So, Who's Interested in the Tokina 16-50 f2.8 DX Pro?

[LightRules]

http://www.pbase.com/lightrules/image/74745372/original.jpg

*Only APS-C standard zoom with 16mm wide
*Constant f2.8
*Excellent Build
*One-Touch Focus Clutch Mechanism [Next best thing to USM/FTM]
*Water/Oil-Proofed Lens Coating
*High-Level Image Quality [Anticipated]

[05Xrunner]

any idea on price

[LightRules]

any idea on price

It hasn't been announced, but my guess is it will be around the Sigma and Tamron price-point: $400-$450.

EDIT: Probably more like $550-$600.

[4x4rock]

That's one nice lens.

Does Tokina has something equivalent to Canon's USM or Sigma's HSM?

[LightRules]

That's one nice lens.

Does Tokina has something equivalent to Canon's USM or Sigma's HSM?

No, they don't, and neither does Tamron. Sigma is the only 3rd party that does (HSM). But Tokie's new "one-touch" mechanism is excellent for a non-FTM lens. Very intuitive and usability in the field is easy.

[05Xrunner]

guess I will have to wait.
I was thinking about the new Tamron 17-50 but I wanna see what this is like

[vjack]

I've been going back and forth about picking up a 17-40L or 17-70. However, I've been telling myself that I should probably wait for this Tokina before buying a lens in this range. I'm still not convinced that I need f/2.8 on a walkaround lens, but I will be interested to see what the Tokina is like.

[LightRules]

but I will be interested to see what the Tokina is like.

The up-side of this lens is huge -- just consider all its perks at its price-point. But the one thing that I am very curious about in terms of concern, however, is its CA performance, which in my findings (and elsewhere) plagues the otherwise excellent 12-24DX [see, for example http://www.pbase.com/lightrules/image/61490236/original ]

But overall I'm really excited about this new Tokie; I think it will be a ringer.

[In2Photos]

Jojo, you know I am interested. I am also very curious about the new 50-135 f/2.8. These 2 lenses will make a sweet combo. I had been getting some inconsistency from my Tamron but I think I found its pros and cons now and can acclimate. I have a feeling you will be doing a review!?!

[LightRules]

I have a feeling you will be doing a review!?!

Definitely of the Tokie 1650. I may pit it against only 1 other lens though, and that's TBD. There are way too many 16mm/17mm/18mm-xx lenses out there to do anything exhaustive.

[PhotoAlien]

I'm certainly interested...it's going to be that or Tamron 17-50, but I'm waiting for the reviews of the Tokina first .

[Petelebon]

This 16-50 f2.8 Tokina will be a Canon 17-40 killer

[Ranast]

Is the Tokina going to be FF compatible?

[steved110]

Surely that has to be for a crop camera only? I can't see Tokina making a full-frame constant aperture f/2.8 for a full frame without the sort of compromises the 19-35 family have? i'd love to be wrong on this, but all the best stuff being produced now is for the APS-C camera format.

[steved110]

This 16-50 f2.8 Tokina will be a Canon 17-40 killer

As long as there is a market for high build quality and an appreciation of the red ring, the 17-40 is safe. Justified or not. It's excellent value and unlikely to be seriously threatened by any number of fast 3rd party wide to medium tele zooms.

I think the 16-35 L has a bit more to prove tho! The f/2.8 on that lens is a very expensive stop of light, and anyone using a crop camera is losing out on a lot of its range as it is.

[LightRules]

Surely that has to be for a crop camera only? I can't see Tokina making a full-frame constant aperture f/2.8 for a full frame without the sort of compromises the 19-35 family have? i'd love to be wrong on this, but all the best stuff being produced now is for the APS-C camera format.

It's the same category as their 12-24DX -- designed for APS-C but will physically fit any body (with vignetting at certain wider FL's). It is just like the Tamron Di-II and Sigma DC lenses.

[Tee Why]

Ah the anticipation.
First off this is their pro grade lens in cropped sensor format. Toke denotes pro grade lens by "ATX Pro." The letter "D" denotes that it's made for dslr sensors, while a "DX" denotes a cropped dslr sensor.
See here: http://www.tokina.co.jp/news/tokina2006.jpg

Second, having owned both of the new Tokina 12-24 ATX Pro DX and the 100macro f2.8 ATX Pro D, I can say that they are really really built well. It doesn't feel elegant, but it just feels very robust. They have a really nice hood that is felt lined on the inside and a great center pinch lens cap (Canon should copy this cap). Tokes make my tammy's feel cheaper by about $200 from the build quality/feel aspect.

Both of the new Tokina's have undercut the market from a price point, so I would expect it to undercut the Tamron 17-50 by a small, about $40 margin. I don't think it would be cheaper than the Sigma 18-50, which just had it's own price lowered to just under $400.
In terms of optics, I find the toke's to be L level of sharpness and also with similar color tone, perhaps a bit cooler, but not by much if any.

Lastly, both tokes have CA when wide open. This improves by about a stop, so I'd guess about f4. According to a guy I know who shoots with a Pentax, it's b/c toke and pentax share lens design but Pentax has a better coating that they don't share with toke. Who knows. Unless the CA or the distortion is really bad, I'd probably go with the toke for it's build quality/feel and it's overall good optics and color tone.

Should be very interesting to see.
BTW, all these 16-50 ranage zooms for the cropped sensor is mimicing a traditional walking around lens range of 24/28-90 or so. So if you wanted one lens for walking around, these should be good.

As for me? With a cropped sensor, I'd still prefer an ultrawide like a 10-22, and a normal zoom like a 24-70, as this two lens combo is more versatile, but it would also cost more as well.

[aparmley]

I expect there to be a lot of hype building up to the release of this lens and then when it doesn't blow everything else out of the water will see hundreds of "Tokina 16-50 v Tamron 17-50" threads so much so that everyone will be sick of them! LOL.

I'm sorta in line with Tee-Why's thinking. . . ultimately, I'm shooting to have the canon 10-22, 24-70L and the 70-200 IS in my bag. . . no need for a 16,17-50. But, I reserve the right to have weak spells and be tempted by a 3rd party 16,17-50 alternatives to hold me over until my bag is complete. . . .

I suppose thats pessimistic but, I can't help it. I also expect some Tamron rebates to hit the market when this lens does negating the small difference in price.

