Nikon - Canon SLR Equivalents

[BigBlueDodge]

Okay, I'm trying to broaden my knowledge outside the Canon realm, and look at what camera's Nikon has and their equivalents to Canon's SLR. Can someone post a little table to show the equivalent cameras

For example, what is the Nikon equivalent to the 1D Mk I, 1Ds Mk I, or the 1D MK IIN, or the 5D, or the 1Ds MkII, etc.

Thanks in advance.

[kampphoto]

They don't exist.... =) hehehe

[farrukh]

None of them :-)

[Dandaman_24]

Nikons equivalent to canon's 1Ds MK2 and 1D MK2 is the D2X (theres also a new D2Xs coming soon) i think its a 12mp 8 fps camera.

then Nikons equivalent to the 30D and 5D is the Nikon D200, very good camera it is, it has scored better than both cameras in many camera magazine tests.

[Tareq]

D2X is equivalent to 5D or 1D Mk IIN, and D200 is equivalent to 30D/20D, Nikon D70/70s equivalent to 350D/300D.
I don't think there is a nikon camera equivalent to 1Ds MKII yet.

[Tareq]

Remember there is none Full Frame Nikon camera, Canon got 3 Full Frames.

[Dandaman_24]

yes the are NO full frame cameras, but does that really matter in this day and age.

[OdiN1701]

yes the are NO full frame cameras, but does that really matter in this day and age.

Yes.

[Tareq]

yes the are NO full frame cameras, but does that really matter in this day and age.

yes

[Longwatcher]

Lets see if I can remember the order correctly from the last time I did this. Also remember you are on a Canon friendly site.

List based on overall utility (notes on specific areas were better). Cost is a factor, but only a small one.

In order - my opinion,
C - 1DsMkII (at 16.7MP, 1.0x crop and 4FPS it is the overall best 35mm size camera)
N - D2X (only because it will do 12MP or 8FPS (note the word or) does it get the second rank
C - 1DM2N (The best sports/PJ camera)
C - 1DM2
C - 5D (low cost and 12MP FF make this one a winner for landscape/portrait over even D2X)
C - 1Ds (only because of noise and pixels or it would be higher - portrait camera)
C - 30D
C - 20D
C - 1D (only because of noise and pixels or it would be higher - sports/PJ camera)
N - D200
C- 350XT
C - 10D
N - D1X (only because of pro quality build)
N - D2Hs (only because of pro quality build)
C - D60
N - D70
C - 300D
C - D30
N - D100
N - D50


2-edits later as I keep noticing cameras I missed.....

[BigBlueDodge]

The intent of this post is NOTTO COMPARE Nikon and Canon camera's. Both makers offer alot of different camera's, and I read alot of different photography forums, so I'm trying to keep up with the lingo. I'm very familiar with Canon's DSLR, but am unfamiliar with Nikons. So let me change this tone of this. Please fill in the following

Canon Nikon
1DsMkII -> ?
1DsMkI -> ?
1DMkIIN -> D2X (based on Dandaman and Tareq's recomendation)
1DMkI -> ?
5D -> D200?
30D -> D200
20D -> D70s / D100
Rebel XT -> D50
Rebel -> D70

I'm trying to understand where the D1X, D1H, D2Xs, D2X, and the D2Hs fit in, and what they compete with in the Canon lineup.

[dpastern]

Yes.

I'd argue that it doesn't matter.

Dave

[mspringfield]

I'd argue that it doesn't matter.

Dave

I am with you Dave. I have never thought of "full frame" as the Holy Grail that everyone makes it out to be. The MF guys will tell you that what we call "full frame" isn't anywhere close. It used to be that FF was desirable because there was no good wide glass, however that is not the case anymore. I guess I was the only Canon guy who wasn't excited about the 5D.

Michael

[Tareq]

I am with you Dave. I have never thought of "full frame" as the Holy Grail that everyone makes it out to be. The MF guys will tell you that what we call "full frame" isn't anywhere close. It used to be that FF was desirable because there was no good wide glass, however that is not the case anymore. I guess I was the only Canon guy who wasn't excited about the 5D.

