10MP 370D, - why not?

[DaDane]

I expect to see a 350D replacement in August/September, - but I am quite sure it will not have 10 Megapixels!

Because it will overshadow the 30D, - no! It's pretty much two different segments. The 350D will mostly be sold to people who knows less about photography than the 30D, - so a 370D (or whatever it will be called) with 10 Megapixels but more noise will probably sell better, whereas a 30D with 10 MP but more noise will probably sell less. So I really don't see that as a problem!

BUT the 10D/300D and the 20D/350D have shared a lot of components, - and I think they will continue to do that. Because it makes the 300D/350D look like a bargain, - no not really. But because it makes things somewhat cheaper and easier for Canon.

So my guess is that we will se a quite uninteresting small improvements to the 350D only.

Also I think the 1DS Mk III will not show up until february, - but I am looking very much forward to see what it will include. I guess a new DigicIII. I hope that will give 16 bit/channel, ISO6400 (or higher) etc. but these are all hopes. Time will tell!

[Sprout Crumble]

The 350D replacement will have 10mp in my opinion. Canon will look at the competition rather than their own range for a change as this model is far too important to look poor on paper

[Tom W]

All I can say is that it could be an interesting fall this year. Canon stretched the 1D II and 20D/30D with minor upgrades for the short-term, so that they could do something bigger this fall. IMHO, of course.

[DrPablo]

If Canon is upgrading the 350D, they probably have two choices in terms of marketing:

1) make it better than the D70, including megapixels

and/or

2) make it cheaper than the D50

If Canon had a 6 or 8 megapixel DSLR that took all the EF and EF-S lenses, and sold it for $300 or $350, they'd wipe the D50 off the map. People aren't buying the D50 because of its abundance of features -- they're buying it because it's good enough for 99+% of their needs and it's the cheapest option to meet them.

[zacker]

i heard of a 40D possibly this fall...

ok, i didnt but this sounded fun!

[lakiluno]

perhaps they'll outsource Sony's 10.2Mp CCD in the Nikon D80, D200 and Alpha...


hopefully not :o

[dmstraton]

Ithink a $400-$500 XT (or replacement) with the current sensor and a few goodies would indeed wipe the floor with the D50. Right now, they look high priced even if the XT is a great little camera.

However, Canon has NOTHING in the $1800 range, and their entry into the $1200 range now looks a bit poor with "only" an 8.2MP camera with no built in IS, dust buster or some other compelling technology to make up for it's "lack" of MP.

I think that the 30D is a stop-gap and ultimately short-lived tactic to stay in the game a bit before they do hit the market with something a bit more awe-inspiring...right now Nikon has them cornered big time, from a marketing point of view, and Sony is coming on strong...they have to do something BIG.

Personally, all rumors aside, a 10MP full-frame in the $1800 range with a fuller feature (better AF, the other ergonomic changes in the 30D, plus plus) and perhaps some sort of dust control would be something I would shoot for if I were them. Demonstrable dynamic range improvements to go with their already low noise could really be something to write home about, from a Marketing standpoint. For the $1200 range, a 10MP APS-C with similar but lesser features and/or build...

[Rex914]

Apparently, the so called successor to the 350D/Rebel XT will be called the Digital Rebel XTi. This name sounded odd to me at first, but then there was a Rebel Ti, so it's certainly not a new naming scheme by Canon.

I picked up on this at FM when one reliable source posted just the name up and something about sensor cleaning. I googled the name and lo and behold, there was a Magic Lantern book slated for release next year, and this book was listed on Amazon (http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/search?search-alias=stripbooks&field-keywords=michael%20guncheon) and other book stores. Others are now picking up my observation, so maybe those in the know might come forward with more information now that the name seems to be cracked.

(You have to see the cache since the actual name has since been removed)
http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:3vi8e8asJ38J:www.sterlingpub.com/book/CategoryDisplay.asp%3FSectionKey%3D2741641+rebel+x ti&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=3

[fi20100]

LOL, seems like someone messed up :)

-Fi20100

[Permagrin]

http://www.shopireland.ie/books/search/Michael+Guncheon/AuthorSearch/books_uk/

Another place the new "magic lantern guide" for the rebel xti is listed...hmmmm

[D113]

that'll get pulled real quick if it's true! nice find

D

[Mgdh]

http://www.shopireland.ie/books/search/Michael+Guncheon/AuthorSearch/books_uk/

Another place the new "magic lantern guide" for the rebel xti is listed...hmmmm

Hmm - Think you'll find that one is the film rebel, not the digital rebel :(

[Lightstream]

With a release date of Feb 2007? Hmm.. sounds like a new Digital Rebel to me :)

[Rex914]

Hmm - Think you'll find that one is the film rebel, not the digital rebel :(

Actually not.

