10d dobe RGB and Canon i950

[davekone]

Has anyone gotten decent results printing photos from the 10d in Adobe RGB color space on the Canon i950 printer. When I do this from Qimage or PS7 the prints seem flat and unsaturated. sRGB color space yields much better results.


thanks
David

[scottbergerphoto]

If your prints don't match your monitor you might need to calibrate your monitor with Adobe Gamma or something like the Spyder / Optical package that I use. If you have calibrated you monitor, make sure that:
1. Your file has the embedded Adobe RGB profile,
2. In Print Preview you have your source as Adobe RGB,
3.Your output should be your printer profile for the particular paper/ink combination you are using,
4.No Color Adjustment in the Printer Driver and the correct paper selected. If you don't have a Printer Profile, you will have to select output to same as source and the printer setting that uses the embedded profile. I believe that is usually ICM.
Scott

[Jesper]

You need to assign the Adobe RGB ICC profile to your image. Unfortunately Canon's software doesn't attach the profile to the image.

If you don't do that, your printing software / Windows will assume that the image is in the default sRGB color space. Adobe RGB images look undersaturated when you view them as if they are sRGB images, so that explains why your prints look bad.

[davekone]

Has either of the two respondants gotten decent prints from an i950 using the Canon 10d in Adobe RGB color space?

I have assigned the Adobe RGB color space in PS7 before printing. I have read in a few books that Canon printers will pit flat unsaturated pictures if the photo is using Adobe RGB color space.

David

[scottbergerphoto]

I use the Epson 2200, but the procedure should be the same. Could you post the following:

Photoshop>Print Preview:
1.Source:?
2.Output:?

Printer driver:
1.Paper selection?
2.ICM, No Color Adjustment?

Was the image shot as Adobe RGB or shot as sRGB and assigned the Adobe RGB profile?

Are you assigning a Printer Profile in Print Preview> Output? Adobe RGB is not a printer profile. You have to use an ICC profile supplied by Canon for the specific paper and ink you are using, or a profile you made with a printer calibration package, or one that you purchased in the aftermarket.
From what you wrote that the print looks good with sRGB, I suspect that you are not inputing the correct profiles somewhere in Photoshop or your printer driver.
Scott

[Miles]

I asked a question similar to this a while ago. I have an i950 and have been printing from Photoshop 7 for a while now.

I have found that when printing an Adobe RGB colour space image the best setting to use in the print dialog box is the following:

1) Turn colour management on if not already on

2) Select source space as Document (should say Adobe RGB in brackets already)

3) Where it says "Print Space" select "BJ Colour printer profile 2000"

This setting tends to print very good images from the Adobe RGB colour space. If you select printer colour management (the default setting) then you will get flat colours.

I ahve not tried printing an sRGB image using the above technique and wonder just how much better using Adobe RGB is...

Miles

[design crusader]

Actually, if you were to look at the EPSON FAQs and Troubleshooting area of their web site, it recommends that you CONVERT the image from Adobe RGB to ColorMatch RGB before printing to the EPSON 2200. And, I have found that this does indeed improve the color accuracy of the final print from the EPSON 2200.

Therefore, it would seem to be likely that the Canon site would have similar recommendations for the SOURCE color space profile when printing to their printer.

Definitely ASSIGN the Adobe RGB color space to your image when opening it in Photoshop, and then do your image editing, and then save the final for print as a TIF. Before printing, if necessary, CONVERT the image to the recommended color space, and then make sure that color space is selcted in the SOURCE area of the Print Preview dialogue box.

[scottbergerphoto]

design crusader wrote:
Actually, if you were to look at the EPSON FAQs and Troubleshooting area of their web site, it recommends that you CONVERT the image from Adobe RGB to ColorMatch RGB before printing to the EPSON 2200. And, I have found that this does indeed improve the color accuracy of the final print from the EPSON 2200.

Therefore, it would seem to be likely that the Canon site would have similar recommendations for the SOURCE color space profile when printing to their printer.

Definitely ASSIGN the Adobe RGB color space to your image when opening it in Photoshop, and then do your image editing, and then save the final for print as a TIF. Before printing, if necessary, CONVERT the image to the recommended color space, and then make sure that color space is selcted in the SOURCE area of the Print Preview dialogue box.

Converting to ColorMatch RGB is not an option in Photshop Elements. I find that leaving the image as AdobeRGB(1998 ) and using the Epson ICC profile(SP2200 Premium______PK), with No Color Adjustment in the printer driver gives beautiful colors that are virtually identical to my monitor. This is the same procedure that I and Miles above have suggested. I would like to know what you and the original thread starter are using as your Output Profile.
Scott

[design crusader]

I think Davekone mentioned PS7 (not Elements) and a Canon printer in the original thread.

However, if someone was using the EPSON 2200 and they are printing on EPSON Premium Luster Photo Paper, then setting the Printer Profile to the Epson ICC profile SP2200 Premium_PK, with No Color Adjustment is correct. You would also want to turn OFF (uncheck) both the High Speed and Edge Smoothing options to improve the printer output. I do not know about Elements, but if it does not allow the use of the ColorMatch profile then Adobe RGB would be the best alternative.

[scottbergerphoto]

design crusader wrote:
I think Davekone mentioned PS7 (not Elements) and a Canon printer in the original thread.

However, if someone was using the EPSON 2200 and they are printing on EPSON Premium Luster Photo Paper, then setting the Printer Profile to the Epson ICC profile SP2200 Premium_PK, with No Color Adjustment is correct. You would also want to turn OFF (uncheck) both the High Speed and Edge Smoothing options to improve the printer output. I do not know about Elements, but if it does not allow the use of the ColorMatch profile then Adobe RGB would be the best alternative.

My point is that it really doesn't matter what printer or software you are using as long as you understand what profiles to use where and what to set the printer driver at. Many previous posters, including myself, that were not getting good results initially when using Adobe RGB had one of the required parameters set incorrectly. So until we know what Davekone was using as his settings, we are basically playing pocket pool.
Scott

[design crusader]

true.... true...