PETITION for Digital Rebel/300D/Kiss firmware update for foc

[Carbon]

****I've started a separate thread here:
http://www.photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=18170
to discuss the pros and cons of these requests. This thread is for posting your support of these feature inclusions ONLY. Thanks for being respectful.****

The Digital Rebel/300D/Kiss Digital is an excellent camera hindered by questionable feature exclusions.

This petition is for Canon to know how important it is for us Digital Rebel users to have some basic features essential for successful photography.

In the next Digital Rebel/300D/Kiss Digital firmware revision, we strongly ask that Canon include the following features:

1. User selectable One Shot, AI Servo and AI Focusing modes. This feature can be accessed through the camera's main menu system.
2. A user selectable mirror lockup option accessed through the main menu. With the added slap of the Digital Rebel's reflex mirror, this feature is essential for long exposures.
3. User selectable focus lock through use of the "*" button. This is Custom Function 4 on the EOS-10D
4. User selectable exposure modes through the main menu: Evaluative, Partial and Center Weighted Average options.
5. User selectable flash exposure compensation.

The Digital Rebel/300D/Kiss Digital already has the vast majority of this functionality built-in, but it is not controllable by users. We feel that Canon should allow all of its D-SLR customers the creative control over these features rather than artificially hobbling the Digital Rebel/300D/Kiss Digital.

If you support these inclusions, please post here along with if you own a Digital Rebel/300D/Kiss Digital, intend on purchasing a Digital Rebel/300D/Kiss Digital in the future, or intend on NOT purchasing a Digital Rebel/300D/Kiss Digital due to these feature omissions.

We're not asking for expert analysis, advice or recommendations here.

We're just asking for your support. If you can't give it, then thanks for your time, and please feel free to post in the separate discussion thread.

[Guillermo Freige]

I agree, but please don't forget flash exp.compensation. Due to the annoying tendency to underexpose some flash shots, it's a very needed feature.

[bfaust]

These things keep me from buying a Rebel 300D altogether. I hope they will make some changes. Also I think flash compensation is a must I think.

[HoldenMan]

I support, and I'm planning on buying the 300D in the near future

[robertwgross]

This comment is intended to be constructive.

All I can say is that you guys simply do not understand product marketing. If Canon included that entire wishlist of features into the Digital Rebel, then that would KILL the 10D sales, and Canon is not stupid enough to do that.

Go take a marketing class and learn the difference between cost-based pricing versus value-based pricing.

If you had wanted the extra features, then you would have purchased the 10D.

Geez!

---Bob Gross---

[Carbon]

robertwgross wrote:
This comment is intended to be constructive.

All I can say is that you guys simply do not understand product marketing. If Canon included that entire wishlist of features into the Digital Rebel, then that would KILL the 10D sales, and Canon is not stupid enough to do that.

Go take a marketing class and learn the difference between cost-based pricing versus value-based pricing.

If you had wanted the extra features, then you would have purchased the 10D.

Geez!

---Bob Gross---
Bob,

How could a comment as insulting and condescending as yours be considered constructive? Perhaps your disclaimer is sarcastic in nature. Obviously, you don't want to respect our wishes to place comments in the comment thread. It's no problem, just a little extra work to delete your post before sending it to Canon.

The 10D is also not a problem. It will be replaced by Canon in just a few months (how long did the D30 and D60 last? Time for the 10D is ticking, which is the fate for all electronics), and then the feature set we've so politely requested will simply give the Digital Rebel a further edge over competing products in that market segment.

The problem, Bob, is that your market vision is just limited to current Canon products like the Rebel and 10D, when in reality, Canon must compete in an increasingly crowded segment with new entries from Nikon, Olympus, Sony and Pentax. Canon isn't stupid, and they know this. These updates will take time to develop and test. By the time they're ready, the 10D will be history, and its successor will be vastly superior to the Digital Rebel. Then, they can add the features to the currently shipping Digital Rebels and make the update available to the public for existing Digital Rebels. That's what we're asking from Canon.

Anyhow, my comments are intended to be constructive :)

[Webster]

I must be missing something here, because I simply don't understand how a discussion forum could be considered a petition, nor how discussing things in this discussion forum thread could be considered a lack of respect. True, discussions such as this are not respecting the request for agreement, but a request to limit a thread to expressions of agreement flies in the face of all normally accepted norms of online conduct. And refusing to respect such a request could hardly be considered being disrespectful.

