Airports, what do we do now!!!!

[Raymate]

Just seen on the TV that anyone flying from the UK, can not take stuff into the cabin, everything must go in the hold. I never put my gear in the hold it stays within my site at all times. This is bad news for me as I get married in eight weeks in Canada and I will not let my laptop, camera gear and stuff go in the hold.

Do you guys put stuff in the hold or in the cabin?

What good and secure flight cases can I get, just in case?

What I may do is get some sort of hard case with locks and then just put inside my already packed Lowepro Computrekker, can anyone think of a case that will work like that?

Has anyone got stuck in the any UK aiports with this in force, what did you do with your gear?









""Alert at UK Airports Media Statement 10 August 2006

Following this mornings police action, the Department for Transport have asked all UK airports to apply additional security measures designed to ensure passenger safety. These measures will prevent passengers from carrying hand luggage into the cabin of an aircraft with the following excepts (which must be placed in a plastic bag):

*pocket size wallets and pocket size purses plus contents (for example money, credit cards, identity cards etc (not handbags))
*travel documents essential for the journey (for example passports and travel tickets)
*prescription medicines and medical items sufficient and essential for the flight (e.g. diabetic kit), except in liquid form unless verified as authentic
*spectacles and sunglasses, without cases
*contact lens holders, without bottles of solution
*for those travelling with an infant: baby food, milk (the contents of each bottle must be tasted by the accompanying passenger)*
*sanitary items sufficient and essential for the flight (nappies, wipes, creams and nappy disposal bags)
*female sanitary items sufficient and essential for the flight, if unboxed (eg tampons, pads, towels and wipes)
*tissues (unboxed) and/or handkerchiefs
*keys (but no electrical key fobs)

All passengers must be hand searched, and their footwear and all the items they are carrying must be x-ray screened.
*Pushchairs and walking aids must be x-ray screened, and only airport-provided wheelchairs may pass through the screening point.
*In addition to the above, all passengers boarding flights to the USA and all the items they are carrying, including those acquired after the central screening point, must be subjected to secondary search at the boarding gate.
* Any liquids discovered must be removed from the passenger.*

BAA wish to stress that these are precautionary measures. During the next few days airports will be extremely busy, therefore only those intending to fly should come to the airport.* Passengers are also asked to use public transport to get to and from the airport wherever possible.

Passengers are asked to be patient while these additional security measures are put in place. Delays are likely and passengers are therefore asked to allow extra time for their journey.""

[coreypolis]

I'd visit the pelican section of B&H very soon then. Glad its on your side of the pond only for now

[steved110]

I'm flying to France on Monday morning - so will be watching this space very closely......
I have no problem with security to deal with credible threats, but if this is another British over-reaction of the sort the authorities have demonstrated on several occasions now, I'll be unamused.

[Raphael Emond]

Now , for your question, I don't think you can find something better than a Pelican case with TSA locks for your travel... Find one big enough for all your stuff, and approved for your flight (size and weight)

[grumpyhaggis]

Our darling baggage handlers are going to have a wonderful time.;)

I will be very reluctant to put my kit in the hold. This is all very worrying and I wonder if these measures will stay in place in perpetuity.

[Raymate]

I'd visit the pelican section of B&H very soon then. Glad its on your side of the pond only for now


Can you get Pelican in the UK? the website dont say much

[Raymate]

I'm flying to France on Monday morning - so will be watching this space very closely......
I have no problem with security to deal with credible threats, but if this is another British over-reaction of the sort the authorities have demonstrated on several occasions now, I'll be unamused.


Let us kow how you get on, good luck

[Raphael Emond]

These cases are build lika a tank... you can't go wrong...

Be sure to check for TSA locks for it. Pelican sells them.
Else the airport security can cut your own locks to check
the internal and you will be screwed. TSA locks can be opened
by the airport. Use google if you want to know more.

Check Here... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luggage_locks

[neil_g]

This is bad news for me as I get married in eight weeks in Canada and I will not let my laptop, camera gear and stuff go in the hold.

hopefully by the time you leave this whole thing will have blown over.. you know what we're like as a country, we have a bit of a panic then everythings back to normal.

[chris.bailey]

Can you get Pelican in the UK? the website dont say much

www.warehouse express.co.uk sell them.

Stansted was mad this morning, you cant even get near to the terminal with a car and the check in queues are out onto the forecourt! The news does suggest this is a little more than paranoia.

[neil_r]

I travel with a load of gear both photographic and computing. It all goes in the hold and to date I have not had any problems. The only potential problem I have had has been in the USA where they will not let me lock the cases. I appreciate that this will not get you out of a fix in the short term but all my stuff is insured "new for old"

N

[Killie]

Todays news in the UK reveals a new terror threat to mid flight aircraft from cabin luggage. I believe most of carry a camera/s in our hand luggage rather than risk it going missing when being processed with main luggage for the hold.
Now with the new terror threat it appears in th UK anyway http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4778615.stm if your not aware that only the barest of essentials will be allowed as hand luggage, and I assume our cameras/tripods etc will have to be consigned to the hold.

I go on holiday to Norway this weekend and wonder if my camera will be safe in the hold inside my suitcase, it is in own fairly well padded bag (Lowepro Nova 3 AW). Will this be sufficient inside the suitcase surrounded by the clothing. Or would it put anyone off taking their camera at all?
Any info from you regular fliers would be appreciated.

[Derbyshire Weddings]

Hi,
No way would I put my cameras in the hold. I have seen the state of suitcases that have been there. Also from Newark (New Jersey) to Birmingham (UK) the baggage regularly gets lost & sometimes turns up. That is with one particular airline. So no way would I risk my prize kit.

Lee

[tlc]

give it a few days, i have a feeling its gonig to go back to normal. but if not, then get a professional's camera travel case, i would never put my gear in regular luggage, your only asking for trouble.......:cry:

they are sturdy metal and have those egg crate spongey things to cushion against shock.

they will also put a fragile sticker on it..... what little they help.....:cry:

[primoz]

It's time for you to buy Pelican case Killie. There's no way I would put any camera, lens or laptop in checked laugage without it. Ok I don't put it in checked laugage otherwise either, but I guess at least at current moment there's no other chance. Gee... how far this world came :confused:
PS: I never put tripods and monopods in carry on laugage. I have enough of problems already with 20+kg and 3 times oversize camera bag which I carry one, so I don't need additional problems with tripod and/or monopod at security check. They are not that fragile and they easily survive flight in checked laugage.

[tlc]

I'd visit the pelican section of B&H very soon then. Glad its on your side of the pond only for now

hate to ruin your day but.... it was on flights GOING to the US so if you think the US is going to let this one slip by, your wrong.

CNN has just posted this bulletin:
-- The U.S. has raised its threat warning to the highest level for commercial flights from Britain to the United States in response to a terror plot disrupted in London. According to The Associated Press, the terrorists had targeted United, American and Continental airlines, two U.S. counterterrorism officials said.

i would not be surprised if the US does not adopt some sort of carry on adjustment for at least a few days.....:cry:

[tlc]

I travel with a load of gear both photographic and computing. It all goes in the hold and to date I have not had any problems. The only potential problem I have had has been in the USA where they will not let me lock the cases. I appreciate that this will not get you out of a fix in the short term but all my stuff is insured "new for old"

N

i at least put those plastic zip tags on my stuff, so i can at least tell if its been opened. because sometimes you dont realize something is missing until some time has passed.