Michael

there are people love FF and i am one of them, and there are people hate FF maybe you are one of them.
I am not excited with 5D as well, but i am excited with 1Ds Mark II only.

[SkipD]

I am with you Dave. I have never thought of "full frame" as the Holy Grail that everyone makes it out to be. The MF guys will tell you that what we call "full frame" isn't anywhere close. It used to be that FF was desirable because there was no good wide glass, however that is not the case anymore. I guess I was the only Canon guy who wasn't excited about the 5D.I couldn't care less about the 5D either.

I do, however, want a 1-series body sometime in the future. It isn't for "full-frame", however. I want the "grip" without it being an accessory and I want the more rugged build.

[AnzioBake]

I've read somewhere that there are good reasons why full frame being better. something to do with the size of induvidual pixels on the ccd/cmos

[dpastern]

I am with you Dave. I have never thought of "full frame" as the Holy Grail that everyone makes it out to be. The MF guys will tell you that what we call "full frame" isn't anywhere close. It used to be that FF was desirable because there was no good wide glass, however that is not the case anymore. I guess I was the only Canon guy who wasn't excited about the 5D.

Michael

Well, Michael, I'd rather see a successor to the 1D Mark IIn that has 16mp, keeps the 8fps, 3" lcd screen and a buffer that doesn't run out. I firmly believe that Canon can do this, right now, but without any real competition from Nikon, they won't. Like most manufacturers, they'll rest on their laurels. The full frame isn't an issue for me these days. 4 months ago, I really wanted full frame, but now, the 1.3 crop of the 1D is a fine compromise between the full frame cameras and the 1.6 crop cameras. I could be wrong, but I think all of the wider lenses are ef-s, so they're no good to me with a non ef-s mount anyways. In reality, not having a full frame sensor only really hurts me with wide shots. If Canon has a non ef-s wide angle lens that's of reasonably good optical quality, then the non full frame problem is solved as far as I'm concerned.

Cheers,

Dave

[CyberDyneSystems]

The desire or need for full frame is solely an individual requirement,. so I can't see any valid reason to argue opposite viewpoints. People have different needs,. that's all there is to it.
By saying it's still needed, we are only saying that "I" still need it,.
By saying it's not needed,. all we can say is "I" don't need it.

And in the long run,. the word need is allways a bad choice here, as we can allmost allways "get by" without,
I't more about what options better suit our style and type of photography.

Canon is very nice to allow us the option to choose for ourselves. I'd say that Canon has the right idea by offering this choice, but that's just MHO.

A note on the Nikon D2X,. awesome camera that it is, stating "12MP, 8FPS" is quite misleading.

It can only shoot at 8FPS when it's shooting in 6MP mode.

[davidfig]

I am with you Dave. I have never thought of "full frame" as the Holy Grail that everyone makes it out to be. The MF guys will tell you that what we call "full frame" isn't anywhere close.

I beg to differ. What is the weakness of 35mm? Well its the wide end. Many photographers move from 35mm to medium format because of the wide end. Anything below 55 is wide to them, and I'm not talking about there range. The 35mm wide is plagued with distortions that a medium does not have (at equiv. mm). 10 years ago quality wedding photographers used medium format. Today its the 1DsMII. Why! The bigger the film/sensor the better there work is. As prices come down, they will make that move again.

To further get the point across, if you have a choice between a $1000 1.6 crop and a $1000 full frame with all the same options. What would you get? Yeah I know you'd get the 1.6 wouldn't you?

[CyberDyneSystems]

My take on the comparisons.. NOT stating that they are on equal footings, this is more a "target market" comparison.

Canon 1D/1Ds MkIIseries - Nikon D2X
Canon 5D - No real equivelent- or compare D2X and D200
Canon 20D/30D - Nikon D200
Canon RebelXT - Nikon D50/D70s etc..

Canon's original 5 year old 1D, still beating the pants off of Nikons current D2H :lol:

[davidfig]

A note on the Nikon D2X,. awesome camera that it is, stating "12MP, 8FPS" is quite misleading.