Also, if you edit this thread before sending it to Canon, be sure to inform them that you have done so. Anything else would be disingenuous.

[robertwgross]

Carbon wrote:
Bob,

How could a comment as insulting and condescending as yours be considered constructive? Perhaps your disclaimer is sarcastic in nature. Obviously, you don't want to respect our wishes to place comments in the comment thread. It's no problem, just a little extra work to delete your post before sending it to Canon.

The 10D is also not a problem. It will be replaced by Canon in just a few months (how long did the D30 and D60 last? Time for the 10D is ticking, which is the fate for all electronics), and then the feature set we've so politely requested will simply give the Digital Rebel a further edge over competing products in that market segment.

The problem, Bob, is that your market vision is just limited to current Canon products like the Rebel and 10D, when in reality, Canon must compete in an increasingly crowded segment with new entries from Nikon, Olympus, Sony and Pentax. Canon isn't stupid, and they know this. These updates will take time to develop and test. By the time they're ready, the 10D will be history, and its successor will be vastly superior to the Digital Rebel. Then, they can add the features to the currently shipping Digital Rebels and make the update available to the public for existing Digital Rebels. That's what we're asking from Canon.

Anyhow, my comments are intended to be constructive

My comments were not meant to be condescending nor insulting nor sarcastic. I believe that the original posting was a major troll activity on somebody's part. It is difficult for me to believe that anybody could be so naive about product marketing. _THIS_ is the comment thread, and my comments are here. My product vision does not extend beyond Canon, Nikon, Pentax, and Olympus.

---Bob Gross---

[Carbon]

robertwgross wrote:

My comments were not meant to be condescending nor insulting nor sarcastic. I believe that the original posting was a major troll activity on somebody's part. It is difficult for me to believe that anybody could be so naive about product marketing. _THIS_ is the comment thread, and my comments are here...

---Bob Gross---


Well, Bob, they were condescending and insulting. If that was not your intent, then I guess everyone I've shown it to has misinterpreted your message, as well.

And you're dead wrong, Bob.
THIS: http://www.photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=18170
is the comment thread. Everyone else has figured it out and respectfully posted there. Why can't you?

[bluebomberx]

Regardless of how many signatures you get, Canon won't introduce those features in the Digital Rebel via firmware or any other method. Bob is right. It cost $900 and lacks certain features for a reason. They want you to pay a higher price to get those features in the 10D. Keep your fingers crossed and maybe it will happen in a future generation of the Digital Rebel.

[robertwgross]

My suggestion would be to let the original poster head down the garden path. It could be an educational process. Unfortunately, all of the jabber takes up a lot of bandwidth on this forum.

---Bob Gross---

[Carbon]

Hot thread!

Discussion continues here:
http://www.photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=18170

Post if you support the petition here on this thread.

[petiot]

regarding the first post (i didnt bother reading the rest to be honest)

this post is useless as far as i can bother thinking about it. why didnt you buy a 10D instead of you rebel!!!. you knew the difference between the two camera, didnt you? you knew that canon made the rebel for people who didnt need "advanced features"?

so what the point of you post? you regret your buy? then you should have think about it before. Sincerely, canon is a serious company that provide a wide variety innovative products. Is you as a cusotmer are unable to make the choice that correspond to your needs, at least dont go back to canon with a such claim.

Dan

PS i had a look at the posts finally. i am sorry for you Carbon. because despite some people trying to be polite and constructive (thanks Mr RobertwGross) in explaining to you that your post have no point in even being written down, you dont seem to understand. Damn i wonder why i even got myself caught in such a ridiculous post.

[minicooper]

I agree with Dan and Bob.

If you want all these things, buy a 10D for goodness sake! From where I see it, what you are saying is "I would like the features of a 10D, but I don't want to pay for them".

If you are bothered enough by the lack of these features, you wouldn't mind spending a couple of hundred more £££.

If you can live with the fewer features of the 300D then buy it. If not, then buy the 10D. It's as simple as that.

Tom

[Dale]

I agree with Dan, Bob, and Tom.