[Raymate]

i at least put those plastic zip tags on my stuff, so i can at least tell if its been opened. because sometimes you dont realize something is missing until some time has passed.

Good tip

[nation]

This doesn't bode well for BA who last month changed their baggage limits. They are now limiting passengers to only one piece at check-in with a max weight of 23 kg (North America and some selected routes will allow two pieces, but still subject to an overall weight limit of 23 kg). They specifically claimed this will be strictly enforced with excess baggage charges starting from U$55!

They did, however, relax their rules for carry on removing the weight limit for cabin bags and increasing the first carry ons size to 56x45x25cm. Of course you have to be able to lift the bag to the overhead compartment. They also allowed for a second briefcase/laptop bag which can be fit under the seat in front.

So their generosity for taking away check benefits is now redundant given the UK ports decision.

[peatoire]

I think it's pretty scary. They have arrested over 20 people. They were trying to bring down around 10 planes in the air at once with the explosives smuggled in hand luggage. American airlines were one of the targets. I'm on my honeymoon in a couple of weeks flying with AA to the states. It certainly gave me a shudder

[neil_r]

I guess I would rather have my camera broken or stolen than be blown up with it....

N

[tlc]

This doesn't bode well for BA who last month changed their baggage limits. They are now limiting passengers to only one piece at check-in with a max weight of 23 kg (North America and some selected routes will allow two pieces, but still subject to an overall weight limit of 23 kg). They specifically claimed this will be strictly enforced with excess baggage charges starting from U$55!

They did, however, relax their rules for carry on removing the weight limit for cabin bags and increasing the first carry ons size to 56x45x25cm. Of course you have to be able to lift the bag to the overhead compartment. They also allowed for a second briefcase/laptop bag which can be fit under the seat in front.

So their generosity for taking away check benefits is now redundant given the UK ports decision.

one would surely hope that with the limitations now in force, airlines will allow for extra baggage to be checked in? especially during the next few days and today especially!

i also heard that even if you have a baby and are bringing a bottle of milk on board, you ahve to stand there and drink the formula yourself, right in front of security......:cry:

gosh, what a freaked out, f*cked up world we are surely living in.

[Coco-Puffs]

wait, that means if i want to goto the UK, i cant even take my iPod on flight with me??

[neil_r]

wait, that means if i want to goto the UK, i cant even take my iPod on flight with me??

Not sure for that direction but from the UK out, no iPod at present....

You may get away with a heart pacemaker ;-)

[stevieboy378]

These are only temporary measures, AFAIK . . . expect things to be up in the air ( pardon the pun ! ) for the near future . . .

On a lighter note - I flew to London from Naples last week, with my rocket blower packed in my suitcase. The flight was delayed, without any explanation, and I spent the entire time worried that my blower had been spotted in the scan and mistaken for a bomb . . . .
The security guys at Naples are all very surly and very heavily armed - cue major paranoia from me . . . . . :o

[Tom W]

This threat has also induced a response in the US. The threat level for domestic flights has been raised to "orange" and for flights from the UK, "red". Apparently, the authorities in the UK have unraveled a pretty nasty plot.

I'm glad that I'm driving tomorrow instead of flying!

[chris.bailey]

You may get away with a heart pacemaker ;-)

But only if you take the batteries out :-)

I have a friend who works for BA and they have been told these restrictions are likely to be in force for "several days".

[kram]

As much as I hate the new rules, I dont know any viable alternative. One thing i know is that my camera gear isnt going checked-in - so guess I'm not flying for now :(

But then, I dont have any immediate holiday planned and atleast not to the US or Europe.

[TeeJay]

But only if you take the batteries out :-)

I have a friend who works for BA and they have been told these restrictions are likely to be in force for "several days".

.. so how DO you take the batteries out of a pacemaker?:confused:

Just to say I am right behind PSK4363 on this one!

[neil_r]

.. so how DO you take the batteries out of a pacemaker?:confused: !

Very painfully.....

[stupot]

.. so how DO you take the batteries out of a pacemaker?

A scalpel! Oh wait you're not allowed those... umm. A rusty spoon?! Or plastic airline cutlery?

[Coco-Puffs]

arent some battery packs for pace makers outside of the body?

[Coco-Puffs]

Not sure for that direction but from the UK out, no iPod at present....

You may get away with a heart pacemaker ;-)

well, let us hope that stays that way.
i'd hate to be stuck on a transpacific flight back home to the states stuck in my seat without any music nor magazine!

[Steve Parr]

Well, for starters, the whole thing kinda' sucks. I'm supposed to fly to Montreal on Wednesday, and I'm now considering not taking my camera for fear of being forced to put it in the hold.

But, with that said, I have absolutely no problem, whatsoever, with the increased security measures. They're in place because of something very real. They're not in place because of paranoia. Hell, I can't even believe I read that. The measures are in place because an advanced plot to blow up US-bound airliners was discovered and thwarted. Even still, they don't know yet; and probably won't for some time, if they've gotten everyone involved. From the sound of it, they don't believe they do.

I love to go out shooting when I travel, as I view it as a unique opportunity which won't always present itself. But there are plenty of nice things to shoot in southern California. It's not going to kill me not to take my camera with me abroad.

Let's just hope that the authorities stay on top of this so that we may, even if it takes a little longer, travel safely.

Oh, and leave that lens cleaner solution at home...

[steved110]

As I said before, I am highly in favour of any security measures that stop panes being hijacked or blown up, especially if there's any chance I might be in one or underneath one, or any of my loved ones....etc etc etc.

these sort of terror threats are new territory and we have top be willing to co-operate fully.

My only concern is assessing the validity of the threats - the UK security people are notorious for over reacting , and this just plays into the terrorists hands, everyone is scared fear serves the terrorists. there is no reasoning with these twisted bigots, they need to be hunted down and locked away for ever, and I will accept any inconvenience to help with this.

I AM NOT AFRAID

ps i am not afraid of losing my gear either - the gear bag will go in my Samsonite safely enough.

[Col_M]

Would TSA approved locks only be useful if you are going to north america? Are they a global security standard accepted and used in all countries?

If they aren't then the ziplock idea could be more useful for international travellers :)

[chris clements]

No way would I put my cameras in the hold.
Then you're not flying, my friend.
I wonder how much Peli and Storm shares went up today?

[Pekka]

On weekend I should play a concert in London Proms. Actually I wish they'd keep the airports closed so that I'd get few days off instead :)

[neil_r]

On weekend I should play a concert in London Proms. Actually I wish they'd keep the airports closed so that I'd get few days off instead :)

If it is the Stucky / Ravel Prom 41 then wave at me, I will be in the audience.....

[Lightstream]

This threat has also induced a response in the US. The threat level for domestic flights has been raised to "orange" and for flights from the UK, "red". Apparently, the authorities in the UK have unraveled a pretty nasty plot.