It can only shoot at 8FPS when it's shooting in 6MP mode.

Your absolutely right, but for me. A canon full frame at about 12mp with a 6mp 2.0x crop would be awesome. Think of it, I could use my 24-70 at 1.0x and it becomes a 48-140 at 2.0x crop. I'm happy with that. I think Nikon is on the right track. Pro's don't want to carry several cameras for their needs. By using a D2Xs, you get both a high speed sports camera and a studio/landscape/other camera in one.

[Ronald S. Jr.]

The D2X is 4fps at 12mp, then, obviously? I watched a pro do a wedding with a D2X...the results didn't impress me, but then again, I didn't and still don't know what lens he used. I'm not familiar in the least with N**** glass. Of course, he could have just been a crappy photog...doesn't mean it was the body.

[Ronald S. Jr.]

Your absolutely right, but for me. A canon full frame at about 12mp with a 6mp 2.0x crop would be awesome. Think of it, I could use my 24-70 at 1.0x and it becomes a 48-140 at 2.0x crop. I'm happy with that. I think Nikon is on the right track. Pro's don't want to carry several cameras for their needs. By using a D2Xs, you get both a high speed sports camera and a studio/landscape/other camera in one.

LOL...aren't you describing the 5D? The 5D is about 5mp at 1.6x, though.

[AFcrosshair-1]

I seriously dont want to talk Smack about Nikon.. but we are on a canon forum so its ok LOL.. , The Nikon system is so weird I just can't hold it and shoot with it right away I would like probably have to read the manual for probably 2-4 days to get everything right with that thing cause it has so terminology!! , thank god i dont have a nikon...

[dbiggs]

Nikon has a 2 technical bottelnecks to overcome. One is that their CCD sensor is made by Sony and Sony is now in the SLR market and are going to keep any better newly developed chip for themselves not give it to Nikon. The other reason that their is no FF Nikon is that they are at about the limits of CCD technligy with the size of sensor they already have which already has alot of noise compared to the CMOS chips canon uses and has copyrighted. They can't make a CCD chip FF because the niose livel will get exponentally worse as the size increeses to the point of being unuseable. Nikon may have made good film cameras but they are techincally screwed because Canon has been in the imaging and electroics buisness along time and they make their own stuff. Sony is not giong to let Nikon kick their ass with their own chips. Just my 2 cents

[delhi]

Actually Sony's CCD chip mfg is entirely a different division almost it's own separate entity. It sells CCDs to pretty much all non-CMOS digital cameras. It would be very stupid just to 'cripple' Nikon's CCD to get ahead with their own SONY's camera. Afterall, Nikon buys far more CCD from that Sony chip mfg than SONY themselves. Besides why make two separate CCD?
In the automotive world, especially Japanese car mfg, you can see alot of cross brand components. Mitsubishi makes alot of parts for various car companies. And so does Nissan.

[hmv]

The other reason that their is no FF Nikon is that they are at about the limits of CCD technligy with the size of sensor they already have

Well Phase One's P45 has a CCD sensor in a "full frame" 6x4.5 MF digital back so there's no fundamental technical reason stopping Nikon making a 35mm full frame sensor. It could well be too expensive for the market Nikon aims for.

CMOS chips canon uses and has copyrighted.

Patented. I don't doubt Canon has many CMOS patents, but I'm not sure they hold the basic patent for the concept ... even if they did, they aren't going to not license the technology to Nikon.

[Lord_Malone]

Walmart Disposable Camera > Nikon D2X
Camera Phone > Nikon D200
Polaroid Instant Camera > Nikon D70

[grego]

I am with you Dave. I have never thought of "full frame" as the Holy Grail that everyone makes it out to be. The MF guys will tell you that what we call "full frame" isn't anywhere close. It used to be that FF was desirable because there was no good wide glass, however that is not the case anymore. I guess I was the only Canon guy who wasn't excited about the 5D.

Michael

But 1.3 crop is awesome. :)

Still crops to take away some of the weaknesses in lower lens, but gives you some extra field of view for lens while giving you some wideness back. And of course, it's a 1D camera!! :)