[Littlebike]

I agree with Dan, Bob, Tom, and Dale

-dale

[reggie0326]

I whole heartly agree that these features should have been included with the Drebel, which I do own and love. As a repeat Cannon customer(G1,G2 & Dreb), I would love to see these features in the next Firmware upgrade. And as far as I'm concerned having these features included would not have had an impact as to me purchasing the 10D. I did NOT have the extra $500.00 to spend for the 10D body when I brought the Drebel. Also I did not at purchase time have any Canon lenses to go with it, so for me to go out and purchase the 10D would have cost me close to $2000.00(10D and decent Canon lens), which was out of the ballpark for a newbe like me. I beleive this is the market niche Canon was aiming for. The Dreb plus lens for $1000.00 a least put me in the Dslr game. If it were not for the Dreb I would still be using my G2. So as you can see the Dreb has a whole different customer base than the 10D. Now that I'm in the DSLR game, hopefully for life, Canon NEEDS to keep repeat customers happy, otherwise companies like Nikon can steal us away.
Thanks,
Reggie.

[Orogeny]

I also agree with Bob et al. I don't own the 10D (although I am willing to accept any donations!) nor the DR, but I plan to buy the DR probably after Christmas. There is always a trade off of features -vs- price. I don't expect to have the benefit of a 10D for $1,000.

Tim

[mickeyjuice]

Forums often have truly dumb threads, but this is clearly in the upper echelons of that pantheon.

[ilya]

I also agree with Dan, Bob et al.

Does anyone believe that Canon would accidentally forget to include these features? Hardly. Its positioning and differentiation, pure and simple.

[BruceMcL]

What may be overlooked somewhat in this discussion is the possibility that some or all of the requested features may be hardware limited and not just software (firmware) issues.

Somewhat stripped down or performance limited products are certainly not limited to the photography sphere. If Canon included the requested features in the Rebel (assuming it was possible) then it would be a 10D and not a Rebel to all intents and purposes except for the enternal body composition. That is not likely to happen.

I think we should be grateful that the essential features (picture quality) are present in the Rebel. As it is, I think it is a very functional tool and a great opportunity for one to get their feet wet in digital photography. If the feature set proves too limiting, one can always upgrade later. At least that's what influenced my decision to purchase a Rebel.

The 10D and the Rebel are just aimed at different segments of the market. I don't see anything wrong with that.

[Sketcher]

*EDIT*

Out of respect for the "Petition", I've moved my post to the "Discussion" thread reqarding the, eh, feature requests for the 300D.

[iwatkins]

I read this initial post and thought "What, just go and buy a 10D ?".

OK, I can see both sides of the arguement and if Canon listen and can technically give you what you ask, that is all great. However, I don't belive they will do it.

The 300D is a 10D with cut down features and a different body as I see it. OK, some mechanicals are different as well, but as comparisons go, the 10D is the 300's closest familiy member.

This has all been said, but companies have this policy of having a family of products to suit all markets and pockets. That is commerce. I simply cannot see Canon doing software changes that will muddy these clear product family distinctions, it simply is not good for business.

Brand loyalty is actually very strong in the SLR / DSLR markets and has been for years. I saw a survey from Jessops (I think) a few months ago that states that 92% of SLR (be it film or digi) owners next camera body purchase is from the same maker. This was thought to be mainly due to the collection of lenses that owners build up.

I certainly can't see that a threat of people going elsewhere for their camera bodies will scare anyone into adding features that were not on the original spec.

Anyway, do you reckon Canon would add all the features that the EOS 1Ds has to my 10D ? ;)

Cheers

Ian

[ilya]

I'd really really really like Canon to turn the G2 into an SLR - and keep price points the same. Just a firmware tweak, and maybe a touch of hardware mods, no big. :D

[evilenglishman]

--

[NickC]

Maybe "a simple firmware tweak" is not possible. To get the digital Rebel down to a certain cost, they may have cheaped out on non-mechanical parts like processor, RAM, etc. It could be that the electronics can only stand so many features.

I work in the computer industry (testing AirPort base stations for Apple), I know that component choices limit what features can go in the thing. There's only so much room for software code in a firmware chip.

Of course, I don't know if component or hardware limitations apply in the case of the digital Rebel, but it's a possibility.

[CyberDyneSystems]

I Concur!

With;

Bob, Dan, Tom, Dale, orogeny, Ilya, and EvilEnglishman :D

I want a firmware upgrade that will give my Chevy Lumina the horsepower and handling of a Chevy Corvette. But I don't want to pay for the upgrade.

Any other lumina owners who want to sign the petition?