I'm glad that I'm driving tomorrow instead of flying!

Me too. Soaring gas prices and the prospect of a few hours on the road are anytime better than this. It's a sad world we live in.

[tommykjensen]

Just a reminder. The discussion of what to do about photo equipment if this restriction turns out to be permanent is very relevant but please lets keep politics out of it.

Now what I don't understand is if a bomb can be smugled onboard via carry on luggage then what prevents anybody from getting it onboard through checked luggage?

Why can't security in airports just do the same scans and checks of carry-on bags as they do with checked bags?

[stupot]

im talking about the current situation, no need to dig any deeper.

[JMHPhotography]

The alternative would be to have your gear shipped over via Fed-Ex or UPS if you know which hotel you're staying at, it's not difficult to make arrangements.

[Col_M]

Would TSA approved locks only be useful if you are going to north america? Are they a global security standard accepted and used in all countries?

If they aren't then the ziplock idea could be more useful for international travellers :)
Ok i looked into this myself and Peli's TSA locks are labled as U.S. USE ONLY, maybe something to keep in mind if you're travelling from the US to an international destination, while the TSA won't cut them off the security at your destination may well do just that.

[stupot]

Just a reminder. The discussion of what to do about photo equipment if this restriction turns out to be permanent is very relevant but please lets keep politics out of it.

Now what I don't understand is if a bomb can be smugled onboard via carry on luggage then what prevents anybody from getting it onboard through checked luggage?

Why can't security in airports just do the same scans and checks of carry-on bags as they do with checked bags?

i was wondering when a mod would notice;)

i think the current answer to your question tommy is that the explosives that have supposedly been discovered today are quite primitive - a case of mixing liquids together. hence for the short term they are preventing carry on luggage as i guess these types of bombs are ones that cant be fired remotely (well im sure they can but not the ones they've found). but yes... why cant they scan checked luggage...

[nwyman]

Just a reminder. The discussion of what to do about photo equipment if this restriction turns out to be permanent is very relevant but please lets keep politics out of it.

Now what I don't understand is if a bomb can be smugled onboard via carry on luggage then what prevents anybody from getting it onboard through checked luggage?

Why can't security in airports just do the same scans and checks of carry-on bags as they do with checked bags?

my understanding of the current situation is that several people were carrying various seeminly innocuous components that could then be assembled in the washroom or some such. Terrorists must be much more agile than I, because I can barely manage to do what one is supposed to do in those little washrooms. :lol:

And I don't think the chemicals in liquid would scan, would they?
Personally, I've always thought that if a terrorist could do the "wire bomb in the shoe" thing, what is to stop them from putting the bomb in the underwire of a bra? Not that I want anyone to really think much about that, particularly security people.

And I agree with the question about checked luggage vs. carried. It's a sad world.

[Col_M]

what is to stop them from putting the bomb in the underwire of a bra? Not that I want anyone to really think much about that
I'm just thinking about that, makes you want to become airport security doesn't it :lol:

*rubs hands* "i'm sorry luv but i'm gonna have to remove your underwear, don't worry it's all in the name of national security" :p

[Tom W]

Me too. Soaring gas prices and the prospect of a few hours on the road are anytime better than this. It's a sad world we live in.

I have additional incentive - just about anywhere I want to fly requires a transferring flight at a major airport, so I'm looking at about 6 hours to fly where I can drive in 8-9 hours. Plus, I don't need to rent a car.

Gas is up, but it's still much cheaper for me to drive if it's within about 600 miles.

[SuzyView]

I am driving my friend's daughter to Reagan today and she wanted to leave here 3 hours before her flight. It takes about an hour to get to Reagan from my house. I told her I'd pick her up early, put everything she doesn't need to have with her in her check in luggage and don't bring any food. There are plenty of eating places by the gates. She is 21 but can get a little confused in dangerous situations. I am picking her up early and I will probably go through her check in bags myself. Oh, it's worth it if it saves lives. I just loathe airport security. Never had to strip, but the waiting is murder on my back. Should have bought luggage I can sit on. :)

[eenorton]

I am driving my friend's daughter to Reagan today and she wanted to leave here 3 hours before her flight. It takes about an hour to get to Reagan from my house. I told her I'd pick her up early, put everything she doesn't need to have with her in her check in luggage and don't bring any food. There are plenty of eating places by the gates. She is 21 but can get a little confused in dangerous situations. I am picking her up early and I will probably go through her check in bags myself. Oh, it's worth it if it saves lives. I just loathe airport security. Never had to strip, but the waiting is murder on my back. Should have bought luggage I can sit on. :)

Suzie,

You might want to make a call to the airline. The news here in Denver is reccomending that passengers arrive three hours before their flight. (At least Frontier is)

[tlc]

Ok i looked into this myself and Peli's TSA locks are labled as U.S. USE ONLY, maybe something to keep in mind if you're travelling from the US to an international destination, while the TSA won't cut them off the security at your destination may well do just that.

i have used every 'acceptable' form of lock on my luggage and when traveling TO and FROM the UK, they always and i mean ALWAYS cut them off. i no longer waste money on them. plastic zip ties at least keep your stuff closed (until they are cut off) and when they are cut off, at least you know someone (:evil: )has been into your bags.

also, in the darling little note they leave in your bag advising that they have been in your bag, it states that they are supposed to 'reseal' your bag with a plastic zip tie. in the 20 times i have flown to and from the UK, this has yet to be done! :evil:

[slicendice]

If this situation does continue, does anyone know if camera insurance will cover your gear if it's been transported in the hold rather than as carry-on luggage? Guess I'd need to contact the insurers direct, but I can't do that just now so thought I'd ask...!

I'm off to San Francisco in a month's time and I'm hoping that by then things will have settled a little....but if not then I want to make sure my gear is protected as much as possible, both physically and insurance-wise

[cspratt]

Which begs the question. What do we do in the meantime?
According to the local airport here in Victoria (B. C., Canada) laptops, ipods and other electrical or battery operated items including car key fobs are banned in hand luggage. Wristwatches?

[Nezmo]

Extracted from aa.com:

Travel Policy For UK Carry-On Bagggage
Effective immediately all cabin baggage must be processed as checked baggage and carried in the hold of all passenger aircraft departing from or connecting through airports in the United Kingdom (UK). This policy also applies to any aircraft departing the United States traveling to the UK.

Emphasis mine.

I do hope this is relaxed soon. I'm off to the UK with tons of gear Sept 1. I have Pelican's but don't want to see it go in the hold regardless.

[CarloTT]

Well,

I'm travelling out to Las Vegas first thing Saturday morning and made a quick trip down to the local Maplins who are doing a 16x12x7 inch padded flight case for £19.99.
No way I'm going to miss out on shots of Nevada and Grand Canyon for this. With regard locks, I'll lock on the way out and leave open on the way back, but it does look like US restrictions are no way as strict as the ones for UK flying out.

But the thought of 10 hours with no books/mags/ipod/noise cancellers is p***ing me off.

