Kinda wish you could have on the 10D, don't get me wrong...

[Canuck]

Hi!
I was wondering what you would like to see on the next generation 10D (possibly called the 3D). I'd like to be able to shoot RAW in any mode: portrait, landscape, macro, high speed, etc. You can sorta cheat this by using the reading from that setting them go to manual setting and shoot away. I'd also like to see a much better way to choose where the focus is in the 7 boxes for those of us that wear glasses like myself. I have found it really doesn't track my eye movement at all. I may try this idea with contacts in. I know that you can't please all the people all the time, and DO NOT get me wrong, I love the 10D; these are mere ideas/suggestions for the next one. I would really like to try the D1S out for a day and see that one. Speaking of which, the 10D could stand for a true spotmeter, and better system like the 45 point bit that the D1/D1S have.
Again this may come in the next one. Who knows, other than Canon people?

I wonder what your ideas are.

Cheers from England,
Canuck

[robertwgross]

Canuck wrote:
I'd also like to see a much better way to choose where the focus is in the 7 boxes for those of us that wear glasses like myself. I have found it really doesn't track my eye movement at all.


What camera are you referring to? Canon 10D does not do this.

---Bob Gross---

[Belmondo]

robertwgross wrote:

What camera are you referring to? Canon 10D does not do this.

---Bob Gross---


It doesn't? You mean I've been doing all this eye-twitching for nothing?

[Webster]

That's the 10DE that's he referring to. The one Canon never designed or built. I want one too.

[defordphoto]

belmondo wrote:
robertwgross wrote:

What camera are you referring to? Canon 10D does not do this.

---Bob Gross---


It doesn't? You mean I've been doing all this eye-twitching for nothing?

We ought to start a petition.

[Belmondo]

RFMSports wrote:We ought to start a petition.

Good thought, Jim. Suggest you do it door-to-door and not on this forum, however. You WILL get hate mail from 300D owners who are frustrated with their petitions efforts.

[defordphoto]

But, seriously some things I'd like to see in the next generation 10D would be a bigger buffer, faster shutter and focus (now I'm probably leaning to a 1D replacement eh?), but anyway...

What else...8-9mp, 25-6400 ISO, even better low-light focusing, integrated BigEd, larger viewfinder, adjustable quality RAW (9mp, 6mp, 3mp) the option to shut off the JPEG attachment to the RAW file.

Mmmmmm....that's a good start.

[defordphoto]

belmondo wrote:
RFMSports wrote:We ought to start a petition.

Good thought, Jim. Suggest you do it door-to-door and not on this forum, however. You WILL get hate mail from 300D owners who are frustrated with their petitions efforts.

[Belmondo]

How about interchangeable focusing screens?
Would also like an oversized viewfinder.

[defordphoto]

belmondo wrote:
How about interchangeable focusing screens?

Ooo yes, yes! What you said!

And as a sidebar: A company that manufactures all this stuff that has an EXCELLENT customer service department that only take one time to repair items, not 2-3-4-5 times.

[ChrisNardone]

I'd like to see a better/brighter viewfinder. One that is more condusive to manual focusing. I'd also like to see the ISO setting in the view finder with shutter and aperature. It's become nearly as frequent a variable.

[openspace]

I'd like the next Canon DSLR to be free - a goodwill gesture to the masses. Ahhh... feel the love.

[robertwgross]

belmondo wrote:
Would also like an oversized viewfinder.

Now you're talking.

---Bob Gross---

[mattchase]

I would be happy with a hybrid TTL / auto-thyristor based flash system that actually works.

[MiG82]

I have found it really doesn't track my eye movement at all."

That's just very subtle humor right? Right?!?

I don't see why you'd want to use all those silly modes.
Portrait = large aperture.
Landscape = small aperture.
High speed = fast shutter.

Might as well just use the aperture priority and shutter priority modes. It's almost just as easy, especially for a photographer that's at the 10D level.

[w10d]

I don't see why you'd want to use all those silly modes.
Portrait = large aperture.
Landscape = small aperture.
High speed = fast shutter.

Might as well just use the aperture priority and shutter priority modes. It's almost just as easy, especially for a photographer that's at the 10D level.

Absolutely: I'd like them to get rid of all those modes, in fact make the camera as complicated as possible, It's soooo embarrasing when a client can pick up your camera, turn a dial, and take a better picture than you just did....

