Alright. What do I do?

[Ronald S. Jr.]

Ok, so some of you have heard about my 1DMkII deal I made on FM. For those who don't:

A man offered a 1DMkII in great condition with I think he said just under 30k clicks. He said he would take a 30D w/grip and $1,000. Great, right? Yup. However, I haven't heard from him, and I'm starting to worry a bit, as I need this thing quick, like within a week.

Now for the problem.

Another guy just offered me a 1DMkII as well. His has roughly 16k clicks. He says he'll take my 30D on trade as well, but wants me to make an offer as to how much cash. I've literally got $999.99 in my paypal right now. I've got some cash, though.

1) Should I assume the first guy is "no more", and take this guy up on it?

2) How much should I offer?

[crn3371]

Not sure about #2. As far as #1 is concerned YES. If you haven't heard from the first guy, and you need the camera soon, go with the other offer. As far as $$ is concerned, if you were ok with 1K, you could just offer that and be done with it. Try a low ball, maybe $800, if he doesn't accept, bump it up to your original $1000.

[blonde]

Ron,

send the first guy another PM and tell him that you need the camera asap and that if he doesn't reply by tommorow morning, you wil have no choice but to go with the other offer. then, offer the second guy the same deal you had with the first and just explain to him that this is all you got. i paid $2450 shipped for my 1d so i am pretty sure that 30d+ 1000 or so might be enough. worst comes to worst, just tell him that you have some cash but it will take a few days before you can use it in the paypal account.

[Dave_G]

Is thinking for yourself one of the options?

If you so seriously "need" a 1D within a week for work the buy one new. I assume from the nature of your previous posts you earn a living from photography?

Maybe you should consider stopping playing the system and get on with earning a living out of it (rather than a fast buck/pound/dollar), there is a difference.

":)"

[crn3371]

Ouch!

[Ronald S. Jr.]

Pretty rude there, Dave. Despite that, I'll respond. The reason I "need" a 1DMkII so soon is because I'm being paid to shoot a racing event (horses). Unfortunately, I tried out my 30D with my 70-200L IS at a test run at the track the other day, and it just wasn't on par with the speed. I just need faster focus speed and more accurate focus, in order to keep up. I do not earn a living from photography. We have a business at home that pays the bills and provides us with a comfortable life. Photography is basically a hobby that I can make money from...if I choose. I could back out from this and not be worried. However, that would be rude.

As for buying a new one- just don't have the extra cash, and don't think it's worth an extra $1k+ for one that will work just the same as the one I'm trying to get. Senseless, in my mind.

There you have it, Sir. Hopefully that'll be the last "smart" comment.

[zacker]

ewww...is someone having a bad day? dave?
lol
Ron, whats the big rush? ya just got the 30D bro!

Your so funny..
-zacker-

[Ronald S. Jr.]

Read the last post, Zacker. Got an event coming up in a few days, actually (the 9th), and every week after that for the rest of the racing season.

[Dave_G]

Never meant to be rude...I like to say it how it is....

but I think a 30D (or even a 20D) can focus quick enough to keep up with Equine Horse Power. If I can do it ("it" meaning shooting race cars week in week out) reasonably ok with a 300D - that was last year - and acceptably ok with a 20D you should have no trouble at all with a 30D.

I have had press accrediation and had my images used, and I count myself as a proper hobbyist type bloke - there are people here that get stuff published day in day out and shoot using 20Ds, and I'm talking really creamy nice shots.

Do horses go faster than cars?

Fair play on the not buying a new one. Sir.

[Dave_G]

ewww...is someone having a bad day? dave?
lol
Ron, whats the big rush? ya just got the 30D bro!

Your so funny..
-zacker-

hahaha, no bad day.

agree on the 30D. but you can't tell Ron!

[kong]

Should keep my mouth shut but... I can't... My self and Indy Jeff shoot indy cars doing well over 200 mph and we don't need to use the MKII's??? Just wondering if you are biting off more of a status symbol instead of using the camera correctly??? Just a thought.

[Dave_G]

Hurrah! *applause*

[ssim]

I fail to see the reason for the personal attacks by Dave and kong. IMO, they are certainly uncalled for and had very little (if anything) to do with questions put forth in the original post. Having a 1 series camera is doesn't seem like a quest for a certain status symbol. If a photographer wants to have the best available for a certain shoot within a certain timeline, who are we to say that he is wrong. While the 20D/30D are capable of shooting fast moving subjects, the 1DMKII is just that much better at it.

With respect to your original question Ron, I would say the first guy has disappeared on you. It happens, unfortuneately. So I would jump at the second one if it sounds good to you. Good luck.

[IndyJeff]

As Kong said we both shoot Indy cars at well over 200MPH. I use a D60 as I find it to be very reliable and the fact that when I bought it the 10D was introduced about a week later DOH! I plan on getting a 20D later this year but for now the D 60 does the job.

Now if you have a 30D and can't get a good shot of some race horses, I wouldn't be spending the money on an MKII camera. I think it is more of operator than equipment problem.