;-(

[cspratt]

Any suggegstions as to what model model of Pelican case to get. I took a Canon 10D, Canon Powershot S2 and 100-400 as my main lens in my carry on when I went to the UK and Cyprus in May. I sweated blood when the security girl in Vancouver hefted the 100-400 out and dropped it with a thud on the table. She was more interested in the Imodium I had in my shirt pocket as a single aluminum wrap for six tablets sent the metal detector off.

[chris.bailey]

I'm flying out to Mauritius next week and have just ordered a Storm iM2500 as it does appear as though the carry on restrictions are going to last a while.

[stupot]

Any suggegstions as to what model model of Pelican case to get. I took a Canon 10D, Canon Powershot S2 and 100-400 as my main lens in my carry on when I went to the UK and Cyprus in May. I sweated blood when the security girl in Vancouver hefted the 100-400 out and dropped it with a thud on the table. She was more interested in the Imodium I had in my shirt pocket as a single aluminum wrap for six tablets sent the metal detector off.

my pelican 1450 fits a 350d (with grip attached if you squeeze it in:)), a 70-200 f4, a 430ex and a sigma 30ex. i also have a small compartment i cut out the foam for memory cards, shutter release etc.

[Mathiau]

wow, i can see ALOT of lawsuits coming out to airlines for bad handling and damaged items, especially for the way i have seen luggage guys tossing my bags into the plane when loading.

i think this is ridiculous and i hope it does not spread to North America, alot of people will protest and fight it.

Or will this be a way for them to con you into buying insurance....

[Nezmo]

I hate to generalize but it does seem that just about everytime I see baggage handlers on the tarmac, they seem to make it a challenge to see how far they can throw baggage. I'm sure Pelican cases would just light curiosity as to how industructible they really are - or, if I can't bust the case, maybe I can shatter the contents. I'm guessing they are under time pressures but it does seem excessive.

[SoaringUSAEagle]

hopefully by the time you leave this whole thing will have blown over.. you know what we're like as a country, we have a bit of a panic then everythings back to normal.

Yeah right... eight weeks is just time enough to get it good with the media.

It's been 5 years since 9-11-01 and we still hear about it.

This threat level is pretty big too and I am thankful they caught it this far.

[SoaringUSAEagle]

Suzie,

You might want to make a call to the airline. The news here in Denver is reccomending that passengers arrive three hours before their flight. (At least Frontier is)

Yep I heard the same thing.

[SuzyView]

Oh my gosh! I have seen baggage handlers throw my "fragile" luggage onto the belt like it's a piece of meat! :( Putting my expensive electronic stuff inside my check in would make me drive all the way to Europe (from VA that's something). ;) But in truth, it is for security and I never lock my luggage anymore. No more locks for me. I am taking my friend's daughter at 2:30 now, not 3:30. The roads are slippery after 3 weeks of no rain here in DC. I hope I make it there on time for her. I heard that Baltimore the wait is 4 hours through security. That's enough to make me take a snack and eat it on line.

[markyb]

are the airlines going to let you put an extra 5kilos in the hold baggage.
at the moment here in the uk its about £5 per extra kilo.
we are allowed 5 kilos on charter flights.

[Steve Parr]

wow, i can see ALOT of lawsuits coming out to airlines for bad handling and damaged items, especially for the way i have seen luggage guys tossing my bags into the plane when loading.

Lawsuits?

Probably not. How many pieces of luggage are damaged and lost in any given year. If you check your luggage, you're agreeing to a maximum replacement value for it in the case it's lost. If you don't want to agree to it, you don't take it...

i think this is ridiculous and i hope it does not spread to North America, alot of people will protest and fight it.

That's a fabulous idea. I hear that security love it when fights break out :lol:

In all seriousness, can you not like it all you want. Unfortunately, the fact that you don't like it doesn't mean you're going to get on the plane. And, from the looks of airports I've seen over the past year or so, it doesn't look like the airlines are hurting for passengers...

Or will this be a way for them to con you into buying insurance.... for more safetly, my ass.

Insurance doesn't make you safe. It makes someone pay when someone else isn't...

[Nezmo]

are the airlines going to let you put an extra 5kilos in the hold baggage.
at the moment here in the uk its about £5 per extra kilo.
we are allowed 5 kilos on charter flights.


Again, from aa.com:

"For the customers affected by this new policy, we will waive excess baggage fees for customers who arrive at the airport for connections in the UK or who are departing from the UK and must now check their carry-on baggage."

No mention on the BA Website.

[SuzyView]

Politics ASIDE, please.

I find it really difficult to part with my gear, but I think if I was traveling today, I would have to trust that so many people are putting their gear in the holding compartment, my little 20D will be okay. :)

[annab_99]

With the recent UK terror investigation I will no longer be able to carry on my camera equipment with me. Could someone please tell me their experiences with checking equipment in and ways to protect it (packaging, I will take extra insurance).

[Ken Fong]

I thought the latest threat was for fluids and gels...did camera equipment make it onto the list of things not to carry on for international flights? I hope the low ISO films can survive those intense checked bag scans.

[annab_99]

I thought the latest threat was for fluids and gels...did camera equipment make it onto the list of things not to carry on for international flights? I hope the low ISO films can survive those intense checked bag scans.

Yes you are correct. But if you are flying from UK to another destination you have to check your bagage in...no exceptions. Only wallet, glasses and medication is allower in a see through bag.

I'm quite frazzled by this as I'm flying next friday!

[Ken Fong]

Wow! It will probably be like this until they come up with a plan. Are you transporting film? If your gear is expensive, equipment insurance is a good option indeed.
I typically would put all my bulky stuff in a long duffle bag (light stands and tripods - bundled together, and even flash lights because they have protective packaging already.), then I would use adjustable straps to secure the outside of the duffle (to prevent the inner contents from shifting around).
For more delicate equipment, I would probably use a wheeled Lowepro bag. If your equipment is custom, some sort of Pelican case.

[Doom1701e]

I would have to wait for another flight or restrictions to be lifted, I dont trust the airlines will my gear, period. My Lowepro Photo Trekker has everything in my sig in it (except for the bodies, I only carry the 5D in that bag) and heaven forbid that bag was lost or damaged.

[Big WIll]

Im flying today back to the UK and im allowed hand luggage! Thankfully otherwise i would be stuck with Camera and bits in the hold and that would not be fun!

I thought this ban was only for a while! Not full stop!

[ninab]

urks. That sucks! I hauled all my gear as a carry-on to Europe last fall. I have a Porter Case, I can highly recommend it, it even converts to a cart I was able to stack my other two huge heavy bags on and didn't need an airport cart. These cases should be sturdy enough even for checking. Maybe call the company and see what they have to say about it: http://www.portercase.com/
There's also Storm Cases, I've heard good things about them.
It's an extra expense, but probably well worth it (I love my Portercase, the cart function was extremely handy, esp. since I was travelling with a child in a stroller by myself. It'll serve me well for some time to come!)

Good luck, I hope they change things back, I've never checked a camera...

[Mark_Cohran]

If it were an option, I think I simply wouldn't fly. I've had too many things stolen from my checked baggage to trust checking something expensive like my cameras. If that's not an option, invest in a Pelican or Halliburton equipment case. Something that can exceptionally pad and protect your equipment. I have a large Halliburton that can hold my major equipment. I has a built in combo lock, but of course, when flying you have to leave the case unlocked or risk having it pried open for inspection.

