An astounding comment...

[OdiN1701]

From some other forums. Guess it's what I get for not posting a photography related post on photography related forums. I posted some pics of my cat at those forums, and also here. But over there I now have someone insisting that Nikon is better and Canon L lenses are junk. That an identical L lens used on a 1Ds was turned to junk on a 20D, that you can't get good quality pictures from a 20D, and you'd have to move to at least a 5D. That larger sensors are better than smaller sensors, IQ wise, and that who cares about light falloff/vignetting on full frame as long as 2/3rds are good, you can just toss away the rest of your pixels.

And then finally I get a guy saying my photos of my cat are "blah" and that I'll never be any good at anything, etc. etc. :rolleyes: This same guy posts this wonderful little gem of a comment:


"My definition of a great photographer would be someone who changed the course of popular culture, or changed the way people look at themselves. That is not Galen Rowell or Ansel Adams, who at the end of the day are just producing technically competent hoiliday snaps."

I didn't know what to do, so I just started laughing :P



Here's a link to the cat photos I mentioned, as requested:

http://www.photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=191112

[Ronald S. Jr.]

Ansel Adams and his meager attempt at snapshots...who did he think he was? :lol:

Brush it off, kid. Just from them talking like that, you're the better man. walk away. Show US those cat pics! ;-)

Hey..that 420 deal go alright?

[tommykjensen]

You really should stay away from dpreview forums ;-)

[OdiN1701]

Ansel Adams and his meager attempt at snapshots...who did he think he was? :lol:

Brush it off, kid. Just from them talking like that, you're the better man. walk away. Show US those cat pics! ;-)

Hey..that 420 deal go alright?

Cat pics linked ;)

Haven't heard anything about the 420 from whoever it was.

[Seefutlung]

what is interesting is to look at the galleries of those making the most rude comments ... my experience is that their photos really suck. BTW- nice cat photos ... a bit of contrast in the first (at least on my monitor - too bad you snipped off a piece of its toe) ... the second shot shouts "Hey, I'm a pampered cat who wants his/her ears scratched..." very nice.

[OdiN1701]

what is interesting is to look at the galleries of those making the most rude comments ... my experience is that their photos really suck. BTW- nice cat photos ... a bit of contrast in the first (at least on my monitor - too bad you snipped off a piece of its toe) ... the second shot shouts "Hey, I'm a pampered cat who wants his/her ears scratched..." very nice.

Yeah the first one wasn't perfect. Kinda hard to get him to cooperate. It was only a small piece of his toe though ;)

And the guy making the comments isn't a photographer :P This wasn't on any photography forums.

[Ronald S. Jr.]

Cat pics linked ;)

Haven't heard anything about the 420 from whoever it was.

Username svx94 on FM. I gave them a refund, and they said they would send it to your paypal. I gave them the address.

[Tom W]

Invite Mr. Noink to a shootout, night scene, ISO 3200 and then you can compare results.

It kills me how people like to hide behind the internet and agitate others for no apparent reason. And that's what he was doing in this case.

BTW, I like the cat pics.

[Ronald S. Jr.]

I like them too. Actually, I think they're very very very nice! :-)

[Mathiau]

You really should stay away from dpreview forums ;-)

I have never posted there, just read over things, and that is why i will never post there.

it seems to be nothing more then inscure people who will defend their bad purchase until the day they die.

[OdiN1701]

Username svx94 on FM. I gave them a refund, and they said they would send it to your paypal. I gave them the address.

No worries. Maybe I'll just keep it.

[OdiN1701]

I have never posted there, just read over things, and that is why i will never post there.

it seems to be nothing more then inscure people who will defend their bad purchase until the day they die.

Well this wasn't a comment about dpreview...but I don't really post there as I can't stand the layout of their forums.

[tommykjensen]

Well this wasn't a comment about dpreview...but I don't really post there as I can't stand the layout of their forums.

But it could easily have been about dpr :lol:

[MazerRakhm]

Just another reason to stay here at good 'ol POTN.

I like the cat pics btw!

[GSH]

that you can't get good quality pictures from a 20D


Oh i agree entirely. I've never got a decent shot from my 20D, nor have i seen any on this forum.



;)

[Woolburr]

Canon cameras are inferior. Long live inferior cameras! Amazing thing about trolls....they seem to know every single forum in existance.

Nice cats...woof woof!

[OdiN1701]

Oh i agree entirely. I've never got a decent shot from my 20D, nor have i seen any on this forum.