[kong]

I fail to see the reason for the personal attacks by Dave and kong. IMO, they are certainly uncalled for and had very little (if anything) to do with questions put forth in the original post. Having a 1 series camera is doesn't seem like a quest for a certain status symbol. If a photographer wants to have the best available for a certain shoot within a certain timeline, who are we to say that he is wrong. While the 20D/30D are capable of shooting fast moving subjects, the 1DMKII is just that much better at it.

With respect to your original question Ron, I would say the first guy has disappeared on you. It happens, unfortuneately. So I would jump at the second one if it sounds good to you. Good luck.


And I don't see the personal attack by me the you have stated!!! I'm making a statement from my own professional experience. I've shot full credentialed for many types of racing for many years and it makes me laugh when I hear these people that think something is imposible to do unles they have the next better camera. And other people on the sight that believe them. LEARN to use the capabiltiies of your equipment, I'm sure it will supprise you.....

[Ronald S. Jr.]

Oh it did alright. I got some decent stuff. Nothing I'd sell, I was just seeing how I'd do with speed and constantly moving subjects (next to no experience there- I do weddings). I agree I could be a bit of the problem, but I've never been overjoyed with the limited focus points, causing me to have to focus/recompose a lot. I get the feeling the MkII will remedy that a bit, and also pick up a bit of my slack. From what I understand, the MkII and my 70-200L IS will focus a fair amount faster, and noticeably more accurately than my 20/30D. Also, I understand it does a much better job with predictive servo focus as well. Not to mention, I'll probably be shooting at higher ISO's, and the noise will be even less on the MkII.

Just some thoughts.

[Ronald S. Jr.]

\it makes me laugh when I hear these people that think something is imposible to do unles they have the next better camera. I understand quite fully the capabilities of my cameras. I also understand my own capability. That sounds to me like "You're a stupid noob that doesn't know your a** from your elbow". I've been around. Glad that you're trying to "help", but you just don't know my situation, and don't know me, and it's a bit unfair to guess as to the type of person I am, and what I'm thinking. "You think you know, but you have no idea." ;-)

[fivegallon]

Ron, any thoughts on hiring a unit for the day ?
That would take the pressure off trying to get one quick and give you a chance to see how it performs..

[ssim]

And I don't see the personal attack by me the you have stated!!! I'm making a statement from my own professional experience. I've shot full credentialed for many types of racing for many years and it makes me laugh when I hear these people that think something is imposible to do unles they have the next better camera. And other people on the sight that believe them. LEARN to use the capabiltiies of your equipment, I'm sure it will supprise you.....

From you first post on this subject
Just wondering if you are biting off more of a status symbol instead of using the camera correctly???

Just about any image can be captured by a 20/30D. So those of us that have elected to own a 1 series camera have only done so because we didn't use these bodies right.

I don't see in Ron's original post where he says that he was struggling with the 30D. His questions were pretty clear on what he was asking of us. Some of you decided to turn this into a "you don't know what you're doing" thread when that wasn't even at issue here.

[Az2Africa]

Hi Ron
I can only say whay I would do. The 1st guy seems unreliable, unless there was a death in the family. I would do a an earlier post said and shoot him a "last chance" email, and start dealing with the other guy unless you get a prompt response. Chances are the 1st guy got a better offer and is too rude to tell you. Whether or not you need one is none of my business.
Terry

[kong]

Wow!!! That was a cute little tantrum.... trying to talk on this one sided topic is not worth the key strokes.

by-by,

[Ronald S. Jr.]

I wish I could delete others' posts. :rolleyes:

[blonde]

Ron, just forget about all that other BS, do what you wish. it is YOUR money and if you want a 1D than by all means, go for it and enjoy it. sure, the 30D can do a great job but if you feel like a 1d can help, buy it and enjoy it. jesus guys, you are acting like he is aking you to buy the camera for him when all he wants is some advice. one correction i have to make though is in regards to your comments about the noise level, i actually found the 20D to be a bit better than the mkII noise wise.

now go ahead and get yourself that sweet piece of gear, you only live once so do it right :)

[Steve Parr]

I wish I could delete others' posts. :rolleyes:

Well, that might make you feel better, but it will do nothing to negate the validity of their comments.

First: I see two things going on here. First, and to your initial question, the first guy is flakin' on you. Move on.

Second: What some here see as personal attacks I see as advice. Now, whether you like the way that advice is presented is another issue, but the points brought up are valid.

What I saw from their comments was the belief that you could certainly get the job done with the 30D and, in the process, save some money. Status symbol? Well, maybe. Ron, you do seem to always want the "next best thing". Now, there's absolutely nothing wrong with that. But to make the assertion that you need it comes across as a bit disingenuous. If a 10D can handle shooting 200mph Indy cars, a 30D is sure as Hell going to handle a horse race.

Knowing what the camera is capable of, and actually employing it in such a manner, are two completely different things, and I don't think the comments to that effect were "attacks"...

[Ronald S. Jr.]

one correction i have to make though is in regards to your comments about the noise level, i actually found the 20D to be a bit better than the mkII noise wise.