I hope I'm wrong though. . . naturally looking forward to your analysis Jojo

[RikWriter]

Nice lens by the looks of it. I'd certainly buy it if I stayed with a crop camera. If I keep my 5D though, I'll stick with my 17-40L. :D

[BigBlueDodge]

Tokina really did their homework on this. They are bringing out 2 new lenses that are very clearly designed to work in concert together, 16-50 and 50-135 both with f/2.8 aperature. I think people will be buying both as a pair since they fit so nicely together. I think those two lenses will make great wedding lenses.

[Keaka]

I've had my eye on the 16-50 and 50-135 ever since they announced it. Given the notoriety that the Tamron 17-50 has been receiving (check out the MTF charts/review on photozone).. I think it'll be hard to knock them off unless it sneaks in at a lower price point.

Don't forget about the fisheye-zoom coming from Tokina as well :)

[LAvision]

Very interested in this lens. I been waiting for it to come out so that I can compare it with the Tamron 1750. Either lens and my 70-200L will make the perfect combo. I heard its expected around October, correct?

[grego]

Hmmm, probably would make me sell my Tokina 12-24.

[Jaetie]

Hmmm, probably would make me sell my Tokina 12-24.

this really makes the tokina 12-24mm rather useless eh, especially if you don't use it a lot from 12-15mm. plus its a stop faster as well.

[condyk]

I've had a 12mm and now a 15mm and I never notice I am missing the extra 3mm from my ex 12-24mm. What I do notice is sometimes my 15-30mm EX is too short. My only solution from an IQ, handling and price POV is to run the 15-30mm and the 24-105mm IS L together and I am now very well covered. But this new lens starts at 16mm which is fine still and ends at 50mm which is obviously more useful than the 17-40mm L (only reason I have never bought that L tho' it is one of the best!) So, the Toki is looking very promising - wide and good range for walkaround and fast aperture for indoors and decent bokah. It really will be the Cat amongst the Pigeons (or Ducks for the L fetishists). The battle will cover several lenses and I fancy the smart buy will be the Tokina. I also agree about the 12-24mm. A great lens, but I dunno if 3mm extra will cut it at f4 anymore when a comparison is done!

[vjack]

The up-side of this lens is huge -- just consider all its perks at its price-point.

Yes, and this is why I haven't bought a 17-40 or 17-70 yet. If the Tokina ends up being really good, it would pretty much eliminate the 17-40 from my consideration. 16-50 vs. 17-70 might still be a tough call with the 16-50 having a clear speed advantage and the 17-70 having a length advantage.

[LightRules]

Given the notoriety that the Tamron 17-50 has been receiving (check out the MTF charts/review on photozone).. I think it'll be hard to knock them off unless it sneaks in at a lower price point.

I wasn't impressed based on Photozone's test. Yes its resolution numbers are very good, but it seems to stop there. Klaus found:

"The build quality is very decent build quality but typical for most Tamron lenses there's a little too much plastic in there for my taste."

"The AF 17-50mm f/2.8 SP XR exhibited average distortion figures for a lens in this class. As expected there're pronounced barrel distortions (2.5%) at 17mm which even out around the 24mm setting."

"At f/2.8 the lens shows pronounced vignetting of 1EV at 17mm, 0.9EV at 50mm and a little less in between."

"On the downside the extreme corners showed a very strong degree of field curvature at 17mm and a little less so at 24mm."

"Chromatic aberrations (color shadows at harsh contrast transitions) are relatively well controlled except at 17mm at large aperture settings where the issue is very pronounced with a peak of 2px on the average at the image borders."

At least according to PZ's test, nothing really impresses me save for resolution figures.

[flawlessly]

Very true... and indeed. I don't want to process every pictures that I took, it's just pain in the ass. I always try to use as less PS as possible in all time.

[grego]

this really makes the tokina 12-24mm rather useless eh, especially if you don't use it a lot from 12-15mm. plus its a stop faster as well.

Yeah, sort of. I guess if I start doing more wide angle landscapes it would be more useful, but I have yet to do that. I'm more from a photo journalism background and wide angle is important. I don't know. The speed is the most important thing, for me. Or, I'm just not good with wide angles. That must be my problem!

[tuan209]

I found this over at dpreview. The prices seem pretty high.
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1029&thread=19213852

Tokina 10-17 - Retail - 82000 yen (705USD)
Available sept.
Tokina 16-50 - Retail - 113000 yen (970USD)
Available late nov.
Tokina 50-135 - Retail - 138000 yen (1186USD)
Available oct.

These prices seem really HIGH, I hope this inaccurate.

[grego]

Well 16-50 all at 2.8 constant is pretty high end, so being around 970 retail wouldn't suprise me if it does perform in flare resistence, distortion, color, sharpness.

[LightRules]

I just saw that link at DPR...that's a crazy price. $970 USD for a non-IS, 3rd party, 16-50 APS-C? Even a suggested retail price of $970 is incredible. We'll have to see what it actually sells for, but at even $750 USD, it won't sell 1 copy. It needs to be around $400-$450 USD, since it's competition is the Sigma 1850EX and Tamron 1750Di-II.

[grego]

It needs to be around $400-$450 USD, since it's competition is the Sigma 1850EX and Tamron 1750Di-II.

Defintely would need to pray for it to be around that price. :lol:

[tuan209]

I just saw that link at DPR...that's a crazy price. $970 USD for a non-IS, 3rd party, 16-50 APS-C? Even a suggested retail price of $970 is incredible. We'll have to see what it actually sells for, but at even $750 USD, it won't sell 1 copy. It needs to be around $400-$450 USD, since it's competition is the Sigma 1850EX and Tamron 1750Di-II.

Im with you! I rather spend a few hundred more for the Canon 17-55 with USM and IS.

[cjm]

Wow I might consider that lens. 16-50? That is excellent! I found the 12-24 from Tokina to be very sharp and similar to L quality. All I have to say about Tokina is good things thus far. Then again I've only used the 12-24 which was excellent!

[PhotoAlien]

Suddenly Oct/Nov seem very far away. :(

[In2Photos]

Suddenly Oct/Nov seem very far away. :(

But would make a great Christmas present.:D Although if those prices are correct I won't be buying it.

[cjm]

I've had a 12mm and now a 15mm and I never notice I am missing the extra 3mm from my ex 12-24mm. I went to the 17-40 L and never miss the 12-16mm range, I did some testing and it was about 1 ft of difference through the lens, at 12mm it was wide, at 17mm I had to step 1 ft back to get the same wideness but the color and sharpness was better.