Really Carbon,..
Evrything I've read in this thread has been quite reasonabe and delicate.

[AliasMoze]

The DRebel is essentially a stripped-down version of the 10D. It seems that enabling the features listed above would, in effect, make the DRebel a 10D, but smaller and with a plastic body. It's not a matter of whether Canon SHOULD make the suggested firmware upgrades; they just won't. The unit is selling like hotcakes in a country where hotcakes were previously illegal. Where's the motivation?

And, BTW Bob, your comment was a tad condescending. I think it was the "go to marketing class" part :)

[AliasMoze]

Oh, and an alternative would be having an engineer figure out the firmware (reverse-engineer, I mean) and see what features he could enable. Such activity would undoubtedly void the warranty, but it would be akin to overclocking a processor or hacking a Tivo. If you want results, that's what you should organize.

[stormbikes]

--Out of respect for the "Petition", I've moved my post to the "Discussion" thread reqarding the, eh, feature requests for the 300D.--



this thread or "petition" or whatever you want to call
it doesn't deserve any respect !!
there's an old saying that goes something like this -
"if you pay peanuts - you get monkeys"

if one wants the features of a 10D then they should
pay for one!

how ridiculous this thread is


paul

[ilya]

stormbikes wrote:

this thread or "petition" or whatever you want to call
it doesn't deserve any respect !!
there's an old saying that goes something like this -
"if you pay peanuts - you get monkeys"

if one wants the features of a 10D then they should
pay for one!

how ridiculous this thread is


paul


Ahh - ridiculous or .... let me pose another scenario... a clever rouse by Carbon which got 900 hits and 70 replies on this topic ...clearly a subtle attempt to liven things up around here :D.

[phidong]

Oh man. You gotta be kidding me. :x I bought a digital rebel and I'm happy with it. I knew the features that would be missing, and I can live with that.

This is not the solution.

The solution for you, if you want those features is to buy a more expensive camera, buy a used 10D, wait and pick up a deal and get the 10D for 1200-1300 dollars.

Petitioning Canon will not do anything. There are far too many people happy with the Digital Rebel that don't even know about the missing features. Thats the point. Canon specifically marketed this camera as a super entry-level DSLR for Mr. Jones down the street that uses his film SLR in auto mode. Will Mr. Jones miss mirror lock-up? No. He doesn't even know what it is.

Did Canon take a 10D and cripple its features? Yes. Could they have given the Digital Rebel the same features as the 10D and kept the price? Yes. Did they? No. Why? Because they are a smart marketing company. Giving the Digital Rebel similar features would bite into the 10D's market which is still growing rapidly. The Digital Rebel does a lot of things.. 1) Sells cameras.. 2) Gets people instrested in DSLRS 3) Gets people who are intrested in DSLRS but want something more powerful to get a 10D

What? Digital Rebel to sell 10Ds? Yes. I think its genius of them.. The DRebel generated so much hype that even P&S-ers wanted to get a DSLR.. most people never looked at them in that way before but now everyone and their mom wants one.. and they're probably going to get a dReb or a 10D.. not a Nikkon or Kodac or Fujifilm or whatever.. because its great marketing. Allowing the Digital Rebel to have features that the 10D has would make the Digital Rebel like a twin of the 10D .. that is STUPID marketing. For one, everyone would buy a dReb. No one would buy the 10D (which has a HUGE demand right now btw).. Canon would take a huge hit in potential profits from their cameras.. it'd just be stupid everywhere.

I guess you haven't looked at the film series of Rebels.. because most of them don't have 2nd curtain flash, mirror lockup, flash comp, etc. and the last rhetorical question for you.. has Canon sold many film Rebels which are "crippled EOS 10's" or whatever..? HELL YES. Quit whining, return your rebel and buy a 10D . ;)

[CyberDyneSystems]

Sheer numbers,. in the time it takes me to post this another 10 Digital Rebels will be sold.....

[Sketcher]

stormbikes wrote:
--Out of respect for the "Petition", I've moved my post to the "Discussion" thread reqarding the, eh, feature requests for the 300D.--

this thread or "petition" or whatever you want to call
it doesn't deserve any respect !!
how ridiculous this thread is

paul

As misguided or ridiculous as this thread is he actually created two threads, one for the purpose of supporting his interests, the other to rant, rave and discuss. I am only respecting basic forum etiquette to reserve my disdain for the other thread and leave this one to the purpose it was intended; that is, to support it.

