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CyberDyneSystems
10th of October 2003 (Fri), 20:32
I just responded to an e-mail asking me the key differences between 300D and 10D that made me feel that I needed the 10D.

I realize this subject has been gone over a few times,. but I thought that the reply might prove helpfull to some.

So when asked what features made the 10D superior to the 300D;

I don't have the specific link off hand but dpreview

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/

( a must see site! ) has a side by side feature comparison. The features that I use often that the 300D do not allow as much user control over are Exposure settings,. and focus settings to name a few.

To be perfectly honest,. I would NOT have known how important these settings would be to me if I had not purchased the 10D. (in fact I have said a few times that if the 300D HAD been available at the time I would have gotten it instead)

I had never had access to such things in the past and it was solely through using an advanced SLR that has these user selectable control features available that I discovered the "KEY fact" that all pros and serious amateurs will preach about ad nauseum,.. and yet they seem to have a hard time putting a simple label on it for some reason. I will try to put a simple label on it though.

The "KEY fact" is this;

ONCE YOU GET GOOD AT MAKING DECISIONS FOR YOURSELF,. YOU WILL BE ABLE TO MAKE BETTER DECISIONS THAN THE CAMERA.

This seems very hard to believe as a rank amateur,. it took me years to get there. (and still the camera can beat me much of the time :D ) But the fact is fact.

This leads to the "KEY difference" between 10D and 300D

The 10D is MUCH more suited to allowing YOU to make decisions than the 300D is. Having these options has made me a better photographer. If my camera did not have these options either of two would have resulted that I can see.

1. I would have quickly outgrown the potential of the Camera I was using and required a more flexible camera to allow me to continue to challenge my skills.

2. I would have never known what I was missing and my photography skills would not have grown as they have using the 10D. I would not have been able to take such charge of my shooting.

In a way you could describe the 300D as a "point and shoot" with interchangable lenses in comparison to the 10D.

Good luck,
and I hope this helps in your decision.

CDS


In no way do I mean to belittle the 300D by this reply. It is a damn fine Camera and a breakthrough at it's price.

I just thought I would share my opinion and thoughts on what it was that it lacked that made me feel that I would have made a mistake if indeed the 300D had been available,. and I had purchased it instead.

Radtech1
10th of October 2003 (Fri), 22:00
One thing that I WISH my 10d had....Remote Control

I got SO used to that feature on my Elan IIe! A small (half a matchbook) remote controller so that I could trip the shutter from a distance. In addition to the obvious self/family shots. it is great for long exposure tripod work where you want to make sure you dont jiggle the camera. Also, I could just set it on a tripod in the corner on X-mas am (insert event here) and get shots with the family more relaxed and uninhibitied w/o a lens in there face.

The glairing lack of this feature (progress?) has caused me to mutter under my breath more times that I can count. You CAN buy one that fits on the hotshoe, but then that eliminates the abitlity to use the flash - AND it costs HUNDREDS of dollars more.

I do not know if the 300d has a remote control as my Elan IIe did, but if it does, I will be muttering even more thinking that I spent a lot more money for less of a camera.

Don't get me wrong, my 10d is a fine camera, and I really like it. I just dont LOVE it, because it falls short on features that my old $300.00 Elan had.

Radtech1

CyberDyneSystems
10th of October 2003 (Fri), 22:20
Radtech,

Man I agree completely,. my old Olympus had an infra red remote and it would really be appreciated!

And yes the 300D does have one :) (chalk one up fpor the D-Rebel! )

Jesper
11th of October 2003 (Sat), 06:25
The 10D is more or less a digital Elan 7 (like the 300D is the digital Rebel). My EOS 30 (= Elan 7E in the USA) does have an infrared remote control receiver. Many Rebel cameras do have an infrared control receiver. So why did canon not put this is in the 10D ??? I can't see any reason (marketing or technical) why they didn't put it in the 10D.... :-(

Andy_T
12th of October 2003 (Sun), 05:00
Jesper wrote:
??? I can't see any reason (marketing or technical) why they didn't put it in the 10D.... :-(


... maybe that's 2.75 $ saved on a component not considered 'citical' that works towards getting the price point to $ 1,400...

Regards,
Andy

PacAce
12th of October 2003 (Sun), 10:13
Jesper wrote:
The 10D is more or less a digital Elan 7 (like the 300D is the digital Rebel). My EOS 30 (= Elan 7E in the USA) does have an infrared remote control receiver. Many Rebel cameras do have an infrared control receiver. So why did canon not put this is in the 10D ??? I can't see any reason (marketing or technical) why they didn't put it in the 10D.... :-(


Looking into my crystal ball here's what I see in the next generation of the 10D:

1) IF remote control
2) eye controlled AF points

and it'll be called the 10De! :D

Belmondo
12th of October 2003 (Sun), 10:42
Of course there's always the LC-4 wireless remote. Granted, it's not infrared, but that can be an advantage, too---it doesn't have to be line of sight. I agree it's a shame they didn't build it in; they did on my G2, and I've used it fairly often. Now I guess we'll be forced to pay for it separately.

