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mcolella
15th of October 2003 (Wed), 04:22
I was looking for a way to have internal flash working with highest synchro speed (1/250) with the smallest lens aperture (F8) to get maximum DOF with minimum daylight interference in macro shots (http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=18588) .

I did read about of a way to do it on G1/G2 called "f8 trick" but I also read that it does not work on G3/G5.
This is not true!

You can get the same result on G3/G5 of course with some differences. Here is a little of theory about the "trick" that is, according to me, a normal behaviour.
In Tv mode you set the shutter speed leaving the camera choosing the right aperture. To keep exposure correct, the camera will increase aperture (decreasing F value) as you will increase shutter speed; this is in normal light (no flash). What happens using instead flash? As you enable flash (we are still talking about Tv mode) camera will set maximum aperture (F2 on max wide angle or F3 on max tele) for shutter speeds up to 1/250 (which is max synchro speed for G3/G5) leaving to E-TTL circuit to fire flash in a controlled way to get right exposure. If you select a shutter speed faster than max synchro (above 1/250) camera understand you would like to reduce exposure but, since it can’t fire internal flash at speeds higher than 1/250, it will try to reduce aperture to compensate your needs. It means if you selected 1/500 instead of 1/250 then camera will choose F2.8 instead of F2 (W) or F4.5 instead of F3 (T) just one stop down (as you did selecting 1/500 instead 1/250). This will happen to full shutter speed range leading to have F8 at 1/1600 or 1/2000 on both W and T (should be noted that this process is linear up to 1/1250; 1/1600 and 1/2000 are affected by speed/aperture limitation shown at page 78 of G3 manual).

What does it means?

This is great for macro shots! You can shot at F8 (max DOF) using fastest synchro shutter speed of 1/250 instead of 1/60 (to avoid camera/subject shake due to daylight) still using full E-TTL flash exposition.

Is this helpful?

mpoole
15th of October 2003 (Wed), 08:21
Are you saying that the camera will still shoot at 1/250 the maximum sync speed even after changing Tv to 1/1000?
If so that might help with one of my major gripes with this camera which is no e-ttl flash in manual mode.

mcolella
15th of October 2003 (Wed), 08:41
Yes it is.
If flash is enabled (the internal one), shutter speed will be always limited to max 1/250 regardless the effective speed you set (this is due to flash synchro limitation).
I also use this way to walkaround no E-TTL flash in manual mode.
Here is a table of what camera does in Tv mode when flash is enabled:

Effective aperture
Speed Shot Max Wide Max Tele
you set speed (7.2 mm) (28.8 mm)
1/125 1/125 F 2 F 3
1/160 1/160 F 2 F 3
1/200 1/200 F 2 F 3
1/250 1/250 F 2 F 3
1/320 1/250 F 2.2 F 3.5
1/400 1/250 F 2.5 F 4
1/500 1/250 F 2.8 F 4.5
1/640 1/250 F 3.2 F 5
1/800 1/250 F 3.5 F 5.6
1/1000 1/250 F 4 F 6.3
1/1250 1/250 F 4.5 F 7.1
1/1600 1/250 F 8 F 8
1/2000 1/250 F 8 F 8

As you can see, aperture is stopped down according with speed increment (all but 1/1600 and 1/2000 since at these speed there are technical limitation as shown in user manual).

gandini
15th of October 2003 (Wed), 08:57
Does this work with external E-TTL flash like 420EX?
cheers,

mcolella
15th of October 2003 (Wed), 09:17
gandini wrote:
Does this work with external E-TTL flash like 420EX?
cheers,

I can't test it since I don't have a 420EX unit. Anyway I know that 420EX has got 'fast synchro' feature that allows shutter speed up to 1/4000. I think this feature should be available with G3/G5 too.

Did anybody check it?

dnadalin
15th of October 2003 (Wed), 23:18
You don't need to remember the table either.
Set Tv mode, set the shutter speed to 1600 then press the * button. It will do a pretest and display the actual setting on the LCD.

the_woolies
16th of October 2003 (Thu), 08:36
Excellent work mcolella ... i will give this a try.

Thanks

jyrgen
16th of October 2003 (Thu), 10:03
Thanks for sharing the trick!