No offense, but that just doesn't seem like it could possibly be. Maybe it was the N I saw someone talking about. ONE of them was indeed better than the 20/30D at noise. Either way, that's not a deal breaker.

[blonde]

i have to disagree with you Steve. it is one thing to say "the 30D should have no problem doing a great job at the horse races". however, saying something like "Maybe you should consider stopping playing the system and get on with earning a living out of it (rather than a fast buck/pound/dollar), there is a difference" is a completely different thing. we all know that Ronald likes to buy and sell alot. we also know that he likes to have expensive things. however, it is not fair to give him crap everytime he asks for advice no matter what the issue is. if the thread was about the 1D and if it is better than the 30D than thats one thing. this thread asks for advice on how to approach a deal and yet people just jumped on him for no good reason. it seems to me that Ron always knows what he wants and he just goes for it and there is NOTHING wrong with that...

[blonde]

No offense, but that just doesn't seem like it could possibly be. Maybe it was the N I saw someone talking about. ONE of them was indeed better than the 20/30D at noise. Either way, that's not a deal breaker.

might be the N than because from my own experience, they both look pretty similar with the slight edge to my 20D. however, like you said, it is not and shoudn't be a deal breaker because both are amazing when it comes to low noise level.

[Steve Parr]

i have to disagree with you Steve. it is one thing to say "the 30D should have no problem doing a great job at the horse races". however, saying something like "Maybe you should consider stopping playing the system and get on with earning a living out of it (rather than a fast buck/pound/dollar), there is a difference" is a completely different thing. we all know that Ronald likes to buy and sell alot. we also know that he likes to have expensive things. however, it is not fair to give him crap everytime he asks for advice no matter what the issue is. if the thread was about the 1D and if it is better than the 30D than thats one thing. this thread asks for advice on how to approach a deal and yet people just jumped on him for no good reason. it seems to me that Ron always knows what he wants and he just goes for it and there is NOTHING wrong with that...

Again, I said that the manner the advice was offered might leave something to be desired. But I still think the underlying advice was sound...

[Az2Africa]

I usually just walk away from a thread when it gets off topic, but as far as I can tell, the only real question Ron ask was "What should I offer him?" That was all. I'm sure others meant well, but it was not related to the question.

[SuzyView]

I just started reading this thread and I am a little disappointed. I actually enjoy reading about Ron's buyings and sellings and know he tries hard to get a fair shake to his advantage, but his gear is well taken care of and he's pretty reliable. His question was basically innocent because he just doesn't know what to do next. He has a problem.

Ron, nothing ventured, nothing gained. PM the first seller and explain your reasons for needing the camera now. If he doesn't come through, go with the second one, unless you don't think that's a good deal. The 1DMKII is a good camera and if you really need something with better speed, then for heaven's sake, just rent one, especially if you are getting paid. If not, then it's not worth it. I have compared my sports pictures at the high ISO and fast shutter speed with my 20D and it cannot compare with a 1DMKII and definitely not with the 1DMKIIN. If I needed to shoot something that required a better camera, I would not hesitate to spend a little to get it right. Thank heavens no one has asked me for the impossible yet.

Some might disagree with your methods, but I actually admire you. I'm never brave enough to buy or sell anything here.

[rklepper]

I just started reading this thread and I am a little disappointed. I actually enjoy reading about Ron's buyings and sellings and know he tries hard to get a fair shake to his advantage, but his gear is well taken care of and he's pretty reliable. His question was basically innocent because he just doesn't know what to do next. He has a problem.

Ron, nothing ventured, nothing gained. PM the first seller and explain your reasons for needing the camera now. If he doesn't come through, go with the second one, unless you don't think that's a good deal. The 1DMKII is a good camera and if you really need something with better speed, then for heaven's sake, just rent one, especially if you are getting paid. If not, then it's not worth it. I have compared my sports pictures at the high ISO and fast shutter speed with my 20D and it cannot compare with a 1DMKII and definitely not with the 1DMKIIN. If I needed to shoot something that required a better camera, I would not hesitate to spend a little to get it right. Thank heavens no one has asked me for the impossible yet.

Some might disagree with your methods, but I actually admire you. I'm never brave enough to buy or sell anything here.

I would agree completely.

Funny how people seem to use every circumstance to make themselves feel better by trying to make others feel worse. Life is too short for this kind of behavior.

[Ronald S. Jr.]

I actually enjoy reading about Ron's buyings and sellings and know he tries hard to get a fair shake to his advantage, but his gear is well taken care of and he's pretty reliable.

Kinda like that boring soap opera that you watch when nothing else is on, huh? I mean...I personally don't, but uh... :confused:


Ron, nothing ventured, nothing gained. PM the first seller and explain your reasons for needing the camera now.

Done that. No response.

If he doesn't come through, go with the second one, unless you don't think that's a good deal.

Want to, but he hasn't gotten back to me on how much cash he needs. Honestly, 15k extra clicks or so (which is what the first one had) just doesn't bother me with this body, and it's not worth hundreds extra by any means.

if you really need something with better speed, then for heaven's sake, just rent one, especially if you are getting paid.

