Champ Car racing at the 2006 Toronto Molson Grand Prix

[PacAce]

I drove up to Toronto this passed weekend to shoot the Champ Car race at the Toronto Molson Grand Prix. Here are a few I've processed out of the many shots that I took.

A view of Turn 5 with the CN Tower in the background. This particular picture was shot during practice on Saturday.

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A.J. Allmendinger (#7) exiting pit lane. He won the Champ Car race in Toronto. He and team mate Paul Tracy (#3), who came in 2nd, made it a 1-2 victory for the Forsythe Championship Racing team.

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Andrew Ranger (#27) out of Turn 5. He came in 10th.

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Oriol Servia (#6) turning into Turn 8.

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Alex Tagliani (#15) leaning hard into Turn 9. He came in 6th.

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We had three days of gorgeous but hot weather for the racing event. That was great for the picture taking but left me all sweaty and dehydrated. But it was great fun and I was thoroughly thrilled to have been there!!! :D

[sando]

Love that first one, great shot! the others are good but far too average, no offence but they arent remarkable. :)

[Kevin]

Super shots Leo, your first shot great with the CN Tower in the BG. I keep threating to attend Toronto and Ohio. But in reality Indy will have to come first.

[Aray_Of_Art]

Love that first one, great shot! the others are good but far too average, no offence but they arent remarkable. :)

I'd have to agree, but that one with the CN tower in the back; really great! Something special :D

[Cadwell]

Good work, Leo. The 1st and 4th shots are my favourite of this group. It's good to see multiple cars in shot and cars on corners always look better. I can't see what shutter speed you used, but to my eyes the last one would have been helped by a slower shutter to introduce a little more motion blur in the background. An excellent series.

[IanD]

Great images Leo. These guys move a lot faster than Ospreys, huh?:):)

[Lenzflair]

Ok series, image one is ok but would have been great with the pack in the frame instead of the 2 well space cars. I know that not always possible at practice.
I really like image 4 but agree that a slower shutter speed would not only have helped with a motion blurred background but would have put motion in the wheels. Motorsort is fast and exciting to me images should reflect that. I shoot all my motorsport with the camera set on TV and adjust my aperture by altering the ISO.

[PacAce]

Thanks all for the comments. Obviously, this race was a good learning experience for me. And one of the most important things I learned is that I need a set of ND filters so that I can get my aperture and shutter speed combo just right. As it was, I had to contend with either too high a shutter speed or too small an apeture, even with ISO set to 50. :confused:

I guess all the bright sun wasn't all that helpful for my photography after all, was it? :lol:

[Cadwell]

I wouldn't rush down the ND filter route. Focus speed and accuracy is paramount when shooting motorsport and the last thing you want to do is lessen the amount of light hitting your AF sensors...

[Darkhamr]

I like them quite a bit. #2 is my favourite as the car fills the frame well, you still see the people working around the track and the heat waves are nicely visible adding the 'almost there' quality.

[PacAce]

I wouldn't rush down the ND filter route. Focus speed and accuracy is paramount when shooting motorsport and the last thing you want to do is lessen the amount of light hitting your AF sensors...
I just ordered some ND gel filters for my 300 f/2.8. I'm going to do some tests with them to see how much they affect AF speed. But based on what I know about how the AF system works, I doubt they'll slow down AF speed any at all. AF is supposed to work even with light down to EV 0, and in bright sun, EV is about 15 at ISO 100.

The shutter speeds I was working with were 1/200 to 1/400 and the aperture was already down to between f/11 and f/8 (at ISO 100). With the smaller apertures, I was getting too much distracting background which weren't being blurred out. So I'd have to use an ND filter to go slower in shutter speed and open up the aperture a little more, wouldn't I? Or is there another way to achieve the same results without the filters? Any little tip you guys can provide will be greatly appreciated. :)

[Cadwell]

Yes, AF is supposed to work down to EV 0, but it's much slower at EV 0 than it is in higher light levels.

To quote from Chuck Westfall's famous document

In AI Servo AF, the camera samples the AF detection data at varying rates of frequency depending on the light level. The brighter it gets, the higher the sampling rate and therefore AF performance improves. But as light levels drop off, the sampling rate decreases and a point is reached where the tracking ability of the AF system is diminished. In other words, it’s unrealistic to expect AI Servo AF to track fast-moving subjects as well in low light as it does in bright light.

