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[gs121002]

Yes, after lurking in the shadows and reading everything I could find on which digital SLR to buy, I have just placed my order for a new 10D on Amazon tonight. They are currently on back order as they seem to be everywhere. Must be a really HOT product!

I also ordered a Lexar Media 1GB 32x Compact Flash card. Am I correct in assuming that a 1GB card will hold about 170 shots? (1GB/6MB) Obveously the format you choose to store them in make a difference but I'm assuming that most of you shoot in raw mode? Correct?

What a great place this is to get and share information and experiences! Thanks for all your advise.

[lightandlife]

Good decision!

No, 1GB card will hold 500 pics in the best resolution (Jpeg), because 6MB pic is compacted to 2MB by 10D. Not sure about Raw numbers.

One thing I like about 1GB card is that you forget about storage problems. You have so many things to worry about, focusing, low light, lens hood, you may drop the camera, etc.

It gives you freedom. Even if one takes pics in two events, back to back, it has ample storage. Get 2 batteries, though.

[robertwgross]

lightandlife wrote:

No, 1GB card will hold 500 pics in the best resolution (Jpeg), because 6MB pic is compacted to 2MB by 10D. Not sure about Raw numbers.


I believe the original poster was correct. About 160-170 RAW files per 1GB.

---Bob Gross---

[mickeyjuice]

lightandlife wrote:
Good decision!

No, 1GB card will hold 500 pics in the best resolution (Jpeg), because 6MB pic is compacted to 2MB by 10D. Not sure about Raw numbers. -->

If you don't know, why say 'No'?

The original poster is entirely correct.

Mic.

[lightandlife]

miccullen wrote:

The original poster [sic] is entirely correct.

Mic.

Gary in the original post assumed that most of you shoot in RAW. The original post may not have been entirely correct with that assumption.

Do you represent "most of us"? In fact, I am pretty sure that most of us shoot in Jpeg, but I could be wrong and you might be right.

I am always for finding the truth, instead of assuming, if possible.

I was only trying to say one can store more pics, if one does not demand RAW.

[SemieE]

I've only been shooting in RAW myself.

[cubfan]

I shoot all high quality jpegs. I send them to my lab via a cable modem. That's the only format that they will take and I'm very happy with the prints....I haave done up to 16x20 with astoundingly good quality and I'm very picky about my prints.

[Belmondo]

I've been shooting principally in RAW, but occasionally, I'll put the camera into full AUTO mode. It then reverts to JPEG. I have 6 256 meg cards, so in most circumstances, storage is not a problem.

[Belmondo]

It would be interesting to know what the actual ratio is of people shooting RAW vs. JPEG. The impression I get from reading this bulletin board (and others) is that far more people are shooting RAW. I only question whether or not that's a reasonable conclusion to draw; a large number of those who access the board are professionals and/or serious hobbyists, and as such are more predisposed to participating in such forums, AND more apt to shoot their photographs in the RAW format. If that's the case, then then the reality might be skewed, at least to the extent that it's possible 'less dedicated' people are likely shooting JPEG and not frequenting these boards.. I suspect they are, and in large numbers.

For the average user (and a lot of above-average users) there is insufficient difference between the two formats to justify the extra work involved in processing RAW images.

[cubfan]

belmondo wrote:
It would be interesting to know what the actual ratio is of people shooting RAW vs. JPEG. The impression I get from reading this bulletin board (and others) is that far more people are shooting RAW. I only question whether or not that's a reasonable conclusion to draw; a large number of those who access the board are professionals and/or serious hobbyists, and as such are more predisposed to participating in such forums, AND more apt to shoot their photographs in the RAW format. If that's the case, then then the reality might be skewed, at least to the extent that it's possible 'less dedicated' people are likely shooting JPEG and not frequenting these boards.. I suspect they are, and in large numbers.

For the average user (and a lot of above-average users) there is insufficient difference between the two formats to justify the extra work involved in processing RAW images.

I agree 100 %....I shoot jpg because of convenience and raw would be nice if I had the time.

[Andy_T]

cubfan wrote:

I agree 100 %....I shoot jpg because of convenience and raw would be nice if I had the time.

Are you referring to the time it takes to write the pictures to the CF card or to the conversion workflow later on?

With Breezebrowser I find the conversion in batch mode actually doesn't take much extra time (I use a G2) and allows you to do other conversions to the picture (e.g. resizing or change of JPEG conversion rate at the same time). But then, it might not provide optimum conversion results on the 10D.