Mark

[annab_99]

This is going to prove to be quite a nuisance! I guess extra insurance will be my first step. Then of course I have to check out some cases. This is not fun any more. I may even limit my gear to body and 24-70mm and not bother to take my 70-200mm. But I would really love to take it with me. I just don't want anything stolen.

[waldograce]

I'd go with a Pelican Case

Check out this thread too.
http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showpost.php?p=1831999&postcount=1

Interesting info on TSA locks there which sound like a good option.
One more word... Insurance.

[tlc]

wow, these are the times i wish i owned a camera shop and carried lots and lots of pelican cases and the like............:wink:

[ssim]

I spent 32 years working for an airline before I retired. Those of you who are already blaming the airlines for over reacting, I have new for you. The airlines have virtually no input to the security regulations post 9/11. When was the last time you saw a security check point agent wearing the same uniform as the people from the airline. For those of you that feel that is over reaction. Its not. These threats need to be taken seriously and the British government have done exactly the right thing. Everyone is so concerned about a few thousand dollars of camera equipment that you forget to look at the big picture. I would rather have this reaction than have them tame it down and have a friend, family or loved one be caught in another situation like we have faced before.

If you pack your gear properly in a hard sided case, it will travel just fine as checked baggage. It is true that your baggage is handled rougher than you would by the airline ramp staff. Been there, done that. It is impossible to take a couple hundred pieces of luggage and treat each one as if it were your own. There just isn't the time or the staff. They are slid, dropped into place, sometimes thrown. It happens, get over it.

I have two hard sided normal suitcases that I pack my alot of my gear into. I can take my 600 f4, 500 f4, 300 f2.8, 4 bodies, tripod, falshes a number of smaller lens and a multitude of miscellaneous accessories. This all fits into these two suitcases and a Lowepro rollerboard case which previously went on board with me. I would have no problems checking this either. I know it is packed to withstand alot of bumps. I purposely went to the hardsided suitcase as the Pelican type cases just scream "steal me". You have to realize that airlines take alot of precautions to try and prevent theft but so many people have access to the baggage areas of the airport it is hard to guarantee anything. I have travelled dozens of trips with this setup and never once had a problem. It is time for the passengers to become smarter on how they pack things and take more responsibility.

It is a horrible thing that has occurred and we should be thankful to the British police for finding it now. Rather than complaining about it we should accept this as part of our lives now and work accordingly. Not that we are going to be happy with it but it is here and we face realities everyday. This is just another one of those.

[Mark_Cohran]

You have to realize that airlines take alot of precautions to try and prevent theft but so many people have access to the baggage areas of the airport it is hard to guarantee anything.

Well, if that's true, what keeps anyone from slipping a bomb into the cargo hold? If the airline can't prevent theft due to access to the baggage handling areas, how can they guarantee anything else?

Mark

[Doom1701e]

I think I will have to buy my own plane and fly me and my gear around without carry-on restrictions. Maybe we should all chip in for a POTN Airlines and the slogan can be "POTN Airlines...Where your gear is always carry-on!" :-P :D

[Wilt]

Just a reminder. The discussion of what to do about photo equipment if this restriction turns out to be permanent is very relevant but please lets keep politics out of it.

Now what I don't understand is if a bomb can be smugled onboard via carry on luggage then what prevents anybody from getting it onboard through checked luggage?

Why can't security in airports just do the same scans and checks of carry-on bags as they do with checked bags?

Machines similar to CT scanners in hospitals, can regognize explosives.

[ssim]

Well, if that's true, what keeps anyone from slipping a bomb into the cargo hold? If the airline can't prevent theft due to access to the baggage handling areas, how can they guarantee anything else?

Mark

I don't think that this is really the place to hold this debate. However, I can tell you that all persons that have access do have to submit to a full security review. Anyone with any sort of shady past are denied access and therefore employment at the airline or the handling company that alot of airlines subcontract services to.

Times change and, in my opinion, this is another crucial point in time. I think that we all are going to have to face more stringent regulations going forward. It may be an over-reaction in many peoples opinions and in many cases it will be. Those of us that want to travel with our gear are going to have to learn to adapt. Either that or we just don't fly. There is always a choice.

I'm sure there is alot of business persons today that are just as ticked not having their laptops on board the flights to do some work.

[steved110]

You all should know that hold luggage is Xrayed properly, not the little tickle that the hand luggage scanners use. also sniffer dogs run up and down the baggage train, looking not just for drugs but also explosives. Anything suspicious gets opened and checked properly - and this is often where thefts occur - at Gatwick ariport recently a ring was broken where baggage handlers were using the Hold Luggage Xrays to find luggage with valuable items - so you need insurance!

El Al also runs hold luggage thru a pressure chamber to simulate take off, climb to altitude and descent for landing, in case a pressure bomb is smuggled into the hold. and I think passengers then have to ID their baggage on the tarmac before it is loaded.

All this is a small price to pay for security, and I for one am not going to complain. I know my camera will be safe inside the lowepro bag, inside my Samsonite case, wedged in place by a week's worth of clothing. and if my luggage disappears, or the camera gets broken, it's insured. I'll get new for old, and that now means a 30D

[Wilt]

Well, if that's true, what keeps anyone from slipping a bomb into the cargo hold? If the airline can't prevent theft due to access to the baggage handling areas, how can they guarantee anything else?

Mark

Checked baggage undergoes scrutiny in machines much more powerful than the simplistic magnetic detectors and low energy Xray machines that we submit ourselves and our carry-on luggage to. That is why they advise to NEVER put film into checked bags.

...Which raises an interesting question: How are film photographers supposed to get their photos back home? Can't carry it on, and you have fogged film because of the CT scanners that checked bags go through! (Yet another reason why film will die its slow death a bit faster!)

[ssim]

This a paragraph from a post that I made in Talk About Photography on this subject earlier today.

I have two hard sided normal suitcases that I pack my alot of my gear into. I can take my 600 f4, 500 f4, 300 f2.8, 4 bodies, tripod, falshes a number of smaller lens and a multitude of miscellaneous accessories. This all fits into these two suitcases and a Lowepro rollerboard case which previously went on board with me. I would have no problems checking this either. I know it is packed to withstand alot of bumps. I purposely went to the hardsided suitcase as the Pelican type cases just scream "steal me". You have to realize that airlines take alot of precautions to try and prevent theft but so many people have access to the baggage areas of the airport it is hard to guarantee anything. I have travelled dozens of trips with this setup and never once had a problem. It is time for the passengers to become smarter on how they pack things and take more responsibility.
The other thing is make sure to review your home owner's insurance to see if you need to take out additional insurance when travelling and checking your gear as baggage. I carry an additional rider on my policy that covers my gear for replacement value.

[Anthony Miller]

Pardon my ignorance but how does this affect memory cards. The other thread mentioned a more thorough x-ray scanner, will this cause any damage to the cards? Thanks in advance.

[annab_99]

Pardon my ignorance but how does this affect memory cards. The other thread mentioned a more thorough x-ray scanner, will this cause any damage to the cards? Thanks in advance.

