Can't stop LCD review.

[stduc]

I am going to a concert shortly where strictly speaking photography is not allowed. I plan to see what I can get using my A70 however, so I have been practising. I wish to minimise that chance of drawing attention to myself. (Not that I really think anyone will care much.) I therefore plan to turn off the flash, screen, sounds, 'beep', and the focus assist beam as well as review. Now, here's the problem. I can't turn off review! I can set it to 'off' in the menu - but it still gives a 2 second review if it 'thinks' you should have used flash. Therefore every time I take a shot, the LCD screen is going to light up. Bit of a give-away really!!!

Do I have a fault? Has anyone else noticed this problem? Does anyone have a solution short of covering the screen with black tape?

[Matzzzy]

stduc wrote:
I am going to a concert shortly where strictly speaking photography is not allowed. I plan to see what I can get using my A70 however, so I have been practising. I wish to minimise that chance of drawing attention to myself. (Not that I really think anyone will care much.) I therefore plan to turn off the screen, sounds, 'beep', and the focus assist beam as well as review. Now, here's the problem. I can't turn off review! I can set it to 'off' in the menu - but it still gives a 2 second review if it 'thinks' you should have used flash. Therefore every time I take a shot, the LCD screen is going to light up. Bit of a give-away really!!!

Do I have a fault? Has anyone else noticed this problem? Does anyone have a solution short of covering the screen with black tape?


I tried setting my A70 the way you wanted to, and I don't have any review.
When I went into the menu-setting to change it to Flash Off, then I got the display to light up, but only until I took another picture.
It's completely black...what setting are you taking the photos in??
I just did it in Auto to try out.

/ Matz

[stduc]

Yeah - I think the problem is the 'no flash' setting when it 'thinks' you should use flash. I won't be using flash - as stated. I shall be using either P or M mode. Probably M with the distance set manually.

[cA70]

1 probelm, will it be at night? A shot without the flash would have to have a long shutter, very hard to hold, and very hard to disguise a tripod.

As for the camera, i tried it in M, i found that u can turn the LCD screen off, and take a photo and it not apear. What you have to look out for is holding down the button.

Its a feature in the camera if u hold down the button, the picture will be displayed, even if review turned off and the display is off.

Movies, well theres no way u can turn the LCD off for that, so unless u get a black bag with a hole in the front, something small, just to block the LCD, could work for movies 2.

Good luck shooting my sneaky, dont get arrested.

[stduc]

ca70 wrote:
1 probelm, will it be at night? A shot without the flash would have to have a long shutter, very hard to hold, and very hard to disguise a tripod.

As for the camera, i tried it in M, i found that u can turn the LCD screen off, and take a photo and it not apear. What you have to look out for is holding down the button.

Its a feature in the camera if u hold down the button, the picture will be displayed, even if review turned off and the display is off.

Movies, well theres no way u can turn the LCD off for that, so unless u get a black bag with a hole in the front, something small, just to block the LCD, could work for movies 2.

Good luck shooting my sneaky, dont get arrested.

Yes it will be at night, and indoors for that matter, but I'm assuming the stage lighting will be bright enough - but I may have to use ISO 400. I'm also assuming that 1/30 second will do. But I will use the fastest speed I can up to 1/125 when I shall start to shut the aperture. I'm already annoyed that you can't set manual focus with the display off as I think I may have trouble in this area.
I don't quite understand what you mean about holding down the button. Which button and when - can you elucidate please.
If none of my neighbours at the venue look remotely interested in my antics then I shall just turn the display on and maybe shoot one or two movies. We'll have to see. Flash at these events is a total waste of time so I should get better pictures than anyone using flash and I hope that's what the stewards will be looking out for.
I'm not risking an arrest - merely an early exit from the venue! (At least I hope that's all I'm risking.)

[cA70]

What u need to is is proctet all the images uve taken, (easy in thumnail view), then if u get caught, show them and say, here i'll erase them. And do the erase all, and we all know that it wont erase them, but they dont know that!

Ive had trouble with short shutters in a night with lights situation. It has something to do with the eye seeing different to the camera, theres a post on here about it, when i took action shots in a night center, it really sucked.

The button is the 'take photo' button. If review is turned off, and the display is off, and u hold it down after u take a photo, it will turn the LCD scren on with your image untill u let go of the button.

[stduc]

Well spotted Ca70. I tested out pressing the shutter button for different lengths of time and you are (naturally) quite correct. I now fully understand what is going on. The reason I thought it had something to do with the camera 'thinking' it needed flash is because of the way I take pictures. I have always been good at avoiding camera shake until quite long exposures - say up to 1/4 second. The reason for this is I press the shutter button slowly and wait until the picture is taken before releasing my finger. It is this that causes the LCD to come on - as you point out. If taking shots in bright light I just stab the button like most people. I shall have to modify my technique slightly.
On your other point, I shall be happy to actually delete the images if allowed to do so and keep the camera and stay! I shall simply stop taking pictures and recover them with disk rescue when I get home!!!! If I felt really brave I could insert another CF card and do it again!!!!