:O

[Jesper]

The 3D, if Canon were making such a thing, would be a digital version of the EOS 3, just like the 10D is more or less a digital Elan 7. So a 3D would certainly have the 45 point AF system of the EOS 3.

If I compare the 10D and the Elan 7E, the most obvious differences to me are:

- The 10D does have a PC socket (for connection studio flash equipment); the Elan 7E doesn't. I miss that on my Elan 7E.

- The Elan 7E and also the 300D have a receiver for the infrared remote control RC-1. I can't understand why Canon didn't put this in the 10D?!?!

- I would love to have eye-controlled focus on the 10D!!!

[Belmondo]

How about a square 3200 X 3200 sensor (approx 10.24 megapixels).

This way, you could shoot square pictures of 10 mp, or any of the following ratios:

4 X 5 = 8.2 megapixels (2560 X 3200)
3 X 4 = 7.7 megapixels (2400 X 3200)
6 X 7 = 8.8 megapixels (2743 X 3200)

or any other custom ratio you might want.

Moreover, you could change between portrait and landscape modes without rotating the camera --- it could be done literally with the push of a button.

[AndrewEllinas]

The best improvement would be to get rid of the focal length multiplier and have a 1:1 ratio.

The focal length of lenses at the wide end is a real problem.

[vvizard]

First off, I'm probably the newbie you guys laugh at. I bought my first camera ever one year ago. A minolta DiMage 7i. I snatched about 3000 pics with it before I got to frustrated to ever photography again :-P Before I got my 10D som days ago :) This is heaven.. Indeed! But then again, I'm a photo-newbie, and this is my second camera, and first SLR, and I've only used it for 3 days. Here is what I would like to be changed in the next model:

Full format sensor so we get rid of this 1.6x whatever-factor.

A much larger viewfiender. I peeked through the viewfinder of one of my dads old Minolta SLR's, and it's _HUGE_ compared. It also got this "circle" in the middle which makes it extremly easy to check if things are perfectly in focus or not. Could this be fixed if we could you drop-in "something" in the viewfiender? At least I would love to see a similiar thing on the 10D.

_DONT_ shut the cam off if the cf-door is opened. If the card is removed while powered on, then sure, ok. But _NOT_ just by opening that door.

Let me see the iso-value in the viewfinder, or on the LCD on top.

Buy the cam, get an L-glass for free :-P

Bundle in some decent software. Photoshop CS, and a good third-party app for raw-photos.

Let us turn of embedded jpeg, yes..

Bigger buffer, faster fps. Although I'm very happy the way it is, everything can be improved :)

Include a spare battery and the vertical-grip

I will probably think of many new things as I get more experienced with photography. But "just" what I mentioned now will probably never be fullfilled at their prosumer-level SLR. Guess this is 1D(s) features at a very different price-level :(

And just to give my newbie-oppinion on the square 3200x3200 sensor.. I don't think that would work with the EF-lenses. I do believe you have to change the lenses to break the 3x2 format. Correct me if I'm wrong though.

[J.A.F. Doorhof]

To be totally honest I absolutly LOVE the 1.6 factor, I use a lot of zoom and I would have opted for a 2x factor if that was possible.
My 28-105 gives me enough wideangle as it is now.

Smaller mm lenses are cheaper than very good zooms...

What I would like to see improved:
* Maybe the AF system (although I'm pleased with it now)
* More MP's always nice
* Sport viewer, seeing more out of the frame
* Loose the basic modes
* Use more submenu's for for example PB this is cluttering the mainmenu now in 2.0
* Faster fps 5 should be enough
* Center weighting
* ISO 50
* Build in ND filter (if possible, don't know that)

And what would be WONDERFUL, and is maybe even possible in firmware a horizon line, even one through the middel would be wonderful to line up the horizon, the squares found on some digicams are even better.

Nothing more, I'm very very pleased with the 10D as it is.

Greetings,
Frank

[Joytek]

Actually the most annoying thing is the dust that gets caught in the chamber and eventually on the sensor when changing lenses. If canon could address this issue I would be quite happy. I shoot a lot at f 13 (the sweet spot for the 10D pixel size) and am sick and tired of having to clean up the pics in PS.
I change lenses rather reluctatntly and only in a room with an ionizer. I STILL get dust in. This really sucks!

w.