Tokina is a great lens but ah...

[vjack]

I just saw that link at DPR...that's a crazy price. $970 USD for a non-IS, 3rd party, 16-50 APS-C? Even a suggested retail price of $970 is incredible. We'll have to see what it actually sells for, but at even $750 USD, it won't sell 1 copy. It needs to be around $400-$450 USD, since it's competition is the Sigma 1850EX and Tamron 1750Di-II.

I couldn't agree more. There is no way I would consider this lens unless it is priced comparably to the Sigma 18-50 and Tamron 17-50.

[kram]

Sigma 10-20, best of the Tokina/Tamron/Sigma 17-50, Tokina 50-135 and the 100-400L. My Dec lineup is complete.....oops I dont have any of these lenses :)

[Neilyb]

After buying the 12-24 I am interested in the 16-50 2.8, mainly for IQ and build. But I am loathed to spend more money on an APS-c lens... :(

[PhotoAlien]

DITTO!

But would make a great Christmas present.:D Although if those prices are correct I won't be buying it.

[LightRules]

The Sigma can be had now for $375 and the Tamron for $430. I'd pay up to $500 for the Tokina, but that's the max.

[Coco-Puffs]

But would make a great Christmas present.:D Although if those prices are correct I won't be buying it.

They better release some prices by October b/c I plan on going back to the States for a few months and I'd like to upgrade my kit lens by then.

If it's more than what I want to pay, I'm going with the 17-70 or 18-50. But the 16mm is so tempting.

[Coco-Puffs]

The Sigma can be had now for $375

18-50EXs are that cheap now? No wonder used the used ones are getting cheaper. I wonder how low they'd go by the release of this Tokina lens?

[round]

They are saying that it will be released in Sept in Asia.

[Coco-Puffs]

They are saying that it will be released in Sept in Asia.

sweetness:twisted:.

[Exit]

Is this lens only for 1.5x and 1.6x crop cameras?

[CorruptedPhotographer]

If it sharper than my 17-40 L, ill happily trade.

3 things are important to me at this point:

Lens build.
AF Speed.
Bokeh.

Im pretty flexible with the above three concerns. Meaning im not expecting a tank-like lens. But nothing flimsy and light like the 50 1.8 II. AF has to match HSM/USM.
With bokeh, im not looking for 85L/135L creamy freshness, but I would certainly be dissapointed with jagged like bokeh.

[BigBlueDodge]

I think the only thing that will hold these lenses back is their AF. I love my Tokina 12-24 but do wish it had USM type of AF. Right now, the AF is a little slow and loud.

[Tee Why]

Just looking around the Pentax forum, it appears that then new Tokinas being released are actuallly Pentax designs that Tokina is making on their own. So I think although the optics are designed by Pentax, they will make the lenses seperately with their own grinding, coating, barrels, etc.

I think if the reviews are good, I may have to get this to repalce my Tamron 17-35 f2.8-4 as my walking around lens. I'd gladly trade the FF compatible issue for a wider end, longer end, costant f2.8, and a better build if the optics of the new toke is good.
The Ca has been a bit of an issue with Tokes, but I'm hoping since this is a Pentax design, that the CA maybe better controlled.

Looking at the Tamron 17-50 and Sigma 18-50 f2.8 lenses, looks like CA maybe an issue with this zooms in the 18-50 range with fas aperatures.

[jcw122]

I heard this lense will also have 9...YES 9...Diaphragm Blades, that would be pretty awesome considering it's large aperature.

[tbrasington]

Any more news on a date?

[jcw122]

Any more news on a date?

I read on another forum also, that it will be released in November for the Canon and Nikon mounts, which is a bit too late for me.

[Reminisce]

I read on another forum also, that it will be released in November for the Canon and Nikon mounts, which is a bit too late for me.

Ugh i hope not, I have a grand sitting in my pocket waiting to burn on a new lens in this focal range, and if this Tokie is what Im looking for over the Tamron and Canon, I'm ready to buy it yesterday.

[jcw122]

Ugh i hope not, I have a grand sitting in my pocket waiting to burn on a new lens in this focal range, and if this Tokie is what Im looking for over the Tamron and Canon, I'm ready to buy it yesterday.

Likewise pal, except I have $500 set away for it. I wanted that focal range for the summer...and if I can't get it a little after school starts, I'll be kinda mad. Might just go w/ the Tamron, sell it, then buy the Tokina.

I really like the focal range, wish they had this a while ago.

[Tee Why]

I e-mailed THKPhoto, the US distributor for Tokina, and they state that they have no word from Japan. So unfortunately, as soon as I sell off some lenses, I'll be getting the Tamron ASAP. Sorry Tokina, you snooze, you lose.

[tuan209]

I really wanted the Tokie, but the wait was so long and I opted for the 17-55. I really think this will be a great lens though!

[LightRules]

I can't recall the website, but someone on another forum posted a link to some Japanese Tokina site and it stated that this lens will be available in November in Canon and Nikon mount. That's the latest I've heard.

[Tee Why]

I really wanted the Tokie, but the wait was so long and I opted for the 17-55. I really think this will be a great lens though!

I agree, the Canon seems like a really nice lens, but it just seems too much money, considering the Tamron. It's not built as nice but the price diff is just too much for my taste.

[Tee Why]

I can't recall the website, but someone on another forum posted a link to some Japanese Tokina site and it stated that this lens will be available in November in Canon and Nikon mount. That's the latest I've heard.

I keep hearing Nov. too, but nothing is confirmed and I personally don't want to get into paying top dollars for the first batch of lenses anyway. I guess tests will roll out a bit after that, so if it's released November, I'm thinking Dec to Jan before I can or would buy.

I hate it, but I keep buying Tamrons for the value and the optics. I hate their build and rotating MF ring. Yuk...

Oh well.

[jcw122]

Anyway guys, this is seriously pissing me off. I want this lense for the school season, and November is extremely late...GRRR!!!

I'm also mad because I'm buying new stuff before school, and it'll total to $1k if I buy everything plus a the Tamron or Tokina lense....BLAH!!!

I think I might just hold off til the end of September, and if the Tokina isn't here by then, I'm getting the Tamron, and hopefully the Tokina will be here within the 30 days return policy time....

Come to think of it, that actually seems like a great idea lol. :lol: :cool:

[Tee Why]

I wouldn't count on it. I just ordered my Tamron 17-50.