No place to rent bodies when you're out in nowhere.

I actually admire you.

That feeling is quite mutual. :-)

I'm never brave enough to buy or sell anything here. Hey, I just figure it's worth taking a chance to have some fun. Yes, I get paid for some of my shooting, but it's not a lifeline or anything. I can still live just as comfortably without my pay from photography, ya know? I don't see what there is to lose, really.

[Woolburr]

No place to rent bodies when you're out in nowhere. Ron...check with Tuthill's on the Vestal Parkway in Vestal. I think they might do rentals. Seems like they used to. (607)729-7334

[SuzyView]

If you don't get any responses from these first two, what will you do next? It's not everyday that someone wants a trade like this one. I would love to upgrade my 20D for a 5D, but can't seem to get into trading. Unlike you, my friend, I want to keep everything I buy. :) I've got 4 sons. They are all waiting for me to hand over my gear to them. :) Little do they know I'm taking it with me. ;)

[Ronald S. Jr.]

Ron...check with Tuthill's on the Vestal Parkway in Vestal. I think they might do rentals. Seems like they used to. (607)729-7334

No kiddin'...I've never seen anything but XT's and the occassional 5D in there. I'll head up that way tomorrow anyway, so I'll drop by. Hope they do. That'd help!

[SuzyView]

How far are you from Vestal? I used to live there 5 years ago. Lived there for 9 years and loved it. There are several places there that would rent. I may have friends there with some gear as well. Tuthill's is a great store, small, but reliable. There are also places in Ithaca that may rent out gear.

[Ronald S. Jr.]

If you don't get any responses from these first two, what will you do next?

Keep looking, and use my 20D in the meantime (as to not put too many more clicks on the 30D since I want it gone)

[Woolburr]

Only spot I know of in Ithaca is Ithaca Photo...haven't been in there in years. They are on West Green Street in downtown. 607.273.0353 Don't know about Elmira/Corning....

[Ronald S. Jr.]

I don't know Ithaca at all. Other than the school of music, it's never been much of a spot of interest for me. Only thing in Elmira is B&C, but they don't have diddly, and don't rent, as far as I know.

[Ballen Photo]

Ron, If the first guy hasn't gotten back with you, and you're in a hurry, go with the second. Unless of course that rental comes through for you. ;)
PS, I wish I could delete posts too. Oh, WAIT! I CAN! Be nice guys.
-Bruce

[SuzyView]

Love your avatar, Bruce.

Ron, call Tuthill's, if they can't steer you in the right direction, there's no hope. They are the best in the area. There used to be a camera store at Hechts or Boscovs, but they downsized. I used to buy all my gear there. If I had a 1DMKII, I'd lend it to you.

[dave carriger]

I used to be a trust almost anyone type,but years of life teaches one to not be so trusting!...............I just don't understand why ANYONE who is a photographer (pro or otherwise) that has the financial means to buy a 1dmarkII camera would ever want to "downgrade" in a trade to a camera that is only superior in carrying wieght.

If the said trader had the financial means to buy a $4k camera in the first place,why would'nt they keep what they have and spend $1400 for a new 30d backup body with full warranty?

This entire scenario with 2 people wanting to "downgrade"from pro level cameras seems very fishy to me.

Buyer (or trader in this case)beware!! You may end up with someone elses lemon.:cry:

[red hot sheep]

I would send an email to the first guy basically saying, 'look this is your last chance. Respond within x time limit, or I'm going elsewhere'. I think its right that you should contact him one last time, so he knows that the deal is off.

Hope it works out for ya.

[zacker]

i think the reason for these guys trading is they might have bitten off more than they can handle with the 1mk2 so now they will trde for the 30D and a grand and pay off the mk2 and still have a great camera... either that or they were reading the post here comparing the two!
lol
Good luck Ron...
-zacker-

[Ronald S. Jr.]

Well the second guy said he didn't want to sell his, but if the price was right, he would. Still hasn't told me what the "right price" was, though. The first guy had 2, and the second seems a lot like me..lol. That's why they're trading.

[michael_]

How far are you from Vestal? I used to live there 5 years ago. Lived there for 9 years and loved it. There are several places there that would rent. I may have friends there with some gear as well. Tuthill's is a great store, small, but reliable. There are also places in Ithaca that may rent out gear.
haha thats gold :) my mother is taking her new audi with her when she goes (biatch) j/k :P

[Ronald S. Jr.]

How far are you from Vestal? I used to live there 5 years ago. Lived there for 9 years and loved it. There are several places there that would rent. I may have friends there with some gear as well. Tuthill's is a great store, small, but reliable. There are also places in Ithaca that may rent out gear.

takes me about 35-40 minutes to get there. Nice little ride down 17. As you already know, I'm in Waverly. I'm about equidistant from Elmira/Corning and Vestal. I'm up on the parkway probably twice a week or so on my days off, just screwing around. Circuit city, sams, bed bath and beyond :o, etc. I didn't know you lived around here, Suzy. That's great. Seems to be a popular little spot! You, Dan (Woolburr), Gary W. Graley, and I are all "from" here. I've seen a couple others, too. Tuthill's is an ok store. I'm not much for the retail scene, unless I'm workin' it. There's a guy, I think Tony is his name. He's very "high pressure", and he annoys me. There's a younger girl, maybe a couple years older than me, that's much more helpful, and doesn't mind listening. I wouldn't ever buy gear from them, as their prices are outrageous, but I'd rent if they had it.