Don't worry about memory cards. I have personally tested them on a much stronger x-ray equipment than found at airports (even their "stronger" brand) and they work just fine. Even the pictures are ok. So you're ok.

[Anthony Miller]

Don't worry about memory cards. I have personally tested them on a much stronger x-ray equipment than found at airports (even their "stronger" brand) and they work just fine. Even the pictures are ok. So you're ok.

Excellent, thanks for the quick reply.

[waldograce]

X-rays won't effect memory cards... not so sure about some metal detectors though.

[ichta]

If you pack your gear properly in a hard sided case, it will travel just fine as checked baggage.
I have two hard sided normal suitcases that I pack my alot of my gear into. I can take my 600 f4, 500 f4, 300 f2.8, 4 bodies, tripod, falshes a number of smaller lens and a multitude of miscellaneous accessories.
This is great info. Thanks for that.

For those of us who are planning on traveling with a minimal kit (for example, a Rebel XT body + 1 small lens), would you say that having a hard-sided case is absolutely essential? The body and lens, wrapped separately, would take up very little room and can therefore be surrounded by a lot of padding (ie camera bag padding + clothing).

[SuzyView]

Left at 2:00, got to Reagan at 3:00, got home before 4:00. WOW. Just got the call from my friend. Her daughter got through security in 35 minutes and is eating an early dinner by her gate before boarding the plane at 6:30. So, it's all good. The only carry-on she had was a little purse and a book. She's a good girl. :)

[KennyG]

I have always hired what I need on my trips to the US to save hauling around heavy gear with the potential for damage or theft. It has worked for me, but there again, mine was for work not pleasure.

I made trips to NY not long after 9/11 and the only thing that wasn't scrutinized was my underwear. When they re-opened the trips to the Statue of Liberty the checks there were even worse than the airlines. You just have to accept that it is how it will be for a lot of years to come.

If anyone uses Pelican cases, have your name stenciled on both sides to make it easier to spot on the baggage carousel. I know a few PJ's who have done it and tell me it does help.

[eenorton]

I think I will have to buy my own plane and fly me and my gear around without carry-on restrictions. Maybe we should all chip in for a POTN Airlines and the slogan can be "POTN Airlines...Where your gear is always carry-on!" :-P :D

Or PITA. Photography-in-the-Air! No wait. That doesn't look quite right. :)

[eenorton]

Left at 2:00, got to Reagan at 3:00, got home before 4:00. WOW. Just got the call from my friend. Her daughter got through security in 35 minutes and is eating an early dinner by her gate before boarding the plane at 6:30. So, it's all good. The only carry-on she had was a little purse and a book. She's a good girl. :)

Ah, good. That wasn't too painful afterall. :)

[theflyingkiwi]

I was just reading one of New Zealands online news papers and in light of the current events in london regarding a terrost attempt, it listed the new restrictions regarding what we can take on board a plane


BAGGAGE RESTRICTIONS

Passengers on flights from UK are allowed only the following items, to be carried in a plastic carrier bag. Passengers flying into the UK have also been advised to re-pack in NZ if they then have connecting flights.

* pocket size wallets and purses
* essential travel documents and passports
* prescription medicines, except in liquid form unless verified as authentic
* spectacles and sunglasses, without cases
* contact lens holders, without bottles of solution
* baby food, milk. Contents of each bottle must be tasted by the accompanying passenger. Nappies, wipes, creams and nappy disposal bags
* female sanitary items
* tissues and/or handkerchiefs
* keys, but no electrical key fobs

Source: UK Government


http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/story.cfm?c_id=1&ObjectID=10395667

so this means that we are no longer be able to take our cameras onboard a plane when flying in to the UK. I wonder when other counties are going to do the same.

[crn3371]

I heard that it was only the UK that was stopping carry on luggage, and that was for outgoing only. Here in L.A. they are only banning liquids or gels from carry on. I'm sure that once this all gets sorted out that things will settle down. I couldn't imagine having to check my gear.

[Transonic]

Great. :rolleyes: I literally went to the store yesterday and bought miniature sized everything. Shaving lotion, toothpaste, shampoo, are all on the banned list now because they're liquid. I'll be traveling to and from the UK twice in the next 2 months both with my camera gear.

Question. If I check my bag and put one of those TSA locks on it, you think that'll be safe? ...or at least safer than no lock? I didn't plan on checking a bag beforehand but now I'll be forced to apparently.

[tiziano]

Almost every time I sent, by choice or by mistake, something valuable in the hold, I din't find it any more once arrived.
Last time was last week: I was travelling with my brother from Croatia to Italy: my brother's cell phone, sent in the hold because out of juice, disapperead.
No way I'm sending my stuff in the hold.

[Wazza]

That's unfortunate for all the ones affected by this terror plot.

I always take my camera on board, and would take photos of the wing etc, during flight. Kills some time also. My next trip is to Fiji in December, but doubt it will become worldwide policies just yet.

[Punky]

be careful.. my bf was supposed to fly to ohio today from cali to visit me.. well they tryed to take his canon point and shoot.. just cause it was electrical.. causing him to miss his flight with all the security checks and hassels..

[theflyingkiwi]

The article does say from the UK. However I am sure that UK government might make sure that all flights coming to the UK following the same restrictions.

Last year a number of Austrians got busted for taking in drugs in to Bali, at the time people was getting there bags shrink rapped. Using this as a way of knowing if the bags had been opened without the owners consent

[annab_99]

Anyone know what the policies are in Uk as far as locking your Pelican cases?

[nwyman]

what is an electrical key fob? Is that the thing that has the push-button door opener. panic button, etc.?

[theflyingkiwi]

what is an electrical key fob? Is that the thing that has the push-button door opener. panic button, etc.?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Key_fob

[Wilt]

I was just reading one of New Zealands online news papers and in light of the current events in london regarding a terrost attempt, it listed the new restrictions regarding what we can take on board a plane so this means that we are no longer be able to take our cameras onboard a plane when flying in to the UK. I wonder when other counties are going to do the same.

That 'no electrical key fob' on the list can be problematic! Drive to the airport and park in long term parking, park your car and lock it. Go to the airport with your electronic key in your pocket and check your bags when you check in; but they only let you thru security if you give up your key since you cannot board the place with it...a lot of $$$ to replace that at your local car dealer!

[momentz]

So now everyone will know that peoples valuables are going to be in their luggage... wonderful. Lets hope it blows over before we travel to the UK in October.

[grewal]

I was planning a trip and finally when it is coming near, this airport carry on luggage problems arise with incresed threat.
Will I be allowed to carry a dSLR with me, and if not ,is it safe to check it in as checked baggage. My impression is checked baggage is treated rather roughly, will the equipment break.
I wonder if anyone knows what to do.

[SuzyView]

Have to check all electronics, even car remotes. It's really sad. I can't imagine traveling with my two boys without electronics. Let's just torture our flight crew. And it is safe. I'm sure everyone realizes the difficulties. I'd put everything in a bag and put it in the luggage securely. There's no other choice.