[jcw122]

***Tamron prices just rose overnight by $10***

I was on pricegrabber Monday night and the lowest price was $429 at two retailers, they just rose at BOTH places today by $10 making them $439. Kinda strange?

[Tee Why]

No they adjust prices all the time, I have noted that the price tends to drop on the weekends, maybe there is more buying on the weekend and they want to be more competitive or something.

[jcw122]

No they adjust prices all the time, I have noted that the price tends to drop on the weekends, maybe there is more buying on the weekend and they want to be more competitive or something.

Interesting, I'll have to watch that.

[Digitalwave]

Looks like quite a lens. I'd love to see a Tokina 16-50/Tamron 17-50/Sigma 18-50 shootout once they are all available.

[Tee Why]

I think from photozone.de, the Sig may have more barrel distoriton and CA. Center sharpness is about same at excellent, but the corners of the Sigma are a bit soft, where as the Tammy's corners seem to really sharpen up by f4-5.6 or so.

My guess from being a recovering lensaholic and having owned the Tokina 12-24 and having a 100mm macro is that they will be about as sharp, much more robust built, and have a bit of CA wide open at the wide end. More than the Tammies is prior lenses are a clue. Anyway I really need/want a fast lens in this range and wasn't gonna stick around and wait for Tokina to get their stuff together.

[grego]

***Tamron prices just rose overnight by $10***

I was on pricegrabber Monday night and the lowest price was $429 at two retailers, they just rose at BOTH places today by $10 making them $439. Kinda strange?

I haven't paid as much attention to lens, but I saw with the 30D, the price rose and dropped. So I think Tee Why's point is probably right.

Maybe also a way of kicking up sales if they feel they are low for this month's quotas in sales.

Buy as soon as possible when you have to fit a need. Sell if you want to trade in. I think if you keep it in good condition, you'll lose very little money.

[Jman13]

I'm very excited for this lens. Luckily for me, I don't plan on buying a lens for a few more months, so won't have to worry about the wait. If it's optically as good as the Tamron, I'm in for sure, as I already love Tokina's L-class build quality.

[vjack]

Fall 2006 seems like a long time ago and still no 16-50. I'm not sure how much longer I'm going to be willing to wait. I want to replace my Sigma 18-125 with a better walkaround, and their 17-70 just might find its way to my bag soon.

[Jman13]

Yeah, I couldn't wait and ended up getting the Tamron 17-50, which I love. If the Tokina is as sharp as the Tamron, I might be tempted to sell the Tamron and get the Tokina in its place just for the build quality, but we'll have to wait and see. My Tamron is a heck of a nice lens, so the Tokina will have to be good.

[LAvision]

Supposity its already out in Japan (came out the 20th) and will be here May. Hope its all its cracked out to be.

[condyk]

Nikon version supposed to be available now ... Canon in 2 months I hear.

[tuan209]

This will probably be a very fine lens. Photozone just reviewed the 50-135 and it was SHARPER than the 85mm 1.8 prime lens.

Here is the review. http://www.photozone.de/8Reviews/lenses/tokina_50135_28/index.htm

[CountryBoy]

Think i'll just get the Sigma 17-70mm. If the Tokina ever comes out , i'll wait and see what the reviews say.

[dkangel]

Nikon version supposed to be available now ... Canon in 2 months I hear.


Specifically what focal length for Canon? Is this a rumor or confirmed?

[Tee Why]

Well, looking at imaging resource's video log, the Pentax rep says that Pentax 16-50 will be out in June (July to August IMO if you've been following Pentax's constantly delayed releases).

Typically, Tokina has followed after the release of the Pentax version of the lens, so my guess is July or August if the Pentax lens actually shows up in June.

Photozone has reviewed the lastest Tokina, the 50-135 f2.8. While it's very sharp, it's also got a lot of CA, especially for a short telephoto with small zoom range. I checked out my buddies special 77mm Pentax prime lens and it's CA city. Even he couldn't defend the amount of CA and he is a Pentax nut.

Seeing as every ATX ProD/ProDx lens they've made so far (12-24, 100 macro, 50-135) all have had more CA than their competitors, I suspect so will the 16-50.

I like the feel of the Tokina's but their CA is a deal killer for me.

[vjack]

Well, looking at imaging resource's video log, the Pentax rep says that Pentax 16-50 will be out in June (July to August IMO if you've been following Pentax's constantly delayed releases).

Typically, Tokina has followed after the release of the Pentax version of the lens, so my guess is July or August if the Pentax lens actually shows up in June.

Photozone has reviewed the lastest Tokina, the 50-135 f2.8. While it's very sharp, it's also got a lot of CA, especially for a short telephoto with small zoom range. I checked out my buddies special 77mm Pentax prime lens and it's CA city. Even he couldn't defend the amount of CA and he is a Pentax nut.

Seeing as every ATX ProD/ProDx lens they've made so far (12-24, 100 macro, 50-135) all have had more CA than their competitors, I suspect so will the 16-50.

I like the feel of the Tokina's but their CA is a deal killer for me.


Good info, and everything you said makes a lot of sense. I think it is time for me to take a good look at the Sigma 17-70 vs. the Tamron 17-50. Even if CA doesn't end up being a major problem on the Tokina, it is unlikely that I'm going to be able to stand waiting until August.

[LightRules]

it is unlikely that I'm going to be able to stand waiting until August.

I've been told mid-May release here in the USA. See this thread and especially starting at post #21 and on: http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=280510&highlight=tokina+16-50mm

I am still waiting for this one.

[Glenn NK]

If it's as good as their 12/24, it will be a best seller; but it's going to have to be close to the Canon EFS 17/55 f/2.8 optically.

However, the price may be the deal breaker/maker, as my 12/24 was quite a bit less than the Canon 10/22.

[Tee Why]

I've been told mid-May release here in the USA. See this thread and especially starting at post #21 and on: http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=280510&highlight=tokina+16-50mm

I am still waiting for this one.

Don't know about those Tokina/Hoya/Pentax gusy, they always miss their stated deadline. I think the Pentax was suppose to be out already and now seems pushed back to June according to interviews at PMA. Needless, I'd like to see how this lens does.

[LightRules]

Don't know about those Tokina/Hoya/Pentax gusy, they always miss their stated deadline. I think the Pentax was suppose to be out already and now seems pushed back to June according to interviews at PMA. Needless, I'd like to see how this lens does.

