only folks that upgraded from 10D to 5D

[tikkeltokkel]

i would like to hear all the improvements that you have noticed (in actual use) between the two eg. Autofocus speed , drop in frames/sec etc. I am planning on buying one in the coming month. Sell me here! I dont want comments from folk that didnt upgrade this route please.

I use L lenses

[Samiad]

Well there won't be a drop in fps, both are 3fps as I recall.

[tikkeltokkel]

Samiad ..... did you do that very upgrade !!!??? I think the 10D is 3.5 . "Thanks" for the reply but dont

[willg]

I see you don't want my comments, but you will get them anyway.

I went from the Rebel/300d to the 5d. This was a similiar jump at least in terms of focus and sensor resolution and noise levels.

The picture styles are very interesting and I feel like I can control the shot more with the camera rather than photoshop.

Noise levels are much lower, obviously, but the increased resolution helps this even further espeically for resizing for the web. I have no fear using iso 1600, and will not hesitate to jump to 3200 if it means getting the shot. Also, third stop iso settings are a very nice upgrade. I usually leave mine at 400, 500, or 640.

Focus seems more accurate especially when using f/1.4 even though the depth of field will be smaller for the same fov.

The viewfinder is insane. If you haven't looked through a 5d, go now but leave your credit card at home if you don't want to buy it today. Also, if you don't have a 50mm f/1.4 I highly recommend it on this camera, it has had the most time on the camera thus far.

O yeah, if you want fast fps, the mirror is large on the 5d, and you can feel it going up and down so it doesn't feel as responsive as a 20d, but it hasn't been a problem for me.

[Jesper]

I did this (10D -> 5D). I loved the 10D, but the 5D is a much better camera.

- The 5D is much faster than the 10D. Instant power on, writing to CF card, reviewing images, it's all much faster and smoother on the 5D. I was out making photos with my brother last week who still uses the 10D, and that remembered me on how long you have to wait for the camera to finish sometimes (the 10D).

- The image quality is ofcourse a lot better, but that's not strange because the 5D has twice as many pixels as the 10D. Images out of the 5D are a lot larger and sharper than of the 10D.

- Focussing on the 5D is more accurate and better in low light.

- The high ISO performance of the 5D is MUCH better. The 10D wasn't bad, but I always avoided ISO 800 and above on the 10D because of the noise. On the 5D I don't hesitate to use ISO 800 and 1600. The 5D has probably the lowest noise of any digital camera that you can buy today.

- The viewfinder of the 5D is really large and bright, very nice! I was struggeling with manual focussing on the 10D sometimes - on the 5D it is much easier to manual focus precisely.

- There is a whole list of other interesting features on the 5D: spot meter, ISO in 1/3 stops, Picture Styles, a better folder management system (upto 9,999 photos in a folder, instead of a new folder every 100 photos), RAW + JPEG mode, etc.

The 5D is a super camera. I absolutely don't want to go back to an 1.6x crop factor camera. I have absolutely no regrets that I got the 5D instead of the 30D, even though it costs almost twice as much.

[tikkeltokkel]

thanks will... thats the reply i like! i shoot fashion shows and the 10D had a problem focussing on a model walking down the ramp with 70-200L. I have the 50/1.4 . The large 5D viewfinder is probably good if youre looking through the thing for hours on end.. which i do. I take it it's less strain to see what's happening on the other side of the lens . Is the focus tracking and AF speed much better ..let's say "spot on". I use the centre point focus.

Mike

[Jesper]

Yes, the 5D's viewfinder is absolutely much better and less strain on the eyes, if you look through it for a longer period of time, or if you're trying to focus manually very precisely. The 5D also has an interchangeable focussing screen, you can get alternative focussing screens from Canon for special purposes (they have one with grid lines and one which is optimized for manual focussing with fast lenses).

I forgot ofcourse to mention the large LCD monitor on the 5D.

[Samiad]

Samiad ..... did you do that very upgrade !!!??? I think the 10D is 3.5 . "Thanks" for the reply but dont

Don't what? I'm trying to help you. I have a 10D and a 5D! Have some manners.

also - Dpreview, 10D - "Continuous Drive Yes, 3 fps max 9 images"

5D - " Continuous Drive Yes, 3 fps max 60 JPEG, 17 RAW"

[tikkeltokkel]

didnt realise you have both.. i dont. Is the main thing that the frame rate is actually the same or are their differences that you have found useful.

[Samiad]

So you shouldn't offend those trying to help you if you don't own both.