[GeneMan88]

I can't see any reason why you can't bring it aboard as carry-on. I wouldn't check it in... and even if I had a pelican case for my equipment, I'd be all too worried about something disappearing somewhere between security checking it out and the plane, they don't allow you to lock any piece of luggage being checked in. Imagine getting to your destination only to find one of your lenses missing. That would ruin my vacation. These are my thoughts... I'm really not positive about how security is viewing electronic equipment now-a-days.

[kram]

Geneman, looks like you havent turned on news since yesterday :)

Grewal, since its fairly obvious you wont be allowed to take the camera as carry-on, my bet would be to pack it nicely tucked in between all your clothes in a hardcase luggage. I have done that with my older P&S systems and it worked out fine always.

[SuzyView]

As I said before, no electronics at all, including car key remotes. That's how serious they are. If you have a remote for your car, you better put it in your check in. It's not going on the plane with you as carry on or in your pocket.

[GeneMan88]

Geneman, looks like you havent turned on news since yesterday :)

Grewal, since its fairly obvious you wont be allowed to take the camera as carry-on, my bet would be to pack it nicely tucked in between all your clothes in a hardcase luggage. I have done that with my older P&S systems and it worked out fine always.

Actually... the news here in Portland, OR has not mentioned anything about electronics as of yet... But that maybe coming on in the next few hours or so. All they say that we can't bring aboard as carry on so far is anything of liquid... including coffee, hair gel, shampoo, hair mousse, shaving cream... etc. But, you're probably right... it's probably coming soon. The airport security here is "phasing in" what can be brought aboard as carry on. This is gonna be a bummer as I'm going to China/Hong Kong later this year.

[kram]

Geneman, security on flights to HKG/China etc are relatively more relaxed compared to trans-atlantic ones. That said, one never knows the extent to which they will clampdown on any carry on for some time.

I'm going to bet that for a flight 'later this year to HKG/China', you will do fine :)

[DizzyV6P]

The word out in DC area is nothing electronic and nothing liquid or in gel form.

Dizzy

[johnnybfan]

I guess it's kind of strange that my divider set came for my Pelican 1510 this afternoon. After seeing & reading all of the news about this threat I know that it will be a great case for my gear whenever I fly. It will be a major hassle to get through security for quite some time but safety should come first.

[nc5p]

I hope the airlines don't start using those machines the post office is testing. They are so powerful they wipe flash memory! I sure wouldn't want to fly right now but if I had to and needed the camera gear I'd just ship it fedex. It's now a necessity if you use film and might be in the near future for CF cards.

Doug

[Doom1701e]

I hope the airlines don't start using those machines the post office is testing. They are so powerful they wipe flash memory! I sure wouldn't want to fly right now but if I had to and needed the camera gear I'd just ship it fedex. It's now a necessity if you use film and might be in the near future for CF cards.

Doug

I am sure that just as with film you can request a hand inspection, memory cards would be accepted for hand inspection. Lets hope it doesnt come to that though. I was thinking though, if this scanner wipes out flash memory, would ours cameras firmware be safe? :confused:

[ssim]

I hope the airlines don't start using those machines the post office is testing.

Let me stand up for the industry that I retired from for a moment here and clarify something.

The airlines have little bordering on absolutely zero influence on what happens at the securit checkpoints. This is all done by the respective governments who set the regulations and policies.

[shutterghost]

simple answer: no

Anything battery powered is definately a no no if heading to england. Even remotes on keys are being considered check in luggage.

Grab yourself a Pelican case (although it does look military-ish scary) and hope they don't crack it open.

[sando]

Dont think you'll be taking ANYTHING on board for quite a while folks!

[primoz]

Nothing personal Sheldon, but just as I heard yesterday on news unfortunaly it doesn't go all that nice and clear. One of people arrested yesterday is (was would be probably better term) employed at Heathrow and is suppose to have full access all over the airport. I agree everyone do their job as good as possible to avoid such things, but you have to count on that, that those people are not all that stupid either.
I hate to go into politics, but with all this crap going on (Iraq, Afghanistan, Israel and Lebanon etc.), I think there will be more and more chances for people like this guy was. More and more people will choose sides, and it will get much harder to control. And I guess we all know that unfortunately there's no 100% error free security checks :confused:

[Canuck]

This is back in Aug, 04 but I carried my 10D and all my stuff on as carry on on a 777
from London Heathrow to Chicago O'Hare. I've flown with it since to California in Feb, 05 and although the TSA personnel was treating the Sigma 120-300mm F2.8EX a little rough (put it face down on the 105mm part of the lens and thankfully I have a UV filter in front) and I got a fair bit ornery regarding the handling of a $2K lens, it wasn't that big a deal. It was also inspected again in Sacramento, and again I was a little irate that they were not more careful with something that is worth more than their job. You know...well maybe I had better not say that...that kinda borders on a political statement but based on truth and trend analysis of the past. I have my suspicions, though. This is a good time to get insurance on the stuff! I know I am and I am going to put up a fight if I have to check it in...however, it may mean a replacement for an 3 1/2 yr old 10D and stuff. It sure as hell isn't my choice to have that stuff leave my sight.

Where are you going in England? I spent 3 years over there and was awesome.

[primoz]

I'm not so sure. I fly quite lot, but right now I don't remember I would ever see "no locking" sign anywhere in Europe, while it's normal thing in USA. I'm sure I can easily be wrong, since it's way to early for my memory to work right :) And at least until now I never had problems on European flights with locking my checked bags, while I had locks cuted and bags searched once in USA when flying from LA to Dallas. But to be honest, I have no problems with this if this is what it takes to come to destination in one piece and alive :)

[AFcrosshair-1]

i suggest leaving the stuff at home!! , its gonna be hard to get your stuff through security!!

[Killie]

I'm wondering what their policy will be regarding hearing aids, I wear two cos I'm quite deaf, both are battery powered, without them I will find it very difficult to hear anything. Will they expect me to travel without them after all they are electrical items. Phoned my airline toyesterday but they could not say yes or no. Looks like I'm going to be on the phone a lot today again. I've not seen hearing aids mentioned anywhere in the restrictions but would hate to miss a flight cos some insensitive security person says no.

[TH!EN]

dang it im moving to seattle from Canada and have to pack everything with me including my ibook, 5D, lenses and flash, and tripod. what should i do? i dont have a pelican and not looking to purchase one soon either?

[chris.bailey]

Leaving all politics aside (please), if anyone is travelling in the next few weeks and is thinking of ordering a Storm or Peli case in the UK, I would not hang around as Warehouse Express just told me that every other call is ordering one and they have sold more in the last 24 hours than in the last year. I ended up ordering the Storm im2400 as its allowable as carry on, should the current restrictions ever be lifted.

[tommykjensen]

I hate to go into politics, but with all this crap going on (Iraq, Afghanistan, Israel and Lebanon etc.), I think there will be more and more chances for people like this guy was. More and more people will choose sides, and it will get much harder to control. And I guess we all know that unfortunately there's no 100% error free security checks :confused:

If You and everybody else can't leave politics out of this discussion then the thread will be locked.