;)

So that's the excuse you're gonna use to get a 1Ds MkII? :P

[markubig]

so what's the forum and his username? We should all join and challenge him to show us his work to see if they've "changed the course of popular culture . . . " I'm thinking not.

[liza]

Or better yet, invite him to post here so we can gang up on him and rip him a new one! :)

[MazerRakhm]

Amazing thing about trolls....they seem to know every single forum in existance.

Think of the internet as one giant bridge connecting people and things everywhere. With that much living space underneath it; it's no wonder that Trolls are everywhere.

[GSH]

So that's the excuse you're gonna use to get a 1Ds MkII? :P

Know anyone who wants to buy a kidney? :lol:

[Col_M]

To be honest, i see nothing wrong with your cat pics, they are great, whoever made comments like that should get their head out of their ass and consider the benefit to their life of randomly insulting people, just brush it off and laugh at them which i see you're doing anyway :D

[theflyingkiwi]

these types of comments about perfectly good photos, goes to show ya how low people feel they need to go to make themselves feel better about themselves.

The only reason why someone would say comments like that fuel there own belief that they know everything about photography and there own ego.

ignore them and then come here so we can make fun of them :) :lol:

[saravrose]

From some other forums. Guess it's what I get for not posting a photography related post on photography related forums. I posted some pics of my cat at those forums, and also here. But over there I now have someone insisting that Nikon is better and Canon L lenses are junk. That an identical L lens used on a 1Ds was turned to junk on a 20D, that you can't get good quality pictures from a 20D, and you'd have to move to at least a 5D. That larger sensors are better than smaller sensors, IQ wise, and that who cares about light falloff/vignetting on full frame as long as 2/3rds are good, you can just toss away the rest of your pixels.

And then finally I get a guy saying my photos of my cat are "blah" and that I'll never be any good at anything, etc. etc. :rolleyes: This same guy posts this wonderful little gem of a comment:


"My definition of a great photographer would be someone who changed the course of popular culture, or changed the way people look at themselves. That is not Galen Rowell or Ansel Adams, who at the end of the day are just producing technically competent hoiliday snaps."

I didn't know what to do, so I just started laughing :P



Here's a link to the cat photos I mentioned, as requested:

http://www.photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=191112

well.. it would be a lot of fun to break up what that guy has written sentence by sentence... but, well, we can all do it for ourselves.... but, I think this guy sounds like a troll.. he's just trying to get a rise out of folks.. I'd just ignore him... But a guy who doesn't think much of Ansel Adams and calls his work technically competent snaps... I want to see HIS work... yep, I would very much be curious to see what he produces..


sari

[Woolburr]

Think of the internet as one giant bridge connecting people and things everywhere. With that much living space underneath it; it's no wonder that Trolls are everywhere.

I never would have thought of posting as providing shelter to poor homeless trolls. Makes one feel rather magnanimous. Indeed...tis a noble thing we do.

[rklepper]

Many people try to make themselves feel better by trying to make others feel worse. It happens all the time. In fact I have had it happen to me here. Just remember at the end of the day they have to go home with them and you do not.:lol:

[Woolburr]

well.. it would be a lot of fun to break up what that guy has written sentence by sentence... but, well, we can all do it for ourselves.... but, I think this guy sounds like a troll.. he's just trying to get a rise out of folks.. I'd just ignore him... But a guy who doesn't think much of Ansel Adams and calls his work technically competent snaps... I want to see HIS work... yep, I would very much be curious to see what he produces..
sari

You know....it took me a minute to figure out who this troll is...but I think I've got it...must be our old hero....Ken Rockwell.

[Steve Parr]

[quote=Tom W]It kills me how people like to hide behind the internet and agitate others for no apparent reason. quote]

It kills me how people get so twisted over another person liking Nikon stuff.

If half the amount of time spent bitching about Nikon shooters was spent taking pictures with Canons, we'd have a never-ending cavalcade of photos here.

Who cares what someone else uses?

[saravrose]

You know....it took me a minute to figure out who this troll is...but I think I've got it...must be our old hero....Ken Rockwell.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: ... that just made my night.. truly. Okay he has been discovered.. It's Mr. tilted photos of neon signs man extroardinare.... Now, we can all very quietly mumble apologies for ever doubting the guy...

sari

[Woolburr]

It was the Ansel Adams crack that did it for me.:rolleyes:

[lakiluno]

has anyone ever actually seen a good ken rockwell pic?

[NIftyBobby]

that's it, forget photography. sell my lenses, sell my camera. buy me some good ol' brushes and paint. Oh hell. I'll go digital!