[iwatkins]

Some kind of comms link so I can hook up a GPS unit to record position into the EXIF data. Bugs me having all this useful info in the EXIF other than where I took the shot. I have to manually write down my location from a map as I walk about (doing landscapes). Pen and paper is sooo last century :)

Other than that, I don't think I would change anything much. No actually, I would make that viewfinder larger.

Cheers

Ian

[robertwgross]

Ian, every GPS receiver has the ability to store a waypoint. In many GPS receivers, you can attach a data cable to dump the waypoint information to a computer.

Store waypoints in a sequence that will correlate to the image numbers in the camera.

That way, in the computer, you have images with EXIF data and waypoints.

---Bob Gross---

[CyberDyneSystems]

1. Larger viewfinder with repalcement screens.
2. Protective cover over CMOS (Sigma 10 has one!)
3. Definatley larger buffer. RAM is CHEAP these days! ( or at least allow us to upgrade the RAM :D )
3A. Faster CF card interface!!! (take full advantaage of fast cards)
4. USER DEFINED SHOOTING MODE DIAL
(none of this "portarit/landscape" stuff,. but instead complete user defined prestes that include in one dial setting Image file size/type, ISO, AE priority, metering type, focus type, preset focus point,. etc...)

Now thart film is passe~,.. ISO value is defined in camera and become a more flexible tool in defining you exposure settings. COntrol of ISO needs to be integrated into all aspects of exposure control.

Here are my thoughts on how ISO needs to eveolve into the Digital Camera;

5. ISO value in viewfinder and adjustable by rolling a dial in viewfinder (just like exposure compensation)
6. An "Auto ISO" setting that can be overridden by rolling the dial (again just like exposure compensation in "P" mode)

7. When Auto ISO is enabled it will work in conjunction with AV and TV modes to aid in getting the shutter speed or Aperture required. (again, easily overriden by dialing like exposure compensation)

[CyberDyneSystems]

vvizard wrote:

And just to give my newbie-oppinion on the square 3200x3200 sensor.. I don't think that would work with the EF-lenses. I do believe you have to change the lenses to break the 3x2 format. Correct me if I'm wrong though.

:) Yeah, your wrong :)

A square sensor would work fine with the lenses which offer a circular image,. cameras just use a rectangular film plain (most of them) it could just as easily be square or hexagonal, so long as it still fit within the circular lens image.

As we are working within a circle we do need to remember that as we make the film plane taller, we also make the film plane narrower as we bump into the curve of the circle we are working within. (But pixels can be deser to compensae to keep the resolution up in a given direction)

With that in mind rather than sacrifice the lenses circular image width for height as a square sensor would do,. I would like to see an Octagonal sensor.

An Octagonal Sensor. would offer some amazing compositional flexibilty.
When shooting we would decide which corners of the Octoagon to use to give us either a maiximum width rectangle for panorama mode,. maximum height rectangle for portraits, or a perfect square.

[Belmondo]

A square sensor offers all those capabilites, but what the heck? They now have printers available that will print on CDs, so why not octagonal prints? We need not be limited by convention.

Tom

[CoolToolGuy]

My vote:

-Reduce or eliminate the crop factor. A 24mm lens in the 35mm film world is a wonderful thing, but to get there with a 1.6 crop factor takes a pocket full of money.
-As part of the above, an increase in the pixel count would be in order.
-Provide the ability (if desired) to change the prefix of the file names. This is my latest crusade. It would allow the photographer to ID the camera used for each shot, and prevent duplicate file names.
-Some sort of digital preview, mostly for white balance. I understand the issues relating to an SLR and using the LCD as a viewfinder, but when I do this with my G3, it is quick, cool, and accurate.

Have Fun

[MountainBiker]

CyberDyneSystems wrote:I would like to see an Octagonal sensor.

How about a round sensor if we're changing the sensor shape? This would make it easy to straighten sloping horizons or sloping landscape features in photoshop and then crop to suit the printing paper. No longer would we be concerned about holding the camera level. The downside to this is the focusing screen would need to be much larger and would need positioning lines.

[CoolToolGuy]

Well if we're going with a round sensor, why not round paper, and solve the problem with a mat or a paper cutter? ;-)

Have Fun

[iwatkins]

robertwgross wrote:
Ian, every GPS receiver has the ability to store a waypoint. In many GPS receivers, you can attach a data cable to dump the waypoint information to a computer.

---Bob Gross---

Thanks Bob.

Yes, I've been looking into this and even the cheapo Garmin units can do this, i.e. press and hold a button on the side to store a waypoint.