Besides, I right well provide my lack of support in the moved post I referenced.

Cheers

[Belmondo]

Whether it's misguided or not, we should probably respect his wishes. I'm moving mine---actually, I thought that's where I was. I should have paid better attention.

Tom

[defordphoto]

stormbikes wrote:

how ridiculous this thread is



Amen brutha!

[Erin]

I agree with

Dan
Bob
Tom
Littlebike
Orogeny
Ilya
evilenglishman
CyberdynesSystems

and anyone else of the same opinion!

[Sketcher]

Erin wrote:
I agree with

Dan
Bob
Tom
Littlebike
Orogeny
Ilya
evilenglishman
CyberdynesSystems

and anyone else of the same opinion!

Roger that. Hmmm... now this would be the makings for a "anti-petition" now wouldn't it? :).

[sam bailey]

I agree. In particular I want a mirror lock up feature. I have already sent an email to Canon. I could not believe they created an SLR without that feature. I have the Digital Rebel

[sam bailey]

Does the 10D have mirror lockup? I didn't think it did.

[defordphoto]

sam bailey wrote:
Does the 10D have mirror lockup? I didn't think it did.

Yes it does.

[PaulB]

Can we 10D owners petition Canon for a firmware update to a 1Ds - or even a 1D?

Paul

[defordphoto]

PaulB wrote:
Can we 10D owners petition Canon for a firmware update to a 1Ds - or even a 1D?

Paul

Sure why not. Canon would have just as much of a belly laugh over that petition as this one.

[RichardtheSane]

I could not believe they created an SLR without that feature.
They have created many. I don't believe any of the consumer level SLR cameras have it, and the Digital Rebel falls into that catagory.

[okteh18]

From these arguements here, I can feel that those mostly in favour of the petition are those who owns 300D while those not so in favour owns 10D. I guess it is only natural human behaviour that we want the most from what we paid for and will not be happy if someone paid less but getting the same thing, if you know what I mean. Of course if Canon updates all the request then 300D will sell though the roof and nobody will buy 10D.

Well, to make everybody happy, maybe Canon can post firmware update for 10D to behave like 1Ds and 300D like 10D. Just my humble opinion...Cheers

[okteh18]

From these arguements here, I can feel that those mostly in favour of the petition are those who owns 300D while those not so in favour owns 10D. I guess it is only natural human behaviour that we want the most from what we paid for and will not be happy if someone paid less but getting the same thing, if you know what I mean. Of course if Canon updates all the request then 300D will sell though the roof and nobody will buy 10D.

Well, to make everybody happy, maybe Canon can post firmware update for 10D to behave like 1Ds and 300D like 10D. Just my humble opinion...Cheers

[CyberDyneSystems]

I think that's a slight misinterpretation.. I am a 10D owner and would be perfectly happy if Canon was able to, and agreed to release firmware that improved the 300D. I'm sure most of us would be happy and run out and buy back up 300Ds as opposed to a secnd 10D.

Wanting "a thing" and believing that such "a thing" is likely are quite unrelated.

[w10d]

CyberDyneSystems wrote:
I Concur!

With;

Bob, Dan, Tom, Dale, orogeny, Ilya, and EvilEnglishman :D



Me too !

Add my name to the 'should have bought a 10D' petition,

discussion,

whatever

[Littlebike]

I want Canon to release an update that will make my 10D spit out a $20 bill everytime I release the shutter. With the above arguments this seems quite reasonable.

[CyberDyneSystems]

Well, the latest 10D firmware,. version 2.0 makes you more attractive to the opposite sex.......

[defordphoto]

CyberDyneSystems wrote:
Well, the latest 10D firmware,. version 2.0 makes you more attractive to the opposite sex.......

I have read several accounts of the focusing being better and much quicker. People amaze me. Just about the time you think you've heard it all...

I'm kinda digging that $20 a shot deal though, Littlebike. Heck, I'd sign that petition. ;)

[Belmondo]

If Canon were to see fit to make the Rebel the functional equivalent of the 10D, that would be good news indeed --- I expect Canon would feel obliged to refund $600 to everyone who bought the 10D since it would become the functional equivalent of a Rebel.

Better yet, why doesn't Canon come out with a firmware update 3.0 that turns a 10D into a Rebel?