Yeh, I'm now thinking, "I'll believe it when I see it (in my hands)." :evil:

I keep holding out for this lens, but I may pull the trigger on the Tamron 1750.

[Tee Why]

You know, as much as I like the optics of the Tamron 17-50, I hardy use this "normal" range zoom. I'm a fan of dramatic angles and focal lengths. I'm either going for the 10-20, the 28mm, or if needed the Canon 70-200.

I just used the Canon again at a re-enactment today and man, I forget how nice this lens is. I may keep this lens after all, unless that new Tamron 70-200 is even better than the L.
Here is my gallery from today. It's uploading as I type.
http://tomyi.smugmug.com/gallery/2621722#138379518

But I digress. I hate to say it, but I think the Toke 16-50 maybe sharp but have a lot of CA, especially since it starts at 16mm and has a long zoom range.

[august23]

This will probably be a very fine lens. Photozone just reviewed the 50-135 and it was SHARPER than the 85mm 1.8 prime lens.

Here is the review. http://www.photozone.de/8Reviews/lenses/tokina_50135_28/index.htm

Nowhere in the review does it say it's sharper. And I highly doubt a zoom of that range would be sharper than the 85 1.8 @ 2.8.

[DerekI]

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1030&thread=22556780

This guy showing some pics from that lens , I dont like those images but they are sharp .

[LightRules]

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1030&thread=22556780

This guy showing some pics from that lens , I dont like those images but they are sharp .

Thanks for that link. It's a nice preview; glad to see it has hit the Japan market. The colors and sharpness look to be at a very high level, very impressive. But a few commenters noticed high CA levels as well. This looks to be consistent with Tokina's latest glass: excellent resolution and contrast, but high CA.

Pricing looks to be around $550-$650, somewhere in there, hopefully closer to $550 when it hits the US online vendors. With the Canon 1755IS at $1000 and the Tamron at $450, this lens coming in at $600 (give or take $50) looks to be priced reasonably after all. Another very interesting note is how the Tamron 1750 uses a 67mm filter while this new Tokina 1650 uses a 77mm filter. For those that want to retain the 67mm size (say to go with their 70-200 f4 or f4 IS) would probably prefer a Tamron 1750 f2.8 + Canon 70-200 f4/f4 IS combo; but the many who own the Canon "77mm" popular size might really prefer this tanklike Tokina with its 77mm filter (e.g., Tokina 1650 + Canon 70-200 f2.8/f2.8 IS or Sigma 70-200 f2.8 or Canon 100-400 IS, etc.). The 77mm filter sizing may prove very enticing for many.

I think it will sell well for those who really want an f2.8 and 16mm lens with superlative build quality. And the colors and sharpness really pop on this baby. I'm really looking forward to trying it out.

[condyk]

Nowhere in the review does it say it's sharper. And I highly doubt a zoom of that range would be sharper than the 85 1.8 @ 2.8.

I noticed that 'interpretation' too ... doesn't say that AFAIC either ;-)

Anyway, the in-shop shots look pretty good to me I have to say. Bokeh is looking promising too.

Problem is if I spend more than £200-300 on a lens I usually want HSM/USM. fast, accurate AF is the only thing I'd spend good money on because I believe glass offers less added value over a certain threshold :confused:

[cjm]

I was waiting for the lens also. Finally I went with a Canon 24-70 L f2.8 and a efs 10-22. I can't say for sure but this $1700 lens combo probably kicks the crap out of the Tokina, even though I am sure the 16-50 is a super lens. And who knows, maybe I will buy it still, try it out, see if I like it and cut some of the fat in my bag.

[DerekI]

Thanks for that link. It's a nice preview; glad to see it has hit the Japan market. The colors and sharpness look to be at a very high level, very impressive. But a few commenters noticed high CA levels as well. This looks to be consistent with Tokina's latest glass: excellent resolution and contrast, but high CA.

Pricing looks to be around $550-$650, somewhere in there, hopefully closer to $550 when it hits the US online vendors. With the Canon 1755IS at $1000 and the Tamron at $450, this lens coming in at $600 (give or take $50) looks to be priced reasonably after all. Another very interesting note is how the Tamron 1750 uses a 67mm filter while this new Tokina 1650 uses a 77mm filter. For those that want to retain the 67mm size (say to go with their 70-200 f4 or f4 IS) would probably prefer a Tamron 1750 f2.8 + Canon 70-200 f4/f4 IS combo; but the many who own the Canon "77mm" popular size might really prefer this tanklike Tokina with its 77mm filter (e.g., Tokina 1650 + Canon 70-200 f2.8/f2.8 IS or Sigma 70-200 f2.8 or Canon 100-400 IS, etc.). The 77mm filter sizing may prove very enticing for many.

I think it will sell well for those who really want an f2.8 and 16mm lens with superlative build quality. And the colors and sharpness really pop on this baby. I'm really looking forward to trying it out.

Only the Nikon version available , not the EF mount version , it will be available in end of April before a long holiday in Japan in May .

[DerekI]

http://www.tokina.co.jp/atx/atx165pro-dx.html

This is their site describing the new lens with date of release and spec.

There is also English version , I dont know why though, in English site there is no description of the lens at all.

http://www.tokinalens.com/products/tokina/index.html

This is the English version .

[Honeybee]

Meanwhile, back at the ranch, I found a Tamron 17-50 for $350 and will follow this thread with interest. I'm too old to wait for November and am not going to spend over $450 for this lens. Thanks for all the info.

I thought lens fever was reserved for "L." :)

[irish1]

I want the lens that took the picture of that lens!

[DerekI]

Meanwhile, back at the ranch, I found a Tamron 17-50 for $350 and will follow this thread with interest. I'm too old to wait for November and am not going to spend over $450 for this lens. Thanks for all the info.

I thought lens fever was reserved for "L." :)

Not till November , but till April 28th as the site says.

Any way 350 for the Tamron is a good price ....

best regards.

[DerekI]

I want the lens that took the picture of that lens!

Then wait a month , you will see the Canon version of it in the states.

I wished some one had made a 14-60 F2.8 or a 12-100 F4 macro IS USM.

[LightRules]

Not till November , but till April 28th as the site says

That's amazing. I'm waiting for this "walkaround" zoom, and I need it for a trip to Maui, and the date of my flight is April 28th. :evil:

I'll need something else then for the trip.

As of note, I spoke with Tokina USA's rep Glen Nash a few weeks back and he said mid-May for US stock.