[Ronald S. Jr.]

Well, #2 guy just got back to me. No friggin way I'm paying that much. He wants $2900, and said he'd take my 30D and $1600 cash (or paypal- you know). I just plain don't have that much. I'm gonna work on the first guy more. Let you know as things progress.

[fstop212]

how about renting one then iron out the details with the others?
Just a thought

[Ronald S. Jr.]

I don't have much of any extra cash over the amount I was going to pay to buy one. I imagine renting one for a few days will cut into that fairly well.

[Ballen Photo]

Love your avatar, Bruce. Thanks Suzy. :D
-Bruce

[SuzyView]

I lived on the hill behind Binghamton University in one of those cookie cutter houses. It was very normal, very safe and I do miss that "small town" feel of Vestal. Then I went to the Giant, I knew all the 16 year old cashiers, they went to school with my boys. It's something I don't get here in the suburbs of Washington, D.C. Everything is fast here and so expensive. When people hear you are from New York, they think of NYC, but they don't see all the dairy farms and corn fields just beyond the Bronx. My hubby worked at the Lockheed Martin plant in Owego for years and loved it. I worked at the IBM Country Club as a Children's club director, now it's called Heritage.

And I never bought much at Tuthill's because I wasn't into photography as much then. I think if I lived there still, I'd go there to print out my pictures that I was selling, but other than that, it's very expensive. You've got to eat at the Parkway Chinese Buffet in the mall behind Tuthill's. Annie Tung is the owner, she's a good friend of mine. Every time I go back, I have to eat there. If you like good Chinese food, got to go there.

[Ronald S. Jr.]

The one next to Rinker's, right? Behind Applebee's? I go there all the time. ;-)

[SuzyView]

Yes. The owner has a son, Stanley that works at the counter. The food is so inexpensive and I always eat too much. When we go to Vestal to visit, we always stay at the Marriott Courtyard right there so we can eat at the buffet. :)

[Woolburr]

"It's a small world after all....it's a small world after all...."

[Ronald S. Jr.]

Lol...just seems like most people I know that live on the east coast have either been here to visit family, or grew up here themselves. I feel bad that so many people will never see such a nice little place! :-) Everywhere you look, there's beautiful hills. Autumn, here, is something else. Nothing like it!

[SuzyView]

Ron, I think I have a favor to ask then. I have never taken pictures of my beautiful Vestal in the fall. Could you do me a big favor, sometime in late September, to go down 17 and take a shot of the hills for me. I think there's a hill off of Route 26 that oversees the whole rolling hills of Vestal, take a few pictures and post for me? I miss it and I have never gotten a good picture, never thought of it. The reds and oranges are just burned into my memory, but it would be nice to get a wall paper for my computer of it.

Thanks.

[Ronald S. Jr.]

Remind me when fall comes around. No problem!

By the way, stopped by Tuthill's today. I asked the girl "hey, I had a couple of friends tell me that you guys will rent gear; is that right?" She says "whatcha lookin' for?" I say "1DMkII". She says "oh my GOD no!" Me: :|

She said they only rent video and projection equipment, and have not and will not rent EOS bodies. She said if they had a 5D lying around, she might be able to work something out, but they don't have 1-series bodies ever, and wouldn't rent them anyway. She said if they did something wrong and blamed it on them, it'd wreck their rep. Sooooo...looks like the 30D will have to do it.

[Ronald S. Jr.]

Well now I'm just plain peeved. #1 guy got back to me. He found a local to buy it, and is waiting to hear back from him. He says if it doesn't work, he'll get back to me. :rolleyes:

I'm depressed. I'm going to bed. :-(

[SuzyView]

Well, that stinks, like that fish on your avatar. Sorry about that. Did you ask her if there was a job opening and you'd work for $4000's worth of time to order a 1DMKIIN? That would be about $10/hour - 400 hours, 10-15 weeks. Wow, I need to get a better job. That really stinks! :) Did you have Chinese food anyway? If I got bad news like that, I'd go out, spend $10 on lunch and have a Diet Coke.

[Ronald S. Jr.]

Yup...had chinese, at least. No soda for me, though. I left, and proceeded to down two cans of Hawaiian punch. Drowning my sorrows, eh?

[defordphoto]

Moved to GC. Thread has gone way off topic.

[Ronald S. Jr.]

Well hey...at least we're still talking about a 1DMkII. :|

[jj1987]

Wow......talk about penis envy.

Half you guys are just saying the 1d is a status symbol because you cant afford one.


STFU and leave Ronald alone. He posts better images than most everyone who has given him crap in this thread. Baffles me that "professionals" see a problem with buying a 1d.

[Ronald S. Jr.]