End class warfare!

Tom

[NILOLIGIST]

I too agree with Dan, Bob, Tom and others...If Canon would dare make such changes then we 10D owners are due some changes too and it would go on and on.

If you want certain features and those features are available to you in another camera, you should purchase the camera with such features. It is not fair to Canon or the people that purchased the camera with such features to make changes for those that purchased a lesser model.

I don't understand this post or what you expect from Canon but I know that it would not be in their best interest to do as you asked....

Meant to be as is...Not in anyway meant to offend.

NiL,

[Uglyboys]

I own a EOS Digital Rebel and I an very disapointed with the Inability to release the shutter even with repeated attempts, apparently due to lack of focus lock, even on a bright sunny day; failing in multiple shooting modes
See below:

Dear Canon,
Thank you for your reply.
However, I am disappointed with the apparent boiler plate response recommending that I send my camera in and pay Canon to find out if two cameras both have a failure with exactly the same symptoms. It seams more likely there is a design defect or operator misunderstanding. I was after a more in-depth, insightful, and well-reasoned response commensurate with the frustration we are experiencing with our cameras.
I am interested in finding someone within Canon who is expert in the EOS DIGITAL REBEL operation and shortcomings that might be able to make an educated guess as to what the possible causes and potential solutions might be. Please forward this e-mail on to that person or your supervisor. Please address each of my questions as best you can.
1. Is the shortcoming I described in my original letter (Inability to release the shutter even with repeated attempts, apparently due to lack of focus lock, even on a bright sunny day; failing in multiple shooting modes) one of the issues that are addressed with the superior focusing systems of the EOS 30D and EOS 1D Mark IIN?
2. What are the pertinent focusing improvements of other models, including the XTI, over the EOS DIGITAL REBEL?
3. Is this likely an issue with the camera or the lens or the operator/settings?
4. Are there settings that will potentially solve this problem?
5. IF it is a fault with the Rebel, will Canon potentially buy back a prorated portion of our cameras with the purchase of a Digital Rebel XTi? We both brought this to the attention of our dealer while our cameras were under warranty.

The cameras were purchased with the specific intent of capturing images of our kids' sporting events. This apparent shortcoming or defect in our cameras is most dissatisfying. I hope Canon can figure a way to turn this into a positive experience.

Regards,
Mark Smith

Original Message Follows:
-------------------------

My brother and I each purchased an EOS Digital Rebel and a EF 75-300mm
f/4-5.6 IS USM lens. In general we are pleased with the cameras except
for
one significant problem.



When taking pictures at sporting events (e.g. ski racing and soccer
games)
we both are very frustrated when the shutter release fails to respond
apparently due to lack of Focus Lock.



For example, yesterday at my nephew's High School soccer game: in TV
mode,
on a bright sunny day, zoomed in at 300mm, ISO 200, about f8.0, with the
subject moving towards me, I pressed the shutter release about eight
times
and never got a single image.



It is difficult to determine what situation and settings brings about
this
problem. I have tried sports mode, Program, and TV. I have changed the
AF
point all to no avail. I do mostly shoot in TV mode and it seems the
problem often follows pressing the shutter half way to set exposure and
focus in anticipation of action then as the subject moves and I press
the
shutter release, it will refuse to respond.

I took the camera back to the dealer and they cleaned the bayonet contacts - it did not help. A tech we spoke with said the Rebel XT addressed this AF focusing problem.
At this point we are both ready to get rid of the cameras and are compelled to point out the shortcoming to the numerous people that ask about our cameras.
1. Is there a focusing shortcoming in the Rebel that is improved upon in other models?

2. What models have what focusing improvements that address this issue?

3. Is this issue with the camera or the lens or the
operator/settings?

4. How can it be corrected? We have the latest firmware. Are there settings that will solve this problem?

5. IF it is a fault with the Rebel, will Canon buy back a prorated portion of our cameras with the purchase of a Digital Rebel XTi?
We both brought this to the attention of our dealer while our cameras were under warranty. The cameras were purchased with the specific intent of capturing images of our kids' sporting events. This apparent shortcoming or defect in our cameras is most dissatisfying. I hope Canon can figure a way to turn this into a positive experience.
Regards,

[NordieBoy]

Never had that problem with my 300D.

[Skip Souza]

Hey guys. Did you notice that this thread is three years old???