[SWPhotoImaging]

I purchased my 10D in fall 2003, and used it extensively for landscape and travel photography (25k actuations?). I kept it when the 20D came along, because I think the 10D produces better color than the 20D does. When the 5D was announced, I knew I wanted one. The FF was something I have really missed since going digital.
I bought my 5D in October of 2005, and I LOVE IT.
I have never noticed any difference in frame rate, and in fact almost never use burst shooting anyway. I am very glad that I invested in quality lenses when using teh 10D, because all of my lenses work well on the 5D. I have found that my 70-200 f2.8 is much more usable on the 5D, because 70mm is not too long on a FF camera. I use my 24-70 as my standard lens, keeping it on the 5D most of the time. Wide angle is actually W-I-D-E A-N-G-L-E again! I love the image quality of the 5D, and the amazing enlargements I can get from it. I was always able to get very good 20x30 prints from the 10D, but the 5D could do 40x60 without too much trouble. The color rendition is superb, the viewfinder is MUCH better than the 10D, the low-light auto-focus is far superior to the 10D, the high ISO low noise on the 5D blows away the 10D. ETTL-II is great. Auto focus seems to be faster and more precise, and AI servo much more sensitive and accurate. My poor 10D is sitting all alone in a camera bag in the closet since October. I thought I'd keep it and use it more than I do after I got the 5D, but I just don't really need it, except as a backup in case I have some major camera failure on the 5D.

[joekr]

Thanks for the info guys. I have a 10d and plan on buying a 5d in the near future...

[tikkeltokkel]

Thanks for the reply SW. When it comes to ettl-II I have the 550ex and naturally think that i will buy the 580 now. Can i still use the 550 as per normal ( but for the advantage the 580 gives with regards to distance and AWB adjustments ). Do you recommend i dive in for the 580EX

[karusel]

I have a question: have you noticed anything differend about the images from 5D? From what I've observed on pbase, they appear medium-formatish, un-flat, deep... y/n?

[Alan Neilson]

I am a 10D, would love a 5D go nicely with my 5 film, but keep saying I can't justify the cost, need to stop reading posts like this as it weakens me a bit each time. It was the same with the 85mm kept reading posts on that then my resove went

[Jon]

Thanks for the reply SW. When it comes to ettl-II I have the 550ex and naturally think that i will buy the 580 now. Can i still use the 550 as per normal ( but for the advantage the 580 gives with regards to distance and AWB adjustments ). Do you recommend i dive in for the 580EXE-TTL II is in the camera; all the EX flashes will allow you to get E-TTL II on a compliant body. What the 430EX/580EX offer that earlier flashes don't are zoom adjusted for sensor size on compliant cameras (not a problem with FF; that was the previous default) and colour temp. reporting to compliant cameras.

[SWPhotoImaging]

I have a question: have you noticed anything differend about the images from 5D? From what I've observed on pbase, they appear medium-formatish, un-flat, deep... y/n?

I have definately seen that the 5D produces some incredible image quality, particularly under lighting conditions that exaggerate depth or shape of things, creating what some have described as a "3D" feeling.

If I could, I'd go back and re-photograph everything I have done in the last few years, to get the "5D version" of the same scenes.

[Zepher]

the 5D feels better in the hand and the LCD screen is huge. you have to get used to the shorter focal length of your lenses, that is one of my friends main gripes with her 5D and 24-70L lens.

[willg]

I have definately seen that the 5D produces some incredible image quality, particularly under lighting conditions that exaggerate depth or shape of things, creating what some have described as a "3D" feeling.

If I could, I'd go back and re-photograph everything I have done in the last few years, to get the "5D version" of the same scenes.

I agree, I don't know what it is, but the images definitely seem to have more shape and depth. Probably something to do with the depth of field and one amazing sensor

[chtgrubbs]

If I could, I'd go back and re-photograph everything I have done in the last few years, to get the "5D version" of the same scenes.
And how! I would love to have the past 3 years worth of images in the higher quality of the 5D. It makes me wish I had borrowed the money to buy a 1DS instead of the 10D!

[Compose Her]

tikkeltokken - I made this "jump" last November, and (without rehashing what others have correctly stated) the primary differences are the incredibly-viewable viewfinder and the aforementioned improvement in image quality at higher ISO settings. I recently shot an informal (i.e., "non-church") wedding using exclusively 800 and 1600 ISO, and after minimal noise reduction in the raw conversion process the results appear clean, and the resulting prints (to 8 x 10) are exceptional. In regard to the "3-D" image quality, the effect is noticeable even using non-L lenses. Here's an example shot just a couple of days ago with a Sigma 105mm:
http://www.photosig.com/go/photos/view?id=1747778&forward=user

[joekr]

WOW compose her, that flower shot really does look 3D...I think I just made the decision to go 5d rather than 30d...

[pfogle]

thanks will... thats the reply i like! i shoot fashion shows and the 10D had a problem focussing on a model walking down the ramp with 70-200L. I have the 50/1.4 . The large 5D viewfinder is probably good if youre looking through the thing for hours on end.. which i do. I take it it's less strain to see what's happening on the other side of the lens . Is the focus tracking and AF speed much better ..let's say "spot on". I use the centre point focus.

MikeI realise this is not what you asked, but I have to say it ;) ...

... for runway fashion I'd have thought the 1D2 would be your best bet on all counts. I've used mine like that, and it's just great!