Inspired by Odin1701's cat picture.
http://img116.imageshack.us/img116/3599/lolololololol6en.jpg
Prints available - 8x10 ($10,000)

Check out that nice background blur ;)

But yea, I'm new and I love this place already!

[saravrose]

has anyone ever actually seen a good ken rockwell pic?

(okay, prepare for a rant)... His images aren't what really bug me about him.. although, no. i've never been really impressed by any of his work... What bugs me is some of his ideas... the most memorable ones were his idea that we should all put our cameras on the 'auto' modes because we spend too much time worrying about the technical aspects of a good image and it's not really necessary... Okay, that comment is annoying... But, I think the kicker for me was when he said that he is never driven emotionally by anything he does.. that his main inspiration and what he really looks for in a composition is primary colors.. Yep, that's it. This guy is famous people do buy his work, but IMO I don't think he's offered much of anything to the public that has any real depth...
(okay, end rant)...

sari

[Seefutlung]

Ken is like an AM talk radio host. He knows he gets more hits if he says something stupid than if he says something that is constructive, helpful and positive. But on the flip side of the coin ... maybe he is telling the truth as he sees it in his little stupid world.

[Tom W]

It kills me how people get so twisted over another person liking Nikon stuff.

If half the amount of time spent bitching about Nikon shooters was spent taking pictures with Canons, we'd have a never-ending cavalcade of photos here.

Who cares what someone else uses?

It's not about what one shoots - it's about their slinging insults at those that disagree, all the while doing so from the safety of their home.

You're right that a lot more time could be spent shooting and less time posting if we all ignored these issues. That applies to all, whether it's the best use of time or not.

I don't think anybody here cares what the insulting guy was shooting with. It's his actions and words that matter.

[DavidW]

Ken Rockwell - the guy who has gone on and on about how he's retired most of his glass and replaced it with a Nikon 18-200mm, because there's no need for wide aperture lenses for digital and the VR makes his tripod obsolete. All the gory details are here (http://www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/18200.htm) (including other wonderful assertions, such as all zoom lenses creep when they're pointed down except at one end of the scale - which is complete garbage - my EF 24-70mm f/2.8L is stored vertically with the hood forwards, so it can creep all it likes - it's stored at the shortest 70mm end and is pulled out of the bag set to 70mm unless I knock it). His commentary on the hood is worth reading, too - see here (http://www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/18200/18200-hood.htm) - of course, the 18-200mm's hood is going to be pretty worthless at most focal lengths, because it can't vignette at 18mm.

Ken contradicts himself pretty much completely in the recommendations of this page (http://www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/70200vr.htm) - if you're going to change your conclusions over time, at least make your site consistent!

His favourite lens is supposedly a Nikon 12-24mm - both lenses are digital only as they don't cover the full 35mm image circle.


Most serious reviewers of the Nikon 18-200mm say that it's not bad for what it does, but it probably isn't as quite good as all the hype says (see, for example, here (http://www.photozone.de/8Reviews/lenses/nikkor_18200_3556vr/index.htm)), quite apart from the constant out of stock situation and profiteering of sellers on Flea-bay. It's a superzoom, after all.

Surprisingly enough, I'll hang on to my Canon EF 16-35mm f/2.8L, Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L and Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS along with my 20D - and I can actually manage the indoor shoot I did at the weekend in tricky low light with flash prohibited that may just finish up with a shot or two in a national specialist newspaper. I'm no particular brand snob - this gear got the job done for me, and I happen to like the strengths of Canon gear.


Ken has his opinions, and he's not going to be swayed. I disagree with him, I find him contradictory, and I think there's better things to do than spend time knocking. You can spend time helping, shooting or post-processing - all of which are much more constructive.



David

[Steve Parr]

It's not about what one shoots - it's about their slinging insults at those that disagree

I've read some pretty vitriolic comments on POTN about Nikons and Nikon users; just makin' an observation...

[Steve Parr]

But, I think the kicker for me was when he said that he is never driven emotionally by anything he does.. that his main inspiration and what he really looks for in a composition is primary colors.. Yep, that's it. This guy is famous people do buy his work, but IMO I don't think he's offered much of anything to the public that has any real depth...
(okay, end rant)...

sari

I've got no idea who this cat Rockwell is, so that's the perspective I bring to this.

Why is the fact that his inspiration comes form primary colors so bothersome to you? What's the big deal?

Evidently, it works for the guy. Like you say; he's famous, and people buy his work. Depth or not, if the guy is making a living and is happy, why sweat it?

I always get a chuckle when I read stuff like this thread. It's reminding of how some people don't like other people who are successful...