LOL...gotta be fair. I've only posted like 20 shots in a year.

[defordphoto]

Well hey...at least we're still talking about a 1DMkII. :|

Yup...had chinese, at least. No soda for me, though. I left, and proceeded to down two cans of Hawaiian punch. Drowning my sorrows, eh?

Riiiiggghhhttt...:rolleyes: :lol: Go ahead and have fun with this...

jj1987: Be careful...This thread is on the radar. Flaming or trolling will shut this puppy down in a heartbeat. :)

[SuzyView]

Hey, Jim, you have 5 camera bodies, is the 1DMKII worth all the aggravation Ronald is having? I'm curious mainly because I can't decide if I should go for th 5D next or a 1D series. Can't afford the most expensive one, but probably don't need it. Mostly want it as a status thing, probably. But I am considering a used 1DMKII. What are they going for?

[Ronald S. Jr.]

Anywhere from $2200 up to almost $3000, depending on condition and clicks. You can get a nice looking one with 25k clicks usually for about $24-2500.

[Ronald S. Jr.]

jj1987: Be careful...This thread is on the radar.

:lol: Such is the case when I post in a thread. :p I'm a trouble maker...MUAHAHAHA! ;-) Gotta admit, though...I've been good lately!

[defordphoto]

Hey, Jim, you have 5 camera bodies, is the 1DMKII worth all the aggravation Ronald is having? I'm curious mainly because I can't decide if I should go for th 5D next or a 1D series. Can't afford the most expensive one, but probably don't need it. Mostly want it as a status thing, probably. But I am considering a used 1DMKII. What are they going for?

IMHO it's absolutely ridiculous to purchase a camera as a status symbol. I thought that was reserved for cars (for guys) and clothes/purses and shoes for girls.

All that aside, when I was shooting my D60's and 10D's only and reading all this hub-bub about 1-series cameras I blew it off not unlike you are.

However, until you own one (not just rent it), you enter an entirely different world as one would when finally moving into the L-class of lenses.

You will then know why.

However, to just toss that money to say "you have one" is just simply, dumb. If you are cash heavy then fine, go for it. But, if you have to toss it on a credit card/take out a loan, and have no ambitions or business sales to back it up it's silly. Heck, I could do you better with you sending me the money. I'll buy some cool new equipment and send you 25% of my photos as commission! ;)

I don't know you or what you shoot, but it sounds to me like you really need to stick to the prosumer cameras and learn them well. You will notice that 75% of my dSLRs are not 1-series. The SD500 is a P&S. Great camera BTW. Highly recommended.

I have no idea what an MKII goes for. I am not in the market for one.

[Ronald S. Jr.]

Suzy, I think you'd adore a 5D. I think the 1DMkII is a bit much for you at this point. I'm not sure you have anything you shoot that requires it. I don't either...really, but while my 30D just might do it, the MkII will do it better, faster, and easier. Plus, I'm a gadget freak, and I've got some extra cash. Those three things together say yes to me. I think you're itching for a FF body. You like the wide stuff, and you like sports. Very easy to MF, too. 5D is a lovely body. I play with my buddy's now and again. I wanted one, but then I realized I could get a 1DMkII for less money. Seemed a no-brainer considering the things I like to/have to shoot. Birds, racing, weddings.

[Woolburr]

B&H has a used one in your price range....and the condition looks great. Don't know if it will last until you get this. Here is a link....I think. http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=productlist&A=details&Q=&sku=800472962&is=USE&addedTroughType=categoryNavigation

[SuzyView]

Jim, I appreciate your comments. But I am one of the first to say, don't buy if you don't need or can't afford. I don't upgrade easily, as I only buy when I earn the money first. But the fact remains that the 1D series cameras are not for everyone, even some pros. My settings are rarely on Auto now, as it was when I first started. I've been doing more photography lately, making connections with other photographers using gear I'm not familiar with, but learning so much. I agree with Ronald that the 5D is probably more like my EOS 3, which I love and that's the one I'll probably be getting (but not until I earn the money first). Funny thing about equipment, there's always something new, something more exciting and more expensive. That's why I think Ronald is fun to follow. He has adventures with his stuff and is never attached to it. If he doesn't need it, he looks to sell it and get something more to his liking. I don't know if Ronald even thinks about anything being a status symbol, but for me, saying you own equipment that you don't use is a waste of money. Anything I buy these days I earned and investigated for a long time before acquiring. The status symbol thing was just a joke. I drive a hybrid, for heaven's sake, and I didn't buy it to go on the HOA lanes either. :)

[zacker]

get Ron, get It! The 30D will work fine but like you said, your a gadget freak and you have some cash...and you need/want it. I think if i could afford it, id'a got it too! Im not as good as most here but I dont care, if i could afford the best id buy the best... why not? its just what most guys do. Everyone wants to have the best..its a human nature thing i think.
-zacker-

[saravrose]

Ron, sincerely good luck with whatever you decide I can't imagine you'll regret or be disappointed with your decision.. I am curious though.. how many folks feel that a 1D series camera are essential for Pros? or if it really just is a status symbol.. I've always had the impression that the glass was more important?... maybe my imagination...

sari

[Ronald S. Jr.]

true..your camera is only as good as the glass you put in front of it....to a point. The reason they're "essential" for pros is that pros have to get the shots. Without question, they have to. A 1-series is the best way to ensure that. Fastest focus, fastest frame rate, weather sealed, etc. They're workhorses. Not to mention, the shutters last twice as long.