[condyk]

I'll need something else then for the trip.


Buy a hat and pretend it's the 1950's with your 30mm 1.4 ... hey, you can even switch it to MF :-)

[LightRules]

Buy a hat and pretend it's the 1950's with your 30mm 1.4 ... hey, you can even switch it to MF :-)

48mm FOV won't be wide enough for some shots :cry:

Tokina, don't make me buy the Tamron... :eek:

[DerekI]

48mm FOV won't be wide enough for some shots :cry:

Tokina, don't make me buy the Tamron... :eek:

BTW, I appreciate your testing many lenses at pbase place.

the Tokina would be expensive roughly calculated from yen , it would be around USd650 or more.

[LightRules]

the Tokina would be expensive roughly calculated from yen , it would be around USd650 or more.

Looking at all the pricing numbers as well as previous Tokina models (MSRP v. Street), I'm expecting this 1650f2.8 to be right around $600 in the US online market (e.g., BeachCamera, B&H, etc.), hopefully even less. As I reflect on what the lens does offer (e.g., excellent optics, real solid build, 16mm, water/oil protective lens coatings, one-touch focus clutch), the price seems more and more reasonable.

But again, I'll be more definitive about it all once it's in my hands...whenever that is.

[Tee Why]

Hmmm, I maybe wrong here, perhaps it will be here earlier. Although I see no indication on the US site yet. Good looking lens, looking forward to the reviews.

[Lightstream]

Looking at all the pricing numbers as well as previous Tokina models (MSRP v. Street), I'm expecting this 1650f2.8 to be right around $600 in the US online market (e.g., BeachCamera, B&H, etc.), hopefully even less. As I reflect on what the lens does offer (e.g., excellent optics, real solid build, 16mm, water/oil protective lens coatings, one-touch focus clutch), the price seems more and more reasonable.

But again, I'll be more definitive about it all once it's in my hands...whenever that is.

I'm looking forward to this lens too.. after the Canon 17-55/2.8 smacked me around something fierce :(

[LightRules]

after the Canon 17-55/2.8 smacked me around something fierce :(

Huh? :rolleyes:

[Lightstream]

Huh? :rolleyes:

ERR99 heaven.........

[Tee Why]

Give it up, this lens is an urban legend like area 54 and Elvis still living in a trailer park somewhere. It's a ploy by Pentax/Hoya/Tokina to prevent you spending your money on their competitors lenses. Anyone holding out for this phantom lens deserves the anguish they are suffering. After all, you are now dealing with Pentax's optics designers, who are notorious for never delivering anything on time. Only thing you can assume about Pentax optics is that it'll always be delayed.

Tokina is also starting more rumors about lenses that they will never make to prevent folks from buying their competitors products. Here is a few of them.

50-500 f4 lens to prevent bigma sales
70-200 f1.8 to prevent 70-200L sales
24-135 f2.8 to prevent 24-70/24-105 sales
50mm f1.0 to prevent other 50mm sales
I saw it in their "road map" post two years ago.
:)

[LightRules]

Give it up, this lens is an urban legend like area 54 and Elvis still living in a trailer park somewhere. It's a ploy by Pentax/Hoya/Tokina to prevent you spending your money on their competitors lenses.

Tokina is also starting more rumors about lenses that they will never make to prevent folks from buying their competitors products. Here is a few of them.

50-500 f4 lens to prevent bigma sales
70-200 f1.8 to prevent 70-200L sales
24-135 f2.8 to prevent 24-70/24-105 sales
50mm f1.0 to prevent other 50mm sales
I saw it in their "road map" post two years ago.
:)

Thanks for the head's up, Tom. Those four soon-to-be-released lenses look fantastic. I'll hold out for them too. :D

[Tee Why]

I'll bet you that Tamron 70-200f2.8 I'm eyeing will be in the store before your phantom Toke. That's probably why that lens is so late. The engineers on smoking taking too much toke.
Ha ha ha, I just gotta rub it in and kick you while you are on the ground.
:)
PS, just went back and noted this post started in June 2006, so it's been announced for about 10 months now. he he he.
Well, the Pentax version is stated for release in June 07 per PMA interview on imaging resourse, so maybe without any extra delays, the toke will be out August or so. Then again, knowing Pentax, they'll probably release in December for the X-mas sales.

[LightRules]

:) PS, just went back and noted this post started in June 2006, so it's been announced for about 10 months now. he he he.
Well, the Pentax version is stated for release in June 07 per PMA interview on imaging resourse, so maybe without any extra delays, the toke will be out August or so. Then again, knowing Pentax, they'll probably release in December for the X-mas sales.

Yes, you must give me credit for my patience on this lens. Looking at the specs and knowing Tokina's great build quality, along with 16mm, it made me smile just thinking of it. Anyway, I spoke with Glenn Nash of Tokina USA [they're local here in Long Beach], and he told me Japan told him mid-May release here in the USA (since it's out already in Japan as of 3/20 - Nikon mount, I believe). But the other day he said early-June. So I am counting on this lens being released anytime between mid-May and mid-June; if it is any earlier, that will just be a boon. Anyway, what's a few more months waiting, eh? :evil:

[jcw122]

Wait...so this lens is STILL not here? Wow.

[LightRules]

Tokina has officially put the press release update/info here http://www.thkphoto.com/news/news-pr040107.html

Looks like it will be available next month (May).

[Tee Why]

Tokina has officially put the press release update/info here http://www.thkphoto.com/news/news-pr040107.html

Looks like it will be available next month (May).
Did you notice this release date before the description??? :)
LONG BEACH, CA. (April 1, 2007) :lol:
THK Photo Products, Inc., announces the Tokina AT-X 165 PRO DX 16-50mm f/2.8 zoom lens exclusively for Digital SLR cameras with APS-C sensors.* *

Anyway, maybe the long delay allowed Hoya to release the Pentax and Tokina version at the same time. Let's hope it's available soon so you can test it out for us.