[neil_r]

I'm not so sure. I fly quite lot, but right now I don't remember I would ever see "no locking" sign anywhere in Europe, while it's normal thing in USA. I'm sure I can easily be wrong, since it's way to early for my memory to work right :) And at least until now I never had problems on European flights with locking my checked bags, while I had locks cuted and bags searched once in USA when flying from LA to Dallas. But to be honest, I have no problems with this if this is what it takes to come to destination in one piece and alive :)

I have spent the last 3 years in airports and the US is the only country I have come across where "no locking" applies

[20DNewbie]

Link (http://tsa-7.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/tsa.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=254&p_created=1155227254&p_sid=MuPriOei&p_lva=&p_sp=cF9zcmNoPSZwX3NvcnRfYnk9JnBfZ3JpZHNvcnQ9JnBfc m93X2NudD0xNiZwX3Byb2RzPSZwX2NhdHM9JnBfcHY9JnBfY3Y 9JnBfcGFnZT0x&p_li=&p_topview=1) to the TSA website about carry-on electronics.

[Apemaster]

As any of you in the UK, and probably in the USA as well now know, the UK is on a state of alert following yesterday's operation and alleged plot. This is worrying, and yet what's concerning me most are the new rules for travelling on planes. These new rules state that all items must be carried in the hold, ie. hand luggage is now limited to medicines, passport etc. Getting to the point, how on earth am I supposed to take my camera on holiday? I'm not complaining at the measures taken, I'm sure they're necessary, but I find it hard to believe that all UK photographers travelling this summer are leaving their cameras at home. I daren't even think about putting my 350D in my suitcase, I've seen how they're handled on route to the plane, and I'm confident something would be in pieces by the time I got my suitcase. So what's the solution? The main point of me going on holiday was to take pictures, now I'm suddenly deprived of my camera. Are these rules going to be in place forever? I can't even find this information...

[deadpass]

I highly doubt these new violations of our rights.....I mean, new safety restrictions will last very long, probably a month. I'm glad I'm not flying anytime soon, this is definately a headache I don't want to have to deal with.

[StewartR]

If you're coming to England I think it's smart to comply with the restrictions on carry-on luggage that are in force here, regardless of what your TSA says. (You'd have to do it on the way out, anyway.) There's a good summary on the BBC web site: Packing advice for UK passengers (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4778615.stm).

[Sp00ks]

I travel for work from time to time and carry my camera with me everytime. I have had one problem with my memory card in all those trips. Sandisk will tell you that an xray WILL effect your memory card. I usually have my pics backed up in two places before I board a plane, just in case.

More unsettling for me is having to check my work laptop. I should not let that thing out of my site, it contains sensitive data. I wonder what the company response will be for the checking your laptop. I will have to buy insurance for my equipment, will that be reimbursed?

[20DNewbie]

Wow, I can't imagine flying on vacation and not being allowed to bring anything onboard. I'd go nuts having to sit there that long without my iPod at least.

[gpocock]

Hello

Looks like we will not be able to take cameras as hand luggage flying out of the UK following the recent security alert.

Any good suggestions as to how to pack a camera in a rucksack so that it survives airport baggage handlers.

I have a 350D and 17-85 in a lowepro padded bag.

Best Wishes

Geoffrey Pocock

[SkipD]

You will need some hard-sided luggage and plenty of good padding. Soft-sided luggage such as a camera bag will NOT protect your equipment from the baggage handler's antics.

[SuzyView]

I guess one of the airports the terrorists were aiming for was Dulles. That's the airport I go out of mostly. And I am traveling soon. Can't say I don't feel safe, though. But I think passengers are now more aware and watchful. I am. If I see someone doing something weird, I'll watch them, and not too "suttle-like" either.

[steve1975l]

I am off of Sunday and I am going to put it in my camera bag and then wrap the bag with beach towels and put it in a hard luggase case.

I wouldn't take a rucksaack personally though. I would use a hard suitcase. I have visions of a pile of 30kg cases on top of a rucksack. Can you take a hard case?

[SuzyView]

Stores like Kohl's and Target have some hardshell luggages for about $100-$200 if you can't get a good one built for photography. I know my largest luggage if packed very tightly can support my NOVA 5 with all my gear in it. My gear in the Velocity 9 will not survive in a softsided luggage. It's not tight enough. If you don't have funds to get a new bag, take your tightest fitting camera bag and really put in handtowels, socks, etc. around your gear. Then stuff around the camera bag. I think that's all we can do.

[Apemaster]

Ah, sorry, repeating everything thats just been said... my post got moved, and I didn't see this thread... oops.
Anyway, those Pelican cases are pretty pricey, its a little irritating to have to fork out the extra, but it'll probably be worth it. I'm going to see whats the smallest I can fit my 350D and 70-200 f/4 in... Can't really afford to buy much bigger than I need, despite having my eye on a few other lenses...

[SuzyView]

This is the last message from Dulles Security. I think electronics is now allowed.

http://www.metwashairports.com/Dulles/

[SuzyView]

I put this in another thread, but this is the link to Dulles about restrictions.

http://www.metwashairports.com/Dulles/

[Lightstream]

There is such a thing called 'too much security'.. but it's off topic and I'm angry about it so I probably shouldn't say too much about it.

I once packed my 350D and 17-85 in a Lowepro Rezo 140, then threw it in an unpadded daypack which I checked in as I had too much gear on me. The camera and lens came through just fine.

I actually had a slightly better idea I wanted to share.. if I was doing it again, I'd probably use my Computrekker AW, wrap a thick towel around it, and put it in a hard shell case. That means I can use any hard shell.

[steved110]

I'm flying to France on Monday morning, and what I'm planning to do is put the kit I'm taking - 20D, 17-40 and 70-200 f/4 and flash - into my slingshot 200, and put that in my hard-shell Samsonite, well padded out with clothes and towels. I don't think anything will get damaged.

I'm just glad I wasn't flying yesterday - I would not have been able to travel if I hadn't had time to plan for this.

[SuzyView]

If you read the press releases from the airports you are flying out of and the one you are landing, they may let you put electronics in a carry on.

[StewartR]

But remember, the OP is flying to England. Most of the security advice on the Dulles, TSA and other US web sites will be targetted at the huge US internal airline market, not travellers to the UK.

British Airways isn't allowing any hand baggage on incoming flights from the USA. Other airlines might be doing the same. Even if the OP can take his camera on as carry-on baggage on the way here, as things stand he'll have to pack it in the hold on the way back. And remember the security situation can be very volatile - the rules they're applying can change at zero notice. So I suggest it would be a good idea to work out how to do that - pack it nicely tucked in between all your clothes in a hard suitcase, as kram says - and then do it for both legs of the journey.

[SuzyView]

That is correct. Flying in and out of the UK has special restrictions. I was just correcting my post about the US airports. Some are allowing electronics. UK, since they are on high alert, is going to be more restrictive. US is orange alert level.

[StewartR]

I'm wondering what their policy will be regarding hearing aidsThe list of permitted items on the BA web site includes "prescription medicines and medical items sufficient and essential for the flight". If I were you I would strongly argue that a hearing aid is a "medical item essential for the flight" - I mean, without it you won't be able to hear safety announcements etc.