1) The film Rebel was called the Rebel Ti, not Rebel XTi.
2) The description for the book mentions successor to the Rebel XT.
3) Publication date is Feb 2007.

[lakiluno]

Ithink a $400-$500 XT (or replacement) with the current sensor and a few goodies would indeed wipe the floor with the D50. Right now, they look high priced even if the XT is a great little camera.

However, Canon has NOTHING in the $1800 range, and their entry into the $1200 range now looks a bit poor with "only" an 8.2MP camera with no built in IS, dust buster or some other compelling technology to make up for it's "lack" of MP.

I think that the 30D is a stop-gap and ultimately short-lived tactic to stay in the game a bit before they do hit the market with something a bit more awe-inspiring...right now Nikon has them cornered big time, from a marketing point of view, and Sony is coming on strong...they have to do something BIG.

Personally, all rumors aside, a 10MP full-frame in the $1800 range with a fuller feature (better AF, the other ergonomic changes in the 30D, plus plus) and perhaps some sort of dust control would be something I would shoot for if I were them. Demonstrable dynamic range improvements to go with their already low noise could really be something to write home about, from a Marketing standpoint. For the $1200 range, a 10MP APS-C with similar but lesser features and/or build...

why on earth would it be full frame. Nobody else does full frame. They can make EF-S lenses cheaper than full-frame lenses. Full frame doesn't make sense for a consumer, or even pro-sumer camera.

[dmstraton]

why on earth would it be full frame. Nobody else does full frame. They can make EF-S lenses cheaper than full-frame lenses. Full frame doesn't make sense for a consumer, or even pro-sumer camera.

Yeah, that's the point: no one else does full-frame...it's a point of differentiation...Canon's core competence is sensor technology, low noise CMOS and the ONLY manufacturer with full-frame...Marketing 101 says leverage your strength.

I don't agree on the lenses. If EF-S lenses are so much cheaper to make then I am surprised there is now a 17-55 2.8 IS EF-S lens for sale at over $1000, and the 10-22 which is not exactly inexpensive either.

The D200 is $1800 and Canon has nothing there to compete...NOTHING, particularly with a comparable feature set...so either they match them at 10MP APS with a lot of build and feature upgrades, or they up the ante to something that Noink can't match on, and they can do full-frame so it might be nice. Particularly for the DOF difference. I'd bite and so would others on the forum I'd guess. It could be dust removal or dynamic range or whatever, instead of full-frame...but it has to be COMPELLING. They can't just match the specs.

My impression is that the D200 is coming off as a professional more than a consumer body anyway, at least as a second body to a D2x or something...once you are at that price point, and resolution, expensive lenses are expected to a degree...so EF-S being less expensive doesn't wash IMO...either way, most will want the best you can afford.

Anyway, pure conjecture on my part...and you may be right. But you have to admit they need something more compelling than the 30D and they need something between it the 5D, and if I were in charge I wouldn't want to wait until 2/07 to announce it.

We're probably all equally right and wrong...see you here on 8/24

[Sprout Crumble]

Problem is that FF isn't compelling to the vast majority of the market. In fact, given the ever increasing range of APS-C lenses from Canon, Nikon and Sigma that don't fit a FF camera, it could be argued that to most punters its a negative, especially when APS-C cameras are prevalent and capable of stunning results.
Canon hoping to force FF on the market is like sticking your finger in the bathplug to stop the water draining away when the bath itself is full of holes. FF will remain a niche and because of that will continue to carry a large price premium. Hopefully Canon will understand that enough to give the crop crowd the camera they want; a mini-1D.

[DrPablo]

Problem is that FF isn't compelling to the vast majority of the market.

Agree 100% -- not only is it not compelling, but I'd bet that the vast majority of the market doesn't even know what full frame means, let alone why one might argue that it's better.

Let's phrase the question this way: what feature other than the sensor is it that makes the 5D so expensive? Aside from the sensor size the 5D is a lot more like a 30D than it is like a 1-series. So the sensor is expensive!

Furthermore, a full frame camera really has to be at least 12 megapixels -- lower than 12 MP on a full frame sensor would be by far the lowest pixel density on the market, and that's not a good thing.

So how inexpensive do you think Canon can make a 12 MP full frame camera? If a full frame camera is more expensive than the most similar product from competitors, there had better be a pretty tangible reason why the extra cash is worth it.

[marka123]

Howdy,

FF will remain a niche and because of that will continue to carry a large price premium. Hopefully Canon will understand that enough to give the crop crowd the camera they want; a mini-1D.