I've even found some software that will read the waypoint log and correlate the date/times with the date/times from images (camera clock will need to be synced with GPS time) and then stamp an image with a location or just produces a file listing including lat/longs etc.

What I really want to see happen is for this to all be intergrated into a single product. I.e. you buy a 10D (well, it's replacement) and you can just slot in a GPS unit and it just works.

I guess for now I'll just have to get myself a GPS unit and do it the way you suggest.

Cheers

Ian

[Canuck]

robertwgross wrote:
Canuck wrote:
I'd also like to see a much better way to choose where the focus is in the 7 boxes for those of us that wear glasses like myself. I have found it really doesn't track my eye movement at all.


What camera are you referring to? Canon 10D does not do this.

---Bob Gross---


Bob,
What I was referring to is that the Elan IIE/50E have a
separate setting (actually 3) to calibrate so that it will follow if you look left, right or centre. I have found it rather difficult to get it to focus on the exact place I want it to; whereas the 50E I have was spot on. There isn't a way to calibrate it to my eyes.

I would also like to see you be able to adjust the ISO in all settings, not just the noncreative modes. I'd like to see the 45 point AF bit too!

I will have to think of a few other items.

Cheers from England,
Canuck

[robertwgross]

Canuck wrote:
What I was referring to is that the Elan IIE/50E have a
separate setting (actually 3) to calibrate so that it will follow if you look left, right or centre.

But, that is a Film camera .

I didn't see any mention of that in your post.

There might be a few of us left who use film on a slow day, just to get away from the monotony of digital. But it is a dying breed.

---Bob Gross---

[Andy_T]

Actually, the next generation 10D should have an integrated GPS sensor. And a radio-controlled watch.

With these two modest features, it could determine by itself if it has to use fill flash when you're shooting against the sun ... that's what I'd call AI flash :)

Regards,
Andy

[Canuck]

robertwgross wrote:
Canuck wrote:
What I was referring to is that the Elan IIE/50E have a
separate setting (actually 3) to calibrate so that it will follow if you look left, right or centre.

But, that is a Film camera .

I didn't see any mention of that in your post.

There might be a few of us left who use film on a slow day, just to get away from the monotony of digital. But it is a dying breed.

---Bob Gross---


Bob,
D'oh, that was the point, I forgot to mention that. Such is life when you post at 0330 in the morning. :)

Cheers,
Canuck

[LuckyCritters]

I agree with all the great ideas and would like to add one.

I would like to see:

* WIRELESS DATA INTERFACE

I want the camera to be able to transmit back to my computer or laptop without removing the card. Press the sync button, if the camera's in range it transmits the data.

[defordphoto]

LuckyCritters wrote:
I agree with all the great ideas and would like to add one.

I would like to see:

* WIRELESS DATA INTERFACE

I want the camera to be able to transmit back to my computer or laptop without removing the card. Press the sync button, if the camera's in range it transmits the data.

AKA, Bluetooth. Yeah. Send to PC or printer, PDA, whatever.

[CyberDyneSystems]

Wireles,.. but fast,. so you can store your imagres in your wireless eqipped laptop while shooting,. like the Nikon D2H ...


EEK Did I say the "N" word! :D

[iwatkins]

CyberDyneSystems wrote:
EEK Did I say the "N" word! :D

Calling Pekka, calling Pekka. Heck, ban this guy !!!!

:)

Cheers

Ian

[MarkH]

Here's what I want:

Basic modes replaced with user setting 1, user setting 2, etc
I could then find a use for them.

Weather proofed body.

Spot meter.

Able to write to CF even when the shutter button is held down.

Memory is relatively cheap, how about a larger buffer.


Not a huge list, but then the 10D is pretty good as is.

No hurry on my list either, I can't afford to buy a new camera every year or two, I'm planning on 5 years uses out of my 10D then replace it with something that is way better.

[rdenney]

belmondo wrote:
How about interchangeable focusing screens?
Would also like an oversized viewfinder.

Now, you're talking. I have a speed-finder for my Canon F-1, and I miss it profoundly.

A larger apparent view would be nice, along with focus aids on the finder screen.

But what I'd really like is a 1Ds for a 10D price. Now, THAT would be a 10D upgrade worth having!