Again, you may not always have control over lighting conditions, but it is important to understand that there are limitations to AF performance according to the level of available light.

By sticking ND filters on your lens you are reducing the light hitting the AF sensors and in effect making it "darker". From personal experience of trying to do the same thing, this does not help focus accuracy.

I rarely use depth of field to blur backgrounds in motorsport. It's nearly always done with shutter speed and motion blur.

[TCorzett]

The shutter speeds I was working with were 1/200 to 1/400 and the aperture was already down to between f/11 and f/8 (at ISO 100). With the smaller apertures, I was getting too much distracting background which weren't being blurred out. So I'd have to use an ND filter to go slower in shutter speed and open up the aperture a little more, wouldn't I? Or is there another way to achieve the same results without the filters? Any little tip you guys can provide will be greatly appreciated.

With motorsports you can use high apertures, just watch-out for sensor dust. The biggest tip is to pan with the subject. The better your panning motion, the slower the shutter speed, and the more motion will be visible in the background. DOF and aperture only really come into play when shooting head-on (ie not moving the camera much with the subject). A ND filter can help getting towards wide-open, but with head-on shots you don't need to worry (as much) about shooting at higher shutter speeds. When I want low DOF I'll crank things up to 1/2500-4000th, but anything that should look like it's moving (wheels, treaded tires, etc.) will look static - hence I only do it on head-on shots when those things aren't as visible.

-Todd...

[PacAce]

Yes, AF is supposed to work down to EV 0, but it's much slower at EV 0 than it is in higher light levels.

To quote from Chuck Westfall's famous document



By sticking ND filters on your lens you are reducing the light hitting the AF sensors and in effect making it "darker". From personal experience of trying to do the same thing, this does not help focus accuracy.

I rarely use depth of field to blur backgrounds in motorsport. It's nearly always done with shutter speed and motion blur.
OK, thanks, Glenn. I'll try the lower shutter speed approach. So I'm thinking 1/60 to 1/80 should be slow enough to get that bg and motion blur in the corners, right? :)

[PacAce]

With motorsports you can use high apertures, just watch-out for sensor dust. The biggest tip is to pan with the subject. The better your panning motion, the slower the shutter speed, and the more motion will be visible in the background. DOF and aperture only really come into play when shooting head-on (ie not moving the camera much with the subject). A ND filter can help getting towards wide-open, but with head-on shots you don't need to worry (as much) about shooting at higher shutter speeds. When I want low DOF I'll crank things up to 1/2500-4000th, but anything that should look like it's moving (wheels, treaded tires, etc.) will look static - hence I only do it on head-on shots when those things aren't as visible.

-Todd...
Thanks, Todd. I don't have problems with panning cars on the straight-way. It's trying to pan them when they're turning a corner that seems to be a challenge for me because that's when they're doing their slowest speed not to mention changing directions as far as the panning is concerned. But, I suppose I'll just have to practice, practice, practive. :)

[TCorzett]

I'm thinking 1/60 to 1/80 should be slow enough to get that bg and motion blur in the corners, right? :)
For most situations that will me MORE than enough to show motion in the backgrounds. Don't start out shooting that slow, work into it... at those speeds you need to have a very good panning motion to get a sharp part of the car. There comes a point where you need to choose your shooting locations based on what will be in the background, but motion blur can help with the less than ideal situations.

I suppose I'll just have to practice, practice, practice. :)
Hey, some does read the stuff I write in other threads!

-Todd...

[Lenzflair]

Instead of ND filters why not try a poleriser it will cut the light down on bright days to give the effect you want. It will also remove glare and with tintops will allow you see through the screens. Try varying the focusing point as this will also to give different motion effects.

[TCorzett]

why not try a poleriser it will cut the light down on bright days to give the effect you want. It will also remove glare and with tintops will allow you see through the screens.
Lexan screens, that are often used when racing, look really funky (rainbows) when shot using a polarizer... it's also hard to adjust the CP to take out the glare you want when shooting.

-Todd...

[beckybun]

All excellent shots. very clear and colorful. i gotta say i like the first the best b/c it combines the cityscape w/ racing event. great composition.

[ssim]

Just ran across this thread. Superb shots Leo. I really like the second one.