[stopbath]

I would expect (if you get caught) to be ejected from the theatre, or surrender of your camera until the show is over. You may not get your memory card back.

You may wish to investigate what happens to the cameras of photographers caught snapping pictures at the venue. Confiscated cameras may provide the venue with a little extra revenue at an annual auction.

Watch your back too as the people behind have a view of your actions too.

Have fun, and good luck.

[cA70]

'are (naturally)', i think if u do a search, ive been wrong here on many occasions, it was actualy a fluke. It was happening and i couldn;t figure out why, its not like i went looking for that answer.

Whats your secret to no camera shake without a pod?

When the shutter increases, so does the time taken to 'make' the image. So on long 1/4 second shots, u might have enough time to take away ur finger as soon as u see the busy part display. As u know this wont effect your shot in any way. And if the screen does come on, just pull it into your body so the LCD screen doesnt light up.

disk rescue, u smart bugger. Ive still got to get a program that does that, u recomend any? When they were a tpoic on here i never paid to much attention cause i never had a reader, now i have one things are different.

Will u recover even if you format?


Again, they might not be so lienient second tiem round rememeber.

As for the movies, i just played with an idea for u. Old the camera so your palm covers the LCD screen, this will stop it lighting up. Then the rest of your hand should be enough to cover the rest of the camera, be carefull cause u dont have a very good grip.

Using your left hand, put ur litle finger near the flash, ontop or just over, then keep spreading then untill your index finger gets as close without strain to the 'shutter button' (whats the real name for that thing?) Then your palm covers the LCD and your thumb goves over the battery cover doobie, u need this underneath to give your camera suport so it doesn't fall though ur handy, mabey a writst strap like the one that came with the camera?

Then from behind you will look like you just waying your arm in the air, or 2 to look like ur dancing! From infront there not much u can really do, if you start using two hands then it might look sus. U wont be able to see what ur taking but point in the general direction and use a winder zoom and hope for the best.

Be sure to let us know how u go on ur mission.

[stduc]

ca70 wrote:

Whats your secret to no camera shake without a pod?



Compose shot and use the viewfinder. Take a deep breath and start to let it out slowly. Press the shutter slowly until camera shoots. Make no attempt to remove finger from shutter until after shot is all over.
ca70 wrote:

disk rescue, u smart bugger. Ive still got to get a program that does that, u recomend any? When they were a tpoic on here i never paid to much attention cause i never had a reader, now i have one things are different.

Will u recover even if you format?



Search this forum, I posted a link somewhere. Its freeware and recovers from a formatted card. use the card that came with the camera and experiment.

ca70 wrote:

Be sure to let us know how u go on ur mission.



I will, but it's not for some time - I like to prepare!

[cA70]

Did u have a go at holding your camera for the movie?

I reckon it will work, cause it doesn't even look like ur trying to take a pic, cause ur not even looking at the camera.

[stduc]

ca70 wrote:
Did u have a go at holding your camera for the movie?

I reckon it will work, cause it doesn't even look like ur trying to take a pic, cause ur not even looking at the camera.

Yep - it works - sorta! BTW it IS the shutter button, official name - see manual!

BTW (2) Now I'm used the idea I like the fact that if you set review to 'off' you can decide whether to see the image after each shot by simply keeping your finger on the shutter button - or not.

[cA70]

Thats most probally the reson why they put it on there, to save battery and still see the picture.

[cA70]

stduc wrote:
Search this forum, I posted a link somewhere. Its freeware and recovers from a formatted card. use the card that came with the camera and experiment.


Well i did a search for all the things you have ever written, and at 188, does take some time.

What i did find though, ur post on "Reloading edited Movies to an A70", no one ever replied, did u ever find a solution? I'm still searching.

I found your post on the software needed, no need to click but here it is:
http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=16329#86868

Now its time to go play with the standard 16mb card!

[stduc]

ca70 wrote:
stduc wrote:
Search this forum, I posted a link somewhere. Its freeware and recovers from a formatted card. use the card that came with the camera and experiment.


Well i did a search for all the things you have ever written, and at 188, does take some time.

What i did find though, ur post on "Reloading edited Movies to an A70", no one ever replied, did u ever find a solution? I'm still searching.

I found your post on the software needed, no need to click but here it is:
http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=16329#86868

Now its time to go play with the standard 16mb card!



I assumed you might search for 'rescue' or 'recover' - anyway, well done. I'll answer your other question under your topic 'Guess not>?>Videos back to the camera'

[cA70]

That was my next idea, but i figured i new it was from you, i wanted to combine your name and those words but couldn't.

I didn't actually go through all 188, but rather the name of the post's. Cut down quite alot, opned up less than 15 windows i think.

[cA70]

Well i used the program and had a few tests, seems to do the job.

Just as long as u don't start taking pictures again.