Yep, I agree... I currently own a 350D and will buy the 30D successor (presuming there is one!) next year. I've got no compelling reason to move to full frame and plenty of reasons not to (cheaper / smaller & lighter glass being primary, but also liking my current range with a 1.6 crop and 100-300 for motorsports).

If canon drops the crop sensor out of their Prosumer / cheapro lines, I'm not going to be particularly happy...

Now a 1D style camera with an EF-S mount... :-) Yeah!

Mark

[Kickstart]

Hi

Personal feeling is that the D200 caught Canon on the hop slightly, and the 30D is a stop gap (like the D60) while they develop a proper answer. As such I suspect the 30D will be replaced early next year when it is a year old.

Suspect a new pro dSLR is coming and probably a really cheap basic sSLR. 350D replacement is probably likely as it will be 18 months old (seems to be the typical production life of a Canon consumer / prosumer dSLR body), but not sure what they will be prepared to do without badly hitting the sales of the 30D.

All the best

Keith

[dmstraton]

Yeah, all make good points...in fact I don't totally disagree just playing along. However, on pixel density, 10MP over a larger sensor is still 10MP albeit with larger pixels. The difference is mitigated by the lens difference and framing differences, for example using a 16mm lens on the FF and a 10mm on APS will take pretty much the same photograph. But its still 10Mp, no matter what the density...just maybe an ultra-clean and extra beautiful 10MP at FF ;)

I am not advocating they push full-frame down into the 30D price range...in fact, not necessarily advocating full-frame. Just pointing out that right now they are totally outflanked: no answer for a D200, no answer for the D80, and others coming out with some very interesting features...no matter what the size of the sensor I still think sensor technology is their trump card.

Oh whoever said a mini-1Ds think pretty much won the argument on what we all want...so I'll stop typing/blabbing...

[05Xrunner]

Wonder if maybe they will get rid of the small size and make it the same size and setup as the 20D/30D with the Screen on top and the knob on the left

[Abdee]

I hope for even smaller and totally quiet DSLR :)

[lakiluno]

I want a mini-1D with 1.6 - the picture I saw of a mockup is so...cute!!!!!!!!

[Lord_Malone]

I expect to see a 350D replacement in August/September, - but I am quite sure it will not have 10 Megapixels! Because it will overshadow the 30D,

Well, the 5D was introduced at a lower price point than the 1D Mark II N, which has 8.2mp as opposed to the 12.8mp 5D. But then again, the two cameras are two different animals. The DR/DRXT and 10/20/30D are more closely related in that respect.

[cdifoto]

Just pointing out that right now they are totally outflanked: no answer for a D200, no answer for the D80, and others coming out with some very interesting features...no matter what the size of the sensor I still think sensor technology is their trump card.

I don't 100% agree with this. IMHO, the D200 and D80 are just Nikon playing catch-up after slagging with the D100/D50/D70 for so long. Canon's not cornered, nor are they scared. They're kicking butt in the view of those who know what image quality really is...and the ergonomics and feature sets are pretty darn good too. The only exception being the XT, which IMHO is lacking in the ergonomics category.

They'll update their products as usual but they don't need to knock anything out of the park as desperately as you make it sound.

[Tom W]

OK, hot off the rumour mill presses, the Rebel XTi:

http://article.xitek.com/showarticle.php?id=4229

I do not vouch for the validity of the web site - just reporting what I see. :)

[Micleg]

The LCD looks rather photoshopped I would say. Why does it take up so much space and has such a wide frame around it? 1.5 " size?

[Michaelmjc]

The LCD looks rather photoshopped I would say. Why does it take up so much space and has such a wide frame around it? 1.5 " size?

If that is a real photo (highly doubt it) but if it is, that does look very strange. The actual screen doesn't look much bigger, just the border around the outside.

I'm glad to see they added that grip on the back, mine has almost worn right through :D

[farrukh]

I like the black shutter button. I always wanted it.

[05Xrunner]

did they up it to 9points as well same as the 20D/30D focus system..thats what that little screen shows...I vote PCHOP

[farrukh]

Looks real to me

[Lord_Malone]

Dammit! Baxter, you know I don't speak Spanish!

[cdifoto]

No status LCD. Definitely fake.

[Mikelangelo]

In all honesty... All I'm hoping for is something to cause them to drop the 30D's price. I'm on the edge of picking up the 30D body for $1200 at B&H... if they're is another price drop or a nice rebate (hopefully as a result of 8/24/06 announcements), I'll get it right then and there to replace my 300D.

At this point I haven't a clue as to what's REALLY coming out. But I am looking forward to hearing it in 2 days!

See ya'll back on the forums in 48 hours!

[rwong2k]

No status LCD. Definitely fake.
From the pix it looks like they're using the main LCD to display the status LCD, looks interesting to me =)

I believe the official announcement from Canon is the 24th?