[In2Photos]

And what's an extra $4000 when you have a $7000 lens anyway.:D

[Ronald S. Jr.]

Who's this? I don't have a $7k lens. :|

[In2Photos]

Who's this? I don't have a $7k lens. :|

I was refering to pros who have to have a 1-series camera. Mainly sports shooters and the EF 400 f/2.8 L. I wasn't taking a stab at you Ron, nor anyone for that matter. Just mentioning that the camera isn't as big of a purchase as that lens.

[Steve Parr]

He posts better images than most everyone who has given him crap in this thread.

If you would be so kind, I would love it if you could provide a link to some.

:lol:

Seems like the deal fell through, though, so this is all probably pretty moot.

Of course he should get one if he wants one. I think the advice he was getting, though, was just trying to say that the 30D, if popular opinion is any indication, is certainly capable of providing excellent results...

[Steve Parr]

Ron, sincerely good luck with whatever you decide I can't imagine you'll regret or be disappointed with your decision.. I am curious though.. how many folks feel that a 1D series camera are essential for Pros? or if it really just is a status symbol.. I've always had the impression that the glass was more important?... maybe my imagination...

sari

My brother was at the 24 Hours at Daytona. He said there was a vendor there who was selling some amazing photos of a lot of the race cars zipping around the track.

When he asked what camera the guy was using, my brother expected to hear a reply about some high-end Canon or Nikon.

The reply?

A 350D...

[Ronald S. Jr.]

If you would be so kind, I would love it if you could provide a link to some.

:lol:


I know Steve. I have no talent. :rolleyes: I'll have to go back to selling designer handbags on the street.

[Ronald S. Jr.]

A few of my favorites..that I've posted, anyway:
http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showpost.php?p=1581761&postcount=7

http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showpost.php?p=1255795&postcount=1

http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showpost.php?p=862395&postcount=1

http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showpost.php?p=821995&postcount=1

http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showpost.php?p=822052&postcount=1

[Steve Parr]

I know Steve. I have no talent. :rolleyes: I'll have to go back to selling designer handbags on the street.

I did not imply, at all, that you have no talent. What I did imply was that you rarely, if ever, share it with anyone here. There's nothing wrong with that at all, but I think it's funny when someone lauds something which, frankly, we never see. Stop reading into things so much.

And, hey, if those designer handbags work for you, you should go for it. If you go with the Louis Vuitton, you could have that 1-series in no time!

:lol:

[Ronald S. Jr.]

I didn't agree with that statement about my "talent", either (by the other guy). I've never even seen work from the two that were badgering me.

Here's one more, by the way. This little guy had quite the cute attitude, and a lovely song.

85209

[Steve Parr]

By the way, Ron, your shot of the kid in the pile of leaves is excellent...

[Ronald S. Jr.]

Thanks. That's the 24-70L, hard at work. ;-)

[defordphoto]

Jim, I appreciate your comments. But I am one of the first to say, don't buy if you don't need or can't afford. I don't upgrade easily, as I only buy when I earn the money first. But the fact remains that the 1D series cameras are not for everyone, even some pros.

Good to hear the voice of reason. I detest people buying camera equipment for status badges.

[Ronald S. Jr.]

Well, I was going to buy because I thought it would help me. I think we can all agree that while I may be able to do the job with my 30D, the 1DMKII would do it ultimately better. For me, it wasn't about status symbols or anything...if that were the case, I'd get the N or the 1DsMkII.

[MazerRakhm]

By the way, Ron, your shot of the kid in the pile of leaves is excellent...

Agreed, that one is very nice.

[mrclark321]

I didn't agree with that statement about my "talent", either (by the other guy). I've never even seen work from the two that were badgering me.

Here's one more, by the way. This little guy had quite the cute attitude, and a lovely song.

85209

Ron this also an excellent shot.
You have to quit yappin and start snappin. ;)
Lets see some more of these great shots.

Dan

[saravrose]

hey Ron, I've seen a couple of those.. but, are you some closet shooter who doesn't like to share??.. seriously, why not post more? just curious.. I like your kid pictures by the way..

sari

[jj1987]

Riiiiggghhhttt...:rolleyes: :lol: Go ahead and have fun with this...

jj1987: Be careful...This thread is on the radar. Flaming or trolling will shut this puppy down in a heartbeat. :)
I wasnt trolling, I just posted my openion where it was needed. ;)

[Ronald S. Jr.]

hey Ron, I've seen a couple of those.. but, are you some closet shooter who doesn't like to share??.. seriously, why not post more? just curious.. I like your kid pictures by the way..

sari

Honestly? No. I don't like to share. Also, unless I've got something I think someone will really love or have a genuine interest in, I don't bother. I've got tens of thousands of shots on my hard drive, and that's where they shall stay. I guess I just never saw the point in sharing unless it's something I'm insanely proud of, or not sure of.

