reason to go to best buy is that you can easily exchange. 3 out of 4 10D’s I looked at had significant out-of-box defects (2 had irritating hot pixels at 10 sec exposure 100 ISO, and one had a completely messed up focus servo). I was able to haggle $100 off their normal store price.

[harpoon]

bnpndxtr,

Could you elabrate on the "hot pixel" issue? What doe it mean? Saturated pixels? How did you check for hot pixels? Why 10 sec exposures?

Thank you!

[Littlebike]

Sketcher wrote:
Why does everyone overlook Bestbuy? They have them online and on store shelves (at least in Minnesota).


The ultimate reason I bought mine at best buy is not because they had them in stock, or because of how insanely cheap the extended warranty is for what you get, I bought it there because they often run an 18-month same a cash promotion that lets me have the Camera in hand, pay for it over 18 month and not pay any interest at all.

How can you lose?

[UniSonBBS]

I purchased mine from BestBuy as well. And also got the 4 year warrentee. Like others have said, "How can you go wrong". They dont attempt to fix the camera. They just replace it.

Now with this autofocus problem? Is there particular lenses this does it to? Ive noticed some problems with my 75-300mm IS USM somtimes. Ill attempt to autofocus on something, and it will completely focus the other way. But then I half press again, and usually its ok. No good when it happens at that right moment you been waiting for... :/

[bnpndxtr]

harpoon wrote:
bnpndxtr,

Could you elabrate on the "hot pixel" issue? What doe it mean? Saturated pixels? How did you check for hot pixels? Why 10 sec exposures?

Thank you!




A hot pixel is a pixel on the image sensor that, due to manufacturing process variation, has more leakage current than the rest. This causes the pixel, on increasingly longer exposures, to produce an output greater than the other pixels on the sensor for a given amount of incident light. In more pronounced cases, they essentially produce an output with little or no light hitting them- it just becomes a function of the amount of time the sensor is on. So there is always variation in pixels, but a hot pixel stands out against the rest.

I found my first 10D hot pixel by a visual inspection of a 10 second dark frame exposure taken at ISO100. You can do this with the lens cap on, or the lens removed and the body cap on. It was not a “minor” blip, but easy-to-see bright blue one.

I downloaded one of the freeware hot pixel “finder” programs just so I could document the exact locations of the pixels for when I took the camera back to exchange it. A word of caution about the hot pixel programs- always look for the pixels by eye first, because that is usually the acid test of whether or not the issue is bad enough to care about. Once you get a feel for the luminance threshold that bugs you, then you can set the threshold on the program to only detect ones brighter than that particular level. Here is one I used:

http://www.starzen.com/imaging/deadpixeltest.htm

This is a “hot pixel” and “dead pixel” detector. I was only interested in finding hot pixels. I found that if the luminance was under 15, it didn’t really bother me. My original hot pixel was about 30.

This was very noticeable to me- partly because I had already gone through this exercise with my G2 last year so I knew what to look for. This time with the 10D I ended up with (after looking at a total of 4 brand new 10D’s!) had nothing above12, and I had a hard time seeing anything at all using a visual inspection.

But I saw a lot of variance. One body had a hot pixel cluster with luminance of 178! I am initially disappointed with Canon’s quality for this reason. It could be that Canons in general have fewer hot pixels than other brands- I don’t know. But if I’m going to spend that much money, I don’t want visually noticeable hot pixels.

If Canon would like to defend themselves here, be my guest- but I was astounded with the out of box defect rate I experienced. I saw two with irritating hot pixels and one in which the focus servo was nutty- it would just run back and forth between the stops and never stop at the focus point. 10D number 4 finally looked OK and I took it and ran, feeling lucky as hell. I guess I’ll see how the camera ages now.

[Sketcher]

UniSonBBS wrote:
I purchased mine from BestBuy as well. And also got the 4 year warrentee. Like others have said, "How can you go wrong". They dont attempt to fix the camera. They just replace it.

Now with this autofocus problem? Is there particular lenses this does it to? Ive noticed some problems with my 75-300mm IS USM somtimes. Ill attempt to autofocus on something, and it will completely focus the other way. But then I half press again, and usually its ok. No good when it happens at that right moment you been waiting for... :/Are you shooting in Auto or manual modes? No offense intended, the majority of "Issues" people with AF problems have is in their understanding of how the AF works and what it is they are trying to accomplish. Factors such as contrast in image, available light, AF assist and camera shake among other factors tie into proper AF operation as well.

[UniSonBBS]

No offence taken. It really didnt bother me much, but then to hear people complain and say they thought there was a problem, made me wonder. I guess I dont have "The AF issue". WHen I had this problem with the focusing on fast moving objects, but once and a while when Im trying to focus infinity. Thought that was kinda of odd. Thats happen a few times.