Good things come to those who wait... and know when not to wait. :)

[LightRules]

Did you notice this release date before the description??? :)
LONG BEACH, CA. (April 1, 2007) :lol:

I believe the April 1 release date is their "update" for the press release, then at the bottom it says "May 2007" for availability. As you know, it's available in Japan already (at least in Nikon mount, not sure about Canon). Anyway, I'm going to remember all these "rubbings" when I finally hold it in my hands. :lol: Then my copy's going to kick your Tamron in the a*se. :D :lol: I'm also adding a new facet to my lens comparisons: "The 6-Foot Drop Onto Concrete", and we'll see which one remains standing. :)

[Seriously, you know I'm fair and balanced... :lol: ]

[CountryBoy]

:lol: I'm also adding a new facet to my lens comparisons: "The 6-Foot Drop Onto Concrete", and we'll see which one remains standing. :)]

I used that test on my "Nifty". It passed. I think it's even a little quieter. ;)

I gave up on the Tokina. It's like my pay raise. It could be here next month or next year.

[LightRules]

Listed today, Adorama.com is the first USA online retailer to pre-list the Tokina 1650 f2.8 DX. It will sell for $659 at Adorama, so the estimates of $600-$700 were about right. It's priced right in between the Tamron 1750 ($449) and Canon 1755 ($999). Considering what the lens offers, it seems about right.

Link here http://www.adorama.com/TN1650EOS.html?searchinfo=tokina%2016-50&item_no=1

FWIW, here are some links I've gathered (at my site also) on this lens:

http://www.thkphoto.com/news/news-pr040107.html
http://www.tokina.co.jp/news/4961607atx165news.html
http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/cda/lens_review/2007/04/13/6032.html
http://blog.so-net.ne.jp/mitsunari/2007-03-20-1
http://www.photographyblog.com/index.php/weblog/comments/pma_2007_tokina_16_50mm_f_28_lens
http://community.livejournal.com/ru_d70/902166.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHz-TVv7lm8 [Video]
http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showpost.php?p=2762122&postcount=27 [Specs of the Sigma 18-50, Tamron 17-50, and Tokina 16-50]

[purelithium]

http://cgi.ebay.ca/Tokina-16-50-165-2-8-Lens-Canon-Nikon-400D-D80-Camera_W0QQitemZ320108188250QQihZ011QQcategoryZ300 67QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Available now from HK ;)

[photonick]

I have been holding off buying 17-55 IS while news of this one has been filtering through. It dosn't appear to offer much more than better build quality over the Tamron does it? not sure the snapping zoom ring and water-proof coating will be worth such a premium? Is focus speed expected to be on a par with USM?
I guess only time will tell...

[LightRules]

I have been holding off buying 17-55 IS while news of this one has been filtering through. It dosn't appear to offer much more than better build quality over the Tamron does it? not sure the snapping zoom ring and water-proof coating will be worth such a premium? Is focus speed expected to be on a par with USM?
I guess only time will tell...

Optically it should be excellent. Their UWA 12-24 was very good, and I expect their "standard zoom" to be even better. Build quality will feel like a $1000 lens. That is big to me. 16mm wide is another precedent it sets. I think it has a lot of perks going for it. Some have questioned how its CA performance will be, but so long it's within reason and average, it looks to be quite a lens. AF will be quieter than the Tamron, if their other recent DX Pro lenses are any indicator. But time will tell just how good it is. Few lenses have perked my interest than this one has. And waiting almost a year (see original thread date) is proof of it.

[timbop]

Don't know about those Tokina/Hoya/Pentax gusy, they always miss their stated deadline. I think the Pentax was suppose to be out already and now seems pushed back to June according to interviews at PMA. Needless, I'd like to see how this lens does.

Considering this lens was announced at PMA in Feb 2006 (yes 2006!!) and has had 2 delayed releases, I would be very concerned about getting one within the first year. If you can't wait for a great lens in this prices range, pick up what's available now. A year from now if the tok seems to live up to your anticipations, sell whatever it was you bought now and get the tok. It's just a lens after all....

[Mr. Clean]

I don't know...That price is a tad steep. It'll create another "is it worth it" thread. Is the Tokie worth 110 more than the Tammy for 1mm on the wide end etc. etc. etc.

My jury's out now...The AF speed won't be there, build quality will be..I don't know...Another 400 bucks and you can have the evasive and mostly trustworth 24-70L

[Tee Why]

From "Scamorama" site.
"
This is a new item which is not available yet. Delivery expected to start early June 2007. "

June, I think Tokina uses the Chinese Lunar calendar or something. Personally, I smell July, just in time for the 4th of July.

[snajczuk]

This lens sounds so appealing to me just because of the weight and build. I love that solid feeling and since I'm not in any urgent need of a replacement for the 17-85 I think I'll wait; the Tammy seems way to plastic to me. Can anyone say anything to the contrary?

[tuan209]

It's about time! For me, it is a tad steep considering the 17-55 IS could of been had for ~860 at dell awhile back. I can wait to see your review on the lens Jojo :).

[LightRules]

From "Scamorama" site.
"
This is a new item which is not available yet. Delivery expected to start early June 2007. "

June, I think Tokina uses the Chinese Lunar calendar or something. Personally, I smell July, just in time for the 4th of July.

LOL :D How did I know you would chime in, Dr. Yi? :lol: Regardless, I leave for Maui tomorrow with the 1750f2.8 and it better focus right! :evil:

[Tee Why]

Good luck, have fun. Shhhh... nobody knows I'm a doctor, I don't want to loose my credibility on this forum...

[DerekI]

This lens sounds so appealing to me just because of the weight and build. I love that solid feeling and since I'm not in any urgent need of a replacement for the 17-85 I think I'll wait; the Tammy seems way to plastic to me. Can anyone say anything to the contrary?

I think you should not replace the Canon with this but maybe in addition to it , this is a good lens.

But remember , it is bulky and heavy so I guess I keep my Tamron with me in addition to my 17-85IS ......... the Tokina is a big lens, esp on my xti.... if you have a 30D , it may be able to blance well on it.

[snajczuk]

I think you should not replace the Canon with this but maybe in addition to it , this is a good lens.

But remember , it is bulky and heavy so I guess I keep my Tamron with me in addition to my 17-85IS ......... the Tokina is a big lens, esp on my xti.... if you have a 30D , it may be able to blance well on it.

I'm not so worried about the balance since I have the grip for the XT, but yes, the Tamron or Tokina may be a good partner to the 17-85 until I can get my hands on the 85 1.8 perhaps. How do you like the Tokina? You make it sound as tough you own it. I would love to see some samples if you do.

[DerekI]

I'm not so worried about the balance since I have the grip for the XT, but yes, the Tamron or Tokina may be a good partner to the 17-85 until I can get my hands on the 85 1.8 perhaps. How do you like the Tokina? You make it sound as tough you own it. I would love to see some samples if you do.