Hmmmmmmm. Do you suppose that was deliberate on their part?


(wink, wink, nudge, nudge)

CyberDyneSystems
12th of October 2003 (Sun), 12:44
Absolutely,. why include a $15.00 infra remote when they can nick us for a $250.00 wireless package :D

Radtech1
17th of August 2009 (Mon), 00:34
Looking into my crystal ball here's what I see in the next generation of the 10D:

1) IF remote control
2) eye controlled AF points

and it'll be called the 10De! :D

Hmmm,

Looks like we still have to wait a bit more for eye control!

Rad

electrict
17th of August 2009 (Mon), 12:18
Back from the dead............. Why?

RDKirk
17th of August 2009 (Mon), 12:52
To see how far we have not come.

Radtech1
17th of August 2009 (Mon), 14:50
To see how far we have not come.

Exactly right.

Lots of great advances over time, but some obvious inclusions are stupefyingly absent.

Rad

Scottes
17th of August 2009 (Mon), 15:04
I think CDS simply sucks at foreseeing the future. :D

Radtech1
17th of August 2009 (Mon), 15:46
I think CDS simply sucks at foreseeing the future. :D

Actually, it was PacAce, but your premise still stands.

Rad

Scottes
17th of August 2009 (Mon), 16:07
Actually, it was PacAce, but your premise still stands.
Oops. I would have expected more from Leo.

:D

Radtech1
17th of August 2009 (Mon), 16:57
Oh, Scottes

OT, but I thought you might be interested in a drink I once had at Sharkey's - a now defunct deli/bar at the Beverly Center.

1 shot glass with 1/3 white rum, 1/3 amber rum, 1/3 dark rum
Drop the shot "boilermaker style" into a tall mug that is 1/2 pink champagne and 1/2 orange juice.
Tilt head back and drain.

I never found out what it was called, but damn - it had a smidgen of a kick to it, as well as being surprisingly refreshing for how sweet it was.

Rad

Scottes
17th of August 2009 (Mon), 17:22
1 shot glass with 1/3 white rum, 1/3 amber rum, 1/3 dark rum
Drop the shot "boilermaker style" into a tall mug that is 1/2 pink champagne and 1/2 orange juice.
Tilt head back and drain.
If my rum isn't in a Mai Tai, then I drink it neat. So I would have quaffed the amber rum, sipped the dark rum, and dropped the rest down the drain. Sorry, I'm a rum snob.
:D

bluefox9er
17th of August 2009 (Mon), 17:39
join the 21st century and get a 40d

watt100
17th of August 2009 (Mon), 20:00
join the 21st century and get a 40d
newsflash: Canon has discontinued the 40D ... but the thread is six years old!

Tom W
17th of August 2009 (Mon), 20:02
Get the 10D!
:D

cdifoto
17th of August 2009 (Mon), 20:04
Digital's just a fad.

Radtech1
17th of August 2009 (Mon), 20:14
[Two responses for the price of one!]

Digital's just a fad.

Amen Brother! And those Internets. Thats somethin' that'll never catch on!

[And]

Digital's just a fad.

I'll bet that that's what those folks at Polaroid were praying every night before they went to sleep!

Rad

cdifoto
17th of August 2009 (Mon), 20:15
Amen Brother! And those Internets. Thats somethin' that'll never catch on!

Yeah for real. Who wants to type crap out on a keyboard when handwriting gives you an excuse to lick graphite?

rhuel
17th of August 2009 (Mon), 20:37
You guys crack jokes at this thread, but for me it's very relevant as I just went through this decision making process and these were two of the contenders (also a 350D).

I went back and forth and tried finding as many articles from the past as I could to decide which I should get. I ended up with a 10D and so far, I am very glad I did.

I just got into the DSLR world and I wanted the best my budget would allow and that didn't leave much wiggle room. I somehow even managed to go over budget with a 10D and a 50mm f/1.8 II lens. I knew this stuff was expensive, but didn't realize HOW expensive till after I sold my 40 day old P&S and told my wife I could replace it with a DSLR for approx the same price. WRONG!!

Live and learn.

I'm glad there are old enough resources for us n00bs that we can still find info about our relics.

Thanks POTN!!!