Rick "who otherwise likes the 10D just like it is" Denney

[Jesper]

Canuck wrote:
robertwgross wrote:
Canuck wrote:
I'd also like to see a much better way to choose where the focus is in the 7 boxes for those of us that wear glasses like myself. I have found it really doesn't track my eye movement at all.


What camera are you referring to? Canon 10D does not do this.

---Bob Gross---


Bob,
What I was referring to is that the Elan IIE/50E have a
separate setting (actually 3) to calibrate so that it will follow if you look left, right or centre. I have found it rather difficult to get it to focus on the exact place I want it to; whereas the 50E I have was spot on. There isn't a way to calibrate it to my eyes.


No, the 10D does not have eye controlled focus, so it's not surprising that it also doesn't have a way to calibrate eye controlled focus, don't you think so?!?!

[Canuck]

Jesper,
Well, of course, I was saying that it would be a cool feature to have. It one of those stop dancing around the subject and spit it out. It also helps to engage brain before opening mouth (or typing). I'd vote to have eye controlled focus on the next one! What do you people think?

Cheers from England,
Canuck

[Canuck]

Hi all,
This an old thread but thought to ressurrect it.
I Got thinking that the PMA is aroung the corner...
Here's some more ideas I'd like to see. Canon and Kodak got together and made some really good for their day camera and look at the Kodak Pro 14N. I got to handle one of them about 2 weeks ago. The big point I'd like to make about that one is that I hope you have big hands for shooting vertical (portrait) mode. Granted I'm not big by any stretch of the imagination at 5' 7" but that was a rough one. Back to the subject, it would be cool to see Canon and Kodak get back together and make one that blows Nikon a long ways back, even further than now.

There was the Kodak DCS460, a 6.2 MP for the Kingly sum of $12,000 in Mar '95 and was Nikon mount.

First, ther ewas the Kodak DCS520, a 1.99MP digital camera that in Jan, 98 would cost $7500, based on the EOS 1N. Jumping ahead to 11 Sept 98 (weird concidence) there was the Kodak DCS560 based on the EOS 1N. Then 6.1 MP would cost you $7500.

I was looking at the DSC330 and noticed something wild: "(This seems to be Kodak's initial response to the Nikon D1, although no pricing information is available at this time, interesting move from the 3:2 aspect ratio seen on other Kodak Pro digicams to the more computer-based 4:3 ratio)" - www.dcresource.com and is this not the 4/3 system the Oly is pushing? I do believe so. This too was Nikon fit, Jul 99. There were others, and then the Pro 14N came along and Kodak seems to have vanished in the pro/keen amateur (like you and me) market. Is there a rift between Kodak and Canon? I realise that Canon went to the D30, the D60 and for now (I emphasise "for now") 10D. If Canon does like they have been, they will be releasing a new 10D class model, or something that tears the 10D apart. This is pure speculation, I'm going on trends and trends alone.

What else sould I like to see? A camera that can cook, clean do washing up, and who knows what else.

I can say I'm a vastly more knowlegdable person than when this thread was started, thanks to a lot of people floating around on this forum. Thanks to all and learning never stops.

[JoeCanon10D]

Well, this horse isn't quite dead yet, so I will beat on it for a while... First I love my 10D, and it does *almost* everything I want from a digital SLR. the only thing I would like to see change is the adition of a spot meter, the provision to have a grid focusing screen ( I am tired of my water running off the page) and a full frame sensor, so my 17mm lens would be a 17, not a 26. Ya know, I bet this is exactly why they make the 1Ds, ya think?? I am going to wait and see what the re-incarnated 1D turns out to be when the do get around to updating it, if it is a full frame sensor, all problems will be solved, if not, there is always the 1Ds.... In the mean time, I will continue to enjoy the heck out of my 10D...

[Canuck]

Well, this horse isn't quite dead yet, so I will beat on it for a while... First I love my 10D, and it does *almost* everything I want from a digital SLR. the only thing I would like to see change is the adition of a spot meter, the provision to have a grid focusing screen ( I am tired of my water running off the page) and a full frame sensor, so my 17mm lens would be a 17, not a 26. Ya know, I bet this is exactly why they make the 1Ds, ya think?? I am going to wait and see what the re-incarnated 1D turns out to be when the do get around to updating it, if it is a full frame sensor, all problems will be solved, if not, there is always the 1Ds.... In the mean time, I will continue to enjoy the heck out of my 10D...

Joe,
This is not the dead horse we're referring to. This thread was the non petition, constructive criticism thread for Canon.