Not own it just touched it at a shop near Oska and disliked it because of its size .

I definitely prefer the Tamron 17-50 to this Tokina or the Canon because of its size and BQ.

I know lots of people have opposite view to mine , since they like heavy and hard build like a tank kind of lens while I like soft and grippy rubber body of Tamron (I think being mor elastic means longer lasting in real life).

[DerekI]

http://www.adorama.com/TN1650EOS.html?searchinfo=tokina%2016-50&item_no=1

I have to apologize to all for my previous posting speculating the release time of this lens in the US beased on Japanese Tokina's web site....

This lens will be released in June , as the link says but may be delayed as in a part of usual Tokina game.......And Tokina is getting those glass from Hoya so .

USD 699 is kinda expensive as for a third party zoom.

I only tried Nikon mount model and it is big and heavy, very sharp IMO , though.

I think it is a nice lens but too heavy for me .

[aoleg]

Adorama lists it for $659.95 (pre-order only). I wonder if Tokina is going to introduce rebates of some sort to boost sales of this lens.

[Tee Why]

I'm not sure if Tokina has rebates, but like most lenses, I think the price will drop a bit after the initial rush of orders from those that have to have the newest and the greatest first.

[ed rader]

http://www.pbase.com/lightrules/image/74745372/original.jpg

*Only APS-C standard zoom with 16mm wide
*Constant f2.8
*Incomparable Build
*One-Touch Focus Clutch Mechanism [Next best thing to USM/FTM]
*Water/Oil-Proofed Lens Coating
*Anticipated Superlative Optics


man you been pushing that thing for more than a year. has it finally been released?

hadn't noticed :D .

ed rader

[ed rader]

It's about time! For me, it is a tad steep considering the 17-55 IS could of been had for ~860 at dell awhile back. I can wait to see your review on the lens Jojo :).

i think he said it was a "cracker" about a year ago :D !

ed rader

[LightRules]

man you been pushing that thing for more than a year. has it finally been released?

hadn't noticed :D


No, it hasn't been released yet. That's why you haven't "noticed" it. Not that you notice much 3rd party activity anyway. Mwahahahaha.

I'm in Maui right now using the Tamron 1750f2.8. So far so good. But I am looking fwd to the Tokie cracker when it comes out.

[ed rader]

No, it hasn't been released yet. That's why you haven't "noticed" it. Not that you notice much 3rd party activity anyway. Mwahahahaha.

I'm in Maui right now using the Tamron 1750f2.8. So far so good. But I am looking fwd to the Tokie cracker when it comes out.

have fun. are you kaanapali :D ?

ed rader

[quickben]

Why, oh, why can't they make this lens FF compatible !!

I love the build quality on Tokina's AT-X Pro range. Almost up to Zeiss standards.

Nevermind.

Gary.

[Billginthekeys]

so does anyone have a clue as to why its taken a year and still hasnt been released yet.

[LightRules]

so does anyone have a clue as to why its taken a year and still hasnt been released yet.

Bill, your guess is as good as anyone's. :rolleyes:

[LightRules]

have fun. are you kaanapali :D ?

No, we're at our time-share here in Kihei. We're heading up to Lahaina - Kaanapali - Kapalua all-day tomorrow though. We're taking the kiddies to the Maui Ocean Center today -- great fun. :confused: :lol:

[Billginthekeys]

i mean it just seems odd, like something went really wrong with the design or something. it seems hard to believe that a year ago they had a fairly working spec model.. and couldnt sell them yet. dont they make the identicle "pentax" lens that has been out for a long time now?
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/images/largeimages/485180.jpg

[LightRules]

dont they make a identicle "pentax" lens that has been out for a long time now?

I don't know when the Pentax version was released, but IIRC, it hasn't been long either. Anyway, the Tokie has been released in Japan, so the US market is just sitting pretty (or angry).

[photobitz]

I've just come accross this lens listed on ebay by a few HK sellers...

Is anyone going to take the plunge? I'd really like to know how it performs especially at f/2.8 ( but I guess you all do too)

Definitely a contender in my kit.

[Honeybee]

pics taken with Nikon version

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1030&message=22779073

[DerekI]

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1029&thread=23172988

The Tokina performs hideous and the Sigma would be the best choice here .

If you can read Chinese , the Tiwanese review site in the thread link above show you all kind of comprisons of these three third party f2.8 lenses.

[ed rader]

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1029&thread=23172988

The Tokina performs hideous and the Sigma would be the best choice here .

If you can read Chinese , the Tiwanese review site in the thread link above show you all kind of comprisons of these three third party f2.8 lenses.

but lightrules said a year ago that the tokie would be a cracker :D .

ed rader

[DerekI]

i mean it just seems odd, like something went really wrong with the design or something. it seems hard to believe that a year ago they had a fairly working spec model.. and couldnt sell them yet. dont they make the identicle "pentax" lens that has been out for a long time now?
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/images/largeimages/485180.jpg

BTW, I believe the Pentax versin is the copy of the tokina or just rebranded .

But both look so hideous in the MTF test , their BQ is great and nice ergonomics but so heavy compared to the tamron..

[DerekI]

but lightrules said a year ago that the tokie would be a cracker :D .

ed rader


Hi , take a look at the dp thread and clcik the link in side the thread , I was shokced how bad it looked comapred to the Sigma 18-50 macro , the Tamron also was better.

The level of CA is unbelievably high.

[Redbird_xo]

So, Who's Interested in the Tokina 16-50 f2.8 DX Pro?

I'll pass.

[ed rader]

Hi , take a look at the dp thread and clcik the link in side the thread , I was shokced how bad it looked comapred to the Sigma 18-50 macro , the Tamron also was better.

The level of CA is unbelievably high.

hey i believe you. with as good as the tamron 17-50 and canon 17-55 are i really had my doubts about the tokie especially when they kept delaying production.

ed rader

[LightRules]

We'll see how they fare in Canon mount. CA looks fairly high on the Tokina, but otherwise it looks solid. Each lens has its obvious strengths. The Tokina still may emerge as the best of the bunch when the dust settles. If the Tokina's CA turns out to be "average to high", yet all its other strengths (viz., incomparable build, one-touch AF/MF, 16mm wide, sharp with good contrast, water-oil proof lens coatings) remain, it should be quite the lens for APS-C shooters.

[CountryBoy]

Are we still waiting for this "cracker" of a lens ?