[Ronald S. Jr.]

If I'm not getting paid for the shots, and they're for my own enjoyment, why ask for C&C if I already like them? If the shot is crucial, I might ask for a critique, but I haven't needed to yet. All customers (95%+) have been very happy. Leads me to believe I know what's good and what isn't.

[zacker]

Honestly? No. I don't like to share. Also, unless I've got something I think someone will really love or have a genuine interest in, I don't bother. I've got tens of thousands of shots on my hard drive, and that's where they shall stay. I guess I just never saw the point in sharing unless it's something I'm insanely proud of, or not sure of.

I can see your point Ron.. lets face it, I am guilty of this too.. there are alot of shots posted here for just the simple reason as we want to hear everyone say it good. Heck, I know I do that.. its an Ego Boost!

Ron, love the shot of the two kids.. the PS'd one.. excellent
-zacker-

[GSH]

If you can't track race horses with a 30D and 70-200 IS then i would suggest that what you need is not a 1DMk2, but practice.

I've shot airshows and Motorsports with the 300D and for the last couple of years the 20D, with lenses ranging from the Sigma 135-400 thru to the Canon 100-400L and Sigma 120-300 and found them more than capable.

Horses race at what, 30-40mph? I suggest you get to a race before the big event, or if there's any stables or riding schools nearby ask if they want some free shots in return for a chance to practice.

A Mk2 would be nice, but for this job you don't need it.

[Ronald S. Jr.]

Once again, the question was not whether I need it or not.

[GSH]

Fair enough, do whatever makes you happy.

No doubt it'll end up being sold in a month or 2 anyway ;)

[Ronald S. Jr.]

I'm not getting one now anyway, as I said. The first guy sold his local despite already having offered it to me. He won't get any money from me ever again. That's rude. #2 guy wanted a fortune, so he's out, too. I decided to grab a 16-35L with the extra. I don't need it, but hell...I didn't need the MkII either, right? ;-)

[GSH]

I didn't need the MkII either, right? ;-)


Correct, finally you see a bit of sense.

Now go spend your cash on something sensible, like women and drink :)

[condyk]

Gear, gear, gear ... fear, fear, fear! What a bore these kinds of threads are to me ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ ! If the World Cup wasn't on TV to interest me I fear I'd have fallen asleep trying to read through it :lol: :lol:

[Ronald S. Jr.]

Best not to read things that you have no interest in, no?

[condyk]

Best not to read things that you have no interest in, no?

Well one then runs risk of only ever having a very, very, very small and limited worldview. I prefer to take the risk that I may now and again learn something or enjoy something from this kind of thread. On this occasion I am afraid I was mistaken ... but I continue to be optimistic :D

[Ronald S. Jr.]

Fortunately for you...


Next week, on "Gear Hunter"- Junior sets off in search of more useless equipment, only to run head first into a sparkling 16-35L. Stay tuned!

[blonde]

man i can't wait!!! that sounds like a great episode!! :)

[MazerRakhm]

Next week, on "Gear Hunter"- Junior sets off in search of more useless equipment, only to run head first into a sparkling 16-35L. Stay tuned!


[Begin Steve Irwin Crock Hunter Voice]
Today, I'm hunting the elusive 16-35L...
Danger, danger, danger! Oh, she's cranky, and sharp too!
I'll need to put a protective UV coating over her front element...
[/voice]

[JAZZ D.P.G.]

Oh lord (invective, not religious), this is one of the threads not to miss:lol:

If the first guy won't answer soon, probably blowing you off. Too bad the second guy was a wanker.

If you want and can afford, go for it!!!!!! Status symbol be damned:evil: :evil: It will be purchased with good reasons by you. If the equipment gives you a comfort level you feel will help.

Closet shooter who doesn't post many pictures:evil: I resemble that remark:evil: I just don't, no desire to expose myself (pun intended). Does'nt (sp?) mean anything. Certainly not to do with my equipment or what I want to do.

I use the D60, but have a strong desire for the 5D. Not so much need, I want to work with full frame. Does that make me a status hunter? No, the POTN neck straps do more for that (or the white lens:lol: :lol: ). the D60 does quite well, but will the 5D do better? Uh, yeah:D

Ron, I've followed a lot of your comments and threads, your true to you.

[Steve Parr]

I'm not getting one now anyway, as I said. The first guy sold his local despite already having offered it to me. He won't get any money from me ever again. That's rude.

Is there even a remote chance that seller #1 got the impression that you were dragging your feet on the deal? You never know; he may have been in a position where he needed to sell it fast, and someone else was quicker on the draw...

[Ronald S. Jr.]

Nah..I kept telling him I had the cash and the 30D ready. I told him that BEFORE he left for vacation. He said he wanted to take it with him for a family thing. Right before he should have gotten back, I left a pm and an e-mail reminding him that I was still interested and ready to deal. He had basically promised it to me ("It's yours"). That's why I'm so upset.