Regards,
Andy

[justme_dc]

First off congratulations on the camera purchase! I am sure you'll have alot of fun with the camera. You'll get, as other posters have said about 160-170 raw images at iso100 and about 450-500 large jpegs at iso100. Higher iso ratings will lower the number of images you can capture on the card. This is due to among other things the amount of added noise in the higher iso files. Don't skimp on a cheap lens. It makes little sense to spend all that money on a great camera and then put a cheapie lens in front of it. Be selective, you'll be thankful later.

As to the RAW vs. JPEG issue, canon's abismal jpeg compression engine is the only thing that keeps me from using JPEG on a regular basis. If you don't believe it flawed then take a picture in jpeg mode of someone wearing a bright red shirt on a blue or green background. Open it in photoshop and enlarge to 200%. If you examine the edge between the red and the other color you'll find very jaggy edges. These are artifacts of the poor compression scheme used by canon. It is well documented, search online.

[CyberDyneSystems]

Whethter you shoot jpeg or RAW makes little difference to the strange a and unnecesary argument that has resulted???

It was made quite clear by gs121002
that the original question was referring to RAW files,. he stated the RAW files correct size of approximatley 6 MB.

Any ways,. gs121002,

yes about 170 RAW images and over 500 at the best level jpeg depending on the ISO you select.

[CyberDyneSystems]

PS as i grew familiar with the 10D and used a 256 MB cardf I shot 99% jpeg.. as time went on and I grew more familiar,. and as I began to take my images more serioulsy I became dissapointed with the jpegs and now shoot RAW 90% of the time :D

Welcome to the forum and have fun! :)

[gs121002]

Is there any way to do a poll on the board as you can with other boards like Yahoo Groups?

[Dave I]

I shoot only RAW. The countdown indicator on the camera shows 162 shots left with an empty card in the slot and the ISO set to 100.

Keep in mind, however, that one of the major advantages of the 10D is that you can dial up to ISO400 with virtually no noise, and it's not very noticable at ISO800. I usually wander between ISO100 and ISO400, depending on the setting. Higher ISO shots tend to take up a bit more room. Not much, though.

Typically, I get about 150 shots on a 1GB card, mixed ISOs.

[lightandlife]

CyberDyneSystems wrote:
Whethter you shoot jpeg or RAW makes little difference to the strange a and unnecesary argument that has resulted???

It was made quite clear by gs121002
that the original question was referring to RAW files,. he stated the RAW files correct size of approximatley 6 MB.



It appears I have confused the issue.

I apologize.

[gs121002]

Just got my order confirmation tonight from Amazon. My 10D has been delayed until 10/27 - 11/7. I think the best thing to do is canel it and reorder from someone who has stock.

Called Dell next but missed them before they closed. Left a message with them to add a 10D to my 70-200 L IS order if they can still do a 10% off. (Hope- hope.)

What am I going to do with a lens and no body??? Yea right! I'll box it up and wait for you to send me your address..... :)

[gs121002]

Update: Just spoke with Dell tonight. They say they will take my 10D order at 10% off but I may not get it until Christmas. Arrgh!!!

[Belmondo]

gs121002 wrote:
Update: Just spoke with Dell tonight. They say they will take my 10D order at 10% off but I may not get it until Christmas. Arrgh!!!

Gary in San Diego

Gary:
Is it that you can't find a 10D anywhere in the San Diego area? Or are you just trying to save the 10%?

I just found one at a camera shop in Indio yesterday. It wasn't a bargain ($1,499.00), but it was there so I snagged it. Now I have two of them, and I'm starting to feel like a bit of a pig if there are others who aren't able to get just one.

Anyway, good luck. Hopefully you'll find one before Christmas.

Tom

[Vegas Poboy]

gs121002 wrote:
Update: Just spoke with Dell tonight. They say they will take my 10D order at 10% off but I may not get it until Christmas. Arrgh!!!

Gary in San Diego

I have,nt checked lately but Fry's electronics was carry it here locally in Vegas, maybe you should check the one off of 15 and Aero drive. :)

[gs121002]

Tom - I was trying to save the 10% plus 7.75% sales tax and get it within a week or two.

It's the old law of supply and demand we learned back in ecconomics. We shouldn't expect discounts or in stock mercandise on highly desired items but it sure is fun to wish it so..... right?

Poboy - Fry's sells the camera ($1,499